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KhanJohnny 07/25/18 12:34:50 PM #1:	A federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday that the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment guarantees a right to openly carry a gun in public for self-defense, finding that Hawaii overstepped its authority to regulate firearms possession outside the home. The ruling by a three-judge panel on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, makes the San Francisco-based court the sixth U.S. circuit court to interpret the Second Amendment that way and could set the issue on a path toward the U.S. Supreme Court, which has not taken up a major gun rights case since 2010. The extent of the right to gun ownership is one of the most hotly contested debates in the United States, where there has been a steady stream of mass shootings. In a 2-1 decision on Tuesday, the panel found Hawaii infringed on the rights of plaintiff George Young when it twice denied him a permit the state requires to openly carry a gun in public. "We do not take lightly the problem of gun violence," Judge Diarmuid O'Scannlain wrote in Tuesday's ruling. "But, for better or for worse, the Second Amendment does protect a right to carry a firearm in public for self-defense." State Attorney General Russell Suzuki said the ruling would "undermine Hawaii's strong gun control law and our commitment to protect the public." He added that state and local authorities would consult on what further action to take. The 9th Circuit ruled in 2016 that the Second Amendment did not guarantee a right to carry concealed firearms in public in a case originating in Southern California. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to rule on that decision last year. President Donald Trump, a vocal gun rights supporter, is seeking to fill a vacant Supreme Court seat and make the court more conservative, raising the prospect that it may take up more cases in coming years. Alan Beck, a lawyer for the plaintiff in Tuesday's ruling, said he believed the question about openly carrying firearms would eventually end up before the Supreme Court. "I think the Supreme Court is receptive to this," Beck said in a phone interview. Judge Richard Clifton dissented from Tuesday's ruling, saying the Second Amendment did not preclude the sort of licensing rules used in Hawaii and elsewhere. Laws on openly carrying firearms vary widely by state and type of gun. The most restrictive are California, Florida, Illinois and the District of Columbia, which generally prohibit people from openly carrying any sort of firearm, according to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a nonprofit policy organization that favors greater gun control. Hawaii is one of 15 states that requires a license or permit to openly carry a handgun, according to the center's data. In 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled for the first time that the Second Amendment protected an individual's right to keep guns at home for self-defense. The Second Amendment was adopted in 1789 and reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." The Supreme Court may take up the issue. <cite>KhanJohnny posted [p:905696720] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><quote>A federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday that the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment guarantees a right to openly carry a gun in public for self-defense, finding that Hawaii overstepped its authority to regulate firearms possession outside the home. The ruling by a three-judge panel on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, makes the San Francisco-based court the sixth U.S. circuit court to interpret the Second Amendment that way and could set the issue on a path toward the U.S. Supreme Court, which has not taken up a major gun rights case since 2010. The extent of the right to gun ownership is one of the most hotly contested debates in the United States, where there has been a steady stream of mass shootings. In a 2-1 decision on Tuesday, the panel found Hawaii infringed on the rights of plaintiff George Young when it twice denied him a permit the state requires to openly carry a gun in public. "We do not take lightly the problem of gun violence," Judge Diarmuid O'Scannlain wrote in Tuesday's ruling. "But, for better or for worse, the Second Amendment does protect a right to carry a firearm in public for self-defense." State Attorney General Russell Suzuki said the ruling would "undermine Hawaii's strong gun control law and our commitment to protect the public." He added that state and local authorities would consult on what further action to take. The 9th Circuit ruled in 2016 that the Second Amendment did not guarantee a right to carry concealed firearms in public in a case originating in Southern California. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to rule on that decision last year. President Donald Trump, a vocal gun rights supporter, is seeking to fill a vacant Supreme Court seat and make the court more conservative, raising the prospect that it may take up more cases in coming years. Alan Beck, a lawyer for the plaintiff in Tuesday's ruling, said he believed the question about openly carrying firearms would eventually end up before the Supreme Court. "I think the Supreme Court is receptive to this," Beck said in a phone interview. Judge Richard Clifton dissented from Tuesday's ruling, saying the Second Amendment did not preclude the sort of licensing rules used in Hawaii and elsewhere. Laws on openly carrying firearms vary widely by state and type of gun. The most restrictive are California, Florida, Illinois and the District of Columbia, which generally prohibit people from openly carrying any sort of firearm, according to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a nonprofit policy organization that favors greater gun control. Hawaii is one of 15 states that requires a license or permit to openly carry a handgun, according to the center's data. In 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled for the first time that the Second Amendment protected an individual's right to keep guns at home for self-defense. The Second Amendment was adopted in 1789 and reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."