Current Events > Why hasn't most African countries been developed and brought to the 21 century?

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There are trillions of dollars to be made out there but at the same time we can help the local people have better quality of life by developing their country. No more walking in bear feet, clean water to drink and take showers, they can live in high rises instead of living in huts, tents or outside the wilderness and always getting eat up by lions, the weather is always hot their so I am sure they can grow some food year round where other countries can't then trade those food around the world, create animal farms or whatever they're called and raise chickens, cows,vegetables, etc. so they don't go hungry but instead they now have food sources they can rely on instead of relying on other countries dropping food then have the local thugs steal it all up, have actual schools, no more living like cavemen, etc. Since the U.S. want to play hero all the damn time when it suits them, they should offer a lot of resources to help build up African countries that need developing and have them develop their own army. Then once they're at least a 2nd world country or 1st world, the U.S. have a powerful ally.

It doesnt help that Africans should have advanced and modernized first. Why didnt they?
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Something something white people
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Lots of corruption and unrest
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China's already doing that, and without all of the slavery and exploitation and genocide that European nations enacted when they tried the same thing.
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Mist_Turnips posted...

Something something white people

https://pomf.space/NJn1Gsr.png

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RedWhiteBlue posted...

Fluttershy462 posted...

It doesnt help that Africans should have advanced and modernized first. Why didnt they?

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It's pretty wild how the dude that wants to fuck cartoon horses is so racist.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

RedWhiteBlue posted...

Fluttershy462 posted...

It doesnt help that Africans should have advanced and modernized first. Why didnt they?

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It's pretty wild how the dude that wants to fuck cartoon horses is so racist.

He's got the trifecta

Pony name/avatar? Check
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it's cuz a lot of african countries are still ruled by dictatorships and have a lot of coups and civil wars. corruption is rampant too.
not very attractive to invest in. china is trying to do some investing, not sure how that's gonna pay off though
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hasn't
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A_Good_Boy posted...

RedWhiteBlue posted...

Fluttershy462 posted...

It doesnt help that Africans should have advanced and modernized first. Why didnt they?

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It's pretty wild how the dude that wants to fuck cartoon horses is so racist.

???

Whats racist about my post?
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Highwind07 posted...

Nigeria and Morocco are pretty rich >_>.

Nigerias prince keeps lording it over me too. Hes a jerk.
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Oakland510_ posted...

No more walking in bear feet

So they can't wear these anymore?

https://imgur.com/1qnQP5A

Also it's because Europe had no actual interest in developing Africa.
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Most of Africa is indefensible which means you get invaded and colonized and cant advance.
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The white farmers are trying their best. Their government is getting in the way though
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Because you can't ride zebras.

I believe you can't donate directly to help modernize Africa so you can only donate through their government. Problem is, their government has trillions but they dont spend on it on modernizing their countries.

They have been?
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Would be funny if there was really a hidden country in Africa more advanced than the rest of the world ala Wakanda
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Wakanda question is this
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bob742omb posted...

it's cuz a lot of african countries are still ruled by dictatorships and have a lot of coups and civil wars.

This.
Strongmen are why Africa is generally awful. Incidentally, Central America as well.

You don't understand exactly how importwnt a few thousand years of a singular ideology that everyone subscribes and submits to can do for a continent.

Before humans can progress in any significant manner they need to have some semblance of belonging to a group, else all you will have is constant tribal warfare even when there isnt war there will be no such thing as a "common good". You can only achieve this by literally killing off other tribes and ethnic groups, or by religion. You also need something to keep kings, chiefs, and dictators accountable such that they don't descend into unfettered tyranny.

What did Europe have that Africa doesn't? The answer is Christianity. Even though Europe had a bunch of different countries they were United in Christianity and even their kings felt subject to the laws of God the Holy Roman Church and Gods representative on this earth in the pope.

You will note a similar advanced civilization flourished under the Islamic Caliphates and the coalescing of many different people's around Allah and the prophet Muhammad.

In China you had s single ethnic group in the Han Chinese dominating the entire continent.

Africa will not prosper as they currently are and have been just a hundred different tribes and ethnic groups with no unifying ideology.
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Omega Hunter posted...

What did Europe have that Africa doesn't? The answer is Christianity. Even though Europe had a bunch of different countries they were United in Christianity and even their kings felt subject to the laws of God the Holy Roman Church and Gods representative on this earth in the pope.

Only because Charlemagne's "tribe" won.

Then once they're at least a 2nd world country or 1st world, the U.S. have a powerful ally.

Africa is not a country and they have highly developed countries in Africa: Egypt, Nigeria, South Africa, Morocco

Questionmarktarius posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

What did Europe have that Africa doesn't? The answer is Christianity. Even though Europe had a bunch of different countries they were United in Christianity and even their kings felt subject to the laws of God the Holy Roman Church and Gods representative on this earth in the pope.

Only because Charlemagne's "tribe" won.

Exactly but before human civilizations can progress you need either 1 tribe to "win" or various tribes to submit to a unifying ideology such that they don't necessarily see each other as completely "others".

