Current Events > So is the MeToo movement dead?

(+) Yeah! (+)

When a leader is paying off a rape
---

Pound me too
---

MeToo was never a movement as much as the politically correct fad of the year
---

Literally never heard anyone talk about it outside the media.
---

MeToo has no leaders
MeToo is for all genders
---

Dead? I've never seen feminism so strong during my lifetime. 4th wave feminism is in good hands.

Something will happen, though, to wreck it.

---

Nothing wrong with calling out asshole men who abuse their station to sexually harass women

But there is something wrong with women who take advantage of the situation to falsely accuse men in order to get their 15 minutes and a payout

But how can you tell who tells the truth or not?
---

shockthemonkey posted...

More abusers are getting their comeuppance, thankfully

This

It means it's doing what it's supposed to be doing
---

Would you postulate that the alt right is dead after leaders within the group were caught in scandal?

No?

Then don't ask dumb questions.
---

Kineth posted...

Would you postulate that the alt right is dead after leaders within the group were caught in scandal?

No?

Then don't ask dumb questions.

Yeah the alt right is dead just like the tea party movement. Do not ask stupid questions
---

Someone get yo manz back to reality.
---

If they find she did that then fuck her. I don't see how a movement such as this could even have a leader since it's just supposed to encourage people to not be silent about sex crimes and harrassment.
---

#MeToo is greater than just her. Of course I know opponents of it are going to attack her like it delegitimizes the movement (not saying she didnt do anything wrong, if anything the NYT reporting sounds pretty damning) and thats going to make this story turn ugly fast imo.

But no, #MeToo mightve started with this woman and Harvey Weinstein... its hardly about them anymore. Its not just a Hollywood problem but its pervasive through society. It has spread to other countries around the globe.

Tbh I didnt even know who she was until this current story broke
---

i think it's pretty hilarious that the bigots of the USA managed to convince themselves that #MeToo is only about making men look bad, and not about sexual harassment in general and recognizing the PREVALENCE of it in our society

That point should have been RESOUNDING when Terry Crews came out with his story

But they (bigots of the USA) are willfully ignorant so why am I surprised
---

brassicach posted...

i think it's pretty hilarious that the bigots of the USA managed to convince themselves that #MeToo is only about making men look bad, and not about sexual harassment in general and recognizing the PREVALENCE of it in our society

That point should have been RESOUNDING when Terry Crews came out with his story

But they (bigots of the USA) are willfully ignorant so why am I surprised

Yeah, it really is warped.
---

Vertania posted...

She specified known predators, i.e. if you know someone does this and work with them anyway (as many people did with Weinstein) then you have some shit to answer to
---

No she became part of her own movement proving it had a purpose.
---

Kineth posted...

Would you postulate that the alt right is dead after leaders within the group were caught in scandal?

No?

Then don't ask dumb questions.

No, unfortunately, it permeated into the mainstream GOP

Or just its career?
---

SageHarpuia posted...

MeToo was never a movement as much as the politically correct fad of the year

Do you try to post stupid things or does it just come naturally?
---

You know, I've never really looked too deeply into specific cases, but honest question, why does there seem to be so many (mostly conservative men) people against the movement? From what I can tell, it seems to be people, mostly women, that are telling their stories about when and how they were raped/sexually abused/ sexually propositioned during inappropriate occasions, etc.

I'm not going to say that every single story is true, but do y'all believe that most of them are lying or that it doesn't happen as often as these people are claiming or something?
---

Man the double standards.
---

jborgan posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

MeToo was never a movement as much as the politically correct fad of the year

Do you try to post stupid things or does it just come naturally?

hes a republican. why expect better?

Twin3Turbo posted...

You know, I've never really looked too deeply into specific cases, but honest question, why does there seem to be so many (mostly conservative men) people against the movement? From what I can tell, it seems to be people, mostly women, that are telling their stories about when and how they were raped/sexually abused/ sexually propositioned during inappropriate occasions, etc.

I'm not going to say that every single story is true, but do y'all believe that most of them are lying or that it doesn't happen as often as these people are claiming or something?

I'll be surprised if you get a good faith response.
---

If a woman rapes a man its okay for women to be raped
---

eston posted...

She specified known predators, i.e. if you know someone does this and work with them anyway (as many people did with Weinstein) then you have some shit to answer to

Argento literally paid off her underaged accuser. McGowan is defending her after that.

Kineth posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

You know, I've never really looked too deeply into specific cases, but honest question, why does there seem to be so many (mostly conservative men) people against the movement? From what I can tell, it seems to be people, mostly women, that are telling their stories about when and how they were raped/sexually abused/ sexually propositioned during inappropriate occasions, etc.

I'm not going to say that every single story is true, but do y'all believe that most of them are lying or that it doesn't happen as often as these people are claiming or something?

I'll be surprised if you get a good faith response.

Me too, no pun intended
---

brassicach posted...

i think it's pretty hilarious that the bigots of the USA managed to convince themselves that #MeToo is only about making men look bad, and not about sexual harassment in general and recognizing the PREVALENCE of it in our society

That point should have been RESOUNDING when Terry Crews came out with his story

But they (bigots of the USA) are willfully ignorant so why am I surprised

It doesn't matter. "Hollywood and THE LEFT! promoted it, therefore I must hate everything about it and deem it fake. Checkmate cucks" is basically the level of nuance that these fucks are capable of.

