Board 8 > Blade Mafia 11 - when the punter makes the next topic you know something is off

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Dels posted...

do you need corrik to trust in ashe?

we can still win even without his vote

also pxl doesn't have shit on me >_> except that she doesn't understand me and she fears what she doesn't understand

___ doesn't have shit on me is how I phrase things post game when I was suspected as scum.

Dels my love we are too similar.
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man except your theory was that my town play would be to give the claim

and so by that theory the scum play, emulating the town play, would also be the claim

unless you're saying you EXPECTED my "town play" to be to hold back and for me as scum to possibly emulate what I think my town play would be , not realizing that my actual town play could somehow be a weird enigma where I somehow do the unexpected

you can maaaaaybe then argue that me giving the claim would've proved me town, but it still doesn't mean that not giving it proves me scum

anyway this is pointless

You do realize it is a bit sad that you are discussing your town play and scum play when you spent an entire day in a random as heck alliance for fun right.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Dels posted...

do you need corrik to trust in ashe?

we can still win even without his vote

also pxl doesn't have shit on me >_> except that she doesn't understand me and she fears what she doesn't understand

___ doesn't have shit on me is how I phrase things post game when I was suspected as scum.

Dels my love we are too similar.

ya ya just lynch death and shad before me and i don't really care either way

I am curious if I can even stop them from lynching you before them though.
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Oh god.

I just realized....

... My fake watch on Leo day 3 was accurate.

They used him for kills because he couldn't be tracked LMAO.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

You do realize it is a bit sad that you are discussing your town play and scum play when you spent an entire day in a random as heck alliance for fun right.

it wasn't random

i formed it for a reason

i like leo and we get along and i felt it was a good way to sort of start him off with a blank slate instead of just trusting your read on him

and felt it could potentially help me read him. not sure how, but working together with someone can help see if it feels "right" or not

i had no way of knowing he'd be scanned by a tracker halfway through the day, i figured we were gonna lynch corrik and if not we'd lynch someone like death or panthera or whatever (don't quote me on those, i don't remember who i had as town or scum at the time so don't come at me with any inconsistencies)

and then once he was scanned, i figured it was obvious he was going to be the lynch and the town didn't need my vote to do it so i stuck to it because, like i said, honor.

i didn't realize half the town would actually consider voting mzero (and yes i debated both sides as well because there were good points for it - and hell, clearly now we know there was a reason for that) but I never thought the town would lynch anyone but leo

you can see my frustrations under the surface when people kept somehow NOT voting leo

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I am curious if I can even stop them from lynching you before them though.

i'm gonna have a talk with pxl tomorrow and see if i can get her to realize that just because i do weird things she doesn't understand, doesn't mean i am scum

corrik's a lost cause but then again sometimes his reads flip on a dime so who knows

also wtf was with you calling it scummy that i pointed out "wow corrik your read on which of me and chris is scum just completely flipped out of nowhere, makes it seem like you don't have conviction"

and tying it to how YOU change your reads and I like it

there's no connection there and it was just shading me for total bullshit

like i was just pointing out that corrik has no credibility

you progressing reads and him all of a sudden being like 'oh ok dels is the town, chris is the scum' are totally different things

you also tried to call me out for voting mzero, my townread, near the end of the day

when i was obviously only doing that because i was upholding the alliance for fun

DAY 3

Dels' reaction to Chris claiming to have watched Leo

"yeesh

you guys are just gonna catch all the scum through really clear role stuff and i'm gonna spend the whole game being irrelevant huh?"

Heh.

Also you then said you didn't believe me but this post rings true to me my darling friend.

Mzero: "Imo we shouldn't discuss Chris' action until Leo shows up"

Man pxl and corrik used logic to own my gambit before death or shad could react :(
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i never said i didn't believe you actually

are you referring to the parenthetical (except he's obviously lying vanilla)?

i was just sort of playfully going along with corrik's theory and/or keeping things open and/or idk

the role stuff all goes over my head and i never know who is faking or not

point is i didn't believe you or not believe you, but i guess i just assumed it was the truth, but then said that paranthetical anyway

don't read too much into it

but also yeah that statement still ended up being the truth

Dels posted...

also wtf was with you calling it scummy that i pointed out "wow corrik your read on which of me and chris is scum just completely flipped out of nowhere, makes it seem like you don't have conviction"

and tying it to how YOU change your reads and I like it

there's no connection there and it was just shading me for total bullshit

like i was just pointing out that corrik has no credibility

you progressing reads and him all of a sudden being like 'oh ok dels is the town, chris is the scum' are totally different things

Man look I sometimes like justifying my PoE with scum reasons even though I don't need to I can just point to my PoE and my beautiful ability to read town and just say "doesn't matter, you aren't cleared and they are" because it feels more awesome to scum catch someone rather than town clear everyone else, ok? =(

ARE YOU HAPPY?
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I wanted to still be asleep
But there's too many goddamn alarms in this entire neighborhood.

