Poll of the Day > So when Trump brings in New Judges and repeal Legal Abortions...

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Delicinq4 posted...

The important thing is that women must always have the right to choose to kill the living baby inside of them that exists as a consequence of their ill-thought out promiscuity.

How many men do you know that, even in the unlikely event that they keep their promises, you'd carry their little parasite in your belly for nine months and then spend another 18 years raising it?

It would be a much different story if men got pregnant.
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dancer62 posted...

Delicinq4 posted...

The important thing is that women must always have the right to choose to kill the living baby inside of them that exists as a consequence of their ill-thought out promiscuity.

How many men do you know that, even in the unlikely event that they keep their promises, you'd carry their little parasite in your belly for nine months and then spend another 18 years raising it?

It would be a much different story if men got pregnant.

I your sentence missing words.
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Lol how do most of you even function?
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Lol at men trying to control what women can do with their body yet also preaching freedom despite spewing religious venom in the name of Christianity all while hypocritically shunnin Islam who are barely any different from them.
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xOmniCloudx posted...

Lol at men trying to control what women can do with their body yet also preaching freedom despite spewing religious venom in the name of Christianity all while hypocritically shunnin Islam who are barely any different from them.

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Kungfu Kenobi posted...

yutterh posted...

As a Christian this is my stance.

First
It is better for the woman to have a safe place for abortions, then them going to some back ally and get coat hangered.

Second
A fetus is not alive until it has a heart beat. Until then, it is still basically just a bunch of cells stuck together.

With that said, abusing this system as birth control is horrible and in human. It should only be used if the mother's life is at risk or rape. A mistake abortion is fine, some people can't handle parent hood or going to term. But they should all be encouraged to go the full term, either by giving the kid up for adoption or deciding to keep the baby.

But like I said, when it's abused as a form of birth control, those people should be left barren. They obviously don't want kids and don't deserve them. I met someone like this, she had five abortions in like 2-3 years. I want to say less but that just sounds even more ridiculous. She was a cool human being and had 2 kids but she obviously needed to have her tubes tied or find a different form of birth control. People like that make me sick inside.

Well then people need to stop shaming women for their use of reproductive controls. I don't exactly blame women for not using any protection when it's considered by many an admission that they're some sort of hussy. A woman on the pill is making a bold statement that she intends to *gasp* have sex for pleasure, and that's a statement she'll receive some abuse for with the wrong crowd. At least if she goes without then she has some plausible deniability.

I 100% agree, it's pretty damn stupid honestly. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. I also think it's part of the father's responsibility too. Men need to use protection and make sure the woman is as well. If you use a condom and birth control, sounds like a pretty safe combo.
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PK_Spam posted...

xOmniCloudx posted...

Lol at men trying to control what women can do with their body yet also preaching freedom despite spewing religious venom in the name of Christianity all while hypocritically shunnin Islam who are barely any different from them.

Did y'all read my post? I don't think it was Christian venom......
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Rasmoh posted...

The amount of support out there for other things that would fall under the purview of bodily autonomy such as drug legalization, suicide, or self-mutilation is non-existent in comparison.

Drug legalization has plenty of support, assisted suicide is gaining a solid foothold in many places (though more often than not, suicide is a consequence of mental illness and therefore not a competently-made decision, which is why it's prevented in other circumstances), and self-mutilation is similarly accepted when it's not a consequence of mental illness (i.e. piercings and tattoos are very different things from cutting).

yutterh posted...

Men need to use protection and make sure the woman is as well.

Yeah, no. You can only cover your own ass, and if anybody needs to be checking others it's the woman as it's her who will be hit with the responsibility in all cases.
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RoboXgp89 posted...

Why value human life as more than a fishes life? A fish has tons of dreams and memorable experiences to tell you. A human in that stage not so much.

Because without intervention it will? I dont know why people compare fetuses to sperm. They're not the same. Barring a complication the fetus will become a person while an individual sperm needs a lot of things to go right before it can even become a fetus. Even then only one of millions of sperm will succeed. The rest just die. We find killing children particularly horrifying precisely because we have destroyed the potential experiences they'll now never have. I dislike that we attempt to disconnect from the killing of a fetus as a killing of a person. If you want the right to abortion call it what it is. Dont bullshit everyone else about it.
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We should be paying women to have more abortions.
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It means less poor people why would Republicans be against it?
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All this will do is increase the amount of dangerous, probably homemade abortions methods.
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Andromicus posted...

