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FrndNhbrHdCEman
09/05/18 3:08:46 PM
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Do you think the 25th amendment fits here? Aka Removal for incompetence - Results (2 votes)
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If you take seriously the revelations in Bob Woodwards book Fear and how can you not, given Woodwards nearly half-century of scoops about Washingtons elite? then its time for President Trump to be removed from office via the 25th Amendment because he is clearly unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. That will never happen, because the Cabinet is packed with Trump toadies who compete with each other to deliver the most fawning praise of their supreme leader. But on the merits, it should happen.

Of course, it doesnt take Woodwards revelations to demonstrate Trumps unfitness for office. Trump demonstrates it on a daily basis with his campaign-rally rants and Twitter tirades. Just in the past day, the president has demanded that the Justice Department drop criminal investigations against his supporters because it could cost Republicans House seats, and suggested that NBC lose its broadcast license because, in essence, he objects to the criticism he receives on MSNBC. A senior Justice Department official told Axios: It shows how POTUS thinks DOJ should be used: As a weapon against enemies and a tool to win elections. In a normal world a world where Congress was not controlled by blind Republican partisans the fact that Trump continues to make demands so at odds with the rule of law would be cause for his impeachment and removal.

But even if Woodward doesnt break ground in conceptual terms, he does provide damning new evidence to buttress what we already know that after more than 18 months in office, Trump is just as unqualified as ever to be president. Even Republicans know it. They just choose to deny it, because it would be too dangerous to their political well-being to admit reality.

Some of what Woodward reports has long been rumored in Washington, but he appears to have nailed down with his reporting the evidence showing that Trump had to be talked out of pulling U.S. troops out of South Korea and Afghanistan, planning a preventive strike against North Korea, assassinating Bashar al-Assad of Syria, and tearing up the North American Free Trade Agreement and the U.S.-Korea Free Trade Agreement. Aides had to resort to sleight of hand to prevent the worst from happening including removing papers from Trumps desk before he signed them.

Woodward also reveals a new example of Trumps dim-wittedness: The president apparently thought that Sen. John McCain had been a coward for taking early release from a prisoner-of-war camp in Vietnam because of his fathers military rank and leaving others behind. Maybe Trump genuinely thought McCain wasnt a hero because he had no understanding of what McCain had done? Defense Secretary Jim Mattis had to gently explain to Trump that youve got it reversed.

Little wonder that Woodward quotes Mattis telling associates that the president acted like and had the understanding of a fifth- or sixth-grader. Or that Chief of Staff John F. Kelly reportedly said of Trump: Hes an idiot. Its pointless to try to convince him of anything. Hes gone off the rails. Were in Crazytown. There is also ample evidence to buttress economic adviser Gary Cohns conclusion that Trump is a professional liar. Trump even lied in a telephone conversation with Woodward, denying any knowledge that the veteran reporter wanted to interview him before admitting that Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) had relayed the request.

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FrndNhbrHdCEman
09/05/18 3:09:31 PM
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Trump, in turn, belittles his senior aides in ways that would be shocking coming from anybody else. He made fun of retired Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, a war hero, for dressing in cheap suits like a beer salesman. If only McMaster had devoted his life to selling real estate rather than protecting our nation, he would presumably have more of a suit-buying budget. And, not surprisingly, Trump was even more scathing about Attorney General Jeff Sessions in private than he is public. Acting just like the coastal elites he so often denigrates (but actually envies), Trump mocked Sessionss accent and said, This guy is mentally r*******. Hes this dumb Southerner. He couldnt even be a one-person country lawyer down in Alabama.

Imagine the outcry among Republicans if Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama had been caught making fun of Sessionss accent and intelligence. But from Republicans all you hear is the sound of silence.

These revelations will be greeted among Republicans not as a sign of Trumps unfitness for office which they are but as more evidence of a conspiracy among the fake news media against their electoral hero. That is the genius of Trumps attacks on the press and on truth itself: He has largely inoculated his base against all of the damaging revelations that continue to emerge about the most corrupt and dysfunctional administration in U.S. history. And by keeping the support of his base (78 percent of Republicans approve of him in a recent Washington Post-ABC News poll), Trump protects himself from removal either via the 25th Amendment or the Article II impeachment process.