</quote> The Supreme Court may take up the issue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 07/25/18 12:36:49 PM #2:	Hopefully this marks the beginning of the end for terrible gun control laws. --- "There is value in segregation." - qwertyman2002 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:905696829] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote>Hopefully this marks the beginning of the end for terrible gun control laws.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 07/25/18 12:37:53 PM #3:	AlephZero posted... Hopefully this marks the beginning of the end for terrible gun control laws. It does, gun free zones may be on the chopping block next that Kinderguardians thing may be happening as well. --- IGN: Sun FC: 0061-0132-7564 <cite>tremain07 posted [p:905696884] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>Hopefully this marks the beginning of the end for terrible gun control laws.</quote> It does, gun free zones may be on the chopping block next that Kinderguardians thing may be happening as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Minute 07/25/18 12:38:51 PM #4:	The US continues to validate my decision to never spend any extended period of time in that third world dystopia. --- https://imgur.com/dITkcK9 <cite>Minute posted [p:905696939] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote>The US continues to validate my decision to never spend any extended period of time in that third world dystopia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 07/25/18 12:39:52 PM #5:	It's only a constitutional right if you don't have reasonable access to a CC permit. AlephZero posted... Hopefully this marks the beginning of the end for terrible gun control laws. I'm going to guess most laws you're talking about are actually good. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:905696979] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote>It's only a constitutional right if you don't have reasonable access to a CC permit. <cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>Hopefully this marks the beginning of the end for terrible gun control laws.</quote> I'm going to guess most laws you're talking about are actually good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/25/18 12:41:01 PM #6:	OctilIery posted... It's only a constitutional right if you don't have reasonable access to a CC permit. AlephZero posted... Hopefully this marks the beginning of the end for terrible gun control laws. I'm going to guess most laws you're talking about are actually good. California. The assault weapons ban. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:905697036] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>It's only a constitutional right if you don't have reasonable access to a CC permit. <cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>Hopefully this marks the beginning of the end for terrible gun control laws.</quote> I'm going to guess most laws you're talking about are actually good.</quote> California. The assault weapons ban.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KhanJohnny 07/25/18 12:41:13 PM #7:	OctilIery posted... It's only a constitutional right if you don't have reasonable access to a CC permit. I haven't read the decision, but that's not what this article seems to suggest. <cite>KhanJohnny posted [p:905697043] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>It's only a constitutional right if you don't have reasonable access to a CC permit. </quote> I haven't read the decision, but that's not what this article seems to suggest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 07/25/18 12:41:19 PM #8:	OctilIery posted... I'm going to guess most laws you're talking about are actually good. Unlikely, unless you consider banning firearms based on how scary they look to be "good." --- "There is value in segregation." - qwertyman2002 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:905697045] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>I'm going to guess most laws you're talking about are actually good.</quote> Unlikely, unless you consider banning firearms based on how scary they look to be "good."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/25/18 12:41:51 PM #9:	9th did this? Really? That's... unexpected. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905697070] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote>9th did this? Really? That's... unexpected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 07/25/18 12:42:35 PM #10:	OctilIery posted... It's only a constitutional right if you don't have reasonable access to a CC permit. AlephZero posted... Hopefully this marks the beginning of the end for terrible gun control laws. I'm going to guess most laws you're talking about are actually good. The gist of the ruling is that a blanket prohibition on open carry with few exceptions is not within the state's general police powers. I'm inclined to agree to that extent. Questionmarktarius posted... 