Let's look at it this way, even if she's exposed as a lying scumbag it does nothing but trash another lying dirtbag. Who are the innocent people that this has harmed? Last I saw Aziz is still touring and his Netflix show is set to return. Meanwhile actual dirtballs like Spacey are rightfully shunned from society. Why is this a bad thing?
---

One of the biggest voices of #MeToo is literal Terry Crews and Internet weirdos still act like it is a conspiracy to destroy all men
---

Vertania posted...

eston posted...

She specified known predators, i.e. if you know someone does this and work with them anyway (as many people did with Weinstein) then you have some shit to answer to

Argento literally paid off her underaged accuser. McGowan is defending her after that.

And both are wrong. It doesn't discredit a movement that clearly out grew both of them nor does it make them a "leader" of a cause
---

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Why is this a bad thing?

guilty consciences speak the loudest tbh
---

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Vertania posted...

eston posted...

She specified known predators, i.e. if you know someone does this and work with them anyway (as many people did with Weinstein) then you have some shit to answer to

Argento literally paid off her underaged accuser. McGowan is defending her after that.

And both are wrong. It doesn't discredit a movement that clearly out grew both of them nor does it make them a "leader" of a cause

they dont care.

Mr_Biscuit posted...

One of the biggest voices of #MeToo is literal Terry Crews and Internet weirdos still act like it is a conspiracy to destroy all men

#MeToo is just a politically correct fad apparently.
---

I'm actually surprised to see some decent people in this topic.
---

I think the #metoo movement in general was a good thing for the way it changed professional work environments, but let's not pretend there aren't a ton a abusers and scumbags proudly wearing #TimesUp pins and marching along side the victims despite being predators themselves. And let's also not pretend a lot of the accusations were bangwagon nonsense from people looking for attention.

It's important to call out both of those things when they happen else the entire movement is undermined.
---

The Great Muta 22 posted...

And both are wrong. It doesn't discredit a movement that clearly out grew both of them nor does it make them a "leader" of a cause

Are we just going to pretend that Time Magazine didn't feature her in their Person of the Year article as one of the movement's leaders and that she encouraged people to ignore due process, only changing her tune when someone from her cause became a target?

The Admiral posted...

I think the #metoo movement in general was a good thing for the way it changed professional work environments, but let's not pretend there aren't a ton a abusers and scumbags proudly wearing #TimesUp pins and marching along side the victims despite being predators themselves. And let's also not pretend a lot of the accusations were bangwagon nonsense from people looking for attention.

It's important to call out both of those things when they happen else the entire movement is undermined.

What percentage of the accusations do you estimate to be bandwagon nonsense and how did you come to that number? And how do you personally determine which ones are fake and which ones are real?
---

Vertania posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

And both are wrong. It doesn't discredit a movement that clearly out grew both of them nor does it make them a "leader" of a cause

Are we just going to pretend that Time Magazine didn't feature her in their Person of the Year article as one of the movement's leaders and that she encouraged people to ignore due process, only changing her tune when someone from her cause became a target?

I don't give a damn about Time magazine, why do you? And yes, that makes her a hypocrite.

None of what you said discredited what I claimed, it was only real weak deflection and strawmanning.
---

The Great Muta 22 posted...

I don't give a damn about Time magazine, why do you?

"She was widely recognized as one of the most important leaders of the movement, but she said something stupid so now I'm gonna pretend that was irrelevant."

What it should point out is that the movement was built on demonizing people without legal evidence. Many people pushing it were fine when they used the tactic, even if it meant innocent people getting hurt.

It was a bad practice throughout the movement, but some people only recognize the issue once it's turned against them or someone they know.

ASithLord7 posted...

If a woman rapes a man its okay for women to be raped

---

*Person of money and influence gets accused of sexual assault by a young coworker*
"Boy, I guess the #MeToo movement was bullshit after all!"

C'mon people...

We wont know if MeToo truly changed anything for a while.

Ideally, it is a stepping stone for rebalancing the scales in cases of powerful people using their position to harass others. And it did take down a few gross people so...
---

I never saw her as a leader
---

Vertania posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

I don't give a damn about Time magazine, why do you?

"She was widely recognized as one of the most important leaders of the movement, but she said something stupid so now I'm gonna pretend that was irrelevant."

What it should point out is that the movement was built on demonizing people without legal evidence. Many people pushing it were fine when they used the tactic, even if it meant innocent people getting hurt.

It was a bad practice throughout the movement, but some people only recognize the issue once it's turned against them or someone they know.

Well yes, the movement easily out grew her and her being a hypocrite is a bad look.

What innocent people got hurt? Accusations without evidence are always bad, but that doesn't mean you deny all allegations as false. You treat them as allegations and treat each scenario differently dependent on the information.

You seem to have an issue with sexual harassers getting exposed and are using one womans stupid comment and another's horrible action to discredit the entire thing. Why?
---

The Great Muta 22 posted...

You seem to have an issue with sexual harassers getting exposed and are using one womans stupid comment and another's horrible action to discredit the entire thing. Why?

because
Vertania posted...

demonizing people without legal evidence.

Vertania posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

You seem to have an issue with sexual harassers getting exposed and are using one womans stupid comment and another's horrible action to discredit the entire thing. Why?

because
Vertania posted...

demonizing people without legal evidence.

Who? Name me people who were innocent and denied all charges that have been demonized
---