Current Events > Jacksonville shooter had history of mental illness and police visits at home

(+) Yeah! (+)

And he could still get a gun despite that.

Article is long so you can read it here:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/28/us/jacksonville-madden-shooter-katz-mental-health-invs/index.html

He is a Katz after all

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It's sad that I know the shooter is white purely because the media is peddling the "Mental Illness" line.

I don't even need to click an article to know.
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If only Jacksonville had a gun

Bu..but much guns!
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Mental illness is always so easy if you're white.

If the shooter were black, it would've been a thug who had no discipline.

XXmiznatorXX posted...

Mental illness is always so easy if you're white.

If the shooter were black, it would've been a thug who had no discipline.

That guy who was all over the news the last few weeks because he killed his pregnant wife and both of his daughters? They don't show any pictures of him being angry looking or anything. Smiling pictures of him and the kids though, sure, because they have to make him seem human and loving except for the part where he murdered them and lied to the news asking for them to come home.
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XXmiznatorXX posted...

Mental illness is always so easy if you're white.

If the shooter were black, it would've been a thug who had no discipline.

XXmiznatorXX posted...

Mental illness is always so easy if you're white.

If the shooter were black, it would've been a thug who had no discipline.

And if you're brown, youre a terrorist
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even if you're mentally ill, the constitution grants you the right to buy guns, right? like, the constitution doesn't say we can take them away if they're mentally ill. :/ so I guess these crazy people have us over a barrel since we legally can't tell them no.
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Reading some of the stories, it appears he may have been a victim of abuse at the hands of his mother.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

XXmiznatorXX posted...

Mental illness is always so easy if you're white.

If the shooter were black, it would've been a thug who had no discipline.

XXmiznatorXX posted...

Mental illness is always so easy if you're white.

If the shooter were black, it would've been a thug who had no discipline.

And if you're brown, youre a terrorist

Does the Madden shooter sound like a terrorist to you? It sounds exactly like a mentally ill man child that shot up a tournament because he lost a video game match. It's pretty clear unless he had some other agenda I'm not aware of
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No he's a white supremacist remember? This guy online said so.
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KillerKhan420 posted...

No he's a white supremacist remember? This guy online said so.

Getting awfully defensive over there.
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They need to just start stereotyping guys who look like that. The ones who have "the look." "Hey man, sorry, I can't sell you a gun." But they'd rather make a profit.
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SauI_Goodman posted...

They need to just start stereotyping guys who look like that. The ones who have "the look." "Hey man, sorry, I can't sell you a gun." But they'd rather make a profit.

Username doesn't fit the post.

Anyhow, mentally ill guy still being able to legally own a weapon?
That's it for the discussion on this matter.
Until that changes, debating about anything regarding gun laws is pointless.

GunmaN1905 posted...

Until that changes, debating about anything regarding gun laws is pointless.

Debate is how law changes.
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My bad, debate on random internet forums is pointless.

I honestly didn't know that mentally ill people can legally own guns until I read it here.
And I'm still baffled.
What a country.
(I'm not an American, obviously.)

Because they elect politicals that will turn into tyrants the moment you take away guns from people with mental illness.
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gunplagirl posted...

XXmiznatorXX posted...

Mental illness is always so easy if you're white.

If the shooter were black, it would've been a thug who had no discipline.

That guy who was all over the news the last few weeks because he killed his pregnant wife and both of his daughters? They don't show any pictures of him being angry looking or anything. Smiling pictures of him and the kids though, sure, because they have to make him seem human and loving except for the part where he murdered them and lied to the news asking for them to come home.

are you dense? why would there be pictures of him looking angry and stuff? all everyone is saying is "I can't believe he would do that he was so nice"
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GunmaN1905 posted...

My bad, debate on random internet forums is pointless

And that would still be pointless if the law changed.
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*keep passing new gun laws*
*never enforce any of them*

why is it always Florida
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FL81 posted...

*keep passing new gun laws*
*never enforce any of them*

why is it always Florida

The firearm was purchased in Maryland, the shooter's home state.

KillerKhan420 posted...

No he's a white supremacist remember? This guy online said so.

Don't go projecting your values on to this poor mentally ill murderer.
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jfc. were the guns bought by him?
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E32005 posted...

jfc. were the guns bought by him?

Yes

26 police visits, two psychiatric hospitalizations, seemed violent by a psychologist

Legally bought guns.

Nothing to be done tho
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

E32005 posted...

jfc. were the guns bought by him?

Yes

26 police visits, two psychiatric hospitalizations, seemed violent by a psychologist

Legally bought guns.

Nothing to be done tho

ridiculous.

taking them out of the hands of these ppl and ppl on certain meds can at least help stop some of these massacre.

but "murica" "muh freedomz"
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Mr_Biscuit posted...

Yes

26 police visits, two psychiatric hospitalizations, seemed violent by a psychologist

Legally bought guns.

Nothing to be done tho

Seriously, nobody can be bothered to file the paper work?

Literally, fill out a few forms and send it into NICS!
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So... who fucked up and didn't get the data into NICS?

KamenRiderBlade posted...

Mr_Biscuit posted...