9th did this? Really? That's... unexpected. Given that the panel consisted of a Reagan and two Bush appointees, not really. I don't generally subscribe to the ravings of the folks claiming the Ninth Circuit is some bastion of ultra-liberalness, though. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:905697106] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>It's only a constitutional right if you don't have reasonable access to a CC permit. <cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>Hopefully this marks the beginning of the end for terrible gun control laws.</quote> I'm going to guess most laws you're talking about are actually good.</quote> The gist of the ruling is that a blanket prohibition on open carry with few exceptions is not within the state's general police powers. I'm inclined to agree to that extent. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>9th did this? Really? That's... unexpected.</quote> Given that the panel consisted of a Reagan and two Bush appointees, not really. I don't generally subscribe to the ravings of the folks claiming the Ninth Circuit is some bastion of ultra-liberalness, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/25/18 12:43:40 PM #11:	OctilIery posted... It's only a constitutional right if you don't have reasonable access to a CC permit. If you're openly carrying, a CC permit is redundant. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905697168] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>It's only a constitutional right if you don't have reasonable access to a CC permit.</quote> If you're openly carrying, a CC permit is redundant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eggcorn 07/25/18 12:44:30 PM #12:	Minute posted... The US continues to validate my decision to never spend any extended period of time in that third world dystopia. oh no --- Warning: This post may contain triggering or distressing content. <cite>eggcorn posted [p:905697203] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>Minute posted...</cite> <quote>The US continues to validate my decision to never spend any extended period of time in that third world dystopia.</quote> oh no</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KhanJohnny 07/25/18 12:46:51 PM #13:	Questionmarktarius posted... 9th did this? Really? That's... unexpected. All three judges are Republicans <cite>KhanJohnny posted [p:905697320] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>9th did this? Really? That's... unexpected.</quote> All three judges are Republicans</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
butthole666 07/25/18 12:47:38 PM #14:	Maybe the Constitution is wrong and should be ammended --- "Kenan & Kel is what made me realize I wasn't racist." ~ NewportBox100s <cite>butthole666 posted [p:905697362] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote>Maybe the Constitution is wrong and should be ammended</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Buzz Killjoy 07/25/18 12:47:45 PM #15:	I sort of understand the textualist argument that the 2nd Amendment protects the right to open carry, but I'll never understand the desire of citizens to actually do it. --- *Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?* <cite>Buzz Killjoy posted [p:905697371] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote>I sort of understand the textualist argument that the 2nd Amendment protects the right to open carry, but I'll never understand the desire of citizens to actually do it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/25/18 12:47:46 PM #16:	KhanJohnny posted... Questionmarktarius posted... 9th did this? Really? That's... unexpected. All three judges are Republicans How the hell did that happen? Dubya relics, or did Trump get to replace the whole bench? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905697372] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>9th did this? Really? That's... unexpected.</quote> All three judges are Republicans</quote> How the hell did that happen? Dubya relics, or did Trump get to replace the whole bench?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 07/25/18 12:48:53 PM #17:	Hopefully people who abuse their right to carry guns in public are punished appropriately and not let off easy like Jeffrey Zeigler was. --- https://imgur.com/ByKGlJb https://imgur.com/nZdaA8D https://imgur.com/VBLBILg <cite>CableZL posted [p:905697442] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote>Hopefully people who abuse their right to carry guns in public are punished appropriately and not let off easy like Jeffrey Zeigler was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 07/25/18 12:49:24 PM #18:	Questionmarktarius posted... KhanJohnny posted... Questionmarktarius posted... 9th did this? Really? That's... unexpected. All three judges are Republicans How the hell did that happen? Dubya relics, or did Trump get to replace the whole bench? See post 10, outside of my snark. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:905697482] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>9th did this? Really? That's... unexpected.</quote> All three judges are Republicans</quote> How the hell did that happen? Dubya relics, or did Trump get to replace the whole bench?</quote> See post 10, outside of my snark.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/25/18 12:49:57 PM #19:	ThePieReborn posted... Questionmarktarius posted... KhanJohnny posted... Questionmarktarius posted... 9th did this? Really? That's... unexpected. All three judges are Republicans How the hell did that happen? Dubya relics, or did Trump get to replace the whole bench? See post 10, outside of my snark. Ah, thanks. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905697517] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePieReborn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>9th did this? Really? That's... unexpected.</quote> All three judges are Republicans</quote> How the hell did that happen? Dubya relics, or did Trump get to replace the whole bench?</quote> See post 10, outside of my snark.</quote> Ah, thanks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
