Current Events > This guy pretty much summarizes my entire opinion on this Kavanaugh thing

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The problem is that everyone wants their own truth. There's no "my truth" and "your truth", there is THE truth. And right now, we don't know what THE truth is. If you don't have enough information to determine the truth with certainty, you don't have enough information to decide who's actually right and who's wrong. You should be just as willing to accept that Ford is telling the truth as you are that Kavanaugh is innocent, and vice versa.

But here's the segue where he really hits it

In the era of social media, the truth doesn't even matter. A social media accusation completely nukes your reputation from orbit, and you have absolutely no time to respond or be vindicated unless you're exceptionally lucky (like the officer in the Sherita Dixon-Cole case). And even he is still tailed by people who think it's all a conspiracy.

Even IF the obvious reality is that you're innocent, the sheer volume of "outraged" and "offended" people will destroy your life through pure, unadulterated social media-fueled vigilante justice.

So the argument "it's not a trial", which has been used not just in Kavanaugh's case but in many other accusations as well, has no real meaning. The trial doesn't matter if the execution already happened.

This Kavanaugh thing is just a tiny piece of a much bigger, much more disturbing problem with America. That the truth doesn't matter any more. Feelings and hashtags are all that are needed to completely wreck an individual - fair or not.

It's vitally important that we stop this vigilante justice, and stop excusing its use whenever we find it politically expedient. It's never appropriate, under any context.

And likewise, deliberately using it for political gain is absolutely, unquestionably unacceptable.

When people retort with "why don't you believe women?" or "why are you defending a rapist?" they are ostensibly saying that accused individuals should no longer be afforded the most basic legal decency of presumed innocence. That's been a cornerstone of legal code since Hammurabi's Code. It's one of the most important rights we have.
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Do you ever get tired of saying the dumbest shit
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Even IF the obvious reality is that you're innocent, the sheer volume of "outraged" and "offended" people will destroy your life through pure, unadulterated social media-fueled vigilante justice.

The president and 2 out of 9 Supreme Court Justices have been accused of sexual misconduct.
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Blue_Inigo posted...

Do you ever get tired of saying the dumbest shit

No but I do get tired of digital rectal exams
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Also I think the guy is full of shit on basically every other issue that exists
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But I don't do digital rectal exams on people who are full of shit
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Coffeebeanz posted...

This Kavanaugh thing is just a tiny piece of a much bigger, much more disturbing problem with America. That the truth doesn't matter any more. Feelings and hashtags are all that are needed to completely wreck an individual - fair or not.

This has been a problem well before feelings and hashtags though, and until the day we all get biotech cameras implanted into our eyes, I don't see it going away anytime soon.

Yep. But this was never about any of that. They weaponized sexual assault claims.

In other news, here's Ashens eating Surstromming

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Coffeebeanz posted...

This Kavanaugh thing is just a tiny piece of a much bigger, much more disturbing problem with America. That the truth doesn't matter any more. Feelings and hashtags are all that are needed to completely wreck an individual - fair or not.

SJWism caused this. Notice how it's usually the most rabid far-left radicals and SJWs who employ this tactic. It's the far left that weaponizes these things in order to try to get its way.
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It's just the modern day "Salem Witch" trials.

The only difference is instead of "Witch", they just accuse you of ___ and everybody online is supposed to dog-pile, harass, and do everything to get rid of you.

If you don't agree with the angry vigilante mob, then they'll turn on you too!

It's disgusting what Social Media and modern Politics / Main Stream Media has been warped into.
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the worst part about this whole Kavanaugh thing is seeing you turn into a full-blown shitposter

Do to the that It's the winners how write history, the truth will never be known.
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Rudy Giuliani: "Truth isn't truth"
Kellyanne Conway: "Alternative facts"

Truth IS under attack in this country...but it's not by the SJWs.
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TC, case in point: Look at how a couple of the board's far-left goons are using your reasonable OP to call you a shitposter even though everything you said was reasonable.
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I see theres trolls here that dont need actual evidence to make up their mind.

Thats very disturbing
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Blue_Inigo posted...

Do you ever get tired of saying the dumbest shit

No but I do get tired of digital rectal exams

Continue on with your ignorant shitposting then
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Turtlemayor333 posted...

