Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 195: Revenge of the Clintons

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Suprak the Stud 09/28/18 2:25:14 PM #453:	Nelson_Mandela posted... StartTheMachine posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... It's absolutely incredible to hear Feinstein on a hot mic. She has no idea what is going on. lmao I'm laughing because it's true, but also because Grassley, who's running this whole thing, had even less of a clue what was going on He had some semblance but it was like listening to my grandparents try to figure out how to get to a restaurant a mile away This is a scarily accurate description of both Grassley and Feinstein. I feel like we were seconds away from their staffers telling them not to accept friend requests from people they don't know on Facebook. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:909611183] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StartTheMachine posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>It's absolutely incredible to hear Feinstein on a hot mic. She has no idea what is going on.</quote> lmao I'm laughing because it's true, but also because Grassley, who's running this whole thing, had even less of a clue what was going on</quote> He had some semblance but it was like listening to my grandparents try to figure out how to get to a restaurant a mile away</quote> This is a scarily accurate description of both Grassley and Feinstein. I feel like we were seconds away from their staffers telling them not to accept friend requests from people they don't know on Facebook.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/28/18 2:25:18 PM #454:	xp1337 posted... Still oppose term limits! Think that just prevents you from having anyone acquire any experience working in government and would actually increase corruption by speeding up the revolving door of politicians and lobbyists. philosophically it's also anti-democratic but the practical concerns are bigger for me Same --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:909611188] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>xp1337 posted...</cite> <quote>Still oppose term limits! Think that just prevents you from having anyone acquire any experience working in government and would actually increase corruption by speeding up the revolving door of politicians and lobbyists. philosophically it's also anti-democratic but the practical concerns are bigger for me</quote> Same</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 09/28/18 2:25:40 PM #455:	Eddv posted... I would be fine capping the maximum age like we do for FBI Agents. I think we should. If a 21-year-old can't run for representative, I don't see why a 70-year-old should be allowed to. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:909611201] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>I would be fine capping the maximum age like we do for FBI Agents. </quote> I think we should. If a 21-year-old can't run for representative, I don't see why a 70-year-old should be allowed to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 09/28/18 2:25:50 PM #456:	Jakyl25 posted... So this is essentially Dems getting what they asked for, from a procedural standpoint, even if it still turns out badly for them No it isn't. There is no guarantee of an investigation delay. I have no faith it will actually happen, or that flake or other swing votes will actually vote no --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:909611217] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So this is essentially Dems getting what they asked for, from a procedural standpoint, even if it still turns out badly for them</quote> No it isn't. There is no guarantee of an investigation delay. I have no faith it will actually happen, or that flake or other swing votes will actually vote no</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 09/28/18 2:26:50 PM #457:	pxlated posted... Eddv posted... I just think its ridiculous that someone like Orrin Hatch or Feinstein can serve for like 30 fucking years. Hatch has been serving for 41 years. 41 years. Hatch campaigned on term limits btw <cite>Reg posted [p:909611287] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>I just think its ridiculous that someone like Orrin Hatch or Feinstein can serve for like 30 fucking years.</quote> Hatch has been serving for 41 years. 41 years.</quote> Hatch campaigned on term limits btw</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/28/18 2:27:35 PM #458:	I think the idea of term limits in a democracy is a hilarious idea right out of Dr Strangelove We want the people to directly elect their representatives, but we dont trust them to do it properly so we need an out. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:909611333] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>I think the idea of term limits in a democracy is a hilarious idea right out of Dr Strangelove We want the people to directly elect their representatives, but we dont trust them to do it properly so we need an out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 09/28/18 2:28:29 PM #459:	Reg posted... pxlated posted... Eddv posted... I just think its ridiculous that someone like Orrin Hatch or Feinstein can serve for like 30 fucking years. Hatch has been serving for 41 years. 41 years. Hatch campaigned on term limits btw In 77? This is both hilarious and depressing. A statement which applies basically to the entirety of current politics. --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:909611369] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Reg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>I just think its ridiculous that someone like Orrin Hatch or Feinstein can serve for like 30 fucking years.</quote> Hatch has been serving for 41 years. 41 years.