halomonkey1_3_5 07/25/18 12:50:37 PM #20:	butthole666 posted... Maybe the Constitution is wrong and should be ammended good luck with that --- Billy Mays: July 20, 1958 - June 28, 2009 The Greatest <cite>halomonkey1_3_5 posted [p:905697548] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>butthole666 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe the Constitution is wrong and should be ammended</quote> good luck with that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 07/25/18 12:52:52 PM #22:	halomonkey1_3_5 posted... butthole666 posted... Maybe the Constitution is wrong and should be ammended good luck with that Incidentally, ERA needs just one more state. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/06/01/46-years-after-texas-passed-era-needs-just-one-state-say-yes <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905697657] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>halomonkey1_3_5 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>butthole666 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe the Constitution is wrong and should be ammended</quote> good luck with that</quote> Incidentally, ERA needs just one more state. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/06/01/46-years-after-texas-passed-era-needs-just-one-state-say-yes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Awesome 07/25/18 12:54:16 PM #23:	good, that would mean i wouldnt have to worry about getting killed while in nyc. --- https://imgur.com/gWCYPlD https://imgur.com/J9kjYjA https://imgur.com/Ls3OgWR <cite>Awesome posted [p:905697725] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote>good, that would mean i wouldnt have to worry about getting killed while in nyc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropicalwood 07/25/18 12:55:24 PM #24:	Saw this the other day, hopefully it goes to the supreme court and gets killed nation wide now that Kennedy is leaving. Love how O'Scannlain responded to the naysayer by saying that gun control was intended to keep those former slaves subjugated, in response to slavery being an excuse as to why the second amendment is invalid. --- ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya <cite>Tropicalwood posted [p:905697793] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote>Saw this the other day, hopefully it goes to the supreme court and gets killed nation wide now that Kennedy is leaving. Love how O'Scannlain responded to the naysayer by saying that gun control was intended to keep those former slaves subjugated, in response to slavery being an excuse as to why the second amendment is invalid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
butthole666 07/25/18 12:56:47 PM #25:	Awesome posted... good, that would mean i wouldnt have to worry about getting killed while in nyc. Imagine being this afraid of brown people --- "Kenan & Kel is what made me realize I wasn't racist." ~ NewportBox100s <cite>butthole666 posted [p:905697872] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>Awesome posted...</cite> <quote>good, that would mean i wouldnt have to worry about getting killed while in nyc.</quote> Imagine being this afraid of brown people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/25/18 12:57:07 PM #26:	Tropicalwood posted... Saw this the other day, hopefully it goes to the supreme court and gets killed nation wide now that Kennedy is leaving. That'll certainly be an interesting day when a heavily-conservative SCOTUS hoses gun rights. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905697891] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote>Saw this the other day, hopefully it goes to the supreme court and gets killed nation wide now that Kennedy is leaving. </quote> That'll certainly be an interesting day when a heavily-conservative SCOTUS hoses gun rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
butthole666 07/25/18 12:58:07 PM #27:	Buzz Killjoy posted... I sort of understand the textualist argument that the 2nd Amendment protects the right to open carry, but I'll never understand the desire of citizens to actually do it. Psychopathy + lib triggering --- "Kenan & Kel is what made me realize I wasn't racist." ~ NewportBox100s <cite>butthole666 posted [p:905697930] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>Buzz Killjoy posted...</cite> <quote>I sort of understand the textualist argument that the 2nd Amendment protects the right to open carry, but I'll never understand the desire of citizens to actually do it. </quote> Psychopathy + lib triggering</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 07/25/18 1:02:05 PM #28:	Questionmarktarius posted... halomonkey1_3_5 posted... butthole666 posted... Maybe the Constitution is wrong and should be ammended good luck with that Incidentally, ERA needs just one more state. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/06/01/46-years-after-texas-passed-era-needs-just-one-state-say-yes Too bad the deadline passed decades ago. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:905698093] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>halomonkey1_3_5 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>butthole666 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe the Constitution is wrong and should be ammended</quote> good luck with that</quote> Incidentally, ERA needs just one more state. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/06/01/46-years-after-texas-passed-era-needs-just-one-state-say-yes</quote> Too bad the deadline passed decades ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 07/25/18 1:04:14 PM #29:	Questionmarktarius posted... Tropicalwood posted... Saw this the other day, hopefully it goes to the supreme court and gets killed nation wide now that Kennedy is leaving. That'll certainly be an interesting day when a heavily-conservative SCOTUS hoses gun rights. I think he meant that this ruling would be applied as doctrine. Why Kennedy was name-dropped, though, I haven't the foggiest given which sides he pulled for in Heller and McDonald. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:905698198] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote>Saw this the other day, hopefully it goes to the supreme court and gets killed nation wide now that Kennedy is leaving. </quote> That'll certainly be an interesting day when a heavily-conservative SCOTUS hoses gun rights.</quote> I think he meant that this ruling would be applied as doctrine. Why Kennedy was name-dropped, though, I haven't the foggiest given which sides he pulled for in Heller and McDonald.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropicalwood 07/25/18 1:04:40 PM #30:	Questionmarktarius posted... Tropicalwood posted... Saw this the other day, hopefully it goes to the supreme court and gets killed nation wide now that Kennedy is leaving. That'll certainly be an interesting day when a heavily-conservative SCOTUS hoses gun rights. I mean they should kill the laws across the nation since the 9th circuit rulings only apply to the 9th circuit and not the entire country. ThePieReborn posted... Why Kennedy was name-dropped, though, I haven't the foggiest given which sides he pulled for in Heller and McDonald. He's wishy washy on the matter of guns, in fact I'm pretty sure he was in favor of "high capacity" magazine bans. --- ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya <cite>Tropicalwood posted [p:905698219] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote>Saw this the other day, hopefully it goes to the supreme court and gets killed nation wide now that Kennedy is leaving. </quote> That'll certainly be an interesting day when a heavily-conservative SCOTUS hoses gun rights.</quote> I mean they should kill the laws across the nation since the 9th circuit rulings only apply to the 9th circuit and not the entire country. <cite>ThePieReborn posted...</cite> <quote>Why Kennedy was name-dropped, though, I haven't the foggiest given which sides he pulled for in Heller and McDonald.</quote> He's wishy washy on the matter of guns, in fact I'm pretty sure he was in favor of "high capacity" magazine bans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 07/25/18 1:07:12 PM #31:	butthole666 posted... Buzz Killjoy posted... I sort of understand the textualist argument that the 2nd Amendment protects the right to open carry, but I'll never understand the desire of citizens to actually do it. Psychopathy + lib triggering --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:905698377] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>butthole666 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Buzz Killjoy posted...</cite> <quote>I sort of understand the textualist argument that the 2nd Amendment protects the right to open carry, but I'll never understand the desire of citizens to actually do it. </quote> Psychopathy + lib triggering</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/25/18 1:07:40 PM #32:	darkjedilink posted... Too bad the deadline passed decades ago. So, rather than argue over whether or not a proposed amendment can be rescinded, propose it again. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905698396] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Too bad the deadline passed decades ago.</quote> So, rather than argue over whether or not a proposed amendment can be rescinded, propose it again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 07/25/18 1:11:35 PM #33:	Tropicalwood posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Tropicalwood posted... Saw this the other day, hopefully it goes to the supreme court and gets killed nation wide now that Kennedy is leaving. That'll certainly be an interesting day when a heavily-conservative SCOTUS hoses gun rights. I mean they should kill the laws across the nation since the 9th circuit rulings only apply to the 9th circuit and not the entire country. ThePieReborn posted... Why Kennedy was name-dropped, though, I haven't the foggiest given which sides he pulled for in Heller and McDonald. He's wishy washy on the matter of guns, in fact I'm pretty sure he was in favor of "high capacity" magazine bans. That's immaterial to the question of prohibition of possession and open carry, however. Open carry is a logical and immediate extension of possession. Kennedy would agree with the panel's decision here without issue. You're not likely to find a judge who will affirm the notion that the Second Amendment entirely precludes the states' ability to regulate firearms, nor do I know of any federal opinion stating as much. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:905698626] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote>Saw this the other day, hopefully it goes to the supreme court and gets killed nation wide now that Kennedy is leaving. </quote> That'll certainly be an interesting day when a heavily-conservative SCOTUS hoses gun rights.