Yes

26 police visits, two psychiatric hospitalizations, seemed violent by a psychologist

Legally bought guns.

Nothing to be done tho

Seriously, nobody can be bothered to file the paper work?

Literally, fill out a few forms and send it into NICS!

I'm a little behind the times.. what is the NICS role in this?

On a related note, he has 26 police visits at his young age? o.0

the data might not have been applicable. im not positive of course, but a minors medical records might be sealed off from that so it would only count things that have happened after 17. assuming it actually was made a note of.

Goats posted...

What sane nation let's this guy have a gun. Seriously geodude

None is the answer.
Though it's "lets".
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EnterTheTekken posted...

FL81 posted...

*keep passing new gun laws*
*never enforce any of them*

why is it always Florida

The firearm was purchased in Maryland, the shooter's home state.

A state with extremely strict laws regarding firearms
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The fact is, the police visits to the home should have been reported to NICS. That means that it shws exactly why 'universal background checks' aren't the be-all, end-all lefties like to believe.
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darkjedilink posted...

The fact is, the police visits to the home should have been reported to NICS. That means that it shws exactly why 'universal background checks' aren't the be-all, end-all lefties like to believe.

I've had cops do a well being check on my neighbor because he went on vacation
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darkjedilink posted...

The fact is, the police visits to the home should have been reported to NICS. That means that it shws exactly why 'universal background checks' aren't the be-all, end-all lefties like to believe.

Do you have a source for "all leftists believing this to be the end all be all"?

What I've heard is many (not all) people on the left saying it would be a good additional step.

Ruvan22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

The fact is, the police visits to the home should have been reported to NICS. That means that it shws exactly why 'universal background checks' aren't the be-all, end-all lefties like to believe.

Do you have a source for "all leftists believing this to be the end all be all"?

What I've heard is many (not all) people on the left saying it would be a good additional step.

Mental disorders shouldn't be the end all be all as reason to ban somebody from owning guns. Most people with depression will never harm anyone, not even themselves. Mood disorders where somebody can get angry doesn't mean that they'll actually hurt somebody.

A common shared history between a lot of mass shooters is a history of domestic violence, often towards women.
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gunplagirl posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

The fact is, the police visits to the home should have been reported to NICS. That means that it shws exactly why 'universal background checks' aren't the be-all, end-all lefties like to believe.

Do you have a source for "all leftists believing this to be the end all be all"?

What I've heard is many (not all) people on the left saying it would be a good additional step.

Mental disorders shouldn't be the end all be all as reason to ban somebody from owning guns. Most people with depression will never harm anyone, not even themselves. Mood disorders where somebody can get angry doesn't mean that they'll actually hurt somebody.

A common shared history between a lot of mass shooters is a history of domestic violence, often towards women.

Thanks, but that doesn't answer the question I asked DJ

gunplagirl posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

The fact is, the police visits to the home should have been reported to NICS. That means that it shws exactly why 'universal background checks' aren't the be-all, end-all lefties like to believe.

Do you have a source for "all leftists believing this to be the end all be all"?

What I've heard is many (not all) people on the left saying it would be a good additional step.

Mental disorders shouldn't be the end all be all as reason to ban somebody from owning guns. Most people with depression will never harm anyone, not even themselves. Mood disorders where somebody can get angry doesn't mean that they'll actually hurt somebody.

A common shared history between a lot of mass shooters is a history of domestic violence, often towards women.

Nobody said a depression diagnosis should bar people from owning firearms.
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ChainedRedone posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

The fact is, the police visits to the home should have been reported to NICS. That means that it shws exactly why 'universal background checks' aren't the be-all, end-all lefties like to believe.

Do you have a source for "all leftists believing this to be the end all be all"?

What I've heard is many (not all) people on the left saying it would be a good additional step.

Mental disorders shouldn't be the end all be all as reason to ban somebody from owning guns. Most people with depression will never harm anyone, not even themselves. Mood disorders where somebody can get angry doesn't mean that they'll actually hurt somebody.

A common shared history between a lot of mass shooters is a history of domestic violence, often towards women.

Nobody said a depression diagnosis should bar people from owning firearms.

There's actually a fair number of people who advocate for background checks who also want to have mental illness be a guaranteed disqualifying factor. :(
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gunplagirl posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Ruvan22 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

The fact is, the police visits to the home should have been reported to NICS. That means that it shws exactly why 'universal background checks' aren't the be-all, end-all lefties like to believe.

Do you have a source for "all leftists believing this to be the end all be all"?

What I've heard is many (not all) people on the left saying it would be a good additional step.

Mental disorders shouldn't be the end all be all as reason to ban somebody from owning guns. Most people with depression will never harm anyone, not even themselves. Mood disorders where somebody can get angry doesn't mean that they'll actually hurt somebody.

A common shared history between a lot of mass shooters is a history of domestic violence, often towards women.

Nobody said a depression diagnosis should bar people from owning firearms.

There's actually a fair number of people who advocate for background checks who also want to have mental illness be a guaranteed disqualifying factor. :(

While that may be true, DJ's argument was "All the left believes background checks will completely solve the problem". I was asking him for proof of either clause in his statement.