Poll of the Day > 9 year old kid commits suicide when he came out...

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https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/9-year-old-commits-suicide-coming-gay-classmates-201811792.html

Sad...?

I blame the parents.


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I dont see how someone who hasnt even reached puberty can come out as gay. Sad that the kid killed himself though.

Only 4 days and he killed himself? Sounds like underlying mental issues to me.
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Have they actually said how he did it?
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Andromicus posted...

Have they actually said how he did it?

Why in the world would they? In what way is that in any way relevant to the story?
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JazzMasterZero posted...

I dont see how someone who hasnt even reached puberty can come out as gay. Sad that the kid killed himself though.

I've always heard a lot of gay friends say they knew when they were like really young. I guess some can easily know before they reach puberty...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Only 4 days and he killed himself? Sounds like underlying mental issues to me.

It's possible, but probably not. Lots of people who were bullied for being gay have killed themselves. Some may have taken a while to do it, but some did it within days of people finding out. 4 days of constant bullying can be like torture, depending on what's going on...

darkknight109 posted...

Andromicus posted...

Have they actually said how he did it?

Why in the world would they? In what way is that in any way relevant to the story?

I was actually wondering this, too. More of a curiosity, though. He seems young. So, was he able to find a gun in the house, or was it pills. I mean, there's a lot of way to commit suicide, but I always feel younger kids may not know all of them... Or I sort of hoped they wouldn't...

Also, I don't know why that would be weird. Most of the time, when people commit suicide, they do usually say how...
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This story seems weird but not because of a 9 year old coming out as gay. To me that doesnt sound weird at all. But yeah 4 days is kinda short to just up and kill yourself when people go years of suffering abuse and do it after a long while.

LinkPizza posted...

4 days of constant bullying can be like torture

lol I remember a story of kids who bullied another kid by making him repeatedly jump out of a second floor window as suicide practice. He still didn't do it in 4 fucking days.

4 days is crazy short, you need to have serious issues to ramp up from nil to full-on suicidal in that time.

As with all of these topics, important information is missing.
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I don't get why people need to involve others in private matters. Unless you're trying to proposition someone keep your sexuality to yourself.

He was gonna tell people hes gay because hes proud of himself,

How is being gay an accomplishment to be proud of?

Not only was he going back to school with a major admission, he was also adjusting to his newfound femininity.

This is an odd sentence. Does being gay also make him trans?

I know you buy me boy stuff because Im a boy, but Id rather dress like a girl, Jamel recently told with his mom.

Apparently it does. This is a poorly constructed article.
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The combination of the child being already really stressed and making himself vulnerable to his peers was toxic,

Why was he already stressed though? The article points to involving others in his sexuality as the pivotal event. Was there more going on prior to that? Why would he want to involve people that were already bullying him?

Jamels mom is focused on making schools more tolerant.

Right, it's the schools fault that she didn't advise her son in a way that would prepared him for different attitudes he might encounter.

We should have accountability for bullying, Pierce told KDVR-TV.

There is. It's called detention.

I think the child should. Because the child knows its wrong. The child wouldnt want someone to do it to them.

The child should what? Be more tolerant or have accountability. Which of these does the child know is wrong. Again, this is a poorly constructed article.

because obviously the parents are either teaching them to be like that, or theyre treating them like that,

Or the parents aren't doing anything because they hold the school accountable for own failings as a parent.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

4 days of constant bullying can be like torture

lol I remember a story of kids who bullied another kid by making him repeatedly jump out of a second floor window as suicide practice. He still didn't do it in 4 fucking days.

4 days is crazy short, you need to have serious issues to ramp up from nil to full-on suicidal in that time.

As with all of these topics, important information is missing.

There does seem to be information missing. It is a Ducky topic. And I'm not saying 4 days isn't short. But I don't think that means he definitely had mental issues already. But IDK. Not only that, but we don't know if maybe he wasn't already being bullied, or something else...
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argonautweakend posted...

This story seems weird but not because of a 9 year old coming out as gay. To me that doesnt sound weird at all. But yeah 4 days is kinda short to just up and kill yourself when people go years of suffering abuse and do it after a long while.

