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Questionmarktarius 10/10/18 11:40:43 AM #51:	LordRazziel posted... Questionmarktarius posted... LordRazziel posted... It's a vanish gif... That will also get kids interested in science. And? I'm a bit lost. "Science is boring" (blow something up in class) Science is AWESOME!" <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:910288894] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>It's a vanish gif...</quote> That will also get kids interested in science.</quote> And? I'm a bit lost.</quote> "Science is boring" (blow something up in class) Science is AWESOME!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 10/10/18 11:44:31 AM #52:	Questionmarktarius posted... LordRazziel posted... Questionmarktarius posted... LordRazziel posted... It's a vanish gif... That will also get kids interested in science. And? I'm a bit lost. "Science is boring" (blow something up in class) Science is AWESOME!" Not sure what that has to do with my post. --- https://imgur.com/8pzUM https://imgur.com/Oh1iujg The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:910289083] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>It's a vanish gif...</quote> That will also get kids interested in science.</quote> And? I'm a bit lost.</quote> "Science is boring" (blow something up in class) Science is AWESOME!"</quote> Not sure what that has to do with my post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 10/10/18 11:49:14 AM #53:	Unconscious bias ~~lol~~ Lol <cite>Romes187 posted [p:910289302] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote>Unconscious bias lol Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raikuro 10/10/18 12:04:10 PM #54:	Ok, so girls get actual tailored lessons to help understand the material, while boys get textbook jargon parroted at them? <cite>Raikuro posted [p:910290036] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote>Ok, so girls get actual tailored lessons to help understand the material, while boys get textbook jargon parroted at them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 10/10/18 12:04:46 PM #55:	Balrog0 posted... the only assumption I'm making is that one person being responsible for educating 30 people isn't the same thing as them giving all 30 people the same information in the same way man why am I even responding, fuck this place tbh Well you're literally responding to Madfoot. Also coffeebeanz has decided to just go full on alt right lately, so you aren't going to get any sincere discussion there. --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:910290078] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>the only assumption I'm making is that one person being responsible for educating 30 people isn't the same thing as them giving all 30 people the same information in the same way man why am I even responding, fuck this place tbh</quote> Well you're literally responding to Madfoot. Also coffeebeanz has decided to just go full on alt right lately, so you aren't going to get any sincere discussion there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/10/18 12:06:33 PM #56:	LordRazziel posted... Not sure what that has to do with my post. Something went "poof" in a thread about kids and science. It's just a thread tangent. Don't worry about it. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:910290172] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>Not sure what that has to do with my post.</quote> Something went "poof" in a thread about kids and science. It's just a thread tangent. Don't worry about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 10/10/18 1:03:48 PM #57:	cuttin_in_farm posted... In what way would dumbing something down make them less interested, assuming the premise is true? When I go to the mechanic with a woman, they will tailor the questions to me. If the woman goes solo, the concepts may be dumbed down. I understand how it can happen. But how does that relate to interest? Especially for young children. The opposite would be true, I feel. Lots of potential reasons, of which this study certainly doesn't address. In general, things get much more interesting in science with more detail, at least to most scientists. You'll notice that popular press version of science is very shallow, which is interesting to non scientists, but god awful to scientists. So, if you aren't given the proper depth, the field might not be selected for in the same fashion. But also, the girls do detect the difference, then they might have an implicit in-group out-group association that begins building very early on. None the less, differential treatment in early education of science is an alarming thing. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:910293421] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>cuttin_in_farm posted...</cite> <quote>In what way would dumbing something down make them less interested, assuming the premise is true? When I go to the mechanic with a woman, they will tailor the questions to me. If the woman goes solo, the concepts may be dumbed down. I understand how it can happen. But how does that relate to interest? Especially for young children. The opposite would be true, I feel.</quote> Lots of potential reasons, of which this study certainly doesn't address. In general, things get much more interesting in science with more detail, at least to most scientists. You'll notice that popular press version of science is very shallow, which is interesting to non scientists, but god awful to scientists. So, if you aren't given the proper depth, the field might not be selected for in the same fashion. But also, the girls do detect the difference, then they might have an implicit in-group out-group association that begins building very early on. None the less, differential treatment in early education of science is an alarming thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 10/10/18 1:14:20 PM #58:	Well boys and girls are exactly the same, even biologically. All differences are social constructs...so they ought to be taught the same exact way. V. Alarming they aren't. <cite>Romes187 posted [p:910294052] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote>Well boys and girls are exactly the same, even biologically. All differences are social constructs...so they ought to be taught the same exact way. V. Alarming they aren't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 10/10/18 1:15:18 PM #59:	Holy strawman, Batman. No, you do not deserve an exclamation point. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:910294107] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote>Holy strawman, Batman. No, you do not deserve an exclamation point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 10/10/18 1:16:17 PM #60:	COVxy posted... Holy strawman, Batman. No, you do not deserve an exclamation point. which part of my argument do you disagree with <cite>Romes187 posted [p:910294152] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Holy strawman, Batman. No, you do not deserve an exclamation point.</quote> which part of my argument do you disagree with</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 10/10/18 1:19:31 PM #61:	No one has said anything about them being biologically the same, and that assumption clearly isn't needed for the argumentation. What's needed for your argumentation, though, is a demonstration that teaching them science differently necessarily follows from known biological differences, which isn't there. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:910294313] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote>No one has said anything about them being biologically the same, and that assumption clearly isn't needed for the argumentation. What's needed for your argumentation, though, is a demonstration that teaching them science differently necessarily follows from known biological differences, which isn't there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 10/10/18 2:42:21 PM #62:	COVxy posted... No one has said anything about them being biologically the same, and that assumption clearly isn't needed for the argumentation. What's needed for your argumentation, though, is a demonstration that teaching them science differently necessarily follows from known biological differences, which isn't there. not that it necessarily follows, but that it should follow. "Ought". But only if there are known biological differences. Since there are none, I am arguing they ought to be taught the same as what is good for one biology is good for an equal biology. <cite>Romes187 posted [p:910298997] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>No one has said anything about them being biologically the same, and that assumption clearly isn't needed for the argumentation. What's needed for your argumentation, though, is a demonstration that teaching them science differently necessarily follows from known biological differences, which isn't there.</quote> not that it necessarily follows, but that it should follow. "Ought". But only if there are known biological differences. Since there are none, I am arguing they ought to be taught the same as what is good for one biology is good for an equal biology.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 10/10/18 2:47:53 PM #63:	Should it follow that people with celiac disease be taught science differently? I mean, they are biologically different, are they not? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:910299318] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote>Should it follow that people with celiac disease be taught science differently? I mean, they are biologically different, are they not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 10/10/18 2:47:56 PM #64:	Lmao at CE's hostility to this --- I use Gameraven and you should too. #heavilyburntpotato <cite>teepan95 posted [p:910299322] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote>Lmao at CE's hostility to this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 10/10/18 3:04:29 PM #65:	COVxy posted... Should it follow that people with celiac disease be taught science differently? I mean, they are biologically different, are they not? If the biological difference affects the way you learn then yes. But an equivalent biology would return an equivalent output And if we assume the way boys are taught is better, then it is audacious that we would teach boys and girls differently since biology is equivalent. <cite>Romes187 posted [p:910300267] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Should it follow that people with celiac disease be taught science differently? I mean, they are biologically different, are they not?</quote> If the biological difference affects the way you learn then yes. But an equivalent biology would return an equivalent output And if we assume the way boys are taught is better, then it is audacious that we would teach boys and girls differently since biology is equivalent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 10/10/18 3:34:46 PM #66:	COVxy posted... Should it follow that people with celiac disease be taught science differently? I mean, they are biologically different, are they not? I mean if you really want to go that route, if I had been taught differently as a kid it would have been quite beneficial. Not that I have celiac disease. --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:910302110] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Should it follow that people with celiac disease be taught science differently? I mean, they are biologically different, are they not?</quote> I mean if you really want to go that route, if I had been taught differently as a kid it would have been quite beneficial. Not that I have celiac disease.