Current Events > As of right now, Fire Emblem has MORE characters in Smash compared to Zelda.

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I don't care about the too many swords or 4 Marths argument. How is this even okay? Clear bias on the development team's part. Listen, I like Fire Emblem. I've played many of the games. I bought a Lucina body pillow for my cousin but this is outrageous.
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Would FE even be a popular anime if they didn't shoehorn Marth and Roy into Melee?
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Zelda... doesn't have a huge amount of iconic recurring characters.

but its called super fire emblem Bros
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It's a much better series than Zelda.
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Good.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Would FE even be a popular anime if they didn't shoehorn Marth and Roy into Melee?

Considering the series was struggling to sell until Awakening, Marth and Roy didn't make much of a difference.

Even Ike didn't really help sales
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One single FE game has almost as many named characters as the entire Zelda franchise put together. There's tons of characters to choose from and a much wider selection of characters that are actually important to their games and the FE franchise. The fact that Zelda's current reps include three different versions of Link is already an indictment on the Zelda franchise not having nearly as many viable character choices. FE doesn't have too many reps, but I do think the reps needed to have more varied weapon styles.
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I mean. I don't think the average gamer even knows what fire embelm is
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Considering the series was struggling to sell until Awakening, Marth and Roy didn't make much of a difference.

The first title in the West combined did close to the same amount as Awakening. What made the games struggle to sell was the lack of a marketing budget.
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To be fair, what Zelda character would you add at this point? There are plenty that could work, but I can't really think of any one in particular that has gotten a lot of fan support. The Fire Emblem characters are all there for a reason at least. And two of them are echoes anyway.
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Sad_Face posted...

The first title in the West combined did close to the same amount as Awakening. What made the games struggle to sell was the lack of a marketing budget.

That and a lack of printing. They did great with 7 and 8, but PoR was marketed poorly and shipped in limited quantities and Radiant Dawn copies was like finding a canteen in a desert. Didn't help the RD was on the Wii.

Shadow Dragon was also a terrible game and FE3 remake didn't even come here as a result.

Awakening kicked the series in the ass.
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At the moment.

I have a feeling we'll be getting a new Zelda character revealed soon.

ArchiePeck posted...

Zelda... doesn't have a huge amount of iconic recurring characters.

...Neither does Fire Emblem. The characters in Smash all show up in 1 or 2 games in the series tops.
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ArchiePeck posted...

Zelda... doesn't have a huge amount of iconic recurring characters.

Lucina, Chrom, Corrin, and Robin are not recurring characters.

I don't necessarily mind the quantity of character, so much as the lack of variety. If you want to have more FE reps diversify it. Give me Hector. Give me Ephraim.
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Roy is barely recurring, Ike was in two games.

Zelda has had tons of recurring characters not in Smash.
Vaati, Impa, Beetle, Tingle, King of Hyrule, Malon, The Postman etc

Banjo2553 posted...

At the moment.

I have a feeling we'll be getting a new Zelda character revealed soon.

Yeah a bunch of people think Skull Kid might be in just because they showed the Moon assist trophy and not Skull Kid's assist trophy. I don't buy it. I think if they had to add another Zelda character Impa or one of the BOTW Champions makes the most sense. The problem with Impa is that while she's in more games than any other character aside from the main three, she spends a lot of those games as an old woman. And the Champions are never going to be in a Zelda game again.
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The problem isn't that Fire Emblem has too many characters. The problem is all of them are sword fighters with similar styles.
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Gheb posted...

I don't necessarily mind the quantity of character, so much as the lack of variety. If you want to have more FE reps diversify it. Give me Hector. Give me Ephraim.

Same. We have like four FE characters that play similarly. We need more varied reps for classes. We have mages with Robin, and a dragon/lance unit with Corrin. How about an archer, or axe user?
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Banjo2553 posted...

At the moment.

I have a feeling we'll be getting a new Zelda character revealed soon.

Yeah a bunch of people think Skull Kid might be in just because they showed the Moon assist trophy and not Skull Kid's assist trophy. I don't buy it. I think if they had to add another Zelda character Impa or one of the BOTW Champions makes the most sense. The problem with Impa is that while she's in more games than any other character aside from the main three, she spends a lot of those games as an old woman. And the Champions are never going to be in a Zelda game again.

The mark against Skull Kid is that if he were in the game, the Moon would 100% be his final smash so it being an item isn't the a great sign for his inclusion.

I'd love it if I were wrong though.
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Gheb posted...

I don't necessarily mind the quantity of character, so much as the lack of variety. If you want to have more FE reps diversify it. Give me Hector. Give me Ephraim.

creativerealms posted...

The problem isn't that Fire Emblem has too many characters. The problem is all of them are sword fighters with similar styles.

Conflict posted...

Now this is a complaint I can get behind

It's weird how there's no axe or lance wielders in the 7 characters they selected

Banjo2553 posted...

Same. We have like four FE characters that play similarly. We need more varied reps for classes. We have mages with Robin, and a dragon/lance unit with Corrin. How about an archer, or axe user?

YES! Thank you! I agree, we need more than just sword users. They could have easily added Hector as an echo of Ike instead of Chrom. They could add Azura to represent lances. Hell, they could even change Lucina and/or Ike to their "brave" versions from Fire Emblem Heroes, where Lucina wields a lance and Ike wields an axe.

Robin and Corrin were a step in the right direction because they fought with more than just a sword, but they need to take that farther, not add more sword wielders.
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Gheb posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Banjo2553 posted...