Kelly is right. We really are in Crazytown. But Trump is far from the craziest person in town. His defects are no secret they were obvious before his election. The really crazy people are the Republicans who think we should continue to entrust a man manifestly unfit to be Queens Borough president with the presidency of the United States of America.


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Cacciato
09/05/18 3:19:22 PM
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Books like these are literally some of the only positives of this administration. I cant wait to read some of these memoirs that come out as soon as he leaves office just to get actual insight into how batshit crazy Trump actually is.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
09/05/18 3:22:15 PM
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Cacciato posted...
Books like these are literally some of the only positives of this administration. I cant wait to read some of these memoirs that come out as soon as he leaves office just to get actual insight into how batshit crazy Trump actually is.

Ya know it's gonna be bananas. Ya know he steals office supplies.
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Mead
09/05/18 4:00:23 PM
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I want a Were in crazy town t shirt
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Andromicus
09/05/18 4:36:55 PM
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But the stock market is up
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EvilMegas
09/05/18 4:47:12 PM
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Mead posted...
I want a Were in crazy town t shirt

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Fierce_Deity_08
09/05/18 4:50:59 PM
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All this book proves is that only morons can get books published while us real authors have to try for years.
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Cacciato
09/05/18 4:59:29 PM
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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...
All this book proves is that only morons can get books published while us real authors have to try for years.

...the author has been in journalism since Watergate, so maybe not the best example.
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knivesX2004
09/05/18 5:11:28 PM
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Trump got so triggered he cancelled all his meetings and is only calling friends from his office.
What a fucking snowflake.
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streamofthesky
09/05/18 6:12:53 PM
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Yes, it warrants it. But no, I don't want him impeached via the 25th amendment.
Then we get President Mike Pence.
If he's to be impeached, it has to be for Russia collusion, campaign money laundering, or one of the other myriad things that he should be impeached over, as those tie into the Trump/Pence campaign itself and would bring down Pence with him.
I do not want the Christian Taliban running this country.

Andromicus posted...
But the stock market is up

Probably Obama's biggest blunder after not sharing the facts about how Russia had influenced the election ('tis better to get an awful result than let people know the electoral system was undermined so they lose faith in the system...yeah....) was not pushing for faster interest rate hikes in the final months of his presidency, to hasten the inevitable bubble burst early in his successor's term.
If Clinton won, she can (fairly) blame it on Obama since the crash happened so soon.
If Trump won, he at least wouldn't get to take credit for the market run up the Obama and Bush Jr. Federal Reserve had orchestrated.
It's crashing this presidential term regardless, the slow trickle of increases is just delaying the inevitable.

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FrndNhbrHdCEman
09/07/18 3:11:12 AM
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Mead posted...
I want a Were in crazy town t shirt

Omg I need this,

Cacciato posted...
Fierce_Deity_08 posted...
All this book proves is that only morons can get books published while us real authors have to try for years.

...the author has been in journalism since Watergate, so maybe not the best example.

Lmao. Rite?

knivesX2004 posted...
Trump got so triggered he cancelled all his meetings and is only calling friends from his office.
What a fucking snowflake.

He's gotta cry somewhere.

streamofthesky posted...
Yes, it warrants it. But no, I don't want him impeached via the 25th amendment.
Then we get President Mike Pence.
If he's to be impeached, it has to be for Russia collusion, campaign money laundering, or one of the other myriad things that he should be impeached over, as those tie into the Trump/Pence campaign itself and would bring down Pence with him.
I do not want the Christian Taliban running this country.

Totally with ya there.
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SunWuKung420
09/07/18 9:19:21 AM
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The whole system is buggered. I'm thinking Bethesda programmed it.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
09/08/18 4:07:30 AM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
The whole system is buggered. I'm thinking Bethesda programmed it.

Trump would have a better backstory.
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Muscles
09/08/18 4:09:56 AM
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I can't be the only one that thinks pence would be even worse
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
09/08/18 4:13:09 AM
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Muscles posted...
I can't be the only one that thinks pence would be even worse

Most def he would. Doesn't mean ya give up.
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Nade Duck
09/08/18 5:07:26 AM
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
The whole system is buggered. I'm thinking Bethesda programmed it.

