Poll of the Day > What would you do in this scenario?

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The set-up: It is 1942 and you are the president of the United States. Up until now, aside from you having become the president of the U.S., history has continued unaltered from its norm. WWII is in full swing and everything else. Things are all as normal.

However, as the war continues, something drastic changes. Aliens invade. They are giant monsterous ants whom seek to enslave and devour humanity and their technology is superior to that of any one nation. They land and immediately set about to enslaving and devouring civilians without regard to Axis, Allies, or neutrality. Despite this there is the occasional victory. The alien ants CAN be beaten, but the cost is very high. So high that you aren't sure if you can afford it.

But, over the wire, a sudden message arrives. The Axis has been hit just as hard and Hitler is willing to talk. He is offering not just a cease-fire but an alliance between the Axis and Allies for the joint purpose of driving off the alien invaders. He promises that, regardless of your decision, he will not engage in offensive maneuvers against the Allies until the Ants have been repelled so long as the Allies respond in kind.

Should you accept the Axis will provide resources, manpower, and so-forth to fight the alien ants. Should you refuse such things will be withheld meaning the Allies will be going it alone (well, with each other).

What do you do? If you refuse you could be condemning America, the Allies, and possibly even the entire world to a future of slavery and becoming snacks. However, the Allies just MIGHT be able to win on their own and, if they could have done so, you will have just allied with history's greatest monster and sold out your beliefs and ideals for potentially nothing.

For the sake of this thought experiment consider that Hitler will remain true to his word, victory isn't guaranteed if you accept/defeat assured if you refuse, you can't sabotage the Axis without being revealed instantly, and should humanity prevail all sides will be too exhausted/depleted to resume WWII.
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I was watching some old Stargate episodes in which this question basically got asked. If it meant gaining an edge over the Goa'uld would you be willing to support someone who is basically alien Hitler? I also vaguely recall some book series with a premise like this. Worldwar or something like that.
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I would develop devices to control the ants and eat Hitler, but make the ants thrust up against him a bunch first in front of all his friends
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Mead posted...

I would develop devices to control the ants and eat Hitler, but make the ants thrust up against him a bunch first in front of all his friends

I'm pretty sure that's impossible.
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Unbridled9 posted...

Mead posted...

I would develop devices to control the ants and eat Hitler, but make the ants thrust up against him a bunch first in front of all his friends

I'm pretty sure that's impossible.

It actually is using advanced fungal tech
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Mead posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

Mead posted...

I would develop devices to control the ants and eat Hitler, but make the ants thrust up against him a bunch first in front of all his friends

I'm pretty sure that's impossible.

It actually is using advanced fungal tech

It's 1942. I'm going to squash this notion right now with a massive 'NO!'
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Unbridled9 posted...

I was watching some old Stargate episodes in which this question basically got asked. If it meant gaining an edge over the Goa'uld would you be willing to support someone who is basically alien Hitler?

Was it the group that wanted heavy water?
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Unbridled9 posted...

If you refuse you could be condemning America, the Allies, and possibly even the entire world to a future of slavery and becoming snacks. However, the Allies just MIGHT be able to win on their own and, if they could have done so, you will have just allied with history's greatest monster and sold out your beliefs and ideals for potentially nothing.

I mean, as it is the Allies won the war largely thanks to allying with Joseph Stalin, who is a pretty solid contender in his own right for the "History's Scummiest Shithead" title, with a body count comparable to Hitler, so this choice is pretty easy...

The Great Wars in general are not great places to talk about "selling out your beliefs and ideals" because, as much as we romanticize them now (especially WW2) as the last "Good Wars", with clear and distinct good guys and bad guys, the simple fact is everyone involved did some incredibly shitty things and the only difference was to what degree.
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Beliefs shmeliefs! Tell Hitler to give us whatever he can so we can send these alien ant bastards back to whatever space hill they crawled out of. WE WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGH- *cough cough* excuse me...

I see no reason to refuse. And cough fox can lead the charge :o
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Is it really much of a choice, though? That said, I'm not sure why the forces couldn't work separately. It's not like a fusion dance or something.
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Not a massive fan of the human race.....but I really don't like ants either (even before the recent tv show where alien ants took over politics etc...which was great btw).

Hitler was insane, and he used fear etc to gain control etc....he would have easily won and taken over the world if he didn't attack Russia, so he was doomed no matter what. Makes sense to team up with him temp, he would have doomed himself anyway eventually.

I honestly believe we need/needed to unify under one government long ago, and there will eventually be severe consequences because we did not. I certainly do not think that should have been done under Hitler, but it should have been done. An alien invasion might have been the catalyst to cause that.......and could in the long run have been a good thing.

I would rather see everyone be of one race through interbreeding (which would eventually happen naturally, but perhaps incentive programs (monetary etc) could have been used to speed up the process. I do think we need to break down the differences and unify together, as a people and under one defined government (hopefully using some form of popular vote regulated by certain rules/structures to ensure we do things that are good for humanity and the planet as a whole).
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Hey isnt this just the plot of Starship Troopers
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Mead posted...

