Poll of the Day > Is ordering a Pizza 30 minutes before they close a **** move?

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Imma being mean?
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30 minutes? No. 15 or less, yes.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

30 minutes? No. 15 or less, yes.

Even 15 is fine, assuming you're picking it up yourself. Even 10 minutes they could probably have it ready before closing time (well, places like Dominos, anyway)
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I always walk into the pizza place in town here 5 minutes before they close and offer them $10 for whatever pizza they have left on display. Usually I get a pizza and a half because they just throw it away. Good deal for the both of us.

If it was me I would call and just straightforwardly ask them if their driver was ok with making a delivery so late

You never know they may need the money and be happy to do it
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Of course not. If they close at 11, you're fine even if you order at exactly 11. If they wanted people to stop ordering 30 minutes before that, they should close 30 minutes earlier.
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Pulling in 40 minutes before close, the staff are clearly done for the night waiting for you to leave...

... and you pay with a literal tin full of coins

Thats a (was my) **** move
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Yes. The staff is probably cleaning or setting up for the next day by then.
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Well there's a difference between the workers just wanting to leave as soon as possible and not wanting any customers remotely near closing time, versus ordering so late that you force workers to stay late. 40 minutes before closing for a pizza place is annoying, sure, but there's nothing really wrong with that, just nice to be able to get everything out of the way. 10 minutes before closing... eh....

The important question to ask is "will what I'm doing make the workers stay late?"
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If they had a issue with it they wouldn't allow it so no.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Of course not. If they close at 11, you're fine even if you order at exactly 11. If they wanted people to stop ordering 30 minutes before that, they should close 30 minutes earlier.

But if they close at 11 why should you be able to order a pizza at 11
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A pizza really only takes 10 minutes to make, so I would say as long as you are within the 15 - 20 minutes before closing time range you are fine.
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wwinterj25 posted...

If they had a issue with it they wouldn't allow it so no.

You clearly have never worked in any restaurant
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30 is pushing it. If you pick it up, or live close and you keep the order simple I think it's fine. Tip well though.
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wwinterj25 posted...

If they had a issue with it they wouldn't allow it so no.

The bosses not having an issue with it doesn't mean the workers don't.

That being said, there's a middle ground between "you shouldn't order anything an hour before closing so they can clean" and "you should be able to order the nanosecond before closing."
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Of course not. If they close at 11, you're fine even if you order at exactly 11. If they wanted people to stop ordering 30 minutes before that, they should close 30 minutes earlier.

I'm pretty sure the cutoff for most pizza places for orders is 15 minutes before closing so you're wrong. And also you clearly havent worked in a restaurant if you think that's ok to do. Anyone who shows up at a sit down restaurant 5 minutes before closing is a prick

If they have a problem with even ordering at closing time, they should be fired. They get paid to work and get paid til they leave. Just because the staff is lazy and doesn't want to is a dick move on their part not yours. They are quite literally open for orders until the doors are locked.
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BADoglick posted...

You clearly have never worked in any restaurant

I wouldn't call a fast food place a restaurant but I've worked fast food.

Golden Road posted...

The bosses not having an issue with it doesn't mean the workers don't.

Clearly. It's however within the "rules" set for said workers thus not being a arsehole. Pubs and bars for example stop serving food a hour or so before they close so then they have time to clean everything down for the following day. If fast food joints continue serving until the very last minute, including delivering food then that's not my problem. The workers are unhappy? Well then it's the boss/company that's the arsehole not me.
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Every pizza place here has a final order time.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Clearly. It's however within the "rules" set for said workers thus not being a a******. Pubs and bars for example stop serving food a hour or so before they close so then they have time to clean everything down for the following day. If fast food joints continue serving until the very last minute, including delivering food then that's not my problem. The workers are unhappy? Well then it's the boss/company that's the a****** not me.

That's because fast food is way different. There's not as much to do at closing. But anyway, most restaurants have a cutoff for the kitchen. Only really corporate chains like chili's or something similar dont. There's a special place in hell for people that go to a restaurant like that right at closing time

OhhhJa posted...

That's because fast food is way different. There's not as much to do at closing. But anyway, most restaurants have a cutoff for the kitchen. Only really corporate chains like chili's or something similar dont. There's a special place in hell for people that go to a restaurant like that right at closing time

Pubs and the like are not fast food but that's why they stop serving a hour before closing. Much like most restaurants it seems. Again though if said establishment allows it the customer isn't in the wrong. The owners of said place are at fault.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Of course not. If they close at 11, you're fine even if you order at exactly 11. If they wanted people to stop ordering 30 minutes before that, they should close 30 minutes earlier.

No you're not. They close exactly at 11. Your argument would make sense if you said 10:59.
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Greenfox111 posted...