</quote> I mean they should kill the laws across the nation since the 9th circuit rulings only apply to the 9th circuit and not the entire country. <cite>ThePieReborn posted...</cite> <quote>Why Kennedy was name-dropped, though, I haven't the foggiest given which sides he pulled for in Heller and McDonald.</quote> He's wishy washy on the matter of guns, in fact I'm pretty sure he was in favor of "high capacity" magazine bans.</quote> That's immaterial to the question of prohibition of possession and open carry, however. Open carry is a logical and immediate extension of possession. Kennedy would agree with the panel's decision here without issue. You're not likely to find a judge who will affirm the notion that the Second Amendment entirely precludes the states' ability to regulate firearms, nor do I know of any federal opinion stating as much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 07/25/18 1:13:28 PM #34:	butthole666 posted... Maybe the Constitution is wrong and should be ammended Go for it. Wait until closer to the election to push that shit. I dare you. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:905698732] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>butthole666 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe the Constitution is wrong and should be ammended</quote> Go for it. Wait until closer to the election to push that shit. I dare you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
butthole666 07/25/18 1:14:39 PM #35:	Nomadic View posted... butthole666 posted... Maybe the Constitution is wrong and should be ammended Go for it. Wait until closer to the election to push that shit. I dare you. I mean children keep dying --- "Kenan & Kel is what made me realize I wasn't racist." ~ NewportBox100s <cite>butthole666 posted [p:905698783] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote><cite>butthole666 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe the Constitution is wrong and should be ammended</quote> Go for it. Wait until closer to the election to push that shit. I dare you.</quote> I mean children keep dying</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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butthole666 07/25/18 1:17:04 PM #37:	Abyssea posted... butthole666 posted... Buzz Killjoy posted... I sort of understand the textualist argument that the 2nd Amendment protects the right to open carry, but I'll never understand the desire of citizens to actually do it. Psychopathy + lib triggering Its really incredible how hicks feel safer around an unhinged white guy with a gun whos WAITING for an excuse than a bunch of unarmed people going about their day who happen to not be white (see: @Awesome) --- "Kenan & Kel is what made me realize I wasn't racist." ~ NewportBox100s <cite>butthole666 posted [p:905698894] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote><cite>butthole666 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Buzz Killjoy posted...</cite> <quote>I sort of understand the textualist argument that the 2nd Amendment protects the right to open carry, but I'll never understand the desire of citizens to actually do it. </quote> Psychopathy + lib triggering</quote> </quote> Its really incredible how hicks feel safer around an unhinged white guy with a gun whos WAITING for an excuse than a bunch of unarmed people going about their day who happen to not be white (see: @Awesome)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
butthole666 07/25/18 1:17:45 PM #38:	GregShmedley posted... butthole666 posted... Nomadic View posted... butthole666 posted... Maybe the Constitution is wrong and should be ammended Go for it. Wait until closer to the election to push that shit. I dare you. I mean children keep dying What does this have to do with open carry? People have guns They should not have guns --- "Kenan & Kel is what made me realize I wasn't racist." ~ NewportBox100s <cite>butthole666 posted [p:905698931] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote><cite>butthole666 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote><cite>butthole666 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe the Constitution is wrong and should be ammended</quote> Go for it. Wait until closer to the election to push that shit. I dare you.</quote> I mean children keep dying</quote> What does this have to do with open carry?</quote> People have guns They should not have guns</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/25/18 1:19:07 PM #39:	It shouldn't be. KhanJohnny posted... Hawaii is one of 15 states that requires a license or permit to openly carry a handgun, according to the center's data. Only 15? Fucking what? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:905699002] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote>It shouldn't be. <cite>KhanJohnny posted...</cite> <quote>Hawaii is one of 15 states that requires a license or permit to openly carry a handgun, according to the center's data.</quote> Only 15? Fucking what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlephZero 07/25/18 1:22:43 PM #41:	only cops should have guns --- "There is value in segregation." - qwertyman2002 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:905699195] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote>only cops should have guns</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/25/18 1:24:02 PM #42:	AlephZero posted... only cops should have guns https://pics.me.me/you-dont-need-a-cops-are-evil-because-you-gun-8641328.png Please pick a narrative and stick with it. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905699283] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>only cops should have guns</quote> https://pics.me.me/you-dont-need-a-cops-are-evil-because-you-gun-8641328.png Please pick a narrative and stick with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
