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Anteaterking 10/10/18 10:58:05 AM #103:	SubtletyRefuge posted... Is this supposed to be a good thing? So basically you're justifying gratuitous and indulgent violence and torture because you're saying society is used to it but rape can't get the same standards because society considers sex more abhorrent than violence. But there are a lot of people, I might say, even the majority who are able to look past rape in media as this specific special type of unshowable evil and just view it in the same lens that society does to murder in media. However, then we get hypocrites like Cyric (and maybe you?) who contribute to casually dismissing glorifying killing and murder in media but get all up in arms over rape. I don't like slasher films, so you're not going to have success painting me as a hypocrite. Also, I think you're sidetracking the conversation. I'm just stating that this is how society feels about things, not how society SHOULD feel about things. You had claimed that you didn't think people would care if Jason raped instead of killing and I think that's wrong. There's also the issue of "rape as characterization" tends to be weak characterization for both the victim and the perpetrator, and "rape as plot advancer" is not nearly as useful as "death as plot advancer". --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:910286826] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>Is this supposed to be a good thing? So basically you're justifying gratuitous and indulgent violence and torture because you're saying society is used to it but rape can't get the same standards because society considers sex more abhorrent than violence. But there are a lot of people, I might say, even the majority who are able to look past rape in media as this specific special type of unshowable evil and just view it in the same lens that society does to murder in media. However, then we get hypocrites like Cyric (and maybe you?) who contribute to casually dismissing glorifying killing and murder in media but get all up in arms over rape.</quote> I don't like slasher films, so you're not going to have success painting me as a hypocrite. Also, I think you're sidetracking the conversation. I'm just stating that this is how society feels about things, not how society SHOULD feel about things. You had claimed that you didn't think people would care if Jason raped instead of killing and I think that's wrong. There's also the issue of "rape as characterization" tends to be weak characterization for both the victim and the perpetrator, and "rape as plot advancer" is not nearly as useful as "death as plot advancer".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/10/18 10:58:08 AM #104:	rookieplayer03 posted... They dont show rape explicitly. Im not here to defend the show - only give my thoughts as you are as well. The problem is your unwillingness to accept others peoples take of the scene. Yeah, sorry, when I see people celebrating showing rape, I guess it gets difficult to accept their take. No, they didn't show penetration, but they showed everything else I listed, and framed it as sexy. I'll notice that nobody has been denying that part of my take. Sure but I can also go to YouTube videos and Crunchyroll to find comments with people saying that all goblins should be killed based on the scene. Okay. What's your take on that reaction? SubtletyRefuge posted... However, then we get hypocrites like Cyric (and maybe you?) who contribute to casually dismissing glorifying killing and murder in media but get all up in arms over rape. If you want me to come out against slasher films, I'm fine with that. I've got no particular love for the genre, and yes, it is quite indulgent. It's an indulgence that has become accepted in society since the 80s and it probably has desensitized us a bit too much to the idea of violence being brought upon others for no reasons other than having sex at a camp. If that's what it takes for me to state that I'd rather we NOT become the same kind of desensitized towards rape, I'll take that hit. God forbid you, whoever you are, view me as a hypocrite for my standards. SubtletyRefuge posted... Or when people go "lmao he was molested as a child that scene had me rolling" in family guy? Who the everloving fuck is saying that? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:910286827] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>rookieplayer03 posted...</cite> <quote>They dont show rape explicitly. Im not here to defend the show - only give my thoughts as you are as well. The problem is your unwillingness to accept others peoples take of the scene.</quote> Yeah, sorry, when I see people celebrating showing rape, I guess it gets difficult to accept their take. No, they didn't show penetration, but they showed everything else I listed, and framed it as sexy. I'll notice that nobody has been denying that part of my take. <quote>Sure but I can also go to YouTube videos and Crunchyroll to find comments with people saying that all goblins should be killed based on the scene.</quote> Okay. What's your take on that reaction? <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>However, then we get hypocrites like Cyric (and maybe you?) who contribute to casually dismissing glorifying killing and murder in media but get all up in arms over rape.</quote> If you want me to come out against slasher films, I'm fine with that. I've got no particular love for the genre, and yes, it is quite indulgent. It's an indulgence that has become accepted in society since the 80s and it probably has desensitized us a bit too much to the idea of violence being brought upon others for no reasons other than having sex at a camp. If that's what it takes for me to state that I'd rather we NOT become the same kind of desensitized towards rape, I'll take that hit. God forbid you, whoever you are, view me as a hypocrite for my standards. <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>Or when people go "lmao he was molested as a child that scene had me rolling" in family guy? </quote> Who the everloving fuck is saying that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/10/18 10:58:15 AM #105:	Esrac posted... You're naive if you think there are people who'll jack it to a woman being raped and no one who'll jack it to a man being raped. I think they'd be outnumbered 200 to 1 and most of that 200 who enjoy watching it happen to women won't enjoy watching it happen to men. It's fanservice rookieplayer03 posted... Thats a broad statement. Stereotypes are formed when people make generalizations like yours. Not really a generalization. Don't even have to leave this topic to see people talking about it You're basically this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke1YKF3tNCE" data-time=" --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:910286834] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote> You're naive if you think there are people who'll jack it to a woman being raped and no one who'll jack it to a man being raped.</quote> I think they'd be outnumbered 200 to 1 and most of that 200 who enjoy watching it happen to women won't enjoy watching it happen to men. It's fanservice <cite>rookieplayer03 posted...</cite> <quote> Thats a broad statement. Stereotypes are formed when people make generalizations like yours.</quote> Not really a generalization. Don't even have to leave this topic to see people talking about it You're basically this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke1YKF3tNCE" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leanaunfurled 10/10/18 11:03:14 AM #106:	I don't really see a problem with it. It's getting tiring to see people complaining about the mere existence of rape in any kind of media, like it should be completely ignored and pretend it doesn't exist. --- Currently Playing: God of War https://imgur.com/jycEJAt https://imgur.com/iOC77WJ <cite>Leanaunfurled posted [p:910287024] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote>I don't really see a problem with it. It's getting tiring to see people complaining about the mere existence of rape in any kind of media, like it should be completely ignored and pretend it doesn't exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/10/18 11:05:59 AM #107:	Leanaunfurled posted... I don't really see a problem with it. It's getting tiring to see people complaining about the mere existence of rape in any kind of media, like it should be completely ignored and pretend it doesn't exist. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77077479/910280705 --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:910287158] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>Leanaunfurled posted...</cite> <quote>I don't really see a problem with it. It's getting tiring to see people complaining about the mere existence of rape in any kind of media, like it should be completely ignored and pretend it doesn't exist.</quote> https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77077479/910280705</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leanaunfurled 10/10/18 11:09:53 AM #108:	CyricZ posted... Leanaunfurled posted... I don't really see a problem with it. It's getting tiring to see people complaining about the mere existence of rape in any kind of media, like it should be completely ignored and pretend it doesn't exist. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77077479/910280705 Apologies, haven't read through the topic due to its size. Also haven't seen the anime (been watching Planet With ^_~). I agree with what you said, though. --- Currently Playing: God of War https://imgur.com/jycEJAt https://imgur.com/iOC77WJ <cite>Leanaunfurled posted [p:910287340] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Leanaunfurled posted...</cite> <quote>I don't really see a problem with it. It's getting tiring to see people complaining about the mere existence of rape in any kind of media, like it should be completely ignored and pretend it doesn't exist.</quote> https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77077479/910280705</quote> Apologies, haven't read through the topic due to its size. Also haven't seen the anime (been watching Planet With ^_~). I agree with what you said, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/10/18 11:11:03 AM #109:	Leanaunfurled posted... Planet With Agh! Started that, haven't gone past the first two episodes. I really want to give it its due, though. I've just been so busy lately with life, work, and committing to my current guide. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:910287386] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>Leanaunfurled posted...</cite> <quote>Planet With</quote> Agh! Started that, haven't gone past the first two episodes. I really want to give it its due, though. I've just been so busy lately with life, work, and committing to my current guide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irregardless 10/10/18 11:15:35 AM #110:	rookieplayer03 posted... Sure, I have no problem with you thinking its shallow. <cite>Irregardless posted [p:910287616] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>rookieplayer03 posted...</cite> <quote>Sure, I have no problem with you thinking its shallow.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leanaunfurled 10/10/18 11:19:27 AM #111:	CyricZ posted... Leanaunfurled posted... Planet With Agh! Started that, haven't gone past the first two episodes. I really want to give it its due, though. I've just been so busy lately with life, work, and committing to my current guide. I enjoyed it well enough up until episode 4, and that's the point where I got hooked and it got a LOT better. I'll stop here though, don't want to completely derail lol. --- Currently Playing: God of War https://imgur.com/jycEJAt https://imgur.com/iOC77WJ <cite>Leanaunfurled posted [p:910287838] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Leanaunfurled posted...</cite> <quote>Planet With</quote> Agh! Started that, haven't gone past the first two episodes. I really want to give it its due, though. I've just been so busy lately with life, work, and committing to my current guide.</quote> I enjoyed it well enough up until episode 4, and that's the point where I got hooked and it got a LOT better. I'll stop here though, don't want to completely derail lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SubtletyRefuge 10/10/18 11:20:51 AM #112:	Anteaterking posted... SubtletyRefuge posted... Is this supposed to be a good thing? So basically you're justifying gratuitous and indulgent violence and torture because you're saying society is used to it but rape can't get the same standards because society considers sex more abhorrent than violence. But there are a lot of people, I might say, even the majority who are able to look past rape in media as this specific special type of unshowable evil and just view it in the same lens that society does to murder in media. However, then we get hypocrites like Cyric (and maybe you?) who contribute to casually dismissing glorifying killing and murder in media but get all up in arms over rape. I don't like slasher films, so you're not going to have success painting me as a hypocrite. Also, I think you're sidetracking the conversation. I'm just stating that this is how society feels about things, not how society SHOULD feel about things. You had claimed that you didn't think people would care if Jason raped instead of killing and I think that's wrong. There's also the issue of "rape as characterization" tends to be weak characterization for both the victim and the perpetrator, and "rape as plot advancer" is not nearly as useful as "death as plot advancer". It depends. Game of Thrones show that people are at least willing to overlook it if they're not outright using its willingness to defy norms to praise it. (let's be honest, GoT being one of the few series to have the balls to show onscreen rape is one of the reasons some people got into it) People wouldn't have thought a genre specifically about focusing on serial killers with the spotlight on the killers would be acceptable back in the day either. Though I really don't see how rape is less useful as a plot advancer than death. They're both the biggest traumatic events. In fact rape can be a bigger push to make the audience feel more sympathy due to society's belief that rape is a special kind of evil. CyricZ posted... If you want me to come out against slasher films, I'm fine with that. I've got no particular love for the genre, and yes, it is quite indulgent. It's an indulgence that has become accepted in society since the 80s and it probably has desensitized us a bit too much to the idea of violence being brought upon others for no reasons other than having sex at a camp. If that's what it takes for me to state that I'd rather we NOT become the same kind of desensitized towards rape, I'll take that hit. God forbid you, whoever you are, view me as a hypocrite for my standards. I don't ever see you talking out against it though and indeed you ignored it when I first brought it up rather than just saying you felt the same way towards it from the start. Do you see that as a lost cause or something? The example with satire shows still stands though. Or do you believe satire is also indulgent? In any case, the scene includes rape here the same way horror movies include torture and murder. If you're against that that's fair but those genres exist because people enjoy the shock value. There's not much depth into it. It's simply the transgression of norms itself that excites them. That's the point of both edgy grimdark horror and offensive satire. --- Real subtle <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted [p:910287906] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>Is this supposed to be a good thing? So basically you're justifying gratuitous and indulgent violence and torture because you're saying society is used to it but rape can't get the same standards because society considers sex more abhorrent than violence. But there are a lot of people, I might say, even the majority who are able to look past rape in media as this specific special type of unshowable evil and just view it in the same lens that society does to murder in media. However, then we get hypocrites like Cyric (and maybe you?) who contribute to casually dismissing glorifying killing and murder in media but get all up in arms over rape.</quote> I don't like slasher films, so you're not going to have success painting me as a hypocrite. Also, I think you're sidetracking the conversation. I'm just stating that this is how society feels about things, not how society SHOULD feel about things. You had claimed that you didn't think people would care if Jason raped instead of killing and I think that's wrong. There's also the issue of "rape as characterization" tends to be weak characterization for both the victim and the perpetrator, and "rape as plot advancer" is not nearly as useful as "death as plot advancer".</quote> It depends. Game of Thrones show that people are at least willing to overlook it if they're not outright using its willingness to defy norms to praise it. (let's be honest, GoT being one of the few series to have the balls to show onscreen rape is one of the reasons some people got into it) People wouldn't have thought a genre specifically about focusing on serial killers with the spotlight on the killers would be acceptable back in the day either. Though I really don't see how rape is less useful as a plot advancer than death. They're both the biggest traumatic events. In fact rape can be a bigger push to make the audience feel more sympathy due to society's belief that rape is a special kind of evil. <cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>If you want me to come out against slasher films, I'm fine with that. I've got no particular love for the genre, and yes, it is quite indulgent. It's an indulgence that has become accepted in society since the 80s and it probably has desensitized us a bit too much to the idea of violence being brought upon others for no reasons other than having sex at a camp. If that's what it takes for me to state that I'd rather we NOT become the same kind of desensitized towards rape, I'll take that hit. God forbid you, whoever you are, view me as a hypocrite for my standards.