Current Events > Australia proposes nightmarish and evil Orwellian surveillance laws

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https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/08/trust-us-were-secretly-working-foreign-government-how-australias-proposed-crypto

But latest challenge to our collective security comes not from Facebook or Google or Russian hackers or Cambridge Analytica: it comes from the Australian government. Their new proposed Access and Assistance bill would require the operators of all of that technology to comply with broad and secret government orders, free from liability, and hidden from independent oversight. Software could be rewritten to spy on end-users; websites re-engineered to deliver spyware. Our technology would have to serve two masters: their customers, and what a broad array of Australian government departments decides are the interests of Australias national security. Australia would not be the last to demand these powers: a long line of countries are waiting to demand the same kind of assistance.

In fact, Australia is not the first nation to think of granting itself such powers, even in the West. In 2016, the British government took advantage of the countrys political chaos at the time to push through, largely untouched, the first post-Snowden law that expanded not contracted Western domestic spying powers. At the time, EFF warned of its dangers - particularly orders called technical capability notices, which could allow the UK to demand modifications to tech companies hardware, software, and services to deliver spyware or place backdoors in secure communications systems. These notices would remain secret from the public.

Its worth underlining here just how sweeping such a power is. To give one example: our smartphones are a mass of sensors. They have microphones and cameras, GPS locators, fingerprint and facial scanners. The behavior of those sensors is only loosely tied to what their user interfaces tell us.

Australia seeks to give its law enforcement, border and intelligence services, the power to order the creators and maintainers of those tools to do acts and things to protect the interests of Australias national security, the interests of Australias foreign relations or the interests of Australias national economic well-being.

The acts and things are largely unspecified but they include enabling surveillance, hacking into computers, and remotely pulling data from private computers and public networks.

The range of people who would have to secretly comply with these orders is vast. The orders can be served on any designated communications provider, which includes telcos and ISPs, but is also defined to include a person [who] develops, supplies or updates software used, for use, or likely to be used, in connection with: (a) a listed carriage service; or (b) an electronic service that has one or more end users in Australia; or a person [who] manufactures or supplies customer equipment for use, or likely to be used, in Australia.

Time to bring back the guillotine and remind these garbage human being politicians who they really serve.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Time to bring back the guillotine and remind these garbage human being politicians who they really serve.

Good luck with your not-armed revolution.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Time to bring back the guillotine and remind these garbage human being politicians who they really serve.

glad you agree comrade
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Fuck the (UK) Tories! They started the latest push for these kinds of laws.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Time to bring back the guillotine and remind these garbage human being politicians who they really serve.

Good luck with your not-armed revolution.

Ha got em

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Time to bring back the guillotine and remind these garbage human being politicians who they really serve.

Good luck with your not-armed revolution.

@Tmaster148 @clearaflagrantj @Wariodorf

Weren't you guys just yesterday or the day before asking me "who would even WANT to control an unarmed population" or some stupid shit like that?
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Paper_Okami posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Time to bring back the guillotine and remind these garbage human being politicians who they really serve.

glad you agree comrade

Hey man if you disagree with these surveillance laws, we're on the same side even if I don't like communists. I'd gladly fall in with anyone who opposes this barbarism.
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protip: the NSA already does all of this.
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No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other."
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If it triggers the libs, Im on board.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Time to bring back the guillotine and remind these garbage human being politicians who they really serve.

glad you agree comrade

Hey man if you disagree with these surveillance laws, we're on the same side even if I don't like communists. I'd gladly fall in with anyone who opposes this barbarism.

when the ancaps and ancoms unite against a common foe

australia
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davyheinz posted...

If it triggers the libs, Im on board.

~ Ghouls in the Mojave wasteland
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FL81 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Time to bring back the guillotine and remind these garbage human being politicians who they really serve.

glad you agree comrade

Hey man if you disagree with these surveillance laws, we're on the same side even if I don't like communists. I'd gladly fall in with anyone who opposes this barbarism.

when the ancaps and ancoms unite against a common foe

australia

Some ideas are so vile that even capitalists and communists can join together to oppose them
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Soon, some sort of decentralized "crybaby" systems will emerge that just flood surveillance with meaningless noise.