Trump would have a better backstory.

maybe if they let oblivion do the writing.
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SolidSonicEX
09/08/18 7:21:23 AM
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The problem, as I see it, is like Operation Valkyrie from World War II. Trump packed his administration with too many sycophants so if youre going to hope to have any impact, itll probably require them to clear the deck entirely, which is impossible.
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Entity13
09/08/18 7:32:01 AM
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
The whole system is buggered. I'm thinking Bethesda programmed it.

Trump would have a better backstory.


In that case Square Enix made it. The graphics are beyond real, and we can't seem to skip the cutscene no matter how many times we press our buttons, but good gods what a mess this story and the characters are!
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TheOrangeMisfit
09/08/18 10:05:47 AM
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Imagine if people took their obsession against Trump and used it for something productive. Like it or not, you've got 7 more years of him, better get used to it.
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faramir77
09/08/18 1:12:01 PM
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I still hold my belief that Trump is a cocaine addict. Some people think it's dementia.
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gguirao
09/08/18 1:15:34 PM
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If not now, when?
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SunWuKung420
09/08/18 1:48:15 PM
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TheOrangeMisfit posted...
Like it or not, you've got 7 more years of him, better get used to it.


The delusion needed to think he's going to be reelected is tremendous.
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InfernalFive
09/08/18 1:50:13 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
TheOrangeMisfit posted...
Like it or not, you've got 7 more years of him, better get used to it.


The delusion needed to think he's going to be reelected is tremendous.

It could very well happen. You're underestimating how dumb people can be.
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Zareth
09/08/18 1:52:52 PM
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InfernalFive posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
TheOrangeMisfit posted...
Like it or not, you've got 7 more years of him, better get used to it.


The delusion needed to think he's going to be reelected is tremendous.

It could very well happen. You're underestimating how dumb people can be.

Yeah, thinking he would win the first time was considered delusional 2 years ago.
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Cacciato
09/08/18 2:05:11 PM
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TheOrangeMisfit posted...
Imagine if people took their obsession against Trump and used it for something productive. Like it or not, you've got 7 more years of him, better get used to it.

Didnt make it very far in math class, did you?
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OhhhJa
09/08/18 2:18:21 PM
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faramir77 posted...
I still hold my belief that Trump is a cocaine addict. Some people think it's dementia.

If he was a coke head, it would've come out already. No way a massive coke head under that much public scrutiny could get away with it
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Kyuubi4269
09/08/18 2:27:07 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
faramir77 posted...
I still hold my belief that Trump is a cocaine addict. Some people think it's dementia.

If he was a coke head, it would've come out already. No way a massive coke head under that much public scrutiny could get away with it

Man's actually a class-A genius, he only reduces to Trump persona under the weight of cocaine in his coat.
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ifnsman
09/08/18 3:02:25 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Yes, it warrants it. But no, I don't want him impeached via the 25th amendment.
Then we get President Mike Pence.
If he's to be impeached, it has to be for Russia collusion, campaign money laundering, or one of the other myriad things that he should be impeached over, as those tie into the Trump/Pence campaign itself and would bring down Pence with him.
I do not want the Christian Taliban running this country.


Yes. This.

If/when Trump falls, Pence has to go down with him.
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Mead
09/08/18 4:04:18 PM
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Pence is even more of a lame duck than Trump
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TheOrangeMisfit
09/08/18 4:05:17 PM
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Cacciato posted...
TheOrangeMisfit posted...
Imagine if people took their obsession against Trump and used it for something productive. Like it or not, you've got 7 more years of him, better get used to it.

Didnt make it very far in math class, did you?


If you're gonna be my obsessive stalker, could you try to be a little nicer?
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streamofthesky
09/08/18 4:07:35 PM
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Mead posted...
Pence is even more of a lame duck than Trump

The House, Senate, and judiciary are all controlled by Republicans/conservatives.

You have a very odd definition of "lame duck." He could do a lot of damage if president.
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Mead
09/08/18 4:10:19 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Mead posted...
Pence is even more of a lame duck than Trump

The House, Senate, and judiciary are all controlled by Republicans/conservatives.