So good morning I guess.
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htaeD posted...

I wanted to still be asleep
But there's too many goddamn alarms in this entire neighborhood.

So good morning I guess.

Hey Death, we're on the winning path. Bad news, I have my PoE after mzero dies to 3 players for 2 scum and you are one of them.

Please break my PoE assumptions if you can.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Dels posted...

also wtf was with you calling it scummy that i pointed out "wow corrik your read on which of me and chris is scum just completely flipped out of nowhere, makes it seem like you don't have conviction"

and tying it to how YOU change your reads and I like it

there's no connection there and it was just shading me for total bullshit

like i was just pointing out that corrik has no credibility

you progressing reads and him all of a sudden being like 'oh ok dels is the town, chris is the scum' are totally different things

Man look I sometimes like justifying my PoE with scum reasons even though I don't need to I can just point to my PoE and my beautiful ability to read town and just say "doesn't matter, you aren't cleared and they are" because it feels more awesome to scum catch someone rather than town clear everyone else, ok? =(

ARE YOU HAPPY?

yup because this is the closest thing to you admitting "yeah that was a bad post" which is all i needed

Yeah that was a bad post.
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nightmare scenario, we lynch mzero (scum) and then death (scum) and then shad (town)

and we arrive at a final 3 where it's me and chris (still alive) and, like... god, who else would be live, corrik would be dead, pxl... would be dead... as a claimed role...? and then its just, uh, ashe, and... panthera...?

a final 3 with me/chris/ashe or me/chris/panthera

the true nightmare is a final 3 of me/chris/pxl because then he'd murder me right in front of my eyes as i watch it happen for 48 hours and am powerless to stop it

trying to one-up me by showing that there was a way for you to get closer to it, huh

Got days to convince me my PoE is wrong.
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sorry, those 3 nightmare examples were meant with the assumption that YOU are the scum and you convince them to lynch me

i realize the post doesn't say that so its not clear at all

anyway this is pointless and i'm really tired so

DoomTheGyarados posted...

htaeD posted...

I wanted to still be asleep
But there's too many goddamn alarms in this entire neighborhood.

So good morning I guess.

Hey Death, we're on the winning path. Bad news, I have my PoE after mzero dies to 3 players for 2 scum and you are one of them.

Please break my PoE assumptions if you can.

I'll try my best then!
(No wait, only losers do their best)

bleh anyway
I skimmed a little.
Corrik is power again?
Okay. I buy that. Him claiming nilla didnt make total sense anyway and he did rail against Mzero, another claimed scanner, pretty hard.

Mzero changing his claim on the other hand? I dont buy that. That feels like an Ulti-move.
I mean clearly he was already lying because look at what Leo flipped. And Leo's anger reads like he was more mad that he got caught with a lie, than that he was caught by a townscanner now. (Like a child one could say)

The why still escapes me though.
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though i have to admit

i like that since I DIDN'T make that clear

you defaulted to the position where you are town i.e. if we got to me/chris/ashe or me/chris/panth, that i'd have to convince you your PoE is wrong

whereas i meant it as if you are scum and you'd just kill me. and if you ARE scum you would've been more likely to see my meaning there, since as scum you know you'd vote me there and stick to your PoE

so if you're town I'm gonna say that you subconsiously read those final 3 scenarios in a very revealing way! interesting psychological test that i did on accident.

i seriously was trying to make things hard for a scum death yesterday though

by saying that death wouldn't snapvote me for the not-claiming stuff

death is just not the type of player to ever come in and be like "ok yeah chris, you're right, dels is scum for this"

and I wanted to rule out the chance of him, as scum, doing that, by reminding him and everyone else that he is NOT that kind of player

and I do firmly believe that, as town, death would not suspect me for all the weird shit I'm doing

so I wanted to put him in a position where if he is scum and he needs to suspect me, he REALLY needs to work for it

and I am still doing so today by pointing this out

if death is scum, he knows I am in the PoE, and the best move for him is to find reasons to suspect me

so let's see what he does.

like he probably does still need to suspect me here if he is scum. but now he's way on his toes about it because we all know it's the standard move.

or maybe he somehow doesn't suspect me, idk, either way, the plan is to psyche him out and i think it should work.