Or, and vastly more likely, steganography will catch on again.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Soon, some sort of decentralized "crybaby" systems will emerge that just flood surveillance with meaningless noise.

Or, and vastly more likely, steganography will catch on again.

I love the way you think.
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Wariodorf posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Time to bring back the guillotine and remind these garbage human being politicians who they really serve.

Good luck with your not-armed revolution.

Tmaster148 clearaflagrantj Wariodorf

Weren't you guys just yesterday or the day before asking me "who would even WANT to control an unarmed population" or some stupid shit like that?

No. The question asked to you was "who is trying to control the citizens of America?" You didn't answer, but we all knew what your answer would be.

Warioderp with his classic dishonesty even when there's a literal example in Australia showing the reality of things
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What's "eff.org" and what is the meaning of "deeplinks" in the url?
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is also defined to include a person [who] develops, supplies or updates software used, for use, or likely to be used, in connection with: ... an electronic service that has one or more end users in Australia

uh

lol

I feel like this is probably the vast majority of people who have ever put anything on the internet
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Wariodorf posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Time to bring back the guillotine and remind these garbage human being politicians who they really serve.

Good luck with your not-armed revolution.

Tmaster148 clearaflagrantj Wariodorf

Weren't you guys just yesterday or the day before asking me "who would even WANT to control an unarmed population" or some stupid shit like that?

No. The question asked to you was "who is trying to control the citizens of America?" You didn't answer, but we all knew what your answer would be.

Warioderp with his classic dishonesty even when there's a literal example in Australia showing the reality of things

@FLUFFYGERM

Who specifically is trying to control the citizens

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clearaflagrantj posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Wariodorf posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Time to bring back the guillotine and remind these garbage human being politicians who they really serve.

Good luck with your not-armed revolution.

Tmaster148 clearaflagrantj Wariodorf

Weren't you guys just yesterday or the day before asking me "who would even WANT to control an unarmed population" or some stupid shit like that?

No. The question asked to you was "who is trying to control the citizens of America?" You didn't answer, but we all knew what your answer would be.

Warioderp with his classic dishonesty even when there's a literal example in Australia showing the reality of things

@FLUFFYGERM

Who specifically is trying to control the citizens

God damn liberals
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Honestly fuck them. I don't understand for the life of me why Australia keeps voting in bloodsucking tories.
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Vague wording like this gives basically the law pretty much infinite control.

Anyone who votes for this law deserves death.
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pinky0926 posted...

Honestly fuck them. I don't understand for the life of me why Australia keeps voting in bloodsucking tories.

Murdoch, racists and people thinking that the Green Party are extremists.

Oh and people here being absolutely apathetic about politics to the point they don't even know what they're voting for.
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pikachupwnage posted...

Vague wording like this gives basically the law pretty much infinite control.

Anyone who votes for this law deserves death.

Agreed. It's treason and a violation of human rights.
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All these nations trying to control the Internet. When will they learn it's not theirs?
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As an Australian, this affects my life absolutely 0%
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DavidWong posted...

As an Australian, this affects my life absolutely 0%

lmfao you're really living up to your tag

please don't ever participate in politics in any capacity kthxbai
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@FLUFFYGERM posted...

DavidWong posted...

As an Australian, this affects my life absolutely 0%

lmfao you're really living up to your tag

please don't ever participate in politics in any capacity kthxbai

What tag did you give him BTW?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

DavidWong posted...

As an Australian, this affects my life absolutely 0%

lmfao you're really living up to your tag

please don't ever participate in politics in any capacity kthxbai

The lack of self-awareness in your post is pretty funny tbh.
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I'm usually against the more extreme language and angry rhetoric in topics like these, especially when it comes from Fluffygerm. I like to think there's more to say then "fuck 'em all to death".