It means less poor people why would Republicans be against it?

Who would they use to frighten their support base with?
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Mofuji posted...

In his first week in office, President Trump reinstated and expanded the Mexico City Policy that prevented $9 billion in foreign aid from being used to fund the abortion industry.

You mean so they can use that money for more important things, like feeding the hungry and medicine?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

President Trump de-funded a U.N. agency for colluding with Chinas brutal program of forced abortion and sterilization.

Stopping funding to a program that was clearly abusing human rights?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

President Trump worked with the Congress to sign a bill overturning an Obama midnight regulation that prohibited States from defunding abortion service providers.

Giving more power to the states to make their own choices?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

The Trump Administration published guidance which promises to enforce the Obamacare requirement that taxpayer dollars should not support abortion coverage in exchange plans.

You mean people that want them would have to pay for them themselves, rather than expecting the taxpayer to foot the bill?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

Reinstated the Mexico City Policy to ban any U.S. foreign aid to organizations that perform abortions.

You mean so they can use that money for more important things, like feeding the hungry and medicine?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

Signed a Congressional Review Act bill to allow states to restrict Planned Parenthood Funding.

Giving more power to the states to make their own choices?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

So much wrong here.
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chaosbowser posted...

RoboXgp89 posted...

Why value human life as more than a fishes life? A fish has tons of dreams and memorable experiences to tell you. A human in that stage not so much.

Because without intervention it will? I dont know why people compare fetuses to sperm. They're not the same. Barring a complication the fetus will become a person while an individual sperm needs a lot of things to go right before it can even become a fetus. Even then only one of millions of sperm will succeed. The rest just die. We find killing children particularly horrifying precisely because we have destroyed the potential experiences they'll now never have. I dislike that we attempt to disconnect from the killing of a fetus as a killing of a person. If you want the right to abortion call it what it is. Dont bullshit everyone else about it.

it's a bloody clump of cells, you're so egotistical you see a dead embryo on the ground and think to yourself a human is there lying on the ground when the human left it there 3 hours ago and is half way to vegas.

If it fits in your mouth it's not human

Delicinq4 posted...

The important thing is that women must always have the right to choose to kill the living baby inside of them that exists as a consequence of their ill-thought out promiscuity.

No woman ever has a baby inside of them. They have zygotes, embryos, or fetuses.

adjl posted...

Delicinq4 posted...

that exists as a consequence of their ill-thought out promiscuity.

[Citation needed]

https://imgur.com/WYdZr48

Delicinq4 posted...

Premature babies

A premature baby is still born. It is no longer a fetus then. Also only the ones that are far ahead in development can actually survive anyway.

Rasmoh posted...

killing for convenience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M" data-time="

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Weed is being legalised aggressively despite the effect on society that abortion doesn't, assisted has strong support despite the economic damage to society and tattoos are legal.

Well good things should be legal.

Rasmoh posted...

And again, the people who push for legal weed almost never push for legal meth or heroin, meaning they only support bodily autonomy to their own personal comfort level.

Or they actually know the harder drugs have no good benefits.
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Rasmoh posted...

McSame_as_Bush posted...

No guilt. Life =/= child.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child

1 a : an unborn or recently born person

4 a : a son or daughter of human parents

Seems to fit the criteria to me.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/child

Use a better dictionary.

yutterh posted...

But like I said, when it's abused as a form of birth control, those people should be left barren. They obviously don't want kids and don't deserve them. I met someone like this, she had five abortions in like 2-3 years. I want to say less but that just sounds even more ridiculous. She was a cool human being and had 2 kids but she obviously needed to have her tubes tied or find a different form of birth control. People like that make me sick inside.

I don't believe any of this actually happened.

Mofuji posted...

In his first week in office, President Trump reinstated and expanded the Mexico City Policy that prevented $9 billion in foreign aid from being used to fund the abortion industry.

You mean so they can use that money for more important things, like feeding the hungry and medicine?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

President Trump de-funded a U.N. agency for colluding with Chinas brutal program of forced abortion and sterilization.

Stopping funding to a program that was clearly abusing human rights?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

President Trump worked with the Congress to sign a bill overturning an Obama midnight regulation that prohibited States from defunding abortion service providers.

Giving more power to the states to make their own choices?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

The Trump Administration published guidance which promises to enforce the Obamacare requirement that taxpayer dollars should not support abortion coverage in exchange plans.