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 10/10/18 3:39:03 PM #67:	Coffeebeanz posted... Man, if only I knew how to science Sciencing is easy, just fire up the ol' SPSS and use some models and then bam! Science --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:910302354] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>Man, if only I knew how to science</quote> Sciencing is easy, just fire up the ol' SPSS and use some models and then bam! Science</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 10/10/18 4:11:38 PM #68:	The only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down --- I use Gameraven and you should too. #heavilyburntpotato <cite>teepan95 posted [p:910304153] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote>The only difference between screwing around and science is writing it down</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 10/10/18 4:17:22 PM #69:	scar the 1 posted... Coffeebeanz posted... Man, if only I knew how to science Sciencing is easy, just fire up the ol' SPSS and use some models and then bam! Science Lmao. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:910304508] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>Man, if only I knew how to science</quote> Sciencing is easy, just fire up the ol' SPSS and use some models and then bam! Science</quote> Lmao.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YUHH 10/10/18 4:18:05 PM #70:	stupid science bitch couldnt even make i more smarter --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGi9SOFX5rc <cite>YUHH posted [p:910304538] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote>stupid science bitch couldnt even make i more smarter</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 10/10/18 4:25:40 PM #71:	Romes187 posted... COVxy posted... Should it follow that people with celiac disease be taught science differently? I mean, they are biologically different, are they not? If the biological difference affects the way you learn then yes. But an equivalent biology would return an equivalent output And if we assume the way boys are taught is better, then it is audacious that we would teach boys and girls differently since biology is equivalent. I had assumed that you were being facetious with your argument and you were actually arguing the opposite of what you posted (which I still think you are doing, but on the off chance that you are not...). There are certainly biological differences between males and females, there are certainly differences in brain organization and structure. But they don't necessarily imply anything about science aptitude/training. Which is the point I was trying to get at with celiac disease analogy. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:910304931] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>Should it follow that people with celiac disease be taught science differently? I mean, they are biologically different, are they not?</quote> If the biological difference affects the way you learn then yes. But an equivalent biology would return an equivalent output And if we assume the way boys are taught is better, then it is audacious that we would teach boys and girls differently since biology is equivalent.</quote> I had assumed that you were being facetious with your argument and you were actually arguing the opposite of what you posted (which I still think you are doing, but on the off chance that you are not...). There are certainly biological differences between males and females, there are certainly differences in brain organization and structure. But they don't necessarily imply anything about science aptitude/training. Which is the point I was trying to get at with celiac disease analogy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 10/10/18 4:58:05 PM #72:	COVxy posted... But they don't necessarily imply anything about science aptitude/training. Interesting, can you link any studies that you are getting this information from? I'd be interested to read them. <cite>Romes187 posted [p:910306746] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>But they don't necessarily imply anything about science aptitude/training.</quote> Interesting, can you link any studies that you are getting this information from? I'd be interested to read them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 10/10/18 5:38:51 PM #73:	Romes187 posted... COVxy posted... But they don't necessarily imply anything about science aptitude/training. Interesting, can you link any studies that you are getting this information from? I'd be interested to read them. I don't know what you mean. I can provide you links of different interesting biological differences between the sexes, but in terms of them not directly implying anything about science aptitude, it's not referenced because they don't imply it. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:910308853] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>But they don't necessarily imply anything about science aptitude/training.</quote> Interesting, can you link any studies that you are getting this information from? I'd be interested to read them.