He was 9, his brain wasn't even close to being decently developed, he didn't understand all this stuff and may have assumed that everybody in the world would hate him or some such.

A kid this age shouldn't be coming out, it's too young to say for certain he was gay, and other kids that age don't really understand it well enough or are still under the influence of bad parenting/anti-gay culture.
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I honestly didn't know what suicide was when I was 9.
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The whole thing makes me question if it was really a suicide.

Jen0125 posted...

I honestly didn't know what suicide was when I was 9.

Did you have the internet?

knivesX2004 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

I honestly didn't know what suicide was when I was 9.

Did you have the internet?

No, but they still had dictionaries, TV and encyclopedias back in those old stone age days called the 80s/90s...

RIP

Way too young to be in so much pain
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I knew I was straight when I was 6 and wanted to kiss girls. Love all the people saying "he's 9, he couldn't know."

I feel like people who make that statement still feel being gay is a choice. Do all 9 year olds know they are gay or straight? No. But do some, absolutely.
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JazzMasterZero posted...

I dont see how someone who hasnt even reached puberty can come out as gay.

I was getting boners from seeing girls in swimsuits when I was like 6, IDK.
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When I was nine I knew I liked Sonic the Hedgehog. I was young though we all make mistakes.
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pionear posted...

No, but they still had dictionaries, TV and encyclopedias back in those old stone age days called the 80s/90s...

Yeah, I remember being a kid and rushing out to read the fucking dictionary, that was the latest craze. Just getting together with your friends and play a game of "ready the dictionary". We knew everything there was to know about suicide.

Come on dude...

It's sad but not entirely unexpected since children are cruel and savage creatures.
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kangolcone posted...

I knew I was straight when I was 6 and wanted to kiss girls. Love all the people saying "he's 9, he couldn't know."

I feel like people who make that statement still feel being gay is a choice. Do all 9 year olds know they are gay or straight? No. But do some, absolutely.

But being gay can be a choice.
Sorry, edited for clarity.

GanglyKhan posted...

But being gay is a choice.

Being gay might be a choice to you.

So wait, was he trans or gay?
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That's sad that he killed himself over something he didn't evem fully understand.
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GanglyKhan posted...

But being gay can be a choice.

Yes, I'm sure we all remember the point in our lives where we selected our sexual orientation...
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darkknight109 posted...

Yes, I'm sure we all remember the point in our lives where we selected our sexual orientation...

Sarcasm aside, I can honestly say that my sexual identity today isn't even remotely the same as it was when I was 19, which in turn wasn't the same as it was when I was 9.

Whether or not you want to argue that sexual preference is genetically hardcoded, subconsciously influenced by early life experiences, directly shaped by the culture and environment you are raised in, or some combination of all three, there's more than enough evidence in the world to suggest that sexuality isn't necessarily a solid and unchanging absolute throughout a person's life, and people can absolutely be "mistaken" about their sexuality or change their sexuality over time.

So it's not an outrageous statement to imply that a 9-year old might absolutely be confused about who and what they are, and that they might have wound up dying over something which wasn't even true.

Even aside from the fact that, the way that article is phrased, it almost makes it sound like the kid was claiming to be "gay" when he fell more into an "effeminate/queer" sort of mold, or even drifting into trans. Saying "I'd rather dress like a girl" doesn't really mean you're gay. It's entirely possible that he didn't really understand any of the implications of what he was saying, and that he was miscommunicating his actual situation because he was nine years old.

When I was nine years old, I couldn't even articulate to my parents or myself why I hated being in band and didn't want to play an instrument, so I wound up costing them hundreds of dollars on instrument rental that I never used because I secretly skipped practice to avoid a confrontation. The infinite complexities of sexual and gender identity certainly weren't crystal clear and easily communicable to me at that point.


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If nine is old enough to know that you're straight--a point most people don't argue--then a nine-year old is also old enough to know that they're gay.
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Oh good a bunch of long arguments
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JazzMasterZero posted...

I dont see how someone who hasnt even reached puberty can come out as gay. Sad that the kid killed himself though.