You mean people that want them would have to pay for them themselves, rather than expecting the taxpayer to foot the bill?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

Reinstated the Mexico City Policy to ban any U.S. foreign aid to organizations that perform abortions.

You mean so they can use that money for more important things, like feeding the hungry and medicine?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

Signed a Congressional Review Act bill to allow states to restrict Planned Parenthood Funding.

Giving more power to the states to make their own choices?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

The funding for Planned Parenthood was not used for abortions. They have other services. Planned Parenthood abortion services are funded by other people. It is illegal for abortion to be used using federal funding.

chaosbowser posted...

Because without intervention it will? I dont know why people compare fetuses to sperm. They're not the same. Barring a complication the fetus will become a person while an individual sperm needs a lot of things to go right before it can even become a fetus. Even then only one of millions of sperm will succeed. The rest just die. We find killing children particularly horrifying precisely because we have destroyed the potential experiences they'll now never have. I dislike that we attempt to disconnect from the killing of a fetus as a killing of a person. If you want the right to abortion call it what it is. Dont bullshit everyone else about it.

Well yeah a lot of people find that killing actual children to be an awful thing.
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I hope that if Roe v. Wade gets overturned, the Supreme Court will let states allow or ban abortion as they wish and will not declare that all human organisms, even the unborn ones, are people under the Constitution (which, since by the 14th Amendment all people must be equally protected under the law, would effectively ban abortion everywhere).

If unborn humans do get declared people, we'd probably have to do something about all those fertilized eggs that don't implant and pass out of the woman before she knows she's pregnant, to change inheritance laws, etc. And it does seem to me like it would get too invasive to do those things, and I don't feel any moral pull to do them either. (Of course, maybe I should.) I did read a part of Roe v. Wade in which the justices said that since in all matters other than abortion, unborn humans have never been recognized as people, it was appropriate not to consider them as people when deciding whether abortion should be legal.

Revelation34 posted...

yutterh posted...

But like I said, when it's abused as a form of birth control, those people should be left barren. They obviously don't want kids and don't deserve them. I met someone like this, she had five abortions in like 2-3 years. I want to say less but that just sounds even more ridiculous. She was a cool human being and had 2 kids but she obviously needed to have her tubes tied or find a different form of birth control. People like that make me sick inside.

I don't believe any of this actually happened.

I keep telling myself that every time I remember it : / It's ridiculous but it is absolutely true.
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Probably means people will need to be more responsible for their actions like it or not
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Zangulus posted...

Actually, suicide legality has to do with Right to Die legislation. Terminally ill people who are in constant pain.

Not mentally ill people.

Apologies if I was unclear, I know there's a very important distinction between a terminally ill person seeking a less painful death and a depressed person committing suicide, and that the legalization efforts are focused entirely on the former situation without trying to normalize the latter. Suicide as a consequence of mental illness is still a very serious problem, and the emphasis should always remain on alleviating the suffering that is making people want to die. A competent wish to die, however, should be respected.
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*enters topic*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqJVa0fl01w" data-time="
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OmegaM posted...

I hope that if Roe v. Wade gets overturned, the Supreme Court will let states allow or ban abortion as they wish and will not declare that all human organisms, even the unborn ones, are people under the Constitution (which, since by the 14th Amendment all people must be equally protected under the law, would effectively ban abortion everywhere).

If unborn humans do get declared people, we'd probably have to do something about all those fertilized eggs that don't implant and pass out of the woman before she knows she's pregnant, to change inheritance laws, etc. And it does seem to me like it would get too invasive to do those things, and I don't feel any moral pull to do them either. (Of course, maybe I should.) I did read a part of Roe v. Wade in which the justices said that since in all matters other than abortion, unborn humans have never been recognized as people, it was appropriate not to consider them as people when deciding whether abortion should be legal.

Well to be fair even if they did that the 14th amendment wouldn't apply to fetuses.

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
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I find it hilarious that people think that abortion is actually going to be made illegal

"Trump will never be president."

I'm sure philandering politicians will still find a way to get their mistresses abortions though.

HorrorJudasGoat posted...

"Trump will never be president."

Not the same thing whatsoever.
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Oh boy, it's the "you're wrong about literally everything at every step of everything you said" game.