A Zulu tribesmen had no reason to ever consider another African his brother. However a French guy could at least consider an English guy a fellow Christian and not only did that decrease the "other ness". It provides a unifying ideology and way of thinking such that they REALLY did have thing in common.

Christianity take a this a step further and is even better for this purpose in that it was a religion that sanctified the value of all human beings as children of God equally deserving of respect and being born with an inherent value.

You simply cannot underestimate how important this sort of thinking is in preventing crimes against humanity and wide scale unceasing total war amongst different tribes. The sort of thing that keeps human minds worried about surviving another day and not thinking about how to make the world better and more prosperous.
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Apartheid played a role I would imagine
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They're waiting till America does it first.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Then once they're at least a 2nd world country or 1st world, the U.S. have a powerful ally.

Africa is not a country and they have highly developed countries in Africa: Egypt, Nigeria, South Africa, Morocco

I wouldn't call this ehighly developed. They have very high rates of poverty. I wouldn't consider having a handful of rich people "developed".
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Omega Hunter posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

What did Europe have that Africa doesn't? The answer is Christianity. Even though Europe had a bunch of different countries they were United in Christianity and even their kings felt subject to the laws of God the Holy Roman Church and Gods representative on this earth in the pope.

Only because Charlemagne's "tribe" won.

Exactly but before human civilizations can progress you need either 1 tribe to "win" or various tribes to submit to a unifying ideology such that they don't necessarily see each other as completely "others".

A Zulu tribesmen had no reason to ever consider another African his brother. However a French guy could at least consider an English guy a fellow Christian and not only did that decrease the "other ness". It provides a unifying ideology and way of thinking such that they REALLY did have thing in common.

Christianity take a this a step further and is even better for this purpose in that it was a religion that sanctified the value of all human beings as children of God equally deserving of respect and being born with an inherent value.

You simply cannot underestimate how important this sort of thinking is in preventing crimes against humanity and wide scale unceasing total war amongst different tribes. The sort of thing that keeps human minds worried about surviving another day and not thinking about how to make the world better and more prosperous.

Wasnt there multiple splits in Christianity and different churches that didnt get along...I think youre over reaching with this one religion thing

CruelBuffalo posted...

Wasnt there multiple splits in Christianity and different churches that didnt get along...I think youre over reaching with this one religion thing

Outside of eradicating the Templars, religious wars and inquisitions in Europe were mostly just excuses for chasing away the Jews.

CruelBuffalo posted...

Wasnt there multiple splits in Christianity and different churches that didnt get along...I think youre over reaching with this one religion thing

Doesn't matter they all believed in Jesus Christ the son of God who died for all humanity. Whether there were different denominations didn't change the fact that they had a singular unifying ideology.

The second component to why Africa didn't progress like Europe is climate and native animal population. Harsh climate (sit still for 5 months by a fire and do nothing but think about how much your life sucks and how to make it better cuz its too fucking cold to go outside) and large beasts of burden that can be harnessed for production (horses and oxen) do wonders for human advancement.

Harsh climate also helps in that you have to think longer and harder about how to survive because mangos and bananas aren't just falling from the trees and knocking you in the head like in Africa.
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Omega Hunter posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Wasnt there multiple splits in Christianity and different churches that didnt get along...I think youre over reaching with this one religion thing

Doesn't matter they all believed in Jesus Christ the son of God who died for all humanity. Whether there were different denominations didn't change the fact that they had a singular unifying ideology.

The second component to why Africa didn't progress like Europe is climate and native animal population. Harsh climate (sit still for 5 months by a fire and do nothing but think about how much your life sucks and how to make it better cuz its too fucking cold to go outside) and large beasts of burden that can be harnessed for production (horses and oxen) do wonders for human advancement.

Harsh climate also helps in that you have to think longer and harder about how to survive because mangos and bananas aren't just falling from the trees and knocking you in the head like in Africa.

Actually, Europe had a milder climate, therefore is was easier to increase agricultural output.
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Doesn't matter they all believed in Jesus Christ the son of God who died for all humanit

Lol they sure didnt look at it that way during those splits and fighting

A_Good_Boy posted...

China's already doing that, and without all of the slavery and exploitation and genocide that European nations enacted when they tried the same thing.

Oh young, naive one...
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A_Good_Boy posted...

RedWhiteBlue posted...

Fluttershy462 posted...

It doesnt help that Africans should have advanced and modernized first. Why didnt they?

Uh oh

Oh no

NOBODY POST

It's pretty wild how the dude that wants to fuck cartoon horses is so racist.

hahaha true
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The answer is complex. But it boils down to this:

If you want to open a business in say, Canada, France, Spain, England, USA (pre-45, anyway, we don't know how the country will change in 3 or 7 years, it may probably become more protectionist and racial) or Australia, all you have to do is to check the legal requirements, invest the money and open your business.

If the business booms, you boom, then you generate jobs, there's economic output and that drives the economy.