But if they close at 11 why should you be able to order a pizza at 11

"Closing" means the service that's being provided is stopping. Then once the place is closed is when they do things like cleaning up for the next day. So if a place wants to have clean up finished by 11 but they need 30 minutes to clean, then they should be closing at 10:30 instead of 11 because that's when they are wanting to stop the service.

OhhhJa posted...

I'm pretty sure the cutoff for most pizza places for orders is 15 minutes before closing so you're wrong. And also you clearly havent worked in a restaurant if you think that's ok to do. Anyone who shows up at a sit down restaurant 5 minutes before closing is a prick

I'll explain it a bit for you since you didn't grasp what I said in my post.

First off, I didn't say it's how it is, I said they should close 30 minutes earlier if they wanted to stop making pizzas at that time. Because, like I said in the response just above, the closing time is when you stop providing the service. And once again, just so you have less of a chance to miss it this time, I'm not saying that's how it is, I'm saying that's how it should be.

You clearly think you know about people's lives because you don't read posts correctly, but I have in fact worked at multiple restaurants. If you go to a burger joint 2 minutes before closing, they're still going to make your order. And I'm feeling this might be a foreign concept to you, but you can start cleaning things before closing while still being able to take and make orders.

Oh, and once again, just so you might read it this time, this is how it should be.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

I'll explain it a bit for you since you didn't grasp what I said in my post.

You do know OhhhJa didn't quote you right?
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wwinterj25 posted...

You do know OhhhJa didn't quote you right?

OhhhJa posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Of course not. If they close at 11, you're fine even if you order at exactly 11. If they wanted people to stop ordering 30 minutes before that, they should close 30 minutes earlier.

I'm pretty sure the cutoff for most pizza places for orders is 15 minutes before closing so you're wrong. And also you clearly havent worked in a restaurant if you think that's ok to do. Anyone who shows up at a sit down restaurant 5 minutes before closing is a prick

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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Greenfox111 posted...

But if they close at 11 why should you be able to order a pizza at 11

"Closing" means the service that's being provided is stopping. Then once the place is closed is when they do things like cleaning up for the next day. So if a place wants to have clean up finished by 11 but they need 30 minutes to clean, then they should be closing at 10:30 instead of 11 because that's when they are wanting to stop the service.

OhhhJa posted...

I'm pretty sure the cutoff for most pizza places for orders is 15 minutes before closing so you're wrong. And also you clearly havent worked in a restaurant if you think that's ok to do. Anyone who shows up at a sit down restaurant 5 minutes before closing is a prick

I'll explain it a bit for you since you didn't grasp what I said in my post.

First off, I didn't say it's how it is, I said they should close 30 minutes earlier if they wanted to stop making pizzas at that time. Because, like I said in the response just above, the closing time is when you stop providing the service. And once again, just so you have less of a chance to miss it this time, I'm not saying that's how it is, I'm saying that's how it should be.

You clearly think you know about people's lives because you don't read posts correctly, but I have in fact worked at multiple restaurants. If you go to a burger joint 2 minutes before closing, they're still going to make your order. And I'm feeling this might be a foreign concept to you, but you can start cleaning things before closing while still being able to take and make orders.

Oh, and once again, just so you might read it this time, this is how it should be.

Ah how predictable... "I've worked at many restaurants!!!"

I even mentioned pre closing in another post of mine so that's funny that you accuse me of not reading lol. Still, clearly I understand customers will come in regardless. But anyone with any brain cells or courtesy will realize, "wow I'm an asshole and waited too long and shouldn't go last minute." I wouldnt treat that person any worse than another customer but I would judge their character

OhhhJa posted...

But anyone with any brain cells or courtesy will realize, "wow I'm an asshole and waited too long and shouldn't go last minute."

Actually, a person with brain cells knows that you get your service until the establishments closing time. Because that's the time the place closes, it says so with the hours posted.

Now, if you go to a place last minute and sit there for like a half hour, yeah, you're being a jerk. But that's not what this is about, this is just about ordering. Since the topic was about pizza they probably took it home.

Next time I go to a pizza place, I'll look at their posted hours and see if it says anywhere on there when they stop making pizza. Since people in this topic think that's a different time than their posted closing time.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

But anyone with any brain cells or courtesy will realize, "wow I'm an asshole and waited too long and shouldn't go last minute."

Actually, a person with brain cells knows that you get your service until the establishments closing time. Because that's the time the place closes, it says so with the hours posted.

Now, if you go to a place last minute and sit there for like a half hour, yeah, you're being a jerk. But that's not what this is about, this is just about ordering. Since the topic was about pizza they probably took it home.

Next time I go to a pizza place, I'll look at their posted hours and see if it says anywhere on there when they stop making pizza. Since people in this topic think that's a different time than their posted closing time.