</quote> Hatch campaigned on term limits btw</quote> In 77? This is both hilarious and depressing. A statement which applies basically to the entirety of current politics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/28/18 2:28:37 PM #460:	Jakyl25 posted... So this is essentially Dems getting what they asked for, from a procedural standpoint, even if it still turns out badly for them Even if it doesnt end up changing the outcome its still good for the legitimacy of the court (marginally if the investigation is inconclusive, majorly in the (very unlikely imo, but in principle possible) scenario where hes shown to be innocent). --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:909611375] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So this is essentially Dems getting what they asked for, from a procedural standpoint, even if it still turns out badly for them</quote> Even if it doesnt end up changing the outcome its still good for the legitimacy of the court (marginally if the investigation is inconclusive, majorly in the (very unlikely imo, but in principle possible) scenario where hes shown to be innocent).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/28/18 2:29:23 PM #461:	pxlated posted... Jakyl25 posted... So this is essentially Dems getting what they asked for, from a procedural standpoint, even if it still turns out badly for them No it isn't. There is no guarantee of an investigation delay. I have no faith it will actually happen, or that flake or other swing votes will actually vote no Oh god if there is no investigation but Flake still votes yes I think that would be the most cowardly act in recent US political history --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:909611415] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So this is essentially Dems getting what they asked for, from a procedural standpoint, even if it still turns out badly for them</quote> No it isn't. There is no guarantee of an investigation delay. I have no faith it will actually happen, or that flake or other swing votes will actually vote no</quote> Oh god if there is no investigation but Flake still votes yes I think that would be the most cowardly act in recent US political history</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/28/18 2:30:07 PM #462:	Reg posted... pxlated posted... Eddv posted... I just think its ridiculous that someone like Orrin Hatch or Feinstein can serve for like 30 fucking years. Hatch has been serving for 41 years. 41 years. Hatch campaigned on term limits btw Maybe he wanted the limit to be 10 terms? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:909611461] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Reg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>I just think its ridiculous that someone like Orrin Hatch or Feinstein can serve for like 30 fucking years.</quote> Hatch has been serving for 41 years. 41 years.</quote> Hatch campaigned on term limits btw</quote> Maybe he wanted the limit to be 10 terms?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 09/28/18 2:30:11 PM #463:	Jakyl25 posted... I think the idea of term limits in a democracy is a hilarious idea right out of Dr Strangelove We want the people to directly elect their representatives, but we dont trust them to do it properly so we need an out. Do you support presidential term limits? What's the difference Genuine question to all of you. Not a "i think you're wrong and am trying to gotcha you" rhetorical question --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:909611467] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I think the idea of term limits in a democracy is a hilarious idea right out of Dr Strangelove We want the people to directly elect their representatives, but we dont trust them to do it properly so we need an out.</quote> Do you support presidential term limits? What's the difference Genuine question to all of you. Not a "i think you're wrong and am trying to gotcha you" rhetorical question</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 09/28/18 2:32:01 PM #464:	President term limits are dumb imo. --- Sir Chris <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:909611576] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>President term limits are dumb imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 09/28/18 2:32:04 PM #465:	pxlated posted... Jakyl25 posted... I think the idea of term limits in a democracy is a hilarious idea right out of Dr Strangelove We want the people to directly elect their representatives, but we dont trust them to do it properly so we need an out. Do you support presidential term limits? What's the difference Genuine question to all of you. Not a "i think you're wrong and am trying to gotcha you" rhetorical question No, I don't. I thought that was implied by me saying I opposed term limits! --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:909611578] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I think the idea of term limits in a democracy is a hilarious idea right out of Dr Strangelove We want the people to directly elect their representatives, but we dont trust them to do it properly so we need an out.</quote> Do you support presidential term limits? What's the difference Genuine question to all of you. Not a "i think you're wrong and am trying to gotcha you" rhetorical question</quote> No, I don't. I thought that was implied by me saying I opposed term limits!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 09/28/18 2:32:30 PM #466:	Jakyl25 posted... pxlated posted... Jakyl25 posted... So this is essentially Dems getting what they asked for, from a procedural standpoint, even if it still turns out badly for them No it isn't. There is no guarantee of an investigation delay. I have no faith it will actually happen, or that flake or other swing votes will actually vote no Oh god if there is no investigation but Flake still votes yes I think that would be the most cowardly act in recent US political history I am impressed you seem to have any amount of faith left. --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:909611609] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So this is essentially Dems getting what they asked for, from a procedural standpoint, even if it still turns out badly for them</quote> No it isn't. There is no guarantee of an investigation delay. I have no faith it will actually happen, or that flake or other swing votes will actually vote no</quote> Oh god if there is no investigation but Flake still votes yes I think that would be the most cowardly act in recent US political history</quote> I am impressed you seem to have any amount of faith left.