I mean I didn't "come out" at heterosexual but certainly kissed girls. At that age though I didn't even give sexuality a second thought and most kids get bullied for one thing or another anyway. Still at around that age I had a tom boy as a "GF". She dressed like a boy of course and nobody gave a fuck. Now however she is a he and could have possibly gone the whole way. Whatever the case it wasn't surprising.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

There is. It's called detention.

You think that's enough for bullying? I certainly don't as it certainly doesn't stop it. I wounder if kids parents were fined for bullying other kids would the parents be more accountable for their kids. This won't happen though as some schools are scared of the kids parents so do fuck all when the kids do wrong. If you retaliate to said bullies though in self defence then they will shit down furry on you.

ungubby posted...

So wait, was he trans or gay?

Both.
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Golden Road posted...

If nine is old enough to know that you're straight--a point most people don't argue--then a nine-year old is also old enough to know that they're gay.

I think 9 is old enough to recognize the social norms of your culture. It is not old enough to understand why those social norms exist or the implications of going against them.

Generally cultures adopt social norms that are beficial to the continued survival of the culture. Distinct male/female roles, stable family units for the production and raising of children, instructing them in how to participate in that culture; these are beneficial things. When they are no longer encouraged by society it is evidence that the culture is in decline.

9 is old enough to say that they are not interested in their social norms now. 9 is not old enough to say that they never will be.
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Maybe

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We dont really know this kid well enough or all the details of what was going on in his life to make any broad judgements or declarations. A kid killed himself, and thats really sad.
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JazzMasterZero posted...

I dont see how someone who hasnt even reached puberty can come out as gay. Sad that the kid killed himself though.

Depends on when you start becoming attracted to a certain sex or sexes. I mean I knew I started appreciating the female form around that age, maybe a bit older. Saying he is gay doesn't mean he is making out with guys and having sex, you can know what sex you prefer without going full into that lifestyle.
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wwinterj25 posted...

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

There is. It's called detention.

You think that's enough for bullying? I certainly don't as it certainly doesn't stop it. I wounder if kids parents were fined for bullying other kids would the parents be more accountable for their kids. This won't happen though as some schools are scared of the kids parents so do fuck all when the kids do wrong. If you retaliate to said bullies though in self defence then they will shit down furry on you.

I'm going to have to disagree with you. The only time someone was stupid enough to try and bully me was in high school. We both got a weeks suspension and a ticket from the on campus cop. You know what that was a small price to pay for the next 2 years of peace and quiet I enjoyed.

Bullying sucks, but on the upside standing up to a bully can have positive effects.
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Persinian posted...

I'm going to have to disagree with you. The only time someone was stupid enough to try and bully me was in high school. We both got a weeks suspension and a ticket from the on campus cop. You know what that was a small price to pay for the next 2 years of peace and quiet I enjoyed.

Bullying sucks, but on the upside standing up to a bully can have positive effects.

You're disagreeing based on the fact it worked out fine for you? I see. It's also interesting you have "on campus cops" to protect your arse.
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9 year olds can't be toxic they're 9 that's how they were raised

where is jamals father by the way?
was he ever taken advantage of at some point?

Mead posted...

Oh good a bunch of long arguments

I'm sure someone itt is saying

A) Bullying is great I love to bully people.
B) You can't be gay at 9 because I wasn't gay until I was 16.

darkknight109 posted...

Andromicus posted...

Have they actually said how he did it?

Why in the world would they? In what way is that in any way relevant to the story?

it's not in good taste, bro, but it's totally relevant in that it's a story about somebody killing themselves and a method of killing yourself is not some random detail like "his fave color was blue"
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wwinterj25 posted...

Persinian posted...

I'm going to have to disagree with you. The only time someone was stupid enough to try and bully me was in high school. We both got a weeks suspension and a ticket from the on campus cop. You know what that was a small price to pay for the next 2 years of peace and quiet I enjoyed.

Bullying sucks, but on the upside standing up to a bully can have positive effects.