I also previously said that most pizza places (I believe a lot of major chains as well) will refuse to take orders within 15 to 30 minutes of closing time

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It's fine if you're picking it up yourself but if you want it delivered then yeah it's a dick move. Because that pizza will take 20 minutes to make and the driver isn't getting to your house and back all in 10 minutes, assuming he has no other deliveries he's finishing up

I wouldn't cut it that close. It messes up their routine
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

-snip-

I see. My bad.
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wwinterj25 posted...

Again though if said establishment allows it the customer isn't in the wrong. The owners of said place are at fault.

If you know that doing something is going to make the workers unhappy, and you do it anyway, you're an asshole. The owners are also assholes for establishing and enforcing rules which allow you to make the workers unhappy, but you can't suggest that you are in no way responsible just because you're the proximal cause of that unhappiness instead of the root one.
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adjl posted...

If you know that doing something is going to make the workers unhappy, and you do it anyway, you're an asshole.

To be honest I don't ask every food establishment I eat in "hey are you happy cooking this?" before I order. As far as I'm concerned if they are serving I'm eating. Apparently buying the food isn't enough these days. The customer also has to pay the staff with tips(in USA at least) and think if the worker is happy cooking the food before making a order. It's almost like the customer is running the place. Should I sit said worker down and offer them counselling too?
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Of course not. If they close at 11, you're fine even if you order at exactly 11. If they wanted people to stop ordering 30 minutes before that, they should close 30 minutes earlier.

This. Same goes for all jobs everywhere. You're being paid to be there. Do your job.
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DocDelicious posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Of course not. If they close at 11, you're fine even if you order at exactly 11. If they wanted people to stop ordering 30 minutes before that, they should close 30 minutes earlier.

This. Same goes for all jobs everywhere. You're being paid to be there. Do your job.

If you're paid hourly sure. But that's not the case for everyone

wwinterj25 posted...

To be honest I don't ask every food establishment I eat in "hey are you happy cooking this?" before I order.

C'mon man... it's called common sense and manners. Honestly, if you wouldnt feel like a cringefest walking into a sitdown restaurant 5 minutes before closing then you're just completely oblivious.

wwinterj25 posted...

To be honest I don't ask every food establishment I eat in "hey are you happy cooking this?" before I order.

It's almost like there's some degree of middle ground between being completely inconsiderate of workers and personally asking them if they're going to be annoyed or upset by everything you do. Obviously you don't have to take it extremes; I said "if you know you'll make them unhappy," not "if you haven't checked to see how they're going to feel about it." You know full well that workers are going to be annoyed if you sit down and order five minutes before closing, regardless of what the establishment's rules say. Ergo, choosing to do so means you are choosing to annoy them, and the establishment's rules don't change that that's what you're doing (unless you're really so clueless as to not realize what you're doing, in which case... that's what you're doing and now you know).

Does that mean you should never visit a restaurant near closing no matter what? Of course not. They are open that late, however annoying it may be, and sometimes that's the only time you can make it in. Just try to be considerate about it. If you can avoid it, try to. If you can't, try to make it easier for them, like ordering quickly, picking something that you expect will be simpler to make, and not paying in cash when they've already counted the tills. And tip well.

DocDelicious posted...

You're being paid to be there. Do your job.

Let's take that attitude to its logical extreme, and see if it holds up. Say there's a restaurant with a policy that they'll stay open past their posted closing time until they go 15 minutes without getting an order. Workers will still be paid full wages and even overtime for that full time, but they are expected to stay until the place closes no matter what their shift was scheduled to be. Knowing this, you organize a 120 people to call in orders at 10-minute intervals, starting five minutes before they close. This results in an additional 20 hours being added to their shifts.

Would you not, in this scenario, be an asshole (along with everyone who participated)? Would the workers not be entitled to complain about this steady stream of orders that resulted in them working obscenely long hours, despite getting paid quite reasonably for the time? Obviously, that's a stupid policy that probably violates a number of labour laws, so it's unlikely to continue after this particular incident draws attention to it, but the focus is on your decision to orchestrate these orders that so extended the shifts. Can you claim to be a reasonable, considerate person if you do this?

Quite simply, getting paid to do a job doesn't mean you can't complain about that job. That's an absolutely ridiculous attitude to take. There are reasonable limits on how much complaining is justifiable, certainly, but complaining about a customer who willfully makes the job worse is well within those limits. You know full well that most people in food service would rather go home at the scheduled end of their shift (which is often quite late, if they're closing) than make an extra 15 minutes' wages. Don't be that guy.
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adjl posted...

nonsense

DocDelicious posted...

You're being paid to be there. Do your job.

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DocDelicious posted...

adjl posted...

nonsense

DocDelicious posted...

You're being paid to be there. Do your job.

The typical argument of a fat basement dwelling jobless gamer who decided to use him mom's platinum visa to go get food after he beat the final boss just in time before they closed

OhhhJa posted...