</quote> I don't ever see you talking out against it though and indeed you ignored it when I first brought it up rather than just saying you felt the same way towards it from the start. Do you see that as a lost cause or something? The example with satire shows still stands though. Or do you believe satire is also indulgent? In any case, the scene includes rape here the same way horror movies include torture and murder. If you're against that that's fair but those genres exist because people enjoy the shock value. There's not much depth into it. It's simply the transgression of norms itself that excites them. That's the point of both edgy grimdark horror and offensive satire.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 10/10/18 11:22:15 AM #113:	Leanaunfurled posted... CyricZ posted... Leanaunfurled posted... Planet With Agh! Started that, haven't gone past the first two episodes. I really want to give it its due, though. I've just been so busy lately with life, work, and committing to my current guide. I enjoyed it well enough up until episode 4, and that's the point where I got hooked and it got a LOT better. I'll stop here though, don't want to completely derail lol. oh? It's not a generic mecha anime? or it is one of the "cliche but good" kind? --- You have the right to remain silent. anything you post will be misquoted, then be used against you. <cite>Ricemills posted [p:910287973] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>Leanaunfurled posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Leanaunfurled posted...</cite> <quote>Planet With</quote> Agh! Started that, haven't gone past the first two episodes. I really want to give it its due, though. I've just been so busy lately with life, work, and committing to my current guide.</quote> I enjoyed it well enough up until episode 4, and that's the point where I got hooked and it got a LOT better. I'll stop here though, don't want to completely derail lol.</quote> oh? It's not a generic mecha anime? or it is one of the "cliche but good" kind?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leanaunfurled 10/10/18 11:26:57 AM #114:	Ricemills posted... Leanaunfurled posted... CyricZ posted... Leanaunfurled posted... Planet With Agh! Started that, haven't gone past the first two episodes. I really want to give it its due, though. I've just been so busy lately with life, work, and committing to my current guide. I enjoyed it well enough up until episode 4, and that's the point where I got hooked and it got a LOT better. I'll stop here though, don't want to completely derail lol. oh? It's not a generic mecha anime? or it is one of the "cliche but good" kind? I don't think it's cliche, but I also haven't seen a lot of mecha anime. It's by the same guy that did Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer, if that means anything to you. --- Currently Playing: God of War https://imgur.com/jycEJAt https://imgur.com/iOC77WJ <cite>Leanaunfurled posted [p:910288202] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ricemills posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Leanaunfurled posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Leanaunfurled posted...</cite> <quote>Planet With</quote> Agh! Started that, haven't gone past the first two episodes. I really want to give it its due, though. I've just been so busy lately with life, work, and committing to my current guide.</quote> I enjoyed it well enough up until episode 4, and that's the point where I got hooked and it got a LOT better. I'll stop here though, don't want to completely derail lol.</quote> oh? It's not a generic mecha anime? or it is one of the "cliche but good" kind?</quote> I don't think it's cliche, but I also haven't seen a lot of mecha anime. It's by the same guy that did Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer, if that means anything to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ricemills 10/10/18 11:35:59 AM #116:	Leanaunfurled posted... Ricemills posted... Leanaunfurled posted... CyricZ posted... Leanaunfurled posted... Planet With Agh! Started that, haven't gone past the first two episodes. I really want to give it its due, though. I've just been so busy lately with life, work, and committing to my current guide. I enjoyed it well enough up until episode 4, and that's the point where I got hooked and it got a LOT better. I'll stop here though, don't want to completely derail lol. oh? It's not a generic mecha anime? or it is one of the "cliche but good" kind? I don't think it's cliche, but I also haven't seen a lot of mecha anime. It's by the same guy that did Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer, if that means anything to you. well, I only read the synopsis and it sounds generic where "a young boy living peacefully until an alien(?) attacks, and now it's up to him to save the day". but if it's anything like L&BH, then I guess the mecha is not the focus of the show and the absurdity of the situation is. --- You have the right to remain silent. anything you post will be misquoted, then be used against you. <cite>Ricemills posted [p:910288660] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>Leanaunfurled posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ricemills posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Leanaunfurled posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Leanaunfurled posted...</cite> <quote>Planet With</quote> Agh! Started that, haven't gone past the first two episodes. I really want to give it its due, though. I've just been so busy lately with life, work, and committing to my current guide.</quote> I enjoyed it well enough up until episode 4, and that's the point where I got hooked and it got a LOT better. I'll stop here though, don't want to completely derail lol.</quote> oh? It's not a generic mecha anime? or it is one of the "cliche but good" kind?</quote> I don't think it's cliche, but I also haven't seen a lot of mecha anime. It's by the same guy that did Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer, if that means anything to you.</quote> well, I only read the synopsis and it sounds generic where "a young boy living peacefully until an alien(?) attacks, and now it's up to him to save the day". but if it's anything like L&BH, then I guess the mecha is not the focus of the show and the absurdity of the situation is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/10/18 11:36:13 AM #117:	Th3Truth posted... UnfairRepresent posted... rookieplayer03 posted... Thats a broad statement. Stereotypes are formed when people make generalizations like yours. Not really a generalization. Don't even have to leave this topic to see people talking about it You're basically this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke1YKF3tNCE" data-time=" Action movie fans: The desperate struggle as the heroes race against time to stop an oppressive villain organization from destroying the world is what truly makes these movies exhilarating Action movie director: I just like seeing people get shot in the head. Yes, action scenes in hollywood movies are the same thing as graphic rape scenes in childrens cartoons. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:910288668] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>Th3Truth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>rookieplayer03 posted...</cite> <quote> Thats a broad statement. Stereotypes are formed when people make generalizations like yours.</quote> Not really a generalization. Don't even have to leave this topic to see people talking about it You're basically this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke1YKF3tNCE" data-time="</quote> Action movie fans: The desperate struggle as the heroes race against time to stop an oppressive villain organization from destroying the world is what truly makes these movies exhilarating Action movie director: I just like seeing people get shot in the head.</quote> Yes, action scenes in hollywood movies are the same thing as graphic rape scenes in childrens cartoons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/10/18 11:43:46 AM #118:	SubtletyRefuge posted... I don't ever see you talking out against it though and indeed you ignored it when I first brought it up rather than just saying you felt the same way towards it from the start. Do you see that as a lost cause or something? In short, yeah I kinda do consider it as a lost cause largely because of the slasher flick having evolved from outright horror into "rooting for the slasher". I'd rather the idea of rape not go in the same direction, which is why I'm against promoting this kind of stuff. That said, please fuck right off on your "you didn't condemn it fast enough" bullshit. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:910289051] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>I don't ever see you talking out against it though and indeed you ignored it when I first brought it up rather than just saying you felt the same way towards it from the start. Do you see that as a lost cause or something? </quote> In short, yeah I kinda do consider it as a lost cause largely because of the slasher flick having evolved from outright horror into "rooting for the slasher". I'd rather the idea of rape not go in the same direction, which is why I'm against promoting this kind of stuff. That said, please fuck right off on your "you didn't condemn it fast enough" bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SubtletyRefuge 10/10/18 11:58:38 AM #119:	CyricZ posted... SubtletyRefuge posted... I don't ever see you talking out against it though and indeed you ignored it when I first brought it up rather than just saying you felt the same way towards it from the start. Do you see that as a lost cause or something? In short, yeah I kinda do consider it as a lost cause largely because of the slasher flick having evolved from outright horror into "rooting for the slasher". I'd rather the idea of rape not go in the same direction, which is why I'm against promoting this kind of stuff. That said, please fuck right off on your "you didn't condemn it fast enough" bullshit. That's fair then, though in this case it still falls solidly on horror since we're clearly supposed to be sympathizing with the victim and hating the goblins and they get comeuppance for their crime even if you believe they indulged and made the scene too sexy for your standards. And I'm well within my rights to question you for that. Hypocrites who turn a blind eye and are actually fine with things when it happens in their favorite media just not in their disliked media are a dime a dozen. There's no way I could've known you weren't one of them. --- Real subtle <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted [p:910289733] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>I don't ever see you talking out against it though and indeed you ignored it when I first brought it up rather than just saying you felt the same way towards it from the start. Do you see that as a lost cause or something? </quote> In short, yeah I kinda do consider it as a lost cause largely because of the slasher flick having evolved from outright horror into "rooting for the slasher". I'd rather the idea of rape not go in the same direction, which is why I'm against promoting this kind of stuff. That said, please fuck right off on your "you didn't condemn it fast enough" bullshit.</quote> That's fair then, though in this case it still falls solidly on horror since we're clearly supposed to be sympathizing with the victim and hating the goblins and they get comeuppance for their crime even if you believe they indulged and made the scene too sexy for your standards. And I'm well within my rights to question you for that. Hypocrites who turn a blind eye and are actually fine with things when it happens in their favorite media just not in their disliked media are a dime a dozen. There's no way I could've known you weren't one of them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 10/10/18 12:15:19 PM #120:	SubtletyRefuge posted... It depends. Game of Thrones show that people are at least willing to overlook it if they're not outright using its willingness to defy norms to praise it. (let's be honest, GoT being one of the few series to have the balls to show onscreen rape is one of the reasons some people got into it) Who got into Game of Thrones specifically because it showed rape? Some people got into it because it had lots of nudity and sex, but that is not at all the same thing. SubtletyRefuge posted... People wouldn't have thought a genre specifically about focusing on serial killers with the spotlight on the killers would be acceptable back in the day either. People have been fascinated by serial killers since before Jack the Ripper. The slasher film genre is a natural place for horror to go, not a surprise. The only "surprising" part was how in Halloween people cheered for the victims, but when Friday the 13th came out they started cheering for the slasher. SubtletyRefuge posted... Though I really don't see how rape is less useful as a plot advancer than death. They're both the biggest traumatic events. In fact rape can be a bigger push to make the audience feel more sympathy due to society's belief that rape is a special kind of evil. That's not plot. You're talking about characterization. Killing/murder ends characters' plot lines. It's usually the pretense to war. Your example of the Red Wedding is a pivotal moment in the series for most of the main characters, even ones who weren't there and completely changes the narrative in a way that watching ~~Ramsay rape Sansa~~ doesn't. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:910290660] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>It depends. Game of Thrones show that people are at least willing to overlook it if they're not outright using its willingness to defy norms to praise it. (let's be honest, GoT being one of the few series to have the balls to show onscreen rape is one of the reasons some people got into it) </quote> Who got into Game of Thrones specifically because it showed rape? Some people got into it because it had lots of nudity and sex, but that is not at all the same thing. <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote> People wouldn't have thought a genre specifically about focusing on serial killers with the spotlight on the killers would be acceptable back in the day either. </quote> People have been fascinated by serial killers since before Jack the Ripper. The slasher film genre is a natural place for horror to go, not a surprise. The only "surprising" part was how in Halloween people cheered for the victims, but when Friday the 13th came out they started cheering for the slasher. <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>Though I really don't see how rape is less useful as a plot advancer than death. They're both the biggest traumatic events. In fact rape can be a bigger push to make the audience feel more sympathy due to society's belief that rape is a special kind of evil. </quote> That's not plot. You're talking about characterization. Killing/murder ends characters' plot lines. It's usually the pretense to war. Your example of the Red Wedding is a pivotal moment in the series for most of the main characters, even ones who weren't there and completely changes the narrative in a way that watching Ramsay rape Sansa doesn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SubtletyRefuge 10/10/18 12:33:37 PM #121:	Anteaterking posted... Who got into Game of Thrones specifically because it showed rape? Some people got into it because it had lots of nudity and sex, but that is not at all the same thing. Are there anyone who's getting into this show because it showed rape? There's almost always multiple reasons someone watches something, but I'm sure its willingness to depict rape is definitely a reason some people have gotten into it for. Anteaterking posted... People have been fascinated by serial killers since before Jack the Ripper. The slasher film genre is a natural place for horror to go, not a surprise. The only "surprising" part was how in Halloween people cheered for the victims, but when Friday the 13th came out they started cheering for the slasher. If you're going to go that route, rape has always been a narrative device, sometimes gratuitously since Greek mythology. Anteaterking posted... That's not plot. You're talking about characterization. Killing/murder ends characters' plot lines. It's usually the pretense to war. Your example of the Red Wedding is a pivotal moment in the series for most of the main characters, even ones who weren't there and completely changes the narrative in a way that watching Ramsay rape Sansa doesn't. The daughter's rape is what fueled the guy in death wish to do what he does. Odysseus's motivation for his journey is his wife getting raped. I spit on your grave's MC completely changes after her rape. These are all pivotal moments in a narrative. The only thing it can't do that death can is end their plot lines but if the rape puts them into a coma, psychologically breaks them into insanity, or just completely leave the setting it can --- Real subtle <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted [p:910291699] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote> Who got into Game of Thrones specifically because it showed rape? Some people got into it because it had lots of nudity and sex, but that is not at all the same thing. </quote> Are there anyone who's getting into this show because it showed rape? There's almost always multiple reasons someone watches something, but I'm sure its willingness to depict rape is definitely a reason some people have gotten into it for. <cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>People have been fascinated by serial killers since before Jack the Ripper. The slasher film genre is a natural place for horror to go, not a surprise. The only "surprising" part was how in Halloween people cheered for the victims, but when Friday the 13th came out they started cheering for the slasher.</quote> If you're going to go that route, rape has always been a narrative device, sometimes gratuitously since Greek mythology. <cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote> That's not plot. You're talking about characterization. Killing/murder ends characters' plot lines. It's usually the pretense to war. Your example of the Red Wedding is a pivotal moment in the series for most of the main characters, even ones who weren't there and completely changes the narrative in a way that watching Ramsay rape Sansa doesn't.