You're disagreeing based on the fact it worked out fine for you? I see. It's also interesting you have "on campus cops" to protect your arse.

ok first yes it was just my experience. second the on campus officer (singular not plural) did not "protect my arse" as you put it. after the administration suspended both me and the bully the officer ticketed us, for fighting in school, so I had to go to juvenile court. So in my SPECIFIC case not only were both parties justly punished, yes i agreed the suspension and subsequent juvenile court visit were justified, but the bully stopped his bullying and not just against me, i never saw him do anything to other people either.

funny side note: the teacher was willing to let it go, and the bully begged me to let it go. I refused and walked straight to the office. It is in my specific case unethical to do something wrong, get caught, and not admit it and take the punishment.

but hey maybe thats just me.
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GanglyKhan posted...

kangolcone posted...

I knew I was straight when I was 6 and wanted to kiss girls. Love all the people saying "he's 9, he couldn't know."

I feel like people who make that statement still feel being gay is a choice. Do all 9 year olds know they are gay or straight? No. But do some, absolutely.

But being gay can be a choice.
Sorry, edited for clarity.

I'm glad you can choose. I've been trying to choose straight for a long time, but it never worked...

kangolcone posted...

I knew I was straight when I was 6 and wanted to kiss girls. Love all the people saying "he's 9, he couldn't know."

I feel like people who make that statement still feel being gay is a choice. Do all 9 year olds know they are gay or straight? No. But do some, absolutely.

When I was really young, I remember liking some of the child actors about my age or older. And they were usually guys. I never really told anyone, though. But I guess I knew who I was attracted to pretty early...
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Is the mom a lesbian? There's no mention of the father. Seems like a giant cucked out family with no masculinity at all. It's a dog eat dog world. People are savages, especially kids who haven't been brainwashed by leftist ideologies.

For the mom to be angry about bullying in general... it's like, fuck off, YOU FAILED AT RAISING HIM. You should've protected him, teached him to not go full snowflake at 9 years old. Like someone said, WAIT TILL PUBERTY KICKS IN, he might've liked tits and ass at some point. He was a happy kid who was weird; where the fuck did he get the idea that coming out of the closet was a good idea at school.

My god, there are some terrible people on gamefaqs. I guess not everyone's parents' taught them compassion.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Only 4 days and he killed himself? Sounds like underlying mental issues to me.

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eli_loves_ddr posted...

My god, there are some terrible people on gamefaqs. I guess not everyone's parents' taught them compassion.

No kidding... And I'm still not fully convinced it was suicide without them telling how he did it.

Mead posted...

When I was nine I knew I liked Sonic the Hedgehog. I was young though we all make mistakes.

A+ quality content right here.
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eli_loves_ddr posted...

My god, there are some terrible people on gamefaqs. I guess not everyone's parents' taught them compassion.

Their parents might have assumed the schools would take care of that for them.
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It's not uncommon for people to commit suicide shortly after coming out if there's a severe negative reaction to it, as they've just made themselves very vulnerable and been burned for it; it's not exactly something you can take back once it's done, which means you just have to live with whatever it is people think. The odds skyrocket if it comes from relatives, though. It doesn't help that a lot of people (especially younger kids) are not aware that support systems exist for people in their situation; a teenager may be aware that some sort of LGBT group exists to help them if things are bad, but a kid in elementary school? Unlikely.

In a way, it's sort of living like with a disease in that if people stigmatize you for it, there's not really anything you can do about it. That's a rough thing to come to terms with, especially for a kid. If the school faculty was aware that the kid had come out, they should have monitored the situation more carefully to ensure that the child wasn't being treated badly during a vulnerable period. It's a terrible situation all-around, and this is probably something that schools need to find a way of addressing more consistently.

I've experienced both ends of that; in elementary school, the faculty did nothing for any sort of bullying as they saw it as a legal liability+I lived in a small town where parents were friends with the teachers (or the teachers were the parents in some instances) so kids got away with a lot. When I moved to a different town, I noticed that the faculty in the other schools I went to were very attentive to kids who they knew were going through rough times (sometimes they were almost intrusively attentive, lol), and it really does make a difference; a lot of people from my elementary school are dead or drug addicted now, while the people who I graduated high school with, including some that were very troubled, seem to be doing pretty well.
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AC_Dragonfire posted...

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Wow kind of being an ass though