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 09/28/18 2:32:53 PM #467:	I think term limits are good just because its hard to make progress if you have the same people with the same ideas governing for 30 years, even if theyre good at what they do. Im not sure what the right number is, but I personally dont feel it does anyone any good to have someone in the same position for that long. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:909611637] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>I think term limits are good just because its hard to make progress if you have the same people with the same ideas governing for 30 years, even if theyre good at what they do. Im not sure what the right number is, but I personally dont feel it does anyone any good to have someone in the same position for that long.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 09/28/18 2:33:05 PM #468:	Jakyl25 posted... I think the idea of term limits in a democracy is a hilarious idea right out of Dr Strangelove We want the people to directly elect their representatives, but we dont trust them to do it properly so we need an out. On the one hand I get it - I fully believe we would be in the middle of Obama 3 right now if not for limits and that would probably have been for the best. On the other hand gestures to the octogenarians on the judiciary committee and Feinstein is up for Re election! And is probably going to win! --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 <cite>Eddv posted [p:909611648] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I think the idea of term limits in a democracy is a hilarious idea right out of Dr Strangelove We want the people to directly elect their representatives, but we dont trust them to do it properly so we need an out.</quote> On the one hand I get it - I fully believe we would be in the middle of Obama 3 right now if not for limits and that would probably have been for the best. On the other hand gestures to the octogenarians on the judiciary committee and Feinstein is up for Re election! And is probably going to win!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/28/18 2:33:54 PM #469:	pxlated posted... Jakyl25 posted... I think the idea of term limits in a democracy is a hilarious idea right out of Dr Strangelove We want the people to directly elect their representatives, but we dont trust them to do it properly so we need an out. Do you support presidential term limits? What's the difference Genuine question to all of you. Not a "i think you're wrong and am trying to gotcha you" rhetorical question I dont support democracy in general, but given that its the system were working under, no, I dont support Presidential term limits. It makes no sense. (I know the office of President is not actually elected democratically, but lets for sake of simplifying this argument assume it is) --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:909611692] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I think the idea of term limits in a democracy is a hilarious idea right out of Dr Strangelove We want the people to directly elect their representatives, but we dont trust them to do it properly so we need an out.</quote> Do you support presidential term limits? What's the difference Genuine question to all of you. Not a "i think you're wrong and am trying to gotcha you" rhetorical question</quote> I dont support democracy in general, but given that its the system were working under, no, I dont support Presidential term limits. It makes no sense. (I know the office of President is not actually elected democratically, but lets for sake of simplifying this argument assume it is)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 09/28/18 2:33:58 PM #470:	pxlated posted... Reg posted... pxlated posted... Eddv posted... I just think its ridiculous that someone like Orrin Hatch or Feinstein can serve for like 30 fucking years. Hatch has been serving for 41 years. 41 years. Hatch campaigned on term limits btw In 77? This is both hilarious and depressing. A statement which applies basically to the entirety of current politics. Yep. "What do you call a Senator who's served in office for 18 years? You call him home." was literally his slogan too. Fucking scumbag tbh <cite>Reg posted [p:909611697] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Reg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote>I just think its ridiculous that someone like Orrin Hatch or Feinstein can serve for like 30 fucking years.</quote> Hatch has been serving for 41 years. 41 years.</quote> Hatch campaigned on term limits btw</quote> In 77? This is both hilarious and depressing. A statement which applies basically to the entirety of current politics.</quote> Yep. "What do you call a Senator who's served in office for 18 years? You call him home." was literally his slogan too. Fucking scumbag tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/28/18 2:34:30 PM #471:	Eddv posted... On the other hand gestures to the octogenarians on the judiciary committee and Feinstein is up for Re election! And is probably going to win! Hence why direct democracy is a really poor idea --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:909611731] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eddv posted...</cite> <quote> On the other hand gestures to the octogenarians on the judiciary committee and Feinstein is up for Re election! And is probably going to win!