Rudy Giuliani: "Truth isn't truth"
Kellyanne Conway: "Alternative facts"

Truth IS under attack in this country...but it's not by the SJWs.

You're absolutely right.

Nobody seems to give a damn about the truth. Certainly not the Republicans either, who'd find excuses for Kavanaugh if the evidence had pointed to his guilt.
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RainblowDash posted...

I see theres trolls here that dont need actual evidence to make up their mind.

Thats very disturbing

It's because, in this day and age, your mind is "made up" immediately. There's no actual thinking. Cognitive dissonance is not only discouraged, it's often quite literally banned.

Being objective and reasonable is viewed as being an extremist by both sides.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

So the argument "it's not a trial", which has been used not just in Kavanaugh's case but in many other accusations as well, has no real meaning. The trial doesn't matter if the execution already happened.

That's weird because I thought being executed is the opposite of being appointed to the supreme Court
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Coffeebeanz posted...

RainblowDash posted...

I see theres trolls here that dont need actual evidence to make up their mind.

Thats very disturbing

It's because, in this day and age, your mind is "made up" immediately. There's no actual thinking. Cognitive dissonance is not only discouraged, it's often quite literally banned.

Being objective and reasonable is viewed as being an extremist by both sides.

It's a shame youre neither objective or reasonable
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It goes both ways though. People who accuse high profile people of sexual assault are also thrown under the public eye and have everything about them dug up. Imagine going through that after being raped. It's unimaginable.

Society is shit when it comes to sexual assault and there's no easy answer.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

So the argument "it's not a trial", which has been used not just in Kavanaugh's case but in many other accusations as well, has no real meaning. The trial doesn't matter if the execution already happened.

That's weird because I thought being executed is the opposite of being appointed to the supreme Court

Because he's on good graces with the ruling party. What else did you expect? Fairness to Ford? Please.
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Blue_Inigo posted...

It's a shame youre neither objective or reasonable

Funny, that's how we're viewing your attitude right now!
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Darmik posted...

It goes both ways though. People who accuse high profile people of sexual assault are also thrown under the public eye and have everything about them dug up. Imagine going through that after being raped. It's unimaginable.

Society is shit when it comes to sexual assault and there's no easy answer.

This is absolutely true, and not only that, it's absolutely VILE that people can attack Ford for an accusation that could very well be completely true.

Unless an accuser is proven to be lying, and I mean completely without-a-doubt proven, it is unacceptable to treat her like that.
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Darmik posted...

Society is shit when it comes to sexual assault and there's no easy answer.

My wife was raped at 16. Due to the fact her attacker did not leave DNA evidence on here there was no way to prosecute.

So, I fucking hate how the Right is just like, "Durrrr, if sexual assault happened, just go to the police! They are always bang on in bringing people to justice and nothing will ever happen to subvert justice!"

The number of unprosecuted sexual assaults and rape around the world is staggering, and part of that issue is the fact so many people refuse to believe that this sort of shit happens all the time.
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The number of unprosecuted sexual assaults and rape around the world is staggering, and part of that issue is the fact so many people refuse to believe that this sort of shit happens all the time.

This is absolutely true, but it is no excuse to set aside an individual's right to be presumed innocent.

You can't arbitrarily pick a person you disdain, politically or otherwise, and make a pariah of them in an effort to make social change or commentary.
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We all know what you think about this Coffee

Why do you need to make 10 different topics repeating the same thing ad nauseam
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Coffeebeanz has posted 2+ topics a day on average about something that she already had to post an "apology" topic about last week.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

This is absolutely true, but it is no excuse to set aside an individual's right to be presumed innocent.

Nobody has a right to be presumed innocent. They have a right to a jury of their peers where the burden of proof is on the prosecution to show that the defendant is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
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Calling out Coffeebeanz for making a couple topics about it but not even sneezing in Cilantro's direction when he makes 10+ topics over a single day just because they agree with those topics.

lmfao.
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Anteaterking posted...

Coffeebeanz has posted 2+ topics a day on average about something that she already had to post an "apology" topic about last week.

Lol.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Nobody has a right to be presumed innocent.

Uh

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 11, states: "Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.".
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

This is absolutely true, but it is no excuse to set aside an individual's right to be presumed innocent.