You have a very odd definition of "lame duck." He could do a lot of damage if president.


Theyve held everything under Trump and he hasnt done shit, and things are gonna change come November

The pendulum is swinging back hard
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ClarkDuke
09/08/18 4:26:08 PM
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InfernalFive posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
TheOrangeMisfit posted...
Like it or not, you've got 7 more years of him, better get used to it.


The delusion needed to think he's going to be reelected is tremendous.

It could very well happen. You're underestimating how dumb people can be.

Exactly, look at Zeus, ok?
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streamofthesky
09/08/18 4:55:33 PM
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Mead posted...
streamofthesky posted...
Mead posted...
Pence is even more of a lame duck than Trump

The House, Senate, and judiciary are all controlled by Republicans/conservatives.

You have a very odd definition of "lame duck." He could do a lot of damage if president.


Theyve held everything under Trump and he hasnt done shit, and things are gonna change come November

The pendulum is swinging back hard

Trump's done plenty. Have you been asleep? His impact on the judiciary alone will be fucking us over for the next 30+ years.
His tax cut for the rich is spiraling us into crippling debt that Republicans will use to justify cutting social services. Our economy is booming (thanks, Obama!), the interest we pay on our debt is tiny, and yet we still have massive deficits. What''s going to happen when the economy crashes and interest rates are higher?
He's also dismantled environmental policies and taken a hacksaw to provisions of the Affordable Care Act that will slowly doom it.

And the only reason he hasn't done more damage is because he's so incompetent and picking fights with various interests for no reason, which occupies his attention.
All the damage he's done was stuff written by far right interests that he rubber stamped. The only thing that's kept it from being more is his own dysfunction. Pence and McConnell would be on the exact same page.
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Cacciato
09/08/18 11:13:12 PM
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TheOrangeMisfit posted...
Cacciato posted...
TheOrangeMisfit posted...
Imagine if people took their obsession against Trump and used it for something productive. Like it or not, you've got 7 more years of him, better get used to it.

Didnt make it very far in math class, did you?


If you're gonna be my obsessive stalker, could you try to be a little nicer?

Only if you take a refresher course.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
09/10/18 3:31:24 PM
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Nade Duck posted...
The problem, as I see it, is like Operation Valkyrie from World War II. Trump packed his administration with too many sycophants so if youre going to hope to have any impact, itll probably require them to clear the deck entirely, which is impossible.

Yup. A cuck convention.

Entity13 posted...
FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
The whole system is buggered. I'm thinking Bethesda programmed it.

Trump would have a better backstory.


In that case Square Enix made it. The graphics are beyond real, and we can't seem to skip the cutscene no matter how many times we press our buttons, but good gods what a mess this story and the characters are!

Lol.
faramir77 posted...
I still hold my belief that Trump is a cocaine addict. Some people think it's dementia.

Why not both?
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
09/10/18 3:39:33 PM
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InfernalFive posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
TheOrangeMisfit posted...
Like it or not, you've got 7 more years of him, better get used to it.


The delusion needed to think he's going to be reelected is tremendous.

It could very well happen. You're underestimating how dumb people can be.

Peeps still deny Regan had dementia.

Cacciato posted...
TheOrangeMisfit posted...
Imagine if people took their obsession against Trump and used it for something productive. Like it or not, you've got 7 more years of him, better get used to it.

Didnt make it very far in math class, did you?

Lol.
OhhhJa posted...
faramir77 posted...
I still hold my belief that Trump is a cocaine addict. Some people think it's dementia.

If he was a coke head, it would've come out already. No way a massive coke head under that much public scrutiny could get away with it

You're underestimating the sycophants.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
09/10/18 3:42:34 PM
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ClarkDuke posted...
InfernalFive posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
TheOrangeMisfit posted...
Like it or not, you've got 7 more years of him, better get used to it.


The delusion needed to think he's going to be reelected is tremendous.

It could very well happen. You're underestimating how dumb people can be.

Exactly, look at Zeus, ok?

Dayum aculo. Spit on it at least.
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