</quote> Hence why direct democracy is a really poor idea</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/28/18 2:34:49 PM #472:	There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power). --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:909611756] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/28/18 2:35:52 PM #473:	Jakyl25 posted... pxlated posted... Jakyl25 posted... So this is essentially Dems getting what they asked for, from a procedural standpoint, even if it still turns out badly for them No it isn't. There is no guarantee of an investigation delay. I have no faith it will actually happen, or that flake or other swing votes will actually vote no Oh god if there is no investigation but Flake still votes yes I think that would be the most cowardly act in recent US political history Unlikely but real possibility: Flake stands his ground but the GOP can whip 50 votes anyway and bypass him. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:909611817] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pxlated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>So this is essentially Dems getting what they asked for, from a procedural standpoint, even if it still turns out badly for them</quote> No it isn't. There is no guarantee of an investigation delay. I have no faith it will actually happen, or that flake or other swing votes will actually vote no</quote> Oh god if there is no investigation but Flake still votes yes I think that would be the most cowardly act in recent US political history</quote> Unlikely but real possibility: Flake stands his ground but the GOP can whip 50 votes anyway and bypass him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/28/18 2:38:00 PM #474:	LordoftheMorons posted... There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power). True in reality but not under constitutional originalism, ironically I dont respect the Constitution as some divine document that we need to respect at all costs, but I do think the framers generally got separation of powers correct --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:909611953] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power).</quote> True in reality but not under constitutional originalism, ironically I dont respect the Constitution as some divine document that we need to respect at all costs, but I do think the framers generally got separation of powers correct</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/28/18 2:38:38 PM #475:	...Murkowski has just said shes backing Flakes call for an FBI investigation though, so I guess that scenario just got much less likely: https://twitter.com/steventdennis/status/1045744066296770560?s=21 --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:909611987] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>...Murkowski has just said shes backing Flakes call for an FBI investigation though, so I guess that scenario just got much less likely: https://twitter.com/steventdennis/status/1045744066296770560?s=21</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroicSpiderPig 09/28/18 2:40:20 PM #476:	There's a difference between Presidential and Legislative term limits. The President has massive power. Individual legislators do not. --- Yesmar <cite>HeroicSpiderPig posted [p:909612091] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>There's a difference between Presidential and Legislative term limits. The President has massive power. Individual legislators do not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eddv 09/28/18 2:41:21 PM #477:	Jakyl25 posted... LordoftheMorons posted... There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power). True in reality but not under constitutional originalism, ironically I dont respect the Constitution as some divine document that we need to respect at all costs, but I do think the framers generally got separation of powers correct Here's my favorite thing about originalism: the writers of the constitution were directly involved in tossing it out. Marbury v Madison is case law giving the court powers that don't appear in the constitution. Literally the founders were in favor of the living document theory - which makes sense since all involved were British lawyers and the British 'constitution' is the same sort of beast. --- Board 8's Voice of Reason https://imgur.com/chXIw06 <cite>Eddv posted [p:909612140] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power).</quote> True in reality but not under constitutional originalism, ironically I dont respect the Constitution as some divine document that we need to respect at all costs, but I do think the framers generally got separation of powers correct</quote> Here's my favorite thing about originalism: the writers of the constitution were directly involved in tossing it out. Marbury v Madison is case law giving the court powers that don't appear in the constitution. Literally the founders were in favor of the living document theory - which makes sense since all involved were British lawyers and the British 'constitution' is the same sort of beast.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/28/18 2:42:39 PM #478:	Jakyl25 posted... LordoftheMorons posted... There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power). True in reality but not under constitutional originalism, ironically I dont respect the Constitution as some divine document that we need to respect at all costs, but I do think the framers generally got separation of powers correct Its not just because of any imbalance in the power of branches of government; its also because the president is a single person instead of many. Suppose a simple model wheee term limits are bad 80% of the time and good 20% of the time (or something), and there are like 20 Senators for which theyd be relevant. Its very unlikely that that nets to being bad in the Senate (much less the House with more than four times as many members), but the probability is not negligible for the Presidency. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:909612207] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power).