At the moment.

I have a feeling we'll be getting a new Zelda character revealed soon.

Yeah a bunch of people think Skull Kid might be in just because they showed the Moon assist trophy and not Skull Kid's assist trophy. I don't buy it. I think if they had to add another Zelda character Impa or one of the BOTW Champions makes the most sense. The problem with Impa is that while she's in more games than any other character aside from the main three, she spends a lot of those games as an old woman. And the Champions are never going to be in a Zelda game again.

The mark against Skull Kid is that if he were in the game, the Moon would 100% be his final smash so it being an item isn't the a great sign for his inclusion.

I'd love it if I were wrong though.

That's a good point. I don't know what other Final Smash they could possibly use.
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You guys may have liked their "variety," but they should have never included Robin and Corrin

They are not popular characters, in-fact, they aren't even characters, they are player avatars. Even with the smash bros boost, they lose every character poll in Fire Emblem Heroes.

The 8 most popular Fire Emblem Characters (by far) are
1. Lyn
2. Ike
3. Lucina
4. Roy
5. Hector
6. Celica
7. Ephraim
8. Camilla

If they wanted to add a lance user, they could have added Ephraim
If they wanted to add a bow user, they could have added Lyn
If they wanted to add an axe user, they could have added Hector
If they wanted to add a tome user, they could have added Celica

But instead, they gave us a bunch of garbage.

I'm sorry, but Corrin and Robin are fucking garbage. And we have THREE Awakening characters lmao.
Either just add Chrom or don't add any at all. I only think Lucina is popular because of the Smash bump anyway.

Conflict posted...

Wait you mean to tell me a series that has a new protagonist every single fucking title with loads of new units has more characters than a franchise in which the protagonist and main victim literally never change?

Get out of town

Fire Emblem isnt even in the same league as Zelda or Pokmon or Mario. Like I said, I like Fire Emblem but its a little overdone at this point. I was using Zelda to make a point.
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Them being player avatars is why they're chosen. Same thing will happen with the next Smash Bros game when they add the new Fire Emblem avatar.

The thing is characters like Roy, Robin and Corrin were likely only really intended to be in one Smash game. But now we have a game that's bringing back everyone.
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How is Tingle not playable
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Conflict posted...

This is false. Despite being customizable they still have decorated personalities and character traits

And eh, who cares about popularity. Them being avatars added an interesting dynamic to the roster

They barely have any character. Corrin is an optimistic idiot, Robin is ???.
They are truly garbage characters, I was actually mad when they got added. I can't even think of worse characters off the top of my head from the Fire Emblem series.

They might as well add Mark the Tactician from FE7 at this point lmfao

Personally I would love to have Manakete in the game. Be it Tiki or well any of them really.
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how many characters does Zelda even have? the only ones that matter are like, Link Zelda and Ganon
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As a fan of both series, I'm so fucking tired of Zelda fans saying this shit.
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Who cares

The real tragedy is

Ganondorf: Still derivative of Falcon
Link, Y Link, T Link: Basically the same.
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They should put in skull kid with majora's mask on.

Also Zant.
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MakoReizei posted...

how many characters does Zelda even have? the only ones that matter are like, Link Zelda and Ganon

They could easily add Impa.

Darmik posted...

Them being player avatars is why they're chosen. Same thing will happen with the next Smash Bros game when they add the new Fire Emblem avatar.

No. I'm going to continue to hope against hope that Three Houses doesn't have an avatar character.
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Character development is not a strength of Zelda
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Self-insert avatar characters are the worst thing to happen to Fire Emblem imo

Gheb posted...

Darmik posted...

Them being player avatars is why they're chosen. Same thing will happen with the next Smash Bros game when they add the new Fire Emblem avatar.

No. I'm going to continue to hope against hope that Three Houses doesn't have an avatar character.

In that case whoever the main character is will get chosen.

Hell they might even be DLC for Smash Bros Ultimate like Corrin was.
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Conflict posted...

Apocalyptic posted...

Conflict posted...

Wait you mean to tell me a series that has a new protagonist every single fucking title with loads of new units has more characters than a franchise in which the protagonist and main victim literally never change?

Get out of town

Fire Emblem isnt even in the same league as Zelda or Pokmon or Mario. Like I said, I like Fire Emblem but its a little overdone at this point. I was using Zelda to make a point.

It has nothing to do with "leagues"

Look at post #21

That has nothing to do with what Im talking about. Even if I pretend for the sake of argument that it does, my point still stands. Fire Emblem was fine when the series was having a rep per era. Now, were at 3 reps from Awakening. Awakening was a fine game. Sunk a lot of time into it personally. Does that mean we need Robin, Chrom, and Lucina? Nah.
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Sad_Face posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Considering the series was struggling to sell until Awakening, Marth and Roy didn't make much of a difference.

The first title in the West combined did close to the same amount as Awakening.

970K compared to 2.10m isn't exactly close
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Awakening did 2 million? I thought it did over 1.5 million. Oh. I sit corrected on the sales numbers.
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Chrom and Lucina got in because they're clones. Fire Emblem is a series ripe for clones in a way that most other Nintendo franchises aren't.
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Milkman5 posted...

I can't even think of worse characters off the top of my head from the Fire Emblem series.

FE12's avatar, some bland Mary Sue character shoehorned into a plot that got along just fine without them, and whose primary character trait is that they're loyal to Marth. Like, that's seriously all they care about, no ambition of their own outside of serving as Marth's bodyguard.
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