Death I need you to clarify

If you believe corrik and not Mzero

Then why say Leo's anger looks like anger from being caught in a lie

Don't you believe now that the anger was fake anyway? Or rather that there isn't really any anger since he wanted it to happen?

Thank God I can't stop refreshing mafia games even when I go to bed

My phone's light helped me notice a goddamn spider right next to my bed

The spider represents death

I crushed it

Delse
PoE is making it pretty probably that you are scum regardless. No amount of confidence is able to disguise that fact.
But the same goes for Shad, and I dont see the proven towniness of Panthera or Ashethan either. I wish I could follow others PoE, but I cant.

If last night was scum vs scum, most likely, the votes dont say much to me.
The theory that scum would have wanted to kill Mzero and not Leo makes sense though. Considering how questionable Mzero'd look once Leo flipped.
Corrik looks better now that I know Mzero is almost certainly scum.
Pxel is town still, Dowolf looked good too. (RIP)

Being that I already looked at Mzero and Leo mostly yesterday. I can say Mzero really didnt say or do much or connect with other players much. Gonna have to reread all of their posts again, since I forgot most of it too.
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Dels posted...

Death I need you to clarify

If you believe corrik and not Mzero

Then why say Leo's anger looks like anger from being caught in a lie

Don't you believe now that the anger was fake anyway? Or rather that there isn't really any anger since he wanted it to happen?

Me thinking Leo's anger was real, was mostly a thought I had before Mzero changed his claim.
But honestly I wouldnt be surprised if Leo didnt agree with this plan anyway and was showing it in-game.
None of us had a direct desire to even lynch Leo until Mzero came in, and then it backfired on him instead of Mzero.
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Dels posted...

Thank God I can't stop refreshing mafia games even when I go to bed

My phone's light helped me notice a goddamn spider right next to my bed

The spider represents death

I crushed it

Rude
didnt you want a donut?

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Panthera isn't proven

Ashe kinda is, Chris can help you, he unearthed some posts that scum eaed would never ever think to make . I assume you saw them in previous catch ups but may have forgotten

To clarify.
When I saw Leo flip, I went 'of course, he wouldnt claim psychic if he wasnt one'
For a moment I considered that Mzero could be town, but he was just a nilla who outed frustrated scum with a boldfaced lie.
Even that theory I didnt see as plausible though,
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Dels posted...

Panthera isn't proven

Ashe kinda is, Chris can help you, he unearthed some posts that scum eaed would never ever think to make . I assume you saw them in previous catch ups but may have forgotten

I am sure I will find those myself in time

The good news is that I have at least 4 normal days to ISO everyone. (and I will be honest, I dont plan to spend my weekend just reading!)
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It's still kinda hard for me to believe that scum really thought town wouldn't follow a scan (on someone who was already in the PoE)

I know the theory that Mzero was supposed to be lynched makes some sense but still, man, they really bungled it if that's the case. Or underestimated how much a town will always follow a scanner.

Grrr fuck gamefaqs mobile ignore any words after this.

I k

Hey I dont know why Mzero didnt just do 1 for 1, if he was gonna die anyway.

(watch as it turns out that even scum forgot Leo was part of their team, due to his absence)
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Dels posted...

I know the theory that Mzero was supposed to be lynched makes some sense but still, man, they really bungled it if that's the case. Or underestimated how much a town will always follow a scanner.

I agree that it's weird! What I can't think of is what else went on there. Like how does a town MZero end up claiming a track instead of a watch as a "gambit" and then go back on it today only to not claim his other actions or even his role name? If MZero is scum, and that looks to be the case, it's hard to think of what else he could have been doing...although the *why* of his actions can be largely ignored beyond post-game amusement unless you think it has bearing on figuring out the rest of the team.
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I think me death and corrik all pointed out how a 1for1 could be okay there

But so did leo

Leo definitely did a good job explaining to us exactly why Mzero could be scum and all the holes in his claim and why it was the perfect time for a 1for1

...damn

Panthera you were always gonna vote Leo right?

