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antfair 08/02/18 12:44:06 PM #1:	1. That's the point of a primary process 2. This is what people were writing four years ago about the GOP https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/rand-paul-is-the-2016-republican-frontrunner/283258/ So if Christie is no longer the candidate to beat in the 2016 Republican race, who is? Believe it or not, its Rand Paul. https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-gop-already-has-a-2016-front-runner-for-vice-president Ask any two Republicans who their choice is for president in 2016 and youll get three answers; but when it comes to the GOP choice for vice president, theres an emerging sense of agreement, especially in the establishment wing of the party: Senator Kelly Ayotte. https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2014/04/07/why-rands-the-current-2016-gop-front-runner But one thing that cant be questioned is Pauls polling consistency, which has earned him the tenuous title of front-runner. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-ted-cruz-could-win-in-2016/ Ted Cruz is the current front-runner for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination. https://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/republicans-2016-elections-111644 The message from Republican officials has been crystal clear for two years: The 2016 Republican primary cannot be another prolonged pummeling of the eventual nominee. Only one person ultimately benefited from that last time Barack Obama and Republicans know they cant afford to send a hobbled nominee up against Hillary Clinton. ... At least 15 Republicans are weighing campaigns, with no clear front-runner. Contrast that with Clinton, who has solidified her Democratic support to a deeper extent than any candidate in recent memory. https://newrepublic.com/article/120517/republican-party-has-no-frontrunner-2016-presidential-nomination In fact, that represents the state of the Republican primary at this moment. Since the beginning of November, right-winger Ben Carson, Senator Ted Cruz, and Senator Rand Paul have all been called the frontrunner for the GOP nomination. After Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker won reelection, he was often talked about as the leading Republican. Many other conservatives are in the mix as well. In other words, its hard to say who really is leading the primary, and that message is echoed in the contradictory articles in Tuesdays papers. https://www.cnn.com/2014/12/28/politics/bush-leads-gop-field-poll/ Jeb Bush is the clear Republican presidential frontrunner, surging to the front of the potential GOP pack following his announcement that he's "actively exploring" a bid, a new CNN/ORC poll found. He takes nearly one-quarter 23% of Republicans surveyed in the new nationwide poll, putting him 10 points ahead of his closest competitor, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who tallied 13%. I also came across this opinion piece, which seems oddly prescient now https://www.sentinelcolorado.com/opinion/dupuy-new-gop-frontrunner-2016-vladimir-putin/ --- What is this, a fair for ants? <cite>antfair posted [p:906145318] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>1. That's the point of a primary process 2. This is what people were writing four years ago about the GOP https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/rand-paul-is-the-2016-republican-frontrunner/283258/ <quote>So if Christie is no longer the candidate to beat in the 2016 Republican race, who is? Believe it or not, its Rand Paul.</quote> https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-gop-already-has-a-2016-front-runner-for-vice-president <quote>Ask any two Republicans who their choice is for president in 2016 and youll get three answers; but when it comes to the GOP choice for vice president, theres an emerging sense of agreement, especially in the establishment wing of the party: Senator Kelly Ayotte.</quote> https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2014/04/07/why-rands-the-current-2016-gop-front-runner <quote> But one thing that cant be questioned is Pauls polling consistency, which has earned him the tenuous title of front-runner. </quote> https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-ted-cruz-could-win-in-2016/ <quote>Ted Cruz is the current front-runner for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination.</quote> https://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/republicans-2016-elections-111644 <quote>The message from Republican officials has been crystal clear for two years: The 2016 Republican primary cannot be another prolonged pummeling of the eventual nominee. Only one person ultimately benefited from that last time Barack Obama and Republicans know they cant afford to send a hobbled nominee up against Hillary Clinton. ... At least 15 Republicans are weighing campaigns, with no clear front-runner. Contrast that with Clinton, who has solidified her Democratic support to a deeper extent than any candidate in recent memory.</quote> https://newrepublic.com/article/120517/republican-party-has-no-frontrunner-2016-presidential-nomination <quote>In fact, that represents the state of the Republican primary at this moment. Since the beginning of November, right-winger Ben Carson, Senator Ted Cruz, and Senator Rand Paul have all been called the frontrunner for the GOP nomination. After Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker won reelection, he was often talked about as the leading Republican. Many other conservatives are in the mix as well. In other words, its hard to say who really is leading the primary, and that message is echoed in the contradictory articles in Tuesdays papers.</quote> https://www.cnn.com/2014/12/28/politics/bush-leads-gop-field-poll/ <quote>Jeb Bush is the clear Republican presidential frontrunner, surging to the front of the potential GOP pack following his announcement that he's "actively exploring" a bid, a new CNN/ORC poll found. He takes nearly one-quarter 23% of Republicans surveyed in the new nationwide poll, putting him 10 points ahead of his closest competitor, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who tallied 13%.