Hey isnt this just the plot of Starship Troopers

Humanity was already united in Starship Troopers.
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Forgot that Neil was in Starship troupers as well, I probably s hould have voted for him actually.
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Foppe posted...

Mead posted...

Hey isnt this just the plot of Starship Troopers

Humanity was already united in Starship Troopers.

Then how come theyre all white in that movie
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Mead posted...

Foppe posted...

Mead posted...

Hey isnt this just the plot of Starship Troopers

Humanity was already united in Starship Troopers.

Then how come theyre all white in that movie

You forgot the black soldier that got so wounded so he did a kamikaze attack with a nuke grenade?
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Foppe posted...

Mead posted...

Foppe posted...

Mead posted...

Hey isnt this just the plot of Starship Troopers

Humanity was already united in Starship Troopers.

Then how come theyre all white in that movie

You forgot the black soldier that got so wounded so he did a kamikaze attack with a nuke grenade?

Who?
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Cpl. Sugar Watkins.
Yeah, he got a name.
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Foppe posted...

Cpl. Sugar Watkins.
Yeah, he got a name.

Who?
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Did you even watch the movie?
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All I see is Casper Van Dien
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Foppe posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

I was watching some old Stargate episodes in which this question basically got asked. If it meant gaining an edge over the Goa'uld would you be willing to support someone who is basically alien Hitler?

Was it the group that wanted heavy water?

Yes. They believed in things like genetic purity as well.

Zeus posted...

Is it really much of a choice, though? That said, I'm not sure why the forces couldn't work separately. It's not like a fusion dance or something.

You can; but you won't have access to the resources and manpower an alliance with the Axis would provide if you don't ally. That's part of the whole point of the question.
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Unbridled9 posted...

should humanity prevail all sides will be too exhausted/depleted to resume WWII.

That seems unlikely. The conflict wouldn't necessarily resume at the same scale, but everyone would still want to work toward their respective interests. That said, by the time the alien conflict was dealt with, it's likely that the Allies would have finished developing the atom bomb (and used it against the aliens), which could single-handedly force an Axis surrender.

_AdjI_ posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

should humanity prevail all sides will be too exhausted/depleted to resume WWII.

That seems unlikely. The conflict wouldn't necessarily resume at the same scale, but everyone would still want to work toward their respective interests. That said, by the time the alien conflict was dealt with, it's likely that the Allies would have finished developing the atom bomb (and used it against the aliens), which could single-handedly force an Axis surrender.

The axis may have developed it as well. The allies might even give the technology to them if things get desperate enough.
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Unbridled9 posted...

Yes. They believed in things like genetic purity as well.

To be fair, the Goa'uld was still a far away threat.
If a Goa'uld mothership had landed in, lets say Africa, constructed a base and started a war against humanity, we might have had a different ending to that episode.
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Are resources and manpower all they're offering? Pretty sure that the Allied Forces have everything we need to build a giant magnifying glass.
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Unbridled9 posted...

I was watching some old Stargate episodes in which this question basically got asked. If it meant gaining an edge over the Goa'uld would you be willing to support someone who is basically alien Hitler? I also vaguely recall some book series with a premise like this. Worldwar or something like that.

Well, if it is the episode I'm thinking of, they didn't know the aliens were Hitler until it was too late and they had rendered 90% of the Earth population sterile, so not really the same scenario.

wolfy42 posted...

I honestly believe we need/needed to unify under one government long ago, and there will eventually be severe consequences because we did not.

There will be terrible consequences if we do. Look at the problems in US and the EU then imagine them a thousand times worse. You're diminishing representation by expanding the total number of participants, leading to worse outcomes for most and a diminished ability to innovate.

wolfy42 posted...

I would rather see everyone be of one race through interbreeding (which would eventually happen naturally, but perhaps incentive programs (monetary etc) could have been used to speed up the process. I do think we need to break down the differences and unify together, as a people and under one defined government (hopefully using some form of popular vote regulated by certain rules/structures to ensure we do things that are good for humanity and the planet as a whole).

That would be a terrible idea because you'd destroy all genetic diversity. Genetic diversity helps keep a population from being destroyed in one fell swoop by a virus, etc.
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DarthShrimp posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

I was watching some old Stargate episodes in which this question basically got asked. If it meant gaining an edge over the Goa'uld would you be willing to support someone who is basically alien Hitler? I also vaguely recall some book series with a premise like this. Worldwar or something like that.

Well, if it is the episode I'm thinking of, they didn't know the aliens were Hitler until it was too late and they had rendered 90% of the Earth population sterile, so not really the same scenario.

No. The one where the guys were constantly getting bombed and needed heavy water. Fighting 'the breeders'.

Edit: Season 4, episode 2. 'The Other Side'.
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Don't trust Hitler. He's an alt.
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Unbridled9 posted...

I was watching some old Stargate episodes in which this question basically got asked. If it meant gaining an edge over the Goa'uld would you be willing to support someone who is basically alien Hitler? I also vaguely recall some book series with a premise like this. Worldwar or something like that.

If I remember this correctly They won with their help and then sterilized the entire earth population for no reason so they traveled back in time to fix never having met them.

Unless that was a different time. They sometimes repeated plot lines. So basically they would have been worse than Hitler if they actually existed.
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