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Tyranthraxus
10/17/18 3:25:13 PM
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Giant_Aspirin
10/17/18 3:25:58 PM
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i thought he was intentionally not going to release anything prior to the midterms because he didn't wanna be criticized for playing politics?

edit: yup, this is the first sentence of the article

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is expected to issue findings on core aspects of his Russia probe soon after the November midterm elections
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Antifar
10/17/18 3:29:15 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
i thought he was intentionally not going to release anything prior to the midterms because he didn't wanna be criticized for playing politics?

edit: yup, this is the first sentence of the article

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is expected to issue findings on core aspects of his Russia probe soon after the November midterm elections

Man, that is supremely dumb. Withholding information is every bit as political as releasing it.
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Nomadic View
10/17/18 3:29:30 PM
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He must have actually found something if hes releasing it before the election. This will be interesting.
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Giant_Aspirin
10/17/18 3:31:29 PM
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Antifar posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
i thought he was intentionally not going to release anything prior to the midterms because he didn't wanna be criticized for playing politics?

edit: yup, this is the first sentence of the article

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is expected to issue findings on core aspects of his Russia probe soon after the November midterm elections

Man, that is supremely dumb. Withholding information is every bit as political as releasing it.


Trump has already accused Mueller of being political and thus, not objective. If Mueller released a shitstorm right before the midterms it would only give more weight to Trump's claim, no matter how ridiculous it is.
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DarkTransient
10/17/18 3:31:48 PM
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I'd be willing to bet - if he releases before the midterms, it'll be that he found something (and not the "if you squint really hard" or "Trump's uncle's brother's cat's sister's dog did this..." type of found something). If he waits until after, it'll be that he found nothing.
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Funbazooka
10/17/18 3:33:05 PM
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Antifar posted...
Withholding information is every bit as political as releasing it.

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King_Hellebuyck
10/17/18 3:33:35 PM
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Antifar posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
i thought he was intentionally not going to release anything prior to the midterms because he didn't wanna be criticized for playing politics?

edit: yup, this is the first sentence of the article

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is expected to issue findings on core aspects of his Russia probe soon after the November midterm elections

Man, that is supremely dumb. Withholding information is every bit as political as releasing it.

Yeah havent we learned anything from Comeys bullshit?
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Tyranthraxus
10/17/18 3:36:16 PM
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He's also being told, by multiple congressmen, and Rosenstein to finish up ASAP.

Mueller seems concerned predominantly with doing a good job and he's estimating that he won't be done until after November.

If he's actually done, he will probably wrap things up faster.

Additionally if he needs to he'll investigate all of 2019 but I doubt that. There's a pretty good chance he's already spoken to / investigated everyone connected to the campaign except for russian nationals. Unless he has some crucial information we don't have, anything left over is basically just plea deals and negotiations for testimony / immunity.
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Antifar
10/17/18 3:36:45 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
Antifar posted...
Withholding information is every bit as political as releasing it.

dWt1Oa9

If you have damning information about a party/president/candidate, consciously withholding it until after an election is a political decision with the effect of benefiting that target.

If you don't have damning information about X, withholding that fact until afterwards is a decision with the effect of harming X, by leaving uncertainty.

You can't be neutral on a moving train.
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Tyranthraxus
10/17/18 3:38:16 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
I'd be willing to bet - if he releases before the midterms, it'll be that he found something (and not the "if you squint really hard" or "Trump's uncle's brother's cat's sister's dog did this..." type of found something). If he waits until after, it'll be that he found nothing.


Anything he releases will be indictments. If he's not indicting anyone, he's going to do the Comey thing where he comes out and says "Technically Hillary Clinton did XYZ but the punishment for that is termination and she already resigned." If he is indicting people, you can expect to see all the bells and whistles that go along with it. It's either going to be huge yes or huge no. There isn't going to be a "if you squint your eyes really hard" level.
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Alpha218
10/17/18 3:40:55 PM
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Antifar posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
i thought he was intentionally not going to release anything prior to the midterms because he didn't wanna be criticized for playing politics?

edit: yup, this is the first sentence of the article

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is expected to issue findings on core aspects of his Russia probe soon after the November midterm elections

Man, that is supremely dumb. Withholding information is every bit as political as releasing it.