</quote> I also came across this opinion piece, which seems oddly prescient now https://www.sentinelcolorado.com/opinion/dupuy-new-gop-frontrunner-2016-vladimir-putin/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 08/02/18 12:44:35 PM #2:	it will once again be her turn --- "There is value in segregation." - qwertyman2002 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:906145344] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>it will once again be her turn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 08/02/18 12:44:47 PM #3:	look at this meltdown. --- "No it doesn't. Abortion has never killed a single baby." - Russian Rocket <cite>Caution999 posted [p:906145359] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>look at this meltdown.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
antfair 08/02/18 12:50:49 PM #4:	AlephZero posted... it will once again be her turn Bet you my account it won't. --- What is this, a fair for ants? <cite>antfair posted [p:906145683] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>it will once again be her turn</quote> Bet you my account it won't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/02/18 12:53:06 PM #5:	Caution999 posted... look at this meltdown. What do you think that word means? --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:906145798] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>look at this meltdown.</quote> What do you think that word means?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 08/02/18 12:55:52 PM #6:	Antifar posted... What do you think that word means? You made a post that was longer than 3 lines, so clearly you are crying profusely into your phone while you share every social media post with Fallout Boy lyrics you can find. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:906145938] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>What do you think that word means?</quote> You made a post that was longer than 3 lines, so clearly you are crying profusely into your phone while you share every social media post with Fallout Boy lyrics you can find.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NYmasajista 08/02/18 12:57:57 PM #7:	It's not really that they don't have anybody, it's that they have a very poor chance of winning the presidency. This is the same party that couldn't beat W back in 2004, and are the reason that Trump is the president right now. The last time a sitting president didn't get reelected was 1992, and that was because Ross Perot split up the repubs, plus we'll most likely be in a huge war with Iran in 2020 so Trump's chances look really good right now. Of course many things will happen between now and the election so all we can do right now is speculate. <cite>NYmasajista posted [p:906146057] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>It's not really that they don't have anybody, it's that they have a very poor chance of winning the presidency. This is the same party that couldn't beat W back in 2004, and are the reason that Trump is the president right now. The last time a sitting president didn't get reelected was 1992, and that was because Ross Perot split up the repubs, plus we'll most likely be in a huge war with Iran in 2020 so Trump's chances look really good right now. Of course many things will happen between now and the election so all we can do right now is speculate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 08/02/18 12:58:09 PM #8:	Not having a chosen one is a good thing for the Democrats this time around. The open field helped the Republicans and hurt the Dems in 2016, anyone who didnt see that isnt really worth taking seriously. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:906146074] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>Not having a chosen one is a good thing for the Democrats this time around. The open field helped the Republicans and hurt the Dems in 2016, anyone who didnt see that isnt really worth taking seriously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/02/18 12:59:41 PM #9:	I hope steve bullock runs --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:906146132] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>I hope steve bullock runs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 08/02/18 12:59:58 PM #10:	Antifar posted... Caution999 posted... look at this meltdown. What do you think that word means? I'm using this word the same way @The_Great_Muta_22 uses it. --- "No it doesn't. Abortion has never killed a single baby." - Russian Rocket <cite>Caution999 posted [p:906146149] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>look at this meltdown.</quote> What do you think that word means?</quote> I'm using this word the same way @The_Great_Muta_22 uses it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/02/18 1:01:19 PM #11:	NYmasajista posted... This is the same party that couldn't beat W back in 2004, and are the reason that Trump is the president right now. W was significantly more popular than Trump. On election day 2004, Gallup had his approval rating at 48-47. Trump's highest point so far was 45-50. NYmasajista posted... plus we'll most likely be in a huge war with Iran in 2020 so Trump's chances look really good right now. Nobody, not even Trump voters, actually wants that, though. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:906146212] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote><cite>NYmasajista posted...</cite> <quote>This is the same party that couldn't beat W back in 2004, and are the reason that Trump is the president right now. </quote> W was significantly more popular than Trump. On election day 2004, Gallup had his approval rating at 48-47. Trump's highest point so far was 45-50. <cite>NYmasajista posted...</cite> <quote>plus we'll most likely be in a huge war with Iran in 2020 so Trump's chances look really good right now.