Board 8 > Blade Mafia 11 - when the punter makes the next topic you know something is off

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Panthera posted...

If he's scum my best guess is that for some reason, his intention was actually to come across as lacking credibility so we'd lynch him and make Leo look good, and Leo being lynched totally fucked it up.

Hmmm

It's sooort of a plausible theory

But to me, as soon as the scan was claimed, it was very obvious that the day would end in a Leo lynch, and I think 99% of people would agree.

Mzero definitely had some issues with the claim, we discussed them, like the timestamp thing which, well, Leo brought that up.

But I dunno. He had to have messed up really badly if his intention was to get lynched, because fmpov that was never going to happen.

Chris I think scum intended to lynch Mzero yesterday but you backed them into a corner to Lynch Leo tbqh
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Corrik posted...

Chris I think scum intended to lynch Mzero yesterday but you backed them into a corner to Lynch Leo tbqh

Yup, I like this theory. Sacrifice the poor Mzero scum player for the full of pride Leo. Once Mzero diees Leo looks great to most people and it is much harder to get him lynched.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Because I know there is no way they used Mzero for the night kill when he claimed odd night tracker.

Hm?

If the town had mass-claimed, which they did, and no one else had a tracker/watcher role (right?)

then what's the danger in having Mzero send the kill?

The other scum could be claimed vanillas who also wouldn't want to be seen getting up even if that is the case, right?

I also want to reintroduce the idea that scum has or can manipulate role reveals somehow. Potentially in ways we haven't seen before
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Corrik posted...

Chris I think scum intended to lynch Mzero yesterday but you backed them into a corner to Lynch Leo tbqh

what

how did chris back anyone into a corner

pxl and you voted mzero

and chris was just like

"um, guys, leo is clearly scum here" (because duh)

he didn't exactly fight for it that hard until much later

like i know we can give chris credit for a lot but this theory that mzero wanted to be lynched and chris derailed it is not complete to me atm

Disregard previous thoughts, scum is just being all sorts of special apparently.

I am almost hoping for their sake they have like a 12 page topic on the scum board where scum corrik is master planning all of this to get himself confirmed and save scum because otherwise this is some horrible shit for scum.

BUT

Either way Mzero is scum.

Just like either way Leo was scum.

Too easy.
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pxlated posted...

I also want to reintroduce the idea that scum has or can manipulate role reveals somehow. Potentially in ways we haven't seen before

They cannot

pxlated posted...

I also want to reintroduce the idea that scum has or can manipulate role reveals somehow. Potentially in ways we haven't seen before

Blade would, and allow me to say this with certainty, 100% never do that.
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I just wonder why i gave an entirely useless ability then

At the very least i expected some sort of scum answer to the dancer or unexpected role, with one of the powers being a janitor
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I forget what my original PoE was but I know it had Mzero and Leo both it in so I am pretty #hyped.

Anyway Mzero, for anyone doubting this, had 0 incentive to lie as town yesterday of tracker vs watcher and he didn't even give us a night 2 scan.

So um... yeah confirmed scum, now let's think about the remaining 2 scum.
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So MZero comes in, reveals he was playing a big gambit and leaves while not claiming any of his other actions and incidentally happened to have found damning evidence watching a claimed vanilla even though you'd think he'd watch Pxl since even if she wasn't killed, scum might have had something else to use on her that he could catch anyway. "Interesting".

Going back to Leo's role though...what is the point of a paranoid blocker godfather? Like why do you have a godfather, a role whose purpose is to be scanned, that is immune to scans? Does it just conveniently allow cop scans and only cop scans through? Because that sounds weird to me but eh.
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MZero11 posted...

So yeah, last night I watched dowolf. Strong player with almost no mislynch potential at this point. Guess who else visited him?

Nice try scum. Back to work now see you in a few hours

@MZero11 Did you have any tracks left? Or only watches?

why did the tag not work @MZero11

Leo would have absolutely won of Mzero got lynched.

Btw death could be scum and unclaimed jinjo. He was all about sheeping ur epiphany until you said Mzero was town then he packed it straight the fuck up and left.
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pxlated posted...

I just wonder why i gave an entirely useless ability then

At the very least i expected some sort of scum answer to the dancer or unexpected role, with one of the powers being a janitor

Well keep in mind you have the power to confirm truths.

For example, you'd know our vig wasn't lying if you visited a corpse.

Or you'd know circumstances of death like poison and that helps clarify night actions and can at times be illuminating.

Your role isn't super strong but for instance if we didn't have poisoner flip early and someone claimed a town reason for that death, you could go 'nope.'

Niche but not useless.
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Panthera posted...