He doesnt want to be the next James Comey
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soylentgreen
10/17/18 3:41:43 PM
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news story on the potential of a big story

this sure needs to be taken seriously
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Funbazooka
10/17/18 3:52:34 PM
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Antifar posted...
Funbazooka posted...
Antifar posted...
Withholding information is every bit as political as releasing it.

dWt1Oa9

If you have damning information about a party/president/candidate, consciously withholding it until after an election is a political decision with the effect of benefiting that target.

If you don't have damning information about X, withholding that fact until afterwards is a decision with the effect of harming X, by leaving uncertainty.

You can't be neutral on a moving train.

If it's as every bit as political, politically beneficial to Trump and the Republican party (in turn hurting the Democrats), as you say... then doesn't that mean you're finding fault with Mueller?

Is Mueller a political traitor of sorts in your opinion?
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Antifar
10/17/18 4:37:31 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
If it's as every bit as political, politically beneficial to Trump and the Republican party (in turn hurting the Democrats), as you say... then doesn't that mean you're finding fault with Mueller?

Mueller is not above reproach, especially if this is the logic he's operating under. It is faulty, but reflective of a lot of mainstream thought on things like this, and what is and is not political.
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P4wn4g3
10/17/18 4:39:06 PM
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Antifar posted...
Funbazooka posted...
If it's as every bit as political, politically beneficial to Trump and the Republican party (in turn hurting the Democrats), as you say... then doesn't that mean you're finding fault with Mueller?

Mueller is not above reproach, especially if this is the logic he's operating under. It is faulty.

It's more likely that the FBI and other agents have already taken a lot of heat for election interference and he wants to be sure there is no accusation of that here.
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Antifar
10/17/18 4:40:52 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Antifar posted...
Funbazooka posted...
If it's as every bit as political, politically beneficial to Trump and the Republican party (in turn hurting the Democrats), as you say... then doesn't that mean you're finding fault with Mueller?

Mueller is not above reproach, especially if this is the logic he's operating under. It is faulty.

It's more likely that the FBI and other agents have already taken a lot of heat for election interference and he wants to be sure there is no accusation of that here.

Withholding relevant information constitutes interference, as far as I'm concerned.
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s0nicfan
10/17/18 4:41:20 PM
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Almost literally at the climax of 2 years of "Any Day Now"

Can't wait to see the thrilling conclusion.
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Nomadic View
10/17/18 4:43:26 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Almost literally at the climax of 2 years of "Any Day Now"

Can't wait to see the thrilling conclusion.


My assumption is that there is something there. Why else would he want to get it out right before Election Day?
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Broseph_Stalin
10/17/18 4:44:05 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
He must have actually found something


Sherlock Holmes over here figures the guy with 32 indictments and guilty pleas has found something.
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Antifar
10/17/18 4:45:39 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Almost literally at the climax of 2 years of "Any Day Now"

Can't wait to see the thrilling conclusion.


My assumption is that there is something there. Why else would he want to get it out right before Election Day?

The report, contrary to the topic title, says he doesn't want to get it out before election day.
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known2FAIL
10/17/18 4:45:46 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Almost literally at the climax of 2 years of "Any Day Now"

Can't wait to see the thrilling conclusion.


2 years?
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UnholyMudcrab
10/17/18 4:46:13 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Almost literally at the climax of 2 years of "Any Day Now"

Can't wait to see the thrilling conclusion.

Funny how the only people I see who say "any day now" are the people who are nervously trying to downplay the investigation

And you in particular are incredibly hung up on it.
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s0nicfan
10/17/18 4:46:33 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Almost literally at the climax of 2 years of "Any Day Now"

Can't wait to see the thrilling conclusion.