</quote> I don't know what you mean. I can provide you links of different interesting biological differences between the sexes, but in terms of them not directly implying anything about science aptitude, it's not referenced because they don't imply it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 10/10/18 6:46:54 PM #74:	https://www.businessinsider.com/oxford-university-gives-students-extra-time-to-finish-exams-2018-1/ The University of Oxford has added extra time to maths and computer science exams because female students aren't performing as well as their male counterparts. Students sitting maths and computer science exams last summer were given an extra 15 minutes to complete their papers because "female candidates might be more likely to be adversely affected by time pressure," according to a decision seen by The Daily Telegraph. The number of male students achieving first-class degrees was double that of women before the change was made, the Telegraph reported. As a result, the department changed the goal posts in an attempt to help female students achieve better grades. --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:910312501] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote> https://www.businessinsider.com/oxford-university-gives-students-extra-time-to-finish-exams-2018-1/ The University of Oxford has added extra time to maths and computer science exams because female students aren't performing as well as their male counterparts. Students sitting maths and computer science exams last summer were given an extra 15 minutes to complete their papers because "female candidates might be more likely to be adversely affected by time pressure," according to a decision seen by The Daily Telegraph. The number of male students achieving first-class degrees was double that of women before the change was made, the Telegraph reported. As a result, the department changed the goal posts in an attempt to help female students achieve better grades.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 10/10/18 7:07:15 PM #75:	teepan95 posted... Lmao at CE's hostility to this A large proportion of people on CE are CS and engineering students/grads, where the I would guess reported hostility towards women is much higher than other areas of STEM. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:910313520] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>teepan95 posted...</cite> <quote>Lmao at CE's hostility to this</quote> A large proportion of people on CE are CS and engineering students/grads, where the I would guess reported hostility towards women is much higher than other areas of STEM.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 10/10/18 7:30:49 PM #76:	COVxy posted... In general, things get much more interesting in science with more detail, at least to most scientists. You'll notice that popular press version of science is very shallow, which is interesting to non scientists, but god awful to scientists. So, if you aren't given the proper depth, the field might not be selected for in the same fashion. Im just tryna understand. In layman terms, this SOUNDS like: People interested in science will find more details interesting. People uninterested will find shallow details interesting. Can I get an example of a phrase or phrases a teacher would tell a female student that would dissuade her away from science? You either care about science. Or you dont. That is my view point. How people speak to girls vs boys seems like a false correlation. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:910314757] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote>In general, things get much more interesting in science with more detail, at least to most scientists. You'll notice that popular press version of science is very shallow, which is interesting to non scientists, but god awful to scientists. So, if you aren't given the proper depth, the field might not be selected for in the same fashion. </quote> Im just tryna understand. In layman terms, this SOUNDS like: People interested in science will find more details interesting. People uninterested will find shallow details interesting. Can I get an example of a phrase or phrases a teacher would tell a female student that would dissuade her away from science? You either care about science. Or you dont. That is my view point. How people speak to girls vs boys seems like a false correlation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 10/10/18 7:53:14 PM #77:	cuttin_in_farm posted... You either care about science. Or you dont. I don't buy that at all. I was super interested in science in early middle school, but then stopped being interested in it around 8th grade, until my senior year of high school when I took physics. The main difference is the way that the information was taught. In my other classes, everything was rote memorization and step by step lab instructions. Only when I took the physics course, and the professor had a very different approach "demonstrate evidence for the phenomenon, you figure out how, go!", did I really get turned on to science again. The way a subject matter is taught almost certainly changes students' interest in the topic. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:910316027] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>cuttin_in_farm posted...</cite> <quote>You either care about science. Or you dont.</quote> I don't buy that at all. I was super interested in science in early middle school, but then stopped being interested in it around 8th grade, until my senior year of high school when I took physics. The main difference is the way that the information was taught. In my other classes, everything was rote memorization and step by step lab instructions. Only when I took the physics course, and the professor had a very different approach "demonstrate evidence for the phenomenon, you figure out how, go!", did I really get turned on to science again. The way a subject matter is taught almost certainly changes students' interest in the topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopus 10/10/18 7:54:06 PM #78:	Trump's America --- https://imgur.com/nlaY1qH https://imgur.com/zHJ1OCo https://imgur.com/btBPP4E https://imgur.com/1B3bMHw https://i.imgtc.com/oBtziLb.png <cite>NeonOctopus posted [p:910316090] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote>Trump's America</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrumpTrain 10/10/18 7:55:34 PM #79:	Of course physics has to be censored for girls. The Physics jargons indoctrinates rape culture! Didn't you know? Feminist scholar Sandra Harding already deciphered Newton's Principia Mathematica and it's basically a rape manual! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEdeeIXV0AEIMx4.jpg <cite>TrumpTrain posted [p:910316171] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote>Of course physics has to be censored for girls. The Physics jargons indoctrinates rape culture! Didn't you know? Feminist scholar Sandra Harding already deciphered Newton's Principia Mathematica and it's basically a rape manual! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEdeeIXV0AEIMx4.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 10/10/18 8:02:43 PM #80:	Funbazooka posted... https://www.businessinsider.com/oxford-university-gives-students-extra-time-to-finish-exams-2018-1/ The University of Oxford has added extra time to maths and computer science exams because female students aren't performing as well as their male counterparts. Students sitting maths and computer science exams last summer were given an extra 15 minutes to complete their papers because "female candidates might be more likely to be adversely affected by time pressure," according to a decision seen by The Daily Telegraph. The number of male students achieving first-class degrees was double that of women before the change was made, the Telegraph reported. As a result, the department changed the goal posts in an attempt to help female students achieve better grades. sigh OK well that's blatantly sexist. --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:910316560] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.businessinsider.com/oxford-university-gives-students-extra-time-to-finish-exams-2018-1/ The University of Oxford has added extra time to maths and computer science exams because female students aren't performing as well as their male counterparts. Students sitting maths and computer science exams last summer were given an extra 15 minutes to complete their papers because "female candidates might be more likely to be adversely affected by time pressure," according to a decision seen by The Daily Telegraph. The number of male students achieving first-class degrees was double that of women before the change was made, the Telegraph reported. As a result, the department changed the goal posts in an attempt to help female students achieve better grades.</quote> sigh OK well that's blatantly sexist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 10/10/18 8:06:58 PM #81:	TrumpTrain posted... Of course physics has to be censored for girls. The Physics jargons indoctrinates rape culture! Didn't you know? Feminist scholar Sandra Harding already deciphered Newton's Principia Mathematica and it's basically a rape manual! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEdeeIXV0AEIMx4.jpg wut --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:910316762] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrumpTrain posted...</cite> <quote>Of course physics has to be censored for girls. The Physics jargons indoctrinates rape culture! Didn't you know? Feminist scholar Sandra Harding already deciphered Newton's Principia Mathematica and it's basically a rape manual! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEdeeIXV0AEIMx4.jpg</quote> wut</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kazi1212 10/10/18 8:19:19 PM #82:	P4wn4g3 posted... Funbazooka posted... https://www.businessinsider.com/oxford-university-gives-students-extra-time-to-finish-exams-2018-1/ The University of Oxford has added extra time to maths and computer science exams because female students aren't performing as well as their male counterparts. Students sitting maths and computer science exams last summer were given an extra 15 minutes to complete their papers because "female candidates might be more likely to be adversely affected by time pressure," according to a decision seen by The Daily Telegraph. The number of male students achieving first-class degrees was double that of women before the change was made, the Telegraph reported. As a result, the department changed the goal posts in an attempt to help female students achieve better grades. sigh OK well that's blatantly sexist. But I thought there was no data to imply biological differences meant anything in regards to science aptitude/training. Is Oxford aware of that? --- I don't know my gimmick "Does that sound reasonable to you?" <cite>Kazi1212 posted [p:910317426] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.businessinsider.com/oxford-university-gives-students-extra-time-to-finish-exams-2018-1/ The University of Oxford has added extra time to maths and computer science exams because female students aren't performing as well as their male counterparts. Students sitting maths and computer science exams last summer were given an extra 15 minutes to complete their papers because "female candidates might be more likely to be adversely affected by time pressure," according to a decision seen by The Daily Telegraph. The number of male students achieving first-class degrees was double that of women before the change was made, the Telegraph reported. As a result, the department changed the goal posts in an attempt to help female students achieve better grades.</quote> sigh OK well that's blatantly sexist.</quote> But I thought there was no data to imply biological differences meant anything in regards to science aptitude/training. Is Oxford aware of that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/10/18 8:21:28 PM #83:	P4wn4g3 posted... sigh OK well that's blatantly sexist. It's not particularly sexist if everyone is getting extra time. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:910317534] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote>sigh OK well that's blatantly sexist. </quote> It's not particularly sexist if everyone is getting extra time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 10/10/18 8:21:38 PM #84:	TrumpTrain posted... Of course physics has to be censored for girls. The Physics jargons indoctrinates rape culture! Didn't you know? Feminist scholar Sandra Harding already deciphered Newton's Principia Mathematica and it's basically a rape manual! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEdeeIXV0AEIMx4.jpg Well now I don't know what to think! --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:910317545] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrumpTrain posted...</cite> <quote>Of course physics has to be censored for girls. The Physics jargons indoctrinates rape culture! Didn't you know? Feminist scholar Sandra Harding already deciphered Newton's Principia Mathematica and it's basically a rape manual! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEdeeIXV0AEIMx4.jpg</quote> Well now I don't know what to think!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 10/10/18 9:00:16 PM #85:	Questionmarktarius posted... P4wn4g3 posted... sigh OK well that's blatantly sexist. It's not particularly sexist if everyone is getting extra time. Everyone is. But they used the premise that women are dumb to make the classes longer for everyone. --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:910319590] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>P4wn4g3 posted...</cite> <quote>sigh OK well that's blatantly sexist. </quote> It's not particularly sexist if everyone is getting extra time.</quote> Everyone is. But they used the premise that women are dumb to make the classes longer for everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 10/11/18 12:01:57 AM #86:	COVxy posted... cuttin_in_farm posted... You either care about science. Or you dont. I don't buy that at all. I was super interested in science in early middle school, but then stopped being interested in it around 8th grade, until my senior year of high school when I took physics. The main difference is the way that the information was taught. In my other classes, everything was rote memorization and step by step lab instructions. Only when I took the physics course, and the professor had a very different approach "demonstrate evidence for the phenomenon, you figure out how, go!", did I really get turned on to science again. The way a subject matter is taught almost certainly changes students' interest in the topic. How something is taught is vastly different than simply verbiage used. In your example, the teacher would make physics interesting whether he dumbed down his terminology or not. I do not see how dumbing down something reduces engagement. Dumbing something down objectively includes more people. Thats the point. Intentionally or not. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:910328731] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cuttin_in_farm posted...</cite> <quote>You either care about science. Or you dont.</quote> I don't buy that at all. I was super interested in science in early middle school, but then stopped being interested in it around 8th grade, until my senior year of high school when I took physics. The main difference is the way that the information was taught. In my other classes, everything was rote memorization and step by step lab instructions. Only when I took the physics course, and the professor had a very different approach "demonstrate evidence for the phenomenon, you figure out how, go!", did I really get turned on to science again. The way a subject matter is taught almost certainly changes students' interest in the topic.</quote> How something is taught is vastly different than simply verbiage used. In your example, the teacher would make physics interesting whether he dumbed down his terminology or not. I do not see how dumbing down something reduces engagement. Dumbing something down objectively includes more people. Thats the point. Intentionally or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
billcom6 10/11/18 12:05:01 AM #87:	As a 5th grade science teacher I don't dumb things down for the girls, only for the dumb kids. --- //constant loneliness// --- Steam and Fortnite: billcom6 My Teams: The Ohio State Buckeyes, New York Yankees, Buffalo Bills, The CBJ, Cavs <cite>billcom6 posted [p:910328872] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote>As a 5th grade science teacher I don't dumb things down for the girls, only for the dumb kids.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 10/11/18 12:26:36 AM #88:	Imagine coming to CE for a nuanced discussion on society and gender expectations. --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:910329738] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote>Imagine coming to CE for a nuanced discussion on society and gender expectations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 10/11/18 12:35:52 AM #89:	Girls got it good --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:910330085] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote>Girls got it good</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 10/11/18 1:38:30 AM #90:	Funbazooka posted... TrumpTrain posted... Of course physics has to be censored for girls. The Physics jargons indoctrinates rape culture! Didn't you know? Feminist scholar Sandra Harding already deciphered Newton's Principia Mathematica and it's basically a rape manual! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEdeeIXV0AEIMx4.jpg Well now I don't know what to think! This was a real thing pushed by the BBC, btw, for anyone skeptical. --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:910332240] in Potential ... [t:77084818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrumpTrain posted...</cite> <quote>Of course physics has to be censored for girls. The Physics jargons indoctrinates rape culture! Didn't you know? Feminist scholar Sandra Harding already deciphered Newton's Principia Mathematica and it's basically a rape manual! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEdeeIXV0AEIMx4.jpg</quote> Well now I don't know what to think!</quote> This was a real thing pushed by the BBC, btw, for anyone skeptical.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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