</quote> The daughter's rape is what fueled the guy in death wish to do what he does. Odysseus's motivation for his journey is his wife getting raped. I spit on your grave's MC completely changes after her rape. These are all pivotal moments in a narrative. The only thing it can't do that death can is end their plot lines but if the rape puts them into a coma, psychologically breaks them into insanity, or just completely leave the setting it can</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irregardless 10/10/18 12:45:27 PM #123:	SubtletyRefuge posted... Are there anyone who's getting into this show because it showed rape? You're either being naive or disingenuous if you pretend that's not the main draw, either through the shock value or fetishization of the act. They could have replaced rape with any "evil" act and the show wouldn't be any different it's a tactic to draw attention to itself and titillate some nothing more. SubtletyRefuge posted... If you're going to go that route, rape has always been a narrative device, sometimes gratuitously since Greek mythology. There is no narrative reason for the rape in this series as it seems, the flimsy "they're a male only species" only seems to be tacked on as an excuse for the act to appear all. <cite>Irregardless posted [p:910292370] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>Are there anyone who's getting into this show because it showed rape?</quote> You're either being naive or disingenuous if you pretend that's not the main draw, either through the shock value or fetishization of the act. They could have replaced rape with any "evil" act and the show wouldn't be any different it's a tactic to draw attention to itself and titillate some nothing more. <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>If you're going to go that route, rape has always been a narrative device, sometimes gratuitously since Greek mythology.</quote> There is no narrative reason for the rape in this series as it seems, the flimsy "they're a male only species" only seems to be tacked on as an excuse for the act to appear all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SubtletyRefuge 10/10/18 12:48:42 PM #124:	Irregardless posted... SubtletyRefuge posted... Are there anyone who's getting into this show because it showed rape? You're either being naive or disingenuous if you pretend that's not the main draw, either through the shock value or fetishization of the act. They could have replaced rape with any "evil" act and the show wouldn't be any different it's a tactic to draw attention to itself and titillate some nothing more. Seeing as rape apparently only occurs once or twice in the whole series they'd be very disappointed indeed. And by that logic why wouldn't there be people who watched GoT for its more explicit rape scenes? You've shown you have no idea what you're talking about though. --- Real subtle <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted [p:910292544] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>Irregardless posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>Are there anyone who's getting into this show because it showed rape?</quote> You're either being naive or disingenuous if you pretend that's not the main draw, either through the shock value or fetishization of the act. They could have replaced rape with any "evil" act and the show wouldn't be any different it's a tactic to draw attention to itself and titillate some nothing more.</quote> Seeing as rape apparently only occurs once or twice in the whole series they'd be very disappointed indeed. And by that logic why wouldn't there be people who watched GoT for its more explicit rape scenes? You've shown you have no idea what you're talking about though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 10/10/18 12:48:49 PM #125:	SubtletyRefuge posted... Are there anyone who's getting into this show because it showed rape? There's almost always multiple reasons someone watches something, but I'm sure its willingness to depict rape is definitely a reason some people have gotten into it for. "I want to watch this show because it's willing to depict rape" is weird, I'm sorry. SubtletyRefuge posted... If you're going to go that route, rape has always been a narrative device, sometimes gratuitously since Greek mythology. You keep doing this thing where you respond to what I say ignoring what I was responding to. You just said "people wouldn't have thought slasher films were acceptable!" and I'm telling you they did. SubtletyRefuge posted... The daughter's rape is what fueled the guy in death wish to do what he does. Odysseus's motivation for his journey is his wife getting raped. I spit on your grave's MC completely changes after her rape. These are all pivotal moments in a narrative. The only thing it can't do that death can is end their plot lines but if the rape puts them into a coma, psychologically breaks them into insanity, or just completely leave the setting it can I'm not claiming it can't be done or that it hasn't been done well in the past. Just that in general it's weaker as a narrative element. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:910292549] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>Are there anyone who's getting into this show because it showed rape? There's almost always multiple reasons someone watches something, but I'm sure its willingness to depict rape is definitely a reason some people have gotten into it for. </quote> "I want to watch this show because it's willing to depict rape" is weird, I'm sorry. <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>If you're going to go that route, rape has always been a narrative device, sometimes gratuitously since Greek mythology.</quote> You keep doing this thing where you respond to what I say ignoring what I was responding to. You just said "people wouldn't have thought slasher films were acceptable!" and I'm telling you they did. <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>The daughter's rape is what fueled the guy in death wish to do what he does. Odysseus's motivation for his journey is his wife getting raped. I spit on your grave's MC completely changes after her rape. These are all pivotal moments in a narrative. The only thing it can't do that death can is end their plot lines but if the rape puts them into a coma, psychologically breaks them into insanity, or just completely leave the setting it can</quote> I'm not claiming it can't be done or that it hasn't been done well in the past. Just that in general it's weaker as a narrative element.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irregardless 10/10/18 12:50:04 PM #126:	I'm just gonna tag SubtletyRefuge as "Enjoys Rape" and move on. <cite>Irregardless posted [p:910292617] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote>I'm just gonna tag SubtletyRefuge as "Enjoys Rape" and move on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SubtletyRefuge 10/10/18 12:50:11 PM #127:	Irregardless posted... There is no narrative reason for the rape in this series as it seems, the flimsy "they're a male only species" only seems to be tacked on as an excuse for the act to appear all.) The fact that they're rapists is a narrative device. There's no reason for Zeus to have raped any of his dozens of victims either. --- Real subtle <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted [p:910292628] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>Irregardless posted...</cite> <quote>There is no narrative reason for the rape in this series as it seems, the flimsy "they're a male only species" only seems to be tacked on as an excuse for the act to appear all.)</quote> The fact that they're rapists is a narrative device. There's no reason for Zeus to have raped any of his dozens of victims either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irregardless 10/10/18 12:52:38 PM #128:	SubtletyRefuge posted... There's no reason for Zeus to have raped any of his dozens of victims either. And? I'm not sure what your'e getting at mythology and media are not the same thing, plus you're equating some random anime to a story from thousands of years ago. <cite>Irregardless posted [p:910292766] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>There's no reason for Zeus to have raped any of his dozens of victims either. </quote> And? I'm not sure what your'e getting at mythology and media are not the same thing, plus you're equating some random anime to a story from thousands of years ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/10/18 12:57:53 PM #129:	Mythology is essentially the precursor to media, but I don't see how "if it was good thousands of years ago it's good now" is any kind of a worthwhile argument. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:910293073] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote>Mythology is essentially the precursor to media, but I don't see how "if it was good thousands of years ago it's good now" is any kind of a worthwhile argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 10/10/18 1:02:55 PM #130:	CyricZ posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77077479/910280705 It doesn't do that though. The rape is portrayed as something terrible and there's very much a feeling that it is only there because it existed in the source they are adapting from. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:910293372] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77077479/910280705</quote> It doesn't do that though. The rape is portrayed as something terrible and there's very much a feeling that it is only there because it existed in the source they are adapting from.