But this is pretty abhorrent, and I'm particularly disgusted at the government right now for their garbage in-fighting and general incompetence over the last couple of years. In ten years, we've had four Prime Ministers - actually, we're currently on our fifth. It's like if Hillary Clinton took Obama's seat before Obama's term was up, then won a full term of her own, but then got kicked out by Romney before her term was up. Then Romney would get kicked out by like Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz, before being replaced by Donald Trump this year. I get that there's laws against that except in extreme circumstances, but in Australia we've had party in-fighting and politicians behaving like they're on a reality show - if Tony Abbott wins a debate, Julia Gillard has to leave politics forever! Shit like that. And it has led to the leader of our nation being kicked out, only for another fucking forgettable mook to take their place.

We had politicians arguing about who broke a marble table in Parliament House, after Tony Abbott and his kin had a rager of a party after he was kicked out of the PM position. When news of this broken table came to light, the people responsible for breaking it attacked the cleaners and said that the leaking of that information is a serious security risk and they should be fired. We had that same onion-eating fuck recently saying - and this is more or less a quote - "I'm worried that this Renewable Energy bill is more about renewable energy than it is about cost to the Australian people". This fucking troglodyte who wants to keep funding coal, standing in the way of progress because "it'll cost too much" despite how much it can save in the future - who previously called renewable energy windmills "an eyesore" when he was Prime Minister. This man led the fucking country, and his machinations have led to the ousting of no less than 3 prime ministers before their term was up - not counting his own premature ejection from the position.

This fucking government, who hasn't had a leader serve a full, uninterrupted term since 2007, who just voted in a Christian-minded, anti-gay marriage idiot named Scott Morrison as our fifth PM in 11 years. Is now trying to push laws that would make it legal for them to pull data from private computers remotely. Just sneak in some spyware, copy your files without your knowledge or consent. That turns my stomach, and it comes from a government who threw out two full cabinets full of classified Government information - because they lost the keys. And that's from earlier this year! The person who found the cabinets turned them into a national newspaper, who published some slightly less egregious content, but who stressed that there was some seriously classified shit in those cabinets.

And at this point, you really have to weigh your options. Do you risk aligning yourself with some random pot-stirrer on a message board, just the once, to protest a news story that's going to get the really annoying "censorship" nutjobs going, the kind who huff and puff about censorship when Nintendo covers up some skin on a videogame character for an English release? Or do you disregard the otherwise egregious source, the type of person who'll jump to extremist language just to cause a reaction, and make a solid and angry point against the news for the shit show as it is? As much as I'd rather keep ignoring this style of posting, I can't help but fucking agree. This is an erosion of our rights by our government, and given how petty, incompetent and just generally anti-public the government has been, I can't just say "shit move, I hope they get what's coming to them". This is more shit behavior from a shit government, and they need to be fucking sacked.
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@MrMallard Shut the fuck up and get off that high horse.
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The point I was trying to make in my above ramble is this - how can I trust a garbage government, who has consistently and habitually let the Australian people down with their poor conduct and countless scandals, who has been responsible for a massive data leak of their own, to be responsible with these powers that they're trying to bestow upon themselves? How can I trust that this over-reach can and will be used responsibly? I hardly know where my nation's leading politicians stand at the best of times - why give them the benefit of the doubt?

And doubly so considering the recent news that Peter Dutton let a woman into our country against the advice of our border patrol, knowing that she would be working on a visitor's visa, because the person she wanted to work for was a Liberal party donor? Link here - http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-30/dutton-ignored-border-force-advice-to-grant-au-pairs-visa/10182374?pfmredir=sm - and then there's been politicians paying for trips to weddings and to stay in 5-star hotels on holiday, using tax-payer money to do so? These people don't care about rights, they care about looking out for their own interests. Giving the government this sort of overhead has a very real chance of making this shitty behavior even worse.