Pretty much. I wasn't 100% certain but I was always leaning more towards voting Leo than not. I think I reiterated that a few times during the day.
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Right

And so was dowolf

And pretty sure Ashe was always going to yeah?

And I... Fucking hell I had no idea this alliance thing would be so relevant, but I swear to you I thought leo was obviously scum and Mzero was town and that town was gonna lynch Leo without my vote

But IF they wanted mzero lynched first, then that means the scum would've been trying to lean towards that direction?

Chris said earlier that death was actually maybe going to vote Mzero until Christmas convinced him to go leo...? I am too tired now but let's just go back and check tomorrow how much death was considering it.

(I know that I also considered the 1-for-1 theory but I seriously was just trying to consider all angles in case, I never wanted mzero lynched and I hope my posts show that. I even got really self-conscious once when Leo asked me if I was just entertaining it to humour him, and I felt bad because I kind of was)

Wtf autocorrect

Dels posted...

And I... Fucking hell I had no idea this alliance thing would be so relevant, but I swear to you I thought leo was obviously scum and Mzero was town and that town was gonna lynch Leo without my vote

Yes, I'm sure you were totally sure the guy you were defending was scum and MZero was town. That's why you voted for MZero to make it 4-3 with what you thought was seven minutes left in the day. Very very clearly not worried Leo wouldn't be lynched. So not worried you didn't hesitate to make it possible for him to not be lynched when it didn't look possible before.
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Like really, votals were being updated by several people constantly, you thought deadline was at 11 EST instead of 11:13, so with what you thought were seven minutes left in the day you just plop a vote on MZero to change it from 4-2 to 4-3 and this is supposed to make me think you were 100% sure Leo would be lynched and 100% certain it was right
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Don't be daft

It was clear that the people who weren't voting yet would vote leo

And that's why like I said I watched the votals like a hawk and made sure I'd know the instant anyone else voted Mzero if they did and what the total would be

You can see from literally all my posts throughout the day that I thought Mzero was town and leo scum

No I was 100% certain when Mzero claimed that Leo would be lynched

99% certain when pxl and corrik actually voted Mzero but I still figured the rest of town would do the right thing

95% certain when near end of day it was somehow still being debated, but still I figured the obvious choice would win out especially with Chris going for it (though he voted me for a while wtf Chris)

And then when the day was almost ending and the votals were still somehow close it was not 100% anymore but I tried to remain rational and remind myself that yes, the people not voting were gonna vote for leo, of course they were.

But because I was nervous I kept monitoring the votals and they never changed, Leo always stayed in the lead, and I was refreshing constantly making sure of that

Why would you ever even think my vote on Mzero was with any hope to lynch him. I spent the entire day calling Mzero town.

Also I never once defended leo. find me a time when I did,I dare you.

Come on

Like we can cut the exaggerations if you want, idk if I thought 100% town would lynch leo there, by that point I was baffled there had honestly been so many people even considering voting Mzero, so it wasn't 100% but that's why I was making sure Mzero never reached that 4th vote

And I wouldn't say I was 100% Leo was the scum, I still kind of hoped maybe he's flip town, but it was like, I dunno, 95%? Or rather, I'm 100% certain that lynching Leo was the correct play so the level of certainly didn't matter

Like look, you can argue the alliance shit was silly but don't even try and paint it like I genuinely was trying to make Mzero the lynch

I had no clue the alliance stuff would become this relevant, I thought Mzero was town and would be nightkilled and that'd be that. Never considered that maybe scum actually wanted mzero lynched and that I could look like that scum.

Chris said earlier that death was actually maybe going to vote Mzero until Christmas convinced him to go leo...? I am too tired now but let's just go back and check tomorrow how much death was considering it.

That was Corrik, and I dont know what he's on about
I had already voted Leo and was about to go to sleep. But Chris was talking like he had a realization, so curious me waited to see what it was.
Then it turned out Chris was saying he thought Mzero was town. Which I thought was already his opinion anyway.

At the very least, it was Chris' reasoning in the end that made me think it made more sense for Leo to be scum than Mzero. Even if both claims were weir as a result.
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