</quote> Nobody, not even Trump voters, actually wants that, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 08/02/18 1:02:55 PM #12:	i think with the 2016 election & trump, all the previous rules about running for president have been thrown out. the democrats need someone who has the "charisma" to actually stand up to donald trump and essentially not get meme'd to death, while simultaneously reinventing the party's image (as baby boomers continue to die off) all the while still being an establishment choice that will please the billionaires funding this charade it's a tough choice and i dont think the democrats have a deep bench for how they will have to play this going forward --- https://imgur.com/LhwwG <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:906146308] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>i think with the 2016 election & trump, all the previous rules about running for president have been thrown out. the democrats need someone who has the "charisma" to actually stand up to donald trump and essentially not get meme'd to death, while simultaneously reinventing the party's image (as baby boomers continue to die off) all the while still being an establishment choice that will please the billionaires funding this charade it's a tough choice and i dont think the democrats have a deep bench for how they will have to play this going forward</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 08/02/18 1:04:27 PM #13:	I feel the same way about the times articles asking if Democrats have gone 'too far to the left,' but then failing to offer examples of far democratic policies beyond stuff like 'medicare for all,' increasing funding for infrastructure recovery, and repealing this immoral tax cut. They think they're being biased towards the middle, but don't understand how far right the overton window has shifted these past fifteen years. And they can't see past the profitability of drudging up conflict to create ad revenue. Don't ask me about my 'liberal rage' when children are being separated from their asylum-seeking parents and held as bargaining chips to coerce those parents into giving up their asylum case. Two years ago, we wouldn't have even thought our nation capable of something like that. The government mismanagement of the Flint water crisis or the recovery of Puerto Rico, where are those stories? Why aren't we seeing them, because our public attention there might help solve those problems. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:906146373] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>I feel the same way about the times articles asking if Democrats have gone 'too far to the left,' but then failing to offer examples of far democratic policies beyond stuff like 'medicare for all,' increasing funding for infrastructure recovery, and repealing this immoral tax cut. They think they're being biased towards the middle, but don't understand how far right the overton window has shifted these past fifteen years. And they can't see past the profitability of drudging up conflict to create ad revenue. Don't ask me about my 'liberal rage' when children are being separated from their asylum-seeking parents and held as bargaining chips to coerce those parents into giving up their asylum case. Two years ago, we wouldn't have even thought our nation capable of something like that. The government mismanagement of the Flint water crisis or the recovery of Puerto Rico, where are those stories? Why aren't we seeing them, because our public attention there might help solve those problems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 08/02/18 1:05:16 PM #14:	The reason people think this is that Trump never stopped campaigning. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:906146421] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>The reason people think this is that Trump never stopped campaigning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 08/02/18 1:05:56 PM #15:	Hillary Bernie Biden Nancy Pelosi --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:906146447] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>Hillary Bernie Biden Nancy Pelosi</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alphamon 08/02/18 1:06:26 PM #16:	NYmasajista posted... This is the same party that couldn't beat W back in 2004, to be fair, in relative terms, the GOP peaked in terms of popularity in 2004. as in bush got more votes in 04 than mccain or romney did despite more elligible voters <cite>Alphamon posted [p:906146471] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote><cite>NYmasajista posted...</cite> <quote>This is the same party that couldn't beat W back in 2004, </quote> to be fair, in relative terms, the GOP peaked in terms of popularity in 2004. as in bush got more votes in 04 than mccain or romney did despite more elligible voters</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VectorChaos 08/02/18 1:09:18 PM #17:	AlephZero posted... it will once again be her turn Cyborg Zombie Hillary will still be running for President in the 3000's ~~and still losing~~ --- "Donald Trump has the most presidential penis of all time" - DifferentialEquation <cite>VectorChaos posted [p:906146628] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>it will once again be her turn</quote> Cyborg Zombie Hillary will still be running for President in the 3000's and still losing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 08/02/18 1:10:00 PM #18:	Bush Jr had a HUGE boost in popularity after 9/11 and it was still high during that election. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:906146672] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>Bush Jr had a HUGE boost in popularity after 9/11 and it was still high during that election.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NYmasajista 08/02/18 1:28:27 PM #19:	Antifar posted... NYmasajista posted... plus we'll most likely be in a huge war with Iran in 2020 so Trump's chances look really good right now. Nobody, not even Trump voters, actually wants that, though. Since when has it mattered what we want? <cite>NYmasajista posted [p:906147656] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NYmasajista posted...