</quote> True in reality but not under constitutional originalism, ironically I dont respect the Constitution as some divine document that we need to respect at all costs, but I do think the framers generally got separation of powers correct</quote> Its not just because of any imbalance in the power of branches of government; its also because the president is a single person instead of many. Suppose a simple model wheee term limits are bad 80% of the time and good 20% of the time (or something), and there are like 20 Senators for which theyd be relevant. Its very unlikely that that nets to being bad in the Senate (much less the House with more than four times as many members), but the probability is not negligible for the Presidency.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 09/28/18 2:43:07 PM #479:	I definitely understand the arguments against limits. And honestly i question my own desire for them. I think, though, that there are inherent psychological issues both with having power for long stretches of time and being inundated in the political machine for long stretches of time. I'm not advocating for 2 term limits or anything that brief, but i think spending too long on that machine makes you too out of touch and has too much potential for corruption. A reasonable upper limit (something like 4 terms on a 6 year term, 24 years maybe) would give people plenty of time to do their thing, make their mark, etc, whilst keeping fresh perspectives and preventing too much of the most powerful positions being held by people who no longer remember what it's like to not be a part of that machine. --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:909612242] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>I definitely understand the arguments against limits. And honestly i question my own desire for them. I think, though, that there are inherent psychological issues both with having power for long stretches of time and being inundated in the political machine for long stretches of time. I'm not advocating for 2 term limits or anything that brief, but i think spending too long on that machine makes you too out of touch and has too much potential for corruption. A reasonable upper limit (something like 4 terms on a 6 year term, 24 years maybe) would give people plenty of time to do their thing, make their mark, etc, whilst keeping fresh perspectives and preventing too much of the most powerful positions being held by people who no longer remember what it's like to not be a part of that machine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 09/28/18 2:45:12 PM #480:	LordoftheMorons posted... Jakyl25 posted... LordoftheMorons posted... There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power). True in reality but not under constitutional originalism, ironically I dont respect the Constitution as some divine document that we need to respect at all costs, but I do think the framers generally got separation of powers correct Its not just because of any imbalance in the power of branches of government; its also because the president is a single person instead of many. Suppose a simple model wheee term limits are bad 80% of the time and good 20% of the time (or something), and there are like 20 Senators for which theyd be relevant. Its very unlikely that that nets to being bad in the Senate (much less the House with more than four times as many members), but the probability is not negligible for the Presidency. There might not be proportionally many it applies to, but the ones that do often hold higher seats of authority, such as grassley and feinstein at the head of the judiciary committee --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:909612373] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power).</quote> True in reality but not under constitutional originalism, ironically I dont respect the Constitution as some divine document that we need to respect at all costs, but I do think the framers generally got separation of powers correct</quote> Its not just because of any imbalance in the power of branches of government; its also because the president is a single person instead of many. Suppose a simple model wheee term limits are bad 80% of the time and good 20% of the time (or something), and there are like 20 Senators for which theyd be relevant. Its very unlikely that that nets to being bad in the Senate (much less the House with more than four times as many members), but the probability is not negligible for the Presidency.</quote> There might not be proportionally many it applies to, but the ones that do often hold higher seats of authority, such as grassley and feinstein at the head of the judiciary committee</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/28/18 2:45:58 PM #481:	I just dont get how you can have a model where we insist people vote for their own representatives but then dont trust them fully with that power --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:909612408] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>I just dont get how you can have a model where we insist people vote for their own representatives but then dont trust them fully with that power</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 09/28/18 2:46:14 PM #482:	LordoftheMorons posted... There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power). i'd argue that at least the president has great visibility to the public, while congress has less visibility so they get ruled by mentally incapacitated octogenarians for generations --- https://imgtc.com/i/1LkkaGU.jpg somethin somethin hung somethin horse somethin <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:909612430] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power).</quote> i'd argue that at least the president has great visibility to the public, while congress has less visibility so they get ruled by mentally incapacitated octogenarians for generations</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/28/18 2:47:38 PM #483:	CelesMyUserName posted... LordoftheMorons posted... There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power). i'd argue that at least the president has great visibility to the public, while congress has less visibility so they get ruled by mentally incapacitated octogenarians for generations Which Senators do you think are "mentally incapacitated" --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:909612517] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power).