No digressing. This isn't about his policies, this is me trying to convince Republican voters that the people they voted for want to undo Roe Vs. Wade and go further than that if they possibly can. Every time there's a digression, I'm just typing a emoji.

@Mofuji posted...

In his first week in office, President Trump reinstated and expanded the Mexico City Policy that prevented $9 billion in foreign aid from being used to fund the abortion industry.You mean so they can use that money for more important things, like feeding the hungry and medicine?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

President Trump de-funded a U.N. agency for colluding with Chinas brutal program of forced abortion and sterilization.

Stopping funding to a program that was clearly abusing human rights?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

President Trump worked with the Congress to sign a bill overturning an Obama midnight regulation that prohibited States from defunding abortion service providers.

Giving more power to the states to make their own choices?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

You figured it out, they're undoing Roe Vs. Wade, allowing more Republicans to outlaw abortions. White old men are given the opportunity to take away young females' basic human rights. On the state level!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDOrc8FmDy4" data-time="

The Trump Administration published guidance which promises to enforce the Obamacare requirement that taxpayer dollars should not support abortion coverage in exchange plans.

You mean people that want them would have to pay for them themselves, rather than expecting the taxpayer to foot the bill?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

Reinstated the Mexico City Policy to ban any U.S. foreign aid to organizations that perform abortions.

You mean so they can use that money for more important things, like feeding the hungry and medicine?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

Signed a Congressional Review Act bill to allow states to restrict Planned Parenthood Funding.

Giving more power to the states to make their own choices?! MY GOD WHAT A MADMAN.

The rest of what you said was basically, "I don't recognize access to abortion as a basic human right and the government shouldn't recognize it as such"

I don't think you would recognize access to healthcare as a basic human right either.
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joemodda posted...

Probably means people will need to be more responsible for their actions like it or not

So women will have to try harder not to be raped because if she is impregnated during that act, she will have to keep the kid she never wanted? The kid she cant emotionally and financially care for?
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Revelation34 posted...

OmegaM posted...

I hope that if Roe v. Wade gets overturned, the Supreme Court will let states allow or ban abortion as they wish and will not declare that all human organisms, even the unborn ones, are people under the Constitution (which, since by the 14th Amendment all people must be equally protected under the law, would effectively ban abortion everywhere).

If unborn humans do get declared people, we'd probably have to do something about all those fertilized eggs that don't implant and pass out of the woman before she knows she's pregnant, to change inheritance laws, etc. And it does seem to me like it would get too invasive to do those things, and I don't feel any moral pull to do them either. (Of course, maybe I should.) I did read a part of Roe v. Wade in which the justices said that since in all matters other than abortion, unborn humans have never been recognized as people, it was appropriate not to consider them as people when deciding whether abortion should be legal.

Well to be fair even if they did that the 14th amendment wouldn't apply to fetuses.

"Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

I thought that too at first, but this guy says that the writers of the Fourteenth Amendment did consider unborn humans to be people. I don't know what the counter-evidence is; I'm sure there is some.

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/07/how-to-overturn-roe
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2970761

In the second link (I didn't read the whole thing), he says that the "born or naturalized" phrase tells only what's necessary to be a citizen of the U.S., not what's necessary to be a person; and that the equal protection part of the Fourteenth Amendment applies to all people, not just citizens.

Obviously, if he's right, the Constitution could be amended to state that humans become legal people only at birth. There probably would be a lot of support for such an amendment.

"I don't recognize access to abortion as a basic human right and the government shouldn't recognize it as such"

Because it isn't. Abortion is, and always has been, the last resort. It's there to terminate a pregnancy due to rape or other means of having it forced upon you against your own will, when all other birth control has somehow failed or there are significant defects in the fetus that would make their future lives a living Hell.

It isn't just a stop gap measure because you couldn't be assed to be responsible and employ correct birth control measures. If you cannot be responsible and take control of your own bodily functions, then why should I, or any tax payer, have to foot the bill for you?
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Mofuji posted...

If you cannot be responsible and take control of your own bodily functions, then why should I, or any tax payer, have to foot the bill for you?

Because abortions are cheaper than arresting and incarcerating people (which you would also be paying for). Being the child of a single parent is one of the strongest single predictors of criminal behaviour, especially when that single parent is already in a lower-SES situation. Why, then, should you insist that somebody outside of a stable relationship and/or financial situation give birth to a child that you'll likely end up paying to support anyway instead of funding their abortion? The abortion is generally going to be the cheaper option, if