My assumption is that there is something there. Why else would he want to get it out right before Election Day?


Giant_Aspirin posted...
edit: yup, this is the first sentence of the article

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is expected to issue findings on core aspects of his Russia probe soon after the November midterm elections

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Nomadic View
10/17/18 4:47:39 PM
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Antifar posted...
Nomadic View posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Almost literally at the climax of 2 years of "Any Day Now"

Can't wait to see the thrilling conclusion.


My assumption is that there is something there. Why else would he want to get it out right before Election Day?

The report, contrary to the topic title, says he doesn't want to get it out before election day.


Ah, ok. My bad.

If thats the case then I completely reverse my thoughts on the matter. Mueller aint got shit.
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King_Hellebuyck
10/17/18 4:49:55 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Antifar posted...
Funbazooka posted...
If it's as every bit as political, politically beneficial to Trump and the Republican party (in turn hurting the Democrats), as you say... then doesn't that mean you're finding fault with Mueller?

Mueller is not above reproach, especially if this is the logic he's operating under. It is faulty.

It's more likely that the FBI and other agents have already taken a lot of heat for election interference and he wants to be sure there is no accusation of that here.

Withholding information was part of the heat they received for election interference. Somehow Trump firing Comey managed to put that on the back burner and made too many people ignore that Comey not announcing that Trump was under investigation was just as political as announcing that Clinton was under investigation.
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s0nicfan
10/17/18 4:50:33 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Almost literally at the climax of 2 years of "Any Day Now"

Can't wait to see the thrilling conclusion.

Funny how the only people I see who say "any day now" are the people who are nervously trying to downplay the investigation

And you in particular are incredibly hung up on it.


I use the phrase about once every 3 or 4 months, if that often, primarily to make a mockery of the people who still believe, after all this time, that somehow this is going to lead to some sort of proof that Trump colluded with Russia and terminate his presidency. I wouldn't call that "hung up on it", but whatever.
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Unbreakable
10/17/18 4:54:01 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Trump colluded with Russia

His administration, very likely
s0nicfan posted...
terminate his presidency

No way will this happen. Trump could swear allegiance to Putin on national television and his cult would keep him in power.
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Funbazooka
10/17/18 4:56:46 PM
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Antifar posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
Antifar posted...
Funbazooka posted...
If it's as every bit as political, politically beneficial to Trump and the Republican party (in turn hurting the Democrats), as you say... then doesn't that mean you're finding fault with Mueller?

Mueller is not above reproach, especially if this is the logic he's operating under. It is faulty.

It's more likely that the FBI and other agents have already taken a lot of heat for election interference and he wants to be sure there is no accusation of that here.

Withholding relevant information constitutes interference, as far as I'm concerned.

If Mueller's withholding evidence might that mean he's a co-conspirator?

Big if true!
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Polycosm
10/17/18 4:59:01 PM
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Bobby Three Sticks doesn't leak. This sounds like a Rudy Special. Eventually he's going to luck into being right... or they'll just dismantle the DOJ after the election.
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Antifar
10/17/18 5:01:28 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
If Mueller's withholding evidence might that mean he's a co-conspirator?

I don't think there's any reason to believe he's collaborating with Trump on this. Just making a bad decision of his own accord.
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Unbreakable
10/17/18 5:07:31 PM
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Antifar posted...
Funbazooka posted...
If Mueller's withholding evidence might that mean he's a co-conspirator?

I don't think there's any reason to believe he's collaborating with Trump on this. Just making a bad decision of his own accord.

Comey politicized his investigation and gave Trump 2016, Mueller probably wants to avoid anything similar.
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Anteaterking
10/17/18 5:09:17 PM
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Antifar posted...
I don't think there's any reason to believe he's collaborating with Trump on this. Just making a bad decision of his own accord.


Isn't it in accordance with DOJ policies though?
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Houston
10/17/18 5:09:57 PM
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The first sentence says after the November elections.......
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