</cite> <quote>plus we'll most likely be in a huge war with Iran in 2020 so Trump's chances look really good right now.</quote> Nobody, not even Trump voters, actually wants that, though.</quote> Since when has it mattered what we want?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/02/18 1:30:52 PM #20:	NYmasajista posted... Since when has it mattered what we want? We're talking about an election. Like, you can make a case that Trump won in the midwest (by narrow margins) specifically because of Hillary's vote for Iraq; those voters won't support a bigger, dumber, less justifiable war with Iran. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:906147810] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote><cite>NYmasajista posted...</cite> <quote>Since when has it mattered what we want? </quote> We're talking about an election. Like, you can make a case that Trump won in the midwest (by narrow margins) specifically because of Hillary's vote for Iraq; those voters won't support a bigger, dumber, less justifiable war with Iran.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 08/02/18 1:34:29 PM #21:	Yeah it's dumb. Bernie or Warren obviously. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:906148027] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>Yeah it's dumb. Bernie or Warren obviously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aloner 08/02/18 1:35:08 PM #22:	The frontrunners are Biden and Bernie, who are old as fuck, barely coherent, have tons of dirt on them, and are each disliked by half of their electorate. --- 1 line break(s), 160 characters allowed. <cite>Aloner posted [p:906148066] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>The frontrunners are Biden and Bernie, who are old as fuck, barely coherent, have tons of dirt on them, and are each disliked by half of their electorate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaiganeer 08/02/18 1:36:09 PM #23:	oprah <cite>Kaiganeer posted [p:906148131] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>oprah</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/02/18 1:39:53 PM #24:	Aloner posted... The frontrunners are Biden and Bernie, who are old as fuck, barely coherent, have tons of dirt on them, and are each disliked by half of their electorate. That's cool, but also the point of this topic is that it doesn't matter who the front-runner is in August 2018. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:906148345] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aloner posted...</cite> <quote>The frontrunners are Biden and Bernie, who are old as fuck, barely coherent, have tons of dirt on them, and are each disliked by half of their electorate.</quote> That's cool, but also the point of this topic is that it doesn't matter who the front-runner is in August 2018.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/02/18 1:41:18 PM #25:	Why don't the democrats just dogpile sixteen candidates and see what happens? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906148432] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>Why don't the democrats just dogpile sixteen candidates and see what happens?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 08/02/18 1:41:42 PM #26:	Questionmarktarius posted... Why don't the democrats just dogpile sixteen candidates and see what happens? that is what will happen --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:906148459] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Why don't the democrats just dogpile sixteen candidates and see what happens?</quote> that is what will happen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScaredKitty 08/02/18 1:45:15 PM #27:	it's obviously going to be sanders or biden who get the nomination regardless of who else runs. --- You got a PSG-1? You could use that against Albert Wesker. Hurry up, and save Jill! <cite>ScaredKitty posted [p:906148659] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>it's obviously going to be sanders or biden who get the nomination regardless of who else runs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/02/18 1:46:02 PM #28:	Balrog0 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Why don't the democrats just dogpile sixteen candidates and see what happens? that is what will happen Good. Being an "anointed one" from the start certainly didn't help Hillary. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906148698] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Why don't the democrats just dogpile sixteen candidates and see what happens?</quote> that is what will happen</quote> Good. Being an "anointed one" from the start certainly didn't help Hillary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 08/02/18 1:46:36 PM #29:	Biden won't go far if he's gonna be on the same old shit. Pro banks and corporations is a loser. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:906148724] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>Biden won't go far if he's gonna be on the same old shit. Pro banks and corporations is a loser.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 08/02/18 1:46:50 PM #30:	ScaredKitty posted... it's obviously going to be sanders or biden who get the nomination regardless of who else runs. I don't think Biden stands a chance, tbh. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:906148735] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote><cite>ScaredKitty posted...</cite> <quote>it's obviously going to be sanders or biden who get the nomination regardless of who else runs.</quote> I don't think Biden stands a chance, tbh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 08/02/18 1:48:48 PM #31:	It's Hillary's turn god dammit. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:906148855] in The "... [t:76864396]...</cite> <quote>It's Hillary's turn god dammit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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