smoliske 07/25/18 1:25:00 PM #43:	I just realized I had butthole666 on ignore. I was wondering why the anchors weren't working <cite>smoliske posted [p:905699330] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote>I just realized I had butthole666 on ignore. I was wondering why the anchors weren't working</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 07/25/18 1:32:26 PM #44:	CableZL posted... Hopefully people who abuse their right to carry guns in public are punished appropriately and not let off easy like Jeffrey Zeigler was. He was let off ? --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:905699754] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote>Hopefully people who abuse their right to carry guns in public are punished appropriately and not let off easy like Jeffrey Zeigler was.</quote> He was let off ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 07/25/18 1:33:21 PM #45:	Questionmarktarius posted... AlephZero posted... only cops should have guns https://pics.me.me/you-dont-need-a-cops-are-evil-because-you-gun-8641328.png Please pick a narrative and stick with it. When did Sanders or anyone say ALL cops are evil racist . --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:905699813] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>only cops should have guns</quote> https://pics.me.me/you-dont-need-a-cops-are-evil-because-you-gun-8641328.png Please pick a narrative and stick with it.</quote> When did Sanders or anyone say ALL cops are evil racist .</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 07/25/18 4:27:19 PM #46:	cjsdowg posted... CableZL posted... Hopefully people who abuse their right to carry guns in public are punished appropriately and not let off easy like Jeffrey Zeigler was. He was let off ? He had a prior gun conviction in 2004, but they reduced the charge to a misdemeanor. --- https://imgur.com/ByKGlJb https://imgur.com/nZdaA8D https://imgur.com/VBLBILg <cite>CableZL posted [p:905709753] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote>Hopefully people who abuse their right to carry guns in public are punished appropriately and not let off easy like Jeffrey Zeigler was.</quote> He was let off ?</quote> He had a prior gun conviction in 2004, but they reduced the charge to a misdemeanor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkTransient 07/25/18 4:31:11 PM #47:	For fuck's sake, America. You should all know by now that the Second Amendment means you will never enact a successful gun ban. Stop trying to ignore it, and start going after things it doesn't cover. Time to implement... bullet control. --- http://www.facebook.com/loaocos/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAfJB3KYYDg <cite>DarkTransient posted [p:905709943] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote>For fuck's sake, America. You should all know by now that the Second Amendment means you will never enact a successful gun ban. Stop trying to ignore it, and start going after things it doesn't cover. Time to implement... bullet control.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
glitteringfairy 07/25/18 4:31:36 PM #48:	butthole666 posted... Awesome posted... good, that would mean i wouldnt have to worry about getting killed while in nyc. Imagine being this afraid of brown people That's a weird thing to project when he mentioned no race --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot?" V-E-G-Y https://imgur.com/AqR3aeX https://imgur.com/vvuUXpp https://imgur.com/r9xK2NR <cite>glitteringfairy posted [p:905709963] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>butthole666 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Awesome posted...</cite> <quote>good, that would mean i wouldnt have to worry about getting killed while in nyc.</quote> Imagine being this afraid of brown people</quote> That's a weird thing to project when he mentioned no race</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_Spiret 07/25/18 4:57:13 PM #49:	45/50 states already have legal open carry so i dont know why people are making a fuss over this. <cite>Dark_Spiret posted [p:905711377] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote>45/50 states already have legal open carry so i dont know why people are making a fuss over this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I is smart 07/25/18 5:04:29 PM #50:	butthole666 posted... Awesome posted... good, that would mean i wouldnt have to worry about getting killed while in nyc. Imagine being this afraid of brown people I like how he immediately jumps to brown people, and still tries to make like Awesome is the one who is racist. --- Tah-rah-rah-boom-dee-aaay, did you get yours todaaay? I got mine yesterdaaay, that's why I walk this way. i.imgur.com/FoxGIbC.jpg <cite>I is smart posted [p:905711760] in 9th Circui... [t:76840401]...</cite> <quote><cite>butthole666 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Awesome posted...</cite> <quote>good, that would mean i wouldnt have to worry about getting killed while in nyc.</quote> Imagine being this afraid of brown people</quote> I like how he immediately jumps to brown people, and still tries to make like Awesome is the one who is racist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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