So yeah, fuck this garbage. Our government is in the fucking gutter, and if they thing they can pull this garbage after all the other shit they've put us through as a nation, then they can get separated from their job come next election. Get these fucking clowns out of the government, and preferably out of the fucking country - end this ouroboros of lies, scandal and corruption that has been plaguing the Australian people for far too fucking long. Get fucking rid of them all for trying to get away with this shit.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

@MrMallard Shut the fuck up and get off that high horse.

I'll get off my high horse when your regular posting habits sound less like the rambling anger that I've just partaken in.
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You could've said all that without making those cowardly unsubstantiated pot shots about my character.

In fact I hope the Australian government gets away with all that horse shit simply to show you whether or not some people like FLUFFY were really just being honest and nuanced in their treatment of any amount of government censorship. Because maybe then you'll realize that your character assassination was unsubstantiated bullshit.

#SPITEFULGERM
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One man's "nightmarish and evil" is another man's "fine".
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I find it odd how the left always says:

"We hate big government! ReVoLuTiOn! AnArChY! Anti-Fash! BASH DA FASH"

Then they vote for more government control and bow down XD

ECW1125 posted...

I find it odd how the left always says:

"We hate big government! ReVoLuTiOn! AnArChY! Anti-Fash! BASH DA FASH"

Then they vote for more government control and bow down XD

For the same reason the right always complains about big government, then imprisons potsmokers while seizing their cars.

shockthemonkey posted...

Why cant you just act like a normal person?

He tried for like a week but got bored of it or something

If we're bringing back the guillotine we should primarily be executing board members of Comcast, AIG, and others like that.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Rexdragon125 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Why cant you just act like a normal person?

He tried for like a week but got bored of it or something

Damn I must have blinked and missed it, did he not get enough attention?

wouldn't be the first thing you miss
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

You could've said all that without making those cowardly unsubstantiated pot shots about my character.

I really could have said what I said without mentioning you, I agree. But your reaction to it has only strengthened my opinion of you.

I called you a pot-stirrer and a user who uses extremist language for the sake of causing a reaction, and that's exactly what you've done. You struck right back at me with a "shut the fuck up and get off your high horse" - maybe hoping I'd go further with the less-than-positive comments about your posting? - and when I responded in kind, you jumped to "I hope the Australian government does get away with this breach of privacy just to show you for your unsubstantiated character assassination against me!" - which is being a bit extreme, don't you think? "Character assassination"? Going back on your initial post in this thread, possibly as a way of feeding the anger that I expressed in my other posts? What I said was an opinion of you that I formed after seeing you post for a month or two, one that people don't necessarily agree with or who have to agree with - a subjective statement that wasn't presented as some objective, inalienable truth. An opinion that any other user might have come to on their own, that's only more visible in your responses to criticism.

It's easy to just write someone off as a troll, especially when it's clear from day one that they're just trying to goad people into breaking the ToS. But given that yelling "Troll! Troll! You're a troll!" can be a shortcut to an easy moderation, the label doesn't mean anything if you can't prove it. Given that a comment or two against you and your style of posting is enough to get you to swear at me and rescind on your initial post to... make a point against me? It just proves what I said in the first place. I mentioned offhandedly that you spend a lot of time stirring the pot and using a lot of language that's more extreme than it needs to be to make any sort of point, and those traits usually mean that my views or attitudes towards something almost never align with yours - except, maybe, this once. You then try to stir the pot with "shut the fuck up", and call my assessment "character assassination".

You really are just a pot-stirring troll. I don't say that specifically to cause a reaction, I say it because everything I've seen from you in this thread has reinforced my points against you and solidified how I see you as a poster. And I get that this sort of attention is what can feed another person, keeping someone typing meaningless words for hours - but even as I sit here wasting my time on this stupid fucking response, I think it bears mentioning that everything you've said in response to me only makes you look worse.

It's too late for this shit, so I'll wrap it up - good topic, I feel like we might have agreed in places regarding this news. But your posting style has made you a hard person to even contemplate agreeing with, and your response to that observation doesn't do you any favors.
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