So MZero comes in, reveals he was playing a big gambit and leaves while not claiming any of his other actions and incidentally happened to have found damning evidence watching a claimed vanilla even though you'd think he'd watch Pxl since even if she wasn't killed, scum might have had something else to use on her that he could catch anyway. "Interesting".

Going back to Leo's role though...what is the point of a paranoid blocker godfather? Like why do you have a godfather, a role whose purpose is to be scanned, that is immune to scans? Does it just conveniently allow cop scans and only cop scans through? Because that sounds weird to me but eh.

Didn't Andy have a way to make a strongman? What if it could have strongmanned his scan. That is what I think
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Corrik posted...

Panthera posted...

So MZero comes in, reveals he was playing a big gambit and leaves while not claiming any of his other actions and incidentally happened to have found damning evidence watching a claimed vanilla even though you'd think he'd watch Pxl since even if she wasn't killed, scum might have had something else to use on her that he could catch anyway. "Interesting".

Going back to Leo's role though...what is the point of a paranoid blocker godfather? Like why do you have a godfather, a role whose purpose is to be scanned, that is immune to scans? Does it just conveniently allow cop scans and only cop scans through? Because that sounds weird to me but eh.

Didn't Andy have a way to make a strongman? What if it could have strongmanned his scan. That is what I think

Do you seriously have the worst memory in the world or is this intentional misdirection
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pxlated posted...

Corrik posted...

Panthera posted...

So MZero comes in, reveals he was playing a big gambit and leaves while not claiming any of his other actions and incidentally happened to have found damning evidence watching a claimed vanilla even though you'd think he'd watch Pxl since even if she wasn't killed, scum might have had something else to use on her that he could catch anyway. "Interesting".

Going back to Leo's role though...what is the point of a paranoid blocker godfather? Like why do you have a godfather, a role whose purpose is to be scanned, that is immune to scans? Does it just conveniently allow cop scans and only cop scans through? Because that sounds weird to me but eh.

Didn't Andy have a way to make a strongman? What if it could have strongmanned his scan. That is what I think

Do you seriously have the worst memory in the world or is this intentional misdirection

If I am wrong just say it. I have poured of thousands of posts this game. My shit isn't perfect at this point memory wise
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Corrik if indeed town reading my break down of why he lied about his role day 4 must have been like "oh fuck you Chris I was clever" lol
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

pxlated posted...

I just wonder why i gave an entirely useless ability then

At the very least i expected some sort of scum answer to the dancer or unexpected role, with one of the powers being a janitor

Well keep in mind you have the power to confirm truths.

For example, you'd know our vig wasn't lying if you visited a corpse.

Or you'd know circumstances of death like poison and that helps clarify night actions and can at times be illuminating.

Your role isn't super strong but for instance if we didn't have poisoner flip early and someone claimed a town reason for that death, you could go 'nope.'

Niche but not useless.

I mean why even bother telling me "if you scan the same person two nights in a row, you can learn what their role was, even if it was previously unknown" If scum had no way to manipulate reveals
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I mean, he isn't saying that's the case, just that if something is unknown you'd then know.

Also possible scum has a jinjo who could janitor randomly.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Basically why would a town Mzero do anything but go "I watched Zach. Leo targeted him."

Oh don't worry, I'll tell you why ;)

Because a scum Mzero couldn't fake a watch before mass claim was done because if he did he'd be caught lying~

Sorry, again I am dumb, can you help me with this?

Mzero says his real action was that he watched Zach night 3... and therefore he saw that Zach was killed by Leo?

And instead of saying that, he said that he actually tracked Leo to Zach?

To keep scum from knowing his real role?

Okay. Setting aside the fact that that is dumb, why couldn't he have faked a watch? Because if someone else targeted Zach he'd be screwed?

Also, I asked this earlier, if it was already answered, then nvm:

Why the hell would scum Mzero fake an action on someone who was going to flip paranoid roleblocker? Are the only theories atm, a) that mzero thought he would actually die instead of leo, and b) that mzero always planned to reveal today that he was "lying"?

Corrik posted...

pxlated posted...

Corrik posted...

Panthera posted...

So MZero comes in, reveals he was playing a big gambit and leaves while not claiming any of his other actions and incidentally happened to have found damning evidence watching a claimed vanilla even though you'd think he'd watch Pxl since even if she wasn't killed, scum might have had something else to use on her that he could catch anyway. "Interesting".

Going back to Leo's role though...what is the point of a paranoid blocker godfather? Like why do you have a godfather, a role whose purpose is to be scanned, that is immune to scans? Does it just conveniently allow cop scans and only cop scans through? Because that sounds weird to me but eh.