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SubtletyRefuge 10/10/18 1:07:31 PM #131:	Anteaterking posted... I want to watch this show because it's willing to depict rape" is weird, I'm sorry. GoT is a very weird show and the main purpose people watch it for its willingness to kill anyone is "weird" too. Anteaterking posted... You keep doing this thing where you respond to what I say ignoring what I was responding to. You just said "people wouldn't have thought slasher films were acceptable!" and I'm telling you they did Now you're conflating mainstream and niche/cult interests. Normal people weren't fascinated by Jack the Ripper. The average person doesn't encourage their kids to read up on serial killers. Back in the day even Rock music was unacceptable by moral guardians. Rape being unacceptable to be shown in media is in that same side of the coin. If we get down to it though I'm willing to bet the majority of people don't think rape is unacceptable in media. There's just a bigger vocal minority against it than murder. This topic is an example itself. Anteaterking posted... I'm not claiming it can't be done or that it hasn't been done well in the past. Just that in general it's weaker as a narrative element. It's not weaker. It's just not done as much due to society's currently bigger aversion to it. Irregardless posted... I'm just gonna tag SubtletyRefuge as "Enjoys Rape" and move on. Lol ok 40 karma alt. Not that it matters much since you'll probably getting banned within the next year anyway. I've tagged you as low IQ torture advocate though. CyricZ posted... Mythology is essentially the precursor to media, but I don't see how "if it was good thousands of years ago it's good now" is any kind of a worthwhile argument. I'm not the one who brought up stuff from centuries ago. --- Real subtle <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted [p:910293646] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>I want to watch this show because it's willing to depict rape" is weird, I'm sorry. </quote> GoT is a very weird show and the main purpose people watch it for its willingness to kill anyone is "weird" too. <cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>You keep doing this thing where you respond to what I say ignoring what I was responding to. You just said "people wouldn't have thought slasher films were acceptable!" and I'm telling you they did</quote> Now you're conflating mainstream and niche/cult interests. Normal people weren't fascinated by Jack the Ripper. The average person doesn't encourage their kids to read up on serial killers. Back in the day even Rock music was unacceptable by moral guardians. Rape being unacceptable to be shown in media is in that same side of the coin. If we get down to it though I'm willing to bet the majority of people don't think rape is unacceptable in media. There's just a bigger vocal minority against it than murder. This topic is an example itself. <cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not claiming it can't be done or that it hasn't been done well in the past. Just that in general it's weaker as a narrative element.</quote> It's not weaker. It's just not done as much due to society's currently bigger aversion to it. <cite>Irregardless posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just gonna tag SubtletyRefuge as "Enjoys Rape" and move on.</quote> Lol ok 40 karma alt. Not that it matters much since you'll probably getting banned within the next year anyway. I've tagged you as low IQ torture advocate though. <cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Mythology is essentially the precursor to media, but I don't see how "if it was good thousands of years ago it's good now" is any kind of a worthwhile argument.</quote> I'm not the one who brought up stuff from centuries ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/10/18 1:14:46 PM #132:	uwnim posted... CyricZ posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77077479/910280705 It doesn't do that though. The rape is portrayed as something terrible and there's very much a feeling that it is only there because it existed in the source they are adapting from. I've covered in several posts how the way the rape is "shot" (or more correctly "animated") comes across as sexy given what the camera focuses on, the condition of the character, etc. I've also given evidence for people responding to it interpreting it as sexy. The greater message of the scene is one of tragedy and horror, I grant you, but looking at what is shown of the rape itself goes too far in a sexually arousing direction, in my opinion. Again, that's what I have a problem with. SubtletyRefuge posted... I'm not the one who brought up stuff from centuries ago. Okay, no worries. Just got lost in the shuffle, I guess? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:910294080] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/77077479/910280705</quote> It doesn't do that though. The rape is portrayed as something terrible and there's very much a feeling that it is only there because it existed in the source they are adapting from.</quote> I've covered in several posts how the way the rape is "shot" (or more correctly "animated") comes across as sexy given what the camera focuses on, the condition of the character, etc. I've also given evidence for people responding to it interpreting it as sexy. The greater message of the scene is one of tragedy and horror, I grant you, but looking at what is shown of the rape itself goes too far in a sexually arousing direction, in my opinion. Again, that's what I have a problem with. <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not the one who brought up stuff from centuries ago.</quote> Okay, no worries. Just got lost in the shuffle, I guess?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jshipp24 10/10/18 1:32:26 PM #133:	The rape scene in the anime is censored a good amount tbh. Even them killing the warrior is censored more since they pick up his severed arm and show it. I'm sure there are more rape scenes in the manga and they definitely show the aftermath which is honestly still pretty fucked up. While I don't like the idea of it all it does honestly get you in the mood when goblin Slayer is murdering goblins good of war style, makes you really hate them tbh. <cite>Jshipp24 posted [p:910295031] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote>The rape scene in the anime is censored a good amount tbh. Even them killing the warrior is censored more since they pick up his severed arm and show it. I'm sure there are more rape scenes in the manga and they definitely show the aftermath which is honestly still pretty fucked up. While I don't like the idea of it all it does honestly get you in the mood when goblin Slayer is murdering goblins good of war style, makes you really hate them tbh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/10/18 1:35:46 PM #134:	Jshipp24 posted... it does honestly get you in the mood when goblin Slayer is murdering goblins good of war style I mean, I haven't seen all that, and it could frankly be awesome and cool-looking and quite cathartic. From what people have described, this does seem an interesting take on the concept of a medieval fantasy world's deconstruction of high fantasy, by making the "weak" enemies a legitimate threat. It's just... eh... points at that one scene --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:910295208] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jshipp24 posted...</cite> <quote>it does honestly get you in the mood when goblin Slayer is murdering goblins good of war style</quote> I mean, I haven't seen all that, and it could frankly be awesome and cool-looking and quite cathartic. From what people have described, this does seem an interesting take on the concept of a medieval fantasy world's deconstruction of high fantasy, by making the "weak" enemies a legitimate threat. It's just... eh... points at that one scene</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 10/10/18 1:41:00 PM #135:	I guess it has to do something over the top to stand out to compensate for how lame the name is. Like just goblin slayer. I'm sure for the first few days just looking the title up would only give generic links about games where you can kill goblins lol. But if there's an outrage that's dumb. Sounds like typical horror schlock. At least the goblins get their heads caved in for it. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:910295499] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote>I guess it has to do something over the top to stand out to compensate for how lame the name is. Like just goblin slayer. I'm sure for the first few days just looking the title up would only give generic links about games where you can kill goblins lol. But if there's an outrage that's dumb. Sounds like typical horror schlock. At least the goblins get their heads caved in for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 10/10/18 1:46:20 PM #136:	UnfairRepresent posted... I mean Dragon Age was an 18 rated game and in the plot they explain that the Darkspawn are made by horrible monsters kidnapping, torturing and gang-raping girls, then forcing them to eat their boyfriends. But they didn't SHOW us that in graphic detail ~~Hearing the tortured song about it was pretty horrifying still though~~. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:910295790] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>I mean Dragon Age was an 18 rated game and in the plot they explain that the Darkspawn are made by horrible monsters kidnapping, torturing and gang-raping girls, then forcing them to eat their boyfriends. But they didn't SHOW us that in graphic detail</quote> Hearing the tortured song about it was pretty horrifying still though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/10/18 1:48:33 PM #137:	Just read the same scene in the manga. Working in the character backstories gives the failure of the party more oomph in the scene, but the Monk's rape is still presented indulgently, giving considerable detail to her being naked but otherwise unmarred. Don't really have access to the original light novel, but I'd be interested to see how much the text focuses around the Monk's nudity. I'd imagine "not as much". Honestly, I've seen plenty like this and worse in manga. Ever read Dead Tube? That's indulgent as shit and goes deeply into violence and rape as a means of entertainment. Hard stuff. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:910295899] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote>Just read the same scene in the manga. Working in the character backstories gives the failure of the party more oomph in the scene, but the Monk's rape is still presented indulgently, giving considerable detail to her being naked but otherwise unmarred. Don't really have access to the original light novel, but I'd be interested to see how much the text focuses around the Monk's nudity. I'd imagine "not as much". Honestly, I've seen plenty like this and worse in manga. Ever read Dead Tube? That's indulgent as shit and goes deeply into violence and rape as a means of entertainment. Hard stuff.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 10/10/18 1:49:35 PM #138:	whoa you mean these inhuman monsters do inhuman monstrous things no way --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:910295954] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote>whoa you mean these inhuman monsters do inhuman monstrous things no way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SubtletyRefuge 10/10/18 1:52:12 PM #139:	GiftedACIII posted... I guess it has to do something over the top to stand out to compensate for how lame the name is. Like just goblin slayer. I'm sure for the first few days just looking the title up would only give generic links about games where you can kill goblins lol. But if there's an outrage that's dumb. Sounds like typical horror schlock. At least the goblins get their heads caved in for it. Honestly I think the name and premise sounds boring as hell. It would have to give me a reason why I should care about some dude slaying goblins. --- Real subtle <cite>SubtletyRefuge posted [p:910296092] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote>I guess it has to do something over the top to stand out to compensate for how lame the name is. Like just goblin slayer. I'm sure for the first few days just looking the title up would only give generic links about games where you can kill goblins lol. But if there's an outrage that's dumb. Sounds like typical horror schlock. At least the goblins get their heads caved in for it.</quote> Honestly I think the name and premise sounds boring as hell. It would have to give me a reason why I should care about some dude slaying goblins.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 10/10/18 1:55:27 PM #140:	the Goblin Slayer topic in anime board got 500 post, let's see if it's the same with CE. --- You have the right to remain silent. anything you post will be misquoted, then be used against you. <cite>Ricemills posted [p:910296268] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote>the Goblin Slayer topic in anime board got 500 post, let's see if it's the same with CE.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 10/10/18 1:59:44 PM #141:	CyricZ posted... I've covered in several posts how the way the rape is "shot" (or more correctly "animated") comes across as sexy given what the camera focuses on, the condition of the character, etc. I've also given evidence for people responding to it interpreting it as sexy. The greater message of the scene is one of tragedy and horror, I grant you, but looking at what is shown of the rape itself goes too far in a sexually arousing direction, in my opinion. Again, that's what I have a problem with. The problem is that they are adapting the manga version and that did do exactly what you said. They tried to town down the sexiness in the anime and make it more tasteful, but there'd only be so much they can do. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:910296477] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> I've covered in several posts how the way the rape is "shot" (or more correctly "animated") comes across as sexy given what the camera focuses on, the condition of the character, etc. I've also given evidence for people responding to it interpreting it as sexy. The greater message of the scene is one of tragedy and horror, I grant you, but looking at what is shown of the rape itself goes too far in a sexually arousing direction, in my opinion. Again, that's what I have a problem with.</quote> The problem is that they are adapting the manga version and that did do exactly what you said. They tried to town down the sexiness in the anime and make it more tasteful, but there'd only be so much they can do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 10/10/18 2:01:04 PM #142:	CyricZ posted... Just read the same scene in the manga. Working in the character backstories gives the failure of the party more oomph in the scene, but the Monk's rape is still presented indulgently, giving considerable detail to her being naked but otherwise unmarred. Don't really have access to the original light novel, but I'd be interested to see how much the text focuses around the Monk's nudity. I'd imagine "not as much". Honestly, I've seen plenty like this and worse in manga. Ever read Dead Tube? That's indulgent as shit and goes deeply into violence and rape as a means of entertainment. Hard stuff. Oh god you read dead tube? That's the most edgelord and disgusting manga I've ever read. The worst example is when a bunch of (naked for absolutely no reason) kidnapped middle schoolers are bound, blindfolded and graphically executed by gunfire onscreen. One also has her throat slit. It's ISIS level shit... It's also somehow Shounen I thought it was a joke webcomic at first. When stuff like one punch man is seinen. And did originate as a joke webcomic. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:910296547] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Just read the same scene in the manga. Working in the character backstories gives the failure of the party more oomph in the scene, but the Monk's rape is still presented indulgently, giving considerable detail to her being naked but otherwise unmarred. Don't really have access to the original light novel, but I'd be interested to see how much the text focuses around the Monk's nudity. I'd imagine "not as much". Honestly, I've seen plenty like this and worse in manga. Ever read Dead Tube? That's indulgent as shit and goes deeply into violence and rape as a means of entertainment. Hard stuff.</quote> Oh god you read dead tube? That's the most edgelord and disgusting manga I've ever read. The worst example is when a bunch of (naked for absolutely no reason) kidnapped middle schoolers are bound, blindfolded and graphically executed by gunfire onscreen. One also has her throat slit. It's ISIS level shit... It's also somehow Shounen I thought it was a joke webcomic at first. When stuff like one punch man is seinen. And did originate as a joke webcomic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
im not 13 10/10/18 2:04:36 PM #143:	TFW people haven't watched / read Berserk --- http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m510t9eNw71r2yd8o.jpg <cite>im not 13 posted [p:910296761] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote>TFW people haven't watched / read Berserk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/10/18 2:05:15 PM #144:	uwnim posted... CyricZ posted... I've covered in several posts how the way the rape is "shot" (or more correctly "animated") comes across as sexy given what the camera focuses on, the condition of the character, etc. I've also given evidence for people responding to it interpreting it as sexy. The greater message of the scene is one of tragedy and horror, I grant you, but looking at what is shown of the rape itself goes too far in a sexually arousing direction, in my opinion. Again, that's what I have a problem with. The problem is that they are adapting the manga version and that did do exactly what you said. They tried to town down the sexiness in the anime and make it more tasteful, but there'd only be so much they can do. They can do whatever they want. It's called artistic license. They don't have to adapt the manga because the original story is not in a manga; it's in a light novel. Clearly their intent was to mimic the manga because it looks almost equivalent. I don't agree that they "tried to tone down the sexiness". They kept it all intact in terms of what they showed "on camera" and where they were focused, and only obscured the nipples so that they could air it on TV. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:910296801] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>uwnim posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> I've covered in several posts how the way the rape is "shot" (or more correctly "animated") comes across as sexy given what the camera focuses on, the condition of the character, etc. I've also given evidence for people responding to it interpreting it as sexy. The greater message of the scene is one of tragedy and horror, I grant you, but looking at what is shown of the rape itself goes too far in a sexually arousing direction, in my opinion. Again, that's what I have a problem with.</quote> The problem is that they are adapting the manga version and that did do exactly what you said. They tried to town down the sexiness in the anime and make it more tasteful, but there'd only be so much they can do.</quote> They can do whatever they want. It's called artistic license. They don't have to adapt the manga because the original story is not in a manga; it's in a light novel. Clearly their intent was to mimic the manga because it looks almost equivalent. I don't agree that they "tried to tone down the sexiness". They kept it all intact in terms of what they showed "on camera" and where they were focused, and only obscured the nipples so that they could air it on TV.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/10/18 2:07:42 PM #145:	GiftedACIII posted... CyricZ posted... Honestly, I've seen plenty like this and worse in manga. Ever read Dead Tube? That's indulgent as shit and goes deeply into violence and rape as a means of entertainment. Hard stuff. Oh god you read dead tube? That's the most edgelord and disgusting manga I've ever read. I agree. The only reason I kept reading was because I was curious to see how the writer could top themselves in disturbing. It's sickly fascinating, and I admit I'm not immune to that, but I still don't feel good about reading it, and I recognize that. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:910296946] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly, I've seen plenty like this and worse in manga. Ever read Dead Tube? That's indulgent as shit and goes deeply into violence and rape as a means of entertainment. Hard stuff.</quote> Oh god you read dead tube? That's the most edgelord and disgusting manga I've ever read.</quote> I agree. The only reason I kept reading was because I was curious to see how the writer could top themselves in disturbing. It's sickly fascinating, and I admit I'm not immune to that, but I still don't feel good about reading it, and I recognize that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 10/10/18 2:17:39 PM #146:	CyricZ posted... They can do whatever they want. It's called artistic license. They don't have to adapt the manga because the original story is not in a manga; it's in a light novel. Clearly their intent was to mimic the manga because it looks almost equivalent. I don't agree that they "tried to tone down the sexiness". They kept it all intact in terms of what they showed "on camera" and where they were focused, and only obscured the nipples so that they could air it on TV. No, they are pretty different. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:910297561] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote> They can do whatever they want. It's called artistic license. They don't have to adapt the manga because the original story is not in a manga; it's in a light novel. Clearly their intent was to mimic the manga because it looks almost equivalent. I don't agree that they "tried to tone down the sexiness". They kept it all intact in terms of what they showed "on camera" and where they were focused, and only obscured the nipples so that they could air it on TV.</quote> No, they are pretty different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/10/18 2:20:57 PM #147:	Well if you say so. I just watched/read both today, but I guess it's a matter of interpretation? I'm just making sure you're not of the "they obscured her nipples so it's better" camp. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:910297739] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote>Well if you say so. I just watched/read both today, but I guess it's a matter of interpretation? I'm just making sure you're not of the "they obscured her nipples so it's better" camp.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 10/10/18 2:21:42 PM #148:	im not 13 posted... TFW people haven't watched / read Berserk I consider Berserk MLP compared to Dead Tube. CyricZ posted... GiftedACIII posted... CyricZ posted... Honestly, I've seen plenty like this and worse in manga. Ever read Dead Tube? That's indulgent as shit and goes deeply into violence and rape as a means of entertainment. Hard stuff. Oh god you read dead tube? That's the most edgelord and disgusting manga I've ever read. I agree. The only reason I kept reading was because I was curious to see how the writer could top themselves in disturbing. It's sickly fascinating, and I admit I'm not immune to that, but I still don't feel good about reading it, and I recognize that. I found out about it because author's previous horror story was alright (some terrible plot holes though) and decided to check it out. It's just nothing but edge. I've seen people call it what a 14 year old delinquent pissed at the world would make. After so much mass murder the concept just gets too ridiculous on why nobody seems to care. But I'll admit it is pretty funny how the main heroine has better healing powers than Stand users. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:910297779] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>im not 13 posted...</cite> <quote>TFW people haven't watched / read Berserk</quote> I consider Berserk MLP compared to Dead Tube. <cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote>Honestly, I've seen plenty like this and worse in manga. Ever read Dead Tube? That's indulgent as shit and goes deeply into violence and rape as a means of entertainment. Hard stuff.</quote> Oh god you read dead tube? That's the most edgelord and disgusting manga I've ever read.</quote> I agree. The only reason I kept reading was because I was curious to see how the writer could top themselves in disturbing. It's sickly fascinating, and I admit I'm not immune to that, but I still don't feel good about reading it, and I recognize that.</quote> I found out about it because author's previous horror story was alright (some terrible plot holes though) and decided to check it out. It's just nothing but edge. I've seen people call it what a 14 year old delinquent pissed at the world would make. After so much mass murder the concept just gets too ridiculous on why nobody seems to care. But I'll admit it is pretty funny how the main heroine has better healing powers than Stand users.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 10/10/18 2:21:47 PM #149:	I just chalk it up to the fact that discussing anything about rape other than the horrible, traumatizing, lasting impact it has on its victims is so taboo that people become flat out uncomfortable and look for any reason to avoid it. Stating that its distasteful is a legitimate yet easy criticism, which seems to be what people are doing. I whole heartedly disagree with slippery slope arguments, though. --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:910297786] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote>I just chalk it up to the fact that discussing anything about rape other than the horrible, traumatizing, lasting impact it has on its victims is so taboo that people become flat out uncomfortable and look for any reason to avoid it. Stating that its distasteful is a legitimate yet easy criticism, which seems to be what people are doing. I whole heartedly disagree with slippery slope arguments, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/10/18 2:25:30 PM #150:	MrPeppers posted... I just chalk it up to the fact that discussing anything about rape other than the horrible, traumatizing, lasting impact it has on its victims is so taboo that people become flat out uncomfortable and look for any reason to avoid it. Given the current social climate, can you really blame anyone for having that stance? I mean... what else is there to talk about in the context of rape? The fun? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:910297979] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote>I just chalk it up to the fact that discussing anything about rape other than the horrible, traumatizing, lasting impact it has on its victims is so taboo that people become flat out uncomfortable and look for any reason to avoid it.</quote> Given the current social climate, can you really blame anyone for having that stance? I mean... what else is there to talk about in the context of rape? The fun?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 10/10/18 2:26:19 PM #151:	Dead Tube seems interesting I might check it out --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:910298027] in new anime ... [t:77077479]...</cite> <quote>Dead Tube seems interesting I might check it out</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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