Nobody has a right to be presumed innocent. They have a right to a jury of their peers where the burden of proof is on the prosecution to show that the defendant is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

uhhhh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence

The presumption of innocence is the principle that one is considered innocent unless proven guilty. It was traditionally expressed by the Latin maxim ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies).

In many states, presumption of innocence is a legal right of the accused in a criminal trial, and it is an international human right under the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 11. Under the presumption of innocence, the legal burden of proof is thus on the prosecution, which must collect and present compelling evidence to the trier of fact. The trier of fact (a judge or a jury) is thus restrained and ordered by law to consider only actual evidence and testimony presented in court. The prosecution must, in most cases prove that the accused is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. If reasonable doubt remains, the accused must be acquitted.

Under the Justinian Codes and English common law, the accused is presumed innocent in criminal proceedings, and in civil proceedings (like breach of contract) both sides must issue proof.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Blue_Inigo posted...

It's a shame youre neither objective or reasonable

Funny, that's how we're viewing your attitude right now!

Seriously, it's just a bunch of posters making personal attacks towards her. They're doing a great job of proving her point

I see the weirdo in that YouTube video and my eyes glaze over
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Calling out Coffeebeanz for making a couple topics about it but not even sneezing in Cilantro's direction when he makes 10+ topics over a single day just because they agree with those topics.

lmfao.

All of her topics boil down to the same thing. Just getting angry that people think Kavanaugh committed sexual assault and no due process

Idk about the other guy because I dont click on his topics. They read more like bait so I dont click on them
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

This is absolutely true, but it is no excuse to set aside an individual's right to be presumed innocent.

Nobody has a right to be presumed innocent. They have a right to a jury of their peers where the burden of proof is on the prosecution to show that the defendant is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Innocent til proven guilty.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Nobody has a right to be presumed innocent.

Uh

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The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 11, states: "Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.".

Oh.

What was Kavanaugh charged with?

That's right, nothing.

Thanks for playing. Come again.
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Jesus Christ you're obsessed with this
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Nobody has a right to be presumed innocent.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment...

...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Nobody has a right to be presumed innocent.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment...

...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

"b-b-b-but it wasn't a trial!1111"
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Nobody has a right to be presumed innocent.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment...

...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

That's nice. Show me the indictment.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Nobody has a right to be presumed innocent.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment...

...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

That's nice. Show me the indictment.

For a moment I was almost thinking you were holding him to answer for an otherwise infamous crime
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EbonTitanium posted...

Innocent til proven guilty.

In everyday life, do you assume certain things because of a lack of evidence for the alternative? Almost certainly not. People judge things on a continuum of evidence, not this thresholded nonsense from the court system. Why are people so insistent on using court based logic when we're not talking about a court case here?
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Tyranthraxus posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Nobody has a right to be presumed innocent.

Uh

Image result for innocent until proven guilty
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 11, states: "Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.".

Oh.

What was Kavanaugh charged with?

That's right, nothing.

Thanks for playing. Come again.

What are you trying to say?
Since it was a senate hearing there was no actual charges and that means you can say he is guilty without proof?
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COVxy posted...

EbonTitanium posted...

Innocent til proven guilty.

In everyday life, do you assume certain things because of a lack of evidence for the alternative? Almost certainly not. People judge things on a continuum of evidence, not this thresholded nonsense from the court system. Why are people so insistent on using court based logic when we're not talking about a court case here?

Because we live in a world where justice is delivered through social media in ways that didn't exist before.

And because of that, while you can be "innocent" in a trial you can certainly be punished through public shaming.
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I think a lot of people also struggle with the idea that not being able to reach a guilty verdict doesn't mean that the man is innocent and the victim is a liar.

It just means that there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute. It could be because they're innocent but it could also be because they didn't leave enough evidence behind, the police did a bad job or many other reasons.

That's the scary thing about rape that a lot of people refuse to acknowledge. That it's pretty damn hard to prosecute people for it.

There's a whole lot of guys who only care about being accused and that's sad.
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tag
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Nobody has a right to be presumed innocent.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment...

...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

That's nice. Show me the indictment.

For a moment I was almost thinking you were holding him to answer for an otherwise infamous crime

He wasn't charged with a crime. Even if it went to court there's no telling if it would have been a misdemeanor instead of a crime.

But we never got a chance to find out.
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