DocDelicious posted...

adjl posted...

nonsense

DocDelicious posted...

You're being paid to be there. Do your job.

The typical argument of someone with some work ethic.

Full time job of 10 years with UPS, I sleep in my office almost every day from October to January and work over 60 hours a week year-round.
I just have no sympathy for lazy people.
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OhhhJa posted...

C'mon man... it's called common sense and manners. Honestly, if you wouldnt feel like a cringefest walking into a sitdown restaurant 5 minutes before closing then you're just completely oblivious.

TC didn't actually state restaurant though and if they are almost closing I'd have it as a take out. I don't rush eating my food.

adjl posted...

You know full well that workers are going to be annoyed if you sit down and order five minutes before closing, regardless of what the establishment's rules say. Ergo, choosing to do so means you are choosing to annoy them, and the establishment's rules don't change that that's what you're doing (unless you're really so clueless as to not realize what you're doing, in which case... that's what you're doing and now you know).

Choosing to do so means I'm hungry so I want to eat. I don't give a shit about some disgruntled employee. If they allow it, I'll take it. Although as I said above I wouldn't actually eat in knowing they are closing soon. I'd make a order then take it out.

adjl posted...

If you can't, try to make it easier for them, like ordering quickly, picking something that you expect will be simpler to make, and not paying in cash when they've already counted the tills. And tip well.

Nope I pay in cash and certainly don't tip. I simply order whatever I please. As I said this isn't my problem. If the place allows it I'll do it if I want. If they want that to change then the owners should change their policy and/or the employee should get another job. I'm not here to make sure employees are happy. They have something I want, I pay them for it and that's it. I don't act a dick to employees nor am I rude about things but this doesn't mean I give a shit about them just as I'm sure they don't give a fuck about me.
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wwinterj25 posted...

certainly don't tip

I don't act a dick to employees nor am I rude about things

hmm....
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wwinterj25 posted...

TC didn't actually state restaurant though and if they are almost closing I'd have it as a take out. I don't rush eating my food.

Fair enough but it sounded to me like you were making blanket statements about all restaurants and their operating hours

smak52607 posted...

I always walk into the pizza place in town here 5 minutes before they close and offer them $10 for whatever pizza they have left on display. Usually I get a pizza and a half because they just throw it away. Good deal for the both of us.

That's actually pretty smart. Would've pissed me off as an employee though because when I worked at Papa John's in high school our manager would just let us take home the cancelled/incorrect orders.

OhhhJa posted...

Fair enough but it sounded to me like you were making blanket statements about all restaurants and their operating hours

I mean I already said some places stop serving food at a certain time to eliminate this issue.
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OhhhJa posted...

The typical argument of a fat basement dwelling jobless gamer who decided to use him mom's platinum visa to go get food after he beat the final boss just in time before they closed

Well I mean that argument was nonsense. A scenario that would never happen anywhere in the world.

Greenfox111 posted...

hmm....

Who the hell tips fast food employees?
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DocDelicious posted...

OhhhJa posted...

DocDelicious posted...

adjl posted...

nonsense

DocDelicious posted...

You're being paid to be there. Do your job.

The typical argument of someone with some work ethic.

Full time job of 10 years with UPS, I sleep in my office almost every day from October to January and work over 60 hours a week year-round.
I just have no sympathy for lazy people.

Your indentured servitude is another issue entirely lol.

DocDelicious posted...

adjl posted...

nonsense

DocDelicious posted...

You're being paid to be there. Do your job.

What a well-reasoned argument. I can see you've put some real thought into your position.

wwinterj25 posted...

Choosing to do so means I'm hungry so I want to eat.

Presumably, yes. That is typically how people feel when they order food. Being hungry doesn't mean you aren't choosing to annoy employees who you know will be annoyed by your actions, though. Your choice can have more than one implication at a time.

wwinterj25 posted...

I don't give a s*** about some disgruntled employee.

Ergo, inconsiderate, also known as being an asshole. Quod erat demonstrandum.

Revelation34 posted...

Well I mean that argument was nonsense. A scenario that would never happen anywhere in the world.

I'm not sure you understand thought experiments...

DocDelicious posted...

Full time job of 10 years with UPS, I sleep in my office almost every day from October to January and work over 60 hours a week year-round.
I just have no sympathy for lazy people.

Sounds like a variant of Stockholm Syndrome to me. That's not really normal, and you should probably stop projecting your addiction onto other people. You should also stop leaving people's packages on doorsteps without waiting to make sure that they receive them, but that's a broader gripe with UPS and you may or may not actually do that.
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Greenfox111 posted...

hmm....

Hmm what? Not tipping doesn't make you a bad customer. What makes you a bad employee is expecting a tip.

adjl posted...

Ergo, inconsiderate, also known as being an asshole. Quod erat demonstrandum.

Not really. I can be polite and whatever without actually caring about someone.
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