</quote> i'd argue that at least the president has great visibility to the public, while congress has less visibility so they get ruled by mentally incapacitated octogenarians for generations</quote> Which Senators do you think are "mentally incapacitated"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mnkboy907 09/28/18 2:47:38 PM #484:	Jakyl25 posted... I just dont get how you can have a model where we insist people vote for their own representatives but then dont trust them fully with that power What if it was put on a ballot and people voted for term limits? --- BK_Sheikah? More like BYIG_Sheikah. https://imgur.com/gw03gl7 - Number of people that D'awwed: 102 <cite>mnkboy907 posted [p:909612518] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I just dont get how you can have a model where we insist people vote for their own representatives but then dont trust them fully with that power</quote> What if it was put on a ballot and people voted for term limits?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 09/28/18 2:48:32 PM #485:	Jakyl25 posted... I just dont get how you can have a model where we insist people vote for their own representatives but then dont trust them fully with that power frankly no powers should ever be trusted fully --- https://imgtc.com/i/1LkkaGU.jpg somethin somethin hung somethin horse somethin <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:909612574] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I just dont get how you can have a model where we insist people vote for their own representatives but then dont trust them fully with that power</quote> frankly no powers should ever be trusted fully</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/28/18 2:49:32 PM #486:	Corrik posted... CelesMyUserName posted... LordoftheMorons posted... There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power). i'd argue that at least the president has great visibility to the public, while congress has less visibility so they get ruled by mentally incapacitated octogenarians for generations Which Senators do you think are "mentally incapacitated" Probably all the octogenarians --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:909612616] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power).</quote> i'd argue that at least the president has great visibility to the public, while congress has less visibility so they get ruled by mentally incapacitated octogenarians for generations</quote> Which Senators do you think are "mentally incapacitated"</quote> Probably all the octogenarians</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/28/18 2:50:40 PM #487:	mnkboy907 posted... Jakyl25 posted... I just dont get how you can have a model where we insist people vote for their own representatives but then dont trust them fully with that power What if it was put on a ballot and people voted for term limits? This is a fun logical absurdity. I love it! I would laugh and say hey, they wanted it. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:909612686] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>mnkboy907 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I just dont get how you can have a model where we insist people vote for their own representatives but then dont trust them fully with that power</quote> What if it was put on a ballot and people voted for term limits?</quote> This is a fun logical absurdity. I love it! I would laugh and say hey, they wanted it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 09/28/18 2:51:34 PM #488:	Jakyl25 posted... I just dont get how you can have a model where we insist people vote for their own representatives but then dont trust them fully with that power Because of a whole lot of psychology i'm too tired to get into. --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:909612741] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>I just dont get how you can have a model where we insist people vote for their own representatives but then dont trust them fully with that power</quote> Because of a whole lot of psychology i'm too tired to get into.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/28/18 2:52:26 PM #489:	Jakyl25 posted... Corrik posted... CelesMyUserName posted... LordoftheMorons posted... There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power). i'd argue that at least the president has great visibility to the public, while congress has less visibility so they get ruled by mentally incapacitated octogenarians for generations Which Senators do you think are "mentally incapacitated" Probably all the octogenarians Sounds like you are discriminating by age. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:909612789] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CelesMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>There are much bigger potential downsides to limitless presidential terms than limitless legislative terms (because the President has a ton more power).</quote> i'd argue that at least the president has great visibility to the public, while congress has less visibility so they get ruled by mentally incapacitated octogenarians for generations</quote> Which Senators do you think are "mentally incapacitated"</quote> Probably all the octogenarians</quote> Sounds like you are discriminating by age.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pxlated 09/28/18 2:52:28 PM #490:	I will concede that an upper age limit is probably more appropriate/agreeable, though. --- [various robot sounds] <cite>pxlated posted [p:909612791] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>I will concede that an upper age limit is probably more appropriate/agreeable, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/28/18 3:00:13 PM #491:	You don't get to serve in the Senate for 41 years by being mentally incapacitated. Long live the Senate. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:909613190] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>You don't get to serve in the Senate for 41 years by being mentally incapacitated. Long live the Senate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/28/18 3:02:34 PM #492:	Yeah the effects are definitly not linear like I was implying in my simplified model (though I was kinda cheating by implicitly using nonlinearity to claim that one bad non-term limited president could be a bad trade for four good non-term limited presidents). What I do know is that the consensus from experts on term limits in state legislatures has been that they hurt more than help. Its possible that the calculus may be different for long term limits (say 18 years in the Senate or something?), but Im very thankful that Trump will definitely not be president in February 2025 --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:909613312] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>Yeah the effects are definitly not linear like I was implying in my simplified model (though I was kinda cheating by implicitly using nonlinearity to claim that one bad non-term limited president could be a bad trade for four good non-term limited presidents). What I do know is that the consensus from experts on term limits in state legislatures has been that they hurt more than help. Its possible that the calculus may be different for long term limits (say 18 years in the Senate or something?), but Im very thankful that Trump will definitely not be president in February 2025</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/28/18 3:08:20 PM #493:	LordoftheMorons posted... Yeah the effects are definitly not linear like I was implying in my simplified model (though I was kinda cheating by implicitly using nonlinearity to claim that one bad non-term limited president could be a bad trade for four good non-term limited presidents). What I do know is that the consensus from experts on term limits in state legislatures has been that they hurt more than help. Its possible that the calculus may be different for long term limits (say 18 years in the Senate or something?), but Im very thankful that Trump will definitely not be president in February 2025 2025 is a long way away. We only need 38 states to make it happen. We could do it with 38 states with a minority of the country's population, even. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:909613601] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah the effects are definitly not linear like I was implying in my simplified model (though I was kinda cheating by implicitly using nonlinearity to claim that one bad non-term limited president could be a bad trade for four good non-term limited presidents). What I do know is that the consensus from experts on term limits in state legislatures has been that they hurt more than help. Its possible that the calculus may be different for long term limits (say 18 years in the Senate or something?), but Im very thankful that Trump will definitely not be president in February 2025</quote> 2025 is a long way away. We only need 38 states to make it happen. We could do it with 38 states with a minority of the country's population, even.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 09/28/18 3:15:46 PM #494:	LordoftheMorons posted... Im very thankful that rump will definitely not be president in February 2025 --- https://imgtc.com/i/1LkkaGU.jpg somethin somethin hung somethin horse somethin <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:909614015] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote> Im very thankful that rump will definitely not be president in February 2025</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/28/18 3:16:33 PM #495:	I think at that point we would literally be living in the movie Idiocracy --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:909614057] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>I think at that point we would literally be living in the movie Idiocracy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/28/18 3:16:49 PM #496:	Oh god --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:909614069] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>Oh god</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 09/28/18 3:28:22 PM #497:	LordoftheMorons posted... but Im very thankful that Trump will definitely not be president in February 2025 Just wait until Trump loses in 2020, then wins in 2024 when everybody blames the new president for everything Trump did. --- Congrats to 2017 Guru champ BKSheikah! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:909614673] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>but Im very thankful that Trump will definitely not be president in February 2025</quote> Just wait until Trump loses in 2020, then wins in 2024 when everybody blames the new president for everything Trump did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 09/28/18 3:42:16 PM #498:	6 years is a long time to live for a man that fat living on nothing but cheeseburgers and impotent rage --- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:909615428] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>6 years is a long time to live for a man that fat living on nothing but cheeseburgers and impotent rage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/28/18 3:48:01 PM #499:	I thought Trump was declaring himself President for life. --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:909615751] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>I thought Trump was declaring himself President for life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik 09/28/18 3:48:07 PM #500:	Womp womp --- LoL ID = imajericho XBL GT = Corrik <cite>Corrik posted [p:909615756] in Politics C... [t:77045806]...</cite> <quote>Womp womp</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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