If you want to open a business in Sierra Leone or whatever, there's a net of corruption you have to navigate through. You can't do it alone. You need bribes, favors, and paying off people. And then in some countries also some mobster will show up and demand that you gotta pay a cut to the mob every month or else something will happen to you or your business. So people either don't open businesses, or flee, or the businesses fail.

This has an exponential effect on the economy.
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BJ is right that corruption is a huge problem.

Another thing I want to point out is just how young so many African nations are. By young I mean they have not been independent nations for very long. Many didn't get independence until the 60s and 70s, and then many had dictators that quickly took control after independence (some of whom were backed by superpowers duking it out over spheres of influence in Africa during the Cold War).

So a country like the Democratic Republic of Congo only threw off its Cold War era dictator a little over 20 years ago. People are expecting top results way too quickly.
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I use to work with a guy who was stationed with the army in one of those African countries. He said he personally witnessed planes come in to deliver relief supplies, food, money, the works. After they leave the ruling warlords/dictators would load it up and that's the last it'd be seen
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Sativa_Rose posted...

BJ is right that corruption is a huge problem.

Another thing I want to point out is just how young so many African nations are. By young I mean they have not been independent nations for very long. Many didn't get independence until the 60s and 70s, and then many had dictators that quickly took control after independence (some of whom were backed by superpowers duking it out over spheres of influence in Africa during the Cold War).

So a country like the Democratic Republic of Congo only threw off its Cold War era dictator a little over 20 years ago. People are expecting top results way too quickly.

This is very, very true, and it signals also why younger countries may never reach developed status.

Say you're england or france or even the 13 colonies.You have struggles and all that, but the world is not globalized. You're left to thrive or fail. Weak states fail, strong states thrive.

Nowadays we're very globalized, everyone is a phone call away, and you have airplanes and the internet. Established states mess with developing and new countries to their advantage. Dictators are supported, some good governments are taken down (e.g. the Chiquita Juice stuff that happened in central america) , and industries such as the diamond industry or extraction industries keep those countries corrupt and weak so they can be taken advantage of.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

BJ is right that corruption is a huge problem.

Another thing I want to point out is just how young so many African nations are. By young I mean they have not been independent nations for very long. Many didn't get independence until the 60s and 70s, and then many had dictators that quickly took control after independence (some of whom were backed by superpowers duking it out over spheres of influence in Africa during the Cold War).

So a country like the Democratic Republic of Congo only threw off its Cold War era dictator a little over 20 years ago. People are expecting top results way too quickly.

The DRC story is quite amusing. Little bitty Rwanda overthrew the dictator. A tiny country steamrolled that giant country of DRC.
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ChainedRedone posted...

The DRC story is quite amusing. Little bitty Rwanda overthrew the dictator. A tiny country steamrolled that giant country of DRC.

It wasn't just Rwanda, and there was already a rebel movement inside of the DRC that was ready to ally with them and jump on the opportunity. Ever hear of Laurent Kabila?
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They have you ignorant fuck.
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Bad governments.
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billcom6 posted...

They have you ignorant fuck.

He's not wrong actually. They have been making progress overall but per-capita GDPs and HDIs are still quite low.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

The DRC story is quite amusing. Little bitty Rwanda overthrew the dictator. A tiny country steamrolled that giant country of DRC.

It wasn't just Rwanda, and there was already a rebel movement inside of the DRC that was ready to ally with them and jump on the opportunity. Ever hear of Laurent Kabila?

True it wasn't rwanda alone. They had rebels and a couple of other countries on their side, but they spearheaded the war. Without them it wouldn't have happened. At least not for a long time.
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ChainedRedone posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

The DRC story is quite amusing. Little bitty Rwanda overthrew the dictator. A tiny country steamrolled that giant country of DRC.

It wasn't just Rwanda, and there was already a rebel movement inside of the DRC that was ready to ally with them and jump on the opportunity. Ever hear of Laurent Kabila?

True it wasn't rwanda alone. They had rebels and a couple of other countries on their side, but they spearheaded the war. Without them it wouldn't have happened. At least not for a long time.

Mobutu actually died of cancer like a year later or so, so I don't know about that, but yes it's absolutely true they played a huge role.
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One there are many places in Africa are like anyplace else.

https://africa-facts.org/10-highly-populated-african-cities/

Next they could be better, but the west as literally taken out elected officials in put in warlords, and other warlord had to come in over take them. And they stayed in power.
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cjsdowg posted...

One there are many places in Africa are like anyplace else.

https://africa-facts.org/10-highly-populated-african-cities/

Next they could be better, but the west as literally taken out elected officials in put in warlords, and other warlord had to come in over take them. And they stayed in power.

You say like anyplace else, but the vast majority of people in Kinshasa, 2nd on that list, don't have electricity. Some do, most don't. It's absolutely true there are lots of Westerners who seem to still think that all Africans live in mud huts or something absurd like that, which is totally false, but at the same time there's still a long way to go in these cities before they are on par with cities in the developed world.
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