Didn't Andy have a way to make a strongman? What if it could have strongmanned his scan. That is what I think

Do you seriously have the worst memory in the world or is this intentional misdirection

If I am wrong just say it. I have poured of thousands of posts this game. My shit isn't perfect at this point memory wise

Its just that power and how Andy used it were a huge part of the train against him.

Forgetting the details of that not very long after it happened is kind of astonishing.
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I'm so fucking slow I'm trying to respond to posts from a page ago and every time I post I end up more and more behind and commenting on things that were already addressed, geez

Corrik posted...

Leo would have absolutely won of Mzero got lynched.

Btw death could be scum and unclaimed jinjo. He was all about sheeping ur epiphany until you said Mzero was town then he packed it straight the fuck up and left.

Did he end on Mzero? I forget.

Also yes to that to line. Now do you see why I was so like... annoyed with you? Leo would have won the game if I hadn't went hard man lol
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It's also possible the SK could janitor someone and just chose not to for whatever reason (likely to not make it entirely obvious to scum that he existed)
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Panthera posted...

It's also possible the SK could janitor someone and just chose not to for whatever reason (likely to not make it entirely obvious to scum that he existed)

I feel like the host would have flipped that power when he flipped of he could have.
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CIRCLE OF TRUST

Pxl
Ashe
Panthera
Corrik
LOVABLE ME

BAD GUY
Mzero

POSSIBLE BAD GUYS
Dels/Death/Shad
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Panthera posted...

So MZero comes in, reveals he was playing a big gambit and leaves while not claiming any of his other actions and incidentally happened to have found damning evidence watching a claimed vanilla even though you'd think he'd watch Pxl since even if she wasn't killed, scum might have had something else to use on her that he could catch anyway. "Interesting".

It uh certainly seems like Mzero is scum, yes

I will say that mzero targeting dowolf makes absolutely 0 sense.

I was obviously either dying or being roleblocked.

Scanning me was the 100% correct and easy choice
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Corrik posted...

Leo would have absolutely won of Mzero got lynched.

Would he...? I thought his posts were kind of obviously scummy...

I'm just having a lot of trouble believing this idea that Mzero wanted to be lynched.

Leo's posts looked very clearly like "I know I'm going down, but I'll give town a good show because I'm awesome like that"

Not like someone who was planning to live

Or maybe that's just how I perceived them because I figured Mzero was town and Leo was scum and saw everything through that lens?

It's okay Dels, this must be very frustrating for you.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Now do you see why I was so like... annoyed with you? Leo would have won the game if I hadn't went hard man lol

Again, really not buying into this, Leo was always the obvious lynch there.

You guys can act like the town would've lynched mzero

but remember, theatrics aside, the actual reasonable and calm people

aka death/panthera/dowolf/ashe ... (and myself)

all know that leo was the obvious lynch there.

granted death may be scum (and maybe panthera?)

but like

i just don't agree with saying that chris "saved the day" by making sure town lynched leo

of course the town was gonna lynch the dude who got tracked to the kill, come on

DoomTheGyarados posted...

It's okay Dels, this must be very frustrating for you.

Chris

I've made multiple posts directed at you over the past hour

I would appreciate it if you answered them

I know a lot has been going on, but I wanna discuss things

Death who only voted leo because of me huh.

Reasonable townie.
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Dels posted...

Would he...? I thought his posts were kind of obviously scummy...

Scum faked a scan on Leo to get him lynched at a time where a mislynch would bring town one away from losing. You find this out. Do you kinda sorta read Leo as scum, or do you assume scum tried to sacrifice a low activity player to take out a good town player whose internet issues made him an easy target?

The fact that expecting MZero to get lynched over Leo there is a stretch is my one hesitation, granted. Because that seems implausible to believe would happen, especially if Corrik is town since he was pretty much the one person desperately trying to lynch MZero.
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Also: after we lynched scum yesterday, if neither of the claimed trackers was being killed (continuing to block me does make sense as I have been useless to town), why is Chris alive?

Why take the risk on some meta WiFom "let's try and get suspicion on Chris for being alive still" when we aren't at lylo and if we did mislynch him, we have all of the evidence against others he would surely come up with to use the next day.

Going after leo with his unique role, as his scum buddy is...an interesting gambit, and certainly hard to explain. But as i see it, not harder to explain than why the fuck is Chris alive
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Ok so

Chris

Here's a question that I need your help with (because I can't think for myself and need your opinions to guide me)

And it involves putting yourself in my shoes, which surely you can do

You said that mzero can ONLY be scum if I am scum

This makes sense because I was the one in danger of being lynched (assuming people listened to you, which they usually do) so the only reason to just randomly bus would be to deflect?

I mean, I said yesterday that it could only be mzero scum/leo town if I was scum, because if I'm town then mzero has no reason to force a mislynch, he could let me die

I believe the same still applies here, because if I'm town, why randomly do this gambit, right?

So now, (and since you have this day on lock, you have plenty of time to entertain hypotheticals), put yourself in my shoes

I know I am town

Why then, should I believe that Mzero did this as scum?

What is the reason for pulling this game instead of just letting me get lynched?

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Death who only voted leo because of me huh.

Reasonable townie.

did he?

i mean personally i think death is probably scum, but if he's town i imagine he'd know to lynch the person who got tracked to the kill. that's just... standard.

but I guess I honestly don't remember. I just assumed everyone knew to lynch leo.

pxlated posted...

Also: after we lynched scum yesterday, if neither of the claimed trackers was being killed (continuing to block me does make sense as I have been useless to town), why is Chris alive?

Why take the risk on some meta WiFom "let's try and get suspicion on Chris for being alive still" when we aren't at lylo and if we did mislynch him, we have all of the evidence against others he would surely come up with to use the next day.

Going after leo with his unique role, as his scum buddy is...an interesting gambit, and certainly hard to explain. But as i see it, not harder to explain than why the fuck is Chris alive

And yet here you are.
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also...why did blade not give a day end time

@Meow1000 when does day end
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

pxlated posted...

Also: after we lynched scum yesterday, if neither of the claimed trackers was being killed (continuing to block me does make sense as I have been useless to town), why is Chris alive?

Why take the risk on some meta WiFom "let's try and get suspicion on Chris for being alive still" when we aren't at lylo and if we did mislynch him, we have all of the evidence against others he would surely come up with to use the next day.

Going after leo with his unique role, as his scum buddy is...an interesting gambit, and certainly hard to explain. But as i see it, not harder to explain than why the fuck is Chris alive

And yet here you are.

i'm not sure what this has anything to do with what i said
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Panthera posted...

Scum faked a scan on Leo to get him lynched at a time where a mislynch would bring town one away from losing. You find this out. Do you kinda sorta read Leo as scum, or do you assume scum tried to sacrifice a low activity player to take out a good town player whose internet issues made him an easy target?

Well, we considered that as an option yesterday, didn't we? Leo said, and I think corrik said, and I said, and even death, we all said that yes, this would be a good time to do a 1-for-1. It was honestly a plausible theory. But I never saw it as being plausible enough that we'd actually lynch MZero there. I guess it's possible that scum hoped town would realize that it was a good time for a 1-for-1, but eh, that's kind of... risky.

And the thing is, if Mzero is scum, they did it in a way where if it somehow did go the other way (Leo being lynched), then Mzero would be totally screwed because Leo would flip paranoid roleblocker!

So if they wanted Mzero lynched, they were playing it really really really risky.

Right?

(Thanks for actually discussing it with me btw Panthera. I want to look at every angle here, hell, we have lots of time to do so)

'Why risk ..."

Because people like you will get paranoid. It isn't about today. Scum needs 2 mislynches total to win. No one has really cleared me. Dels has but... and now corrik has. But while I am awesome I wasnt dowolf or you status. They killed a reasonable townie who everyone knew was town.

Sadly for them I am back to calm.
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Luckily for me I just might see a day 6 given town has two obvious powers now and you are beginning to get paranoid. What an amazing game this is.
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Anyway no need to ask why I am alive now, since I am 0% chance of being lynched today. Did you have any questions about my four posts to begin the day?

Panthera should recognize those type of posts!
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

'Why risk ..."

Because people like you will get paranoid. It isn't about today. Scum needs 2 mislynches total to win. No one has really cleared me. Dels has but... and now corrik has. But while I am awesome I wasnt dowolf or you status. They killed a reasonable townie who everyone knew was town.

Sadly for them I am back to calm.

right but if you're town scum ought to be shitting themselves that you're still around because you're at this point the most motivated and logical player left. if they got you mislynched and you flipped town you would absolutely leave a mountain of evidence behind that would direct the town towards the rest of the scum.

which i see as either you're scum or you've been pretty wrong in your stated theories thus far
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I just think there are legit points to be discussed to solidy the theories being presented here and I'd like to do that rather than just, like, dance and celebrate and start making assumptions

The main ones being, why does Mzero do the gambit in that way if Leo will flip paranoid roleblocker and screw it all up, and why does Mzero do it when actually I am town? And uh, maybe there are some others, I don't remember everything I've asked tonight

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Luckily for me I just might see a day 6 given town has two obvious powers now and you are beginning to get paranoid. What an amazing game this is.

"beginning" to get paranoid

have you not seen my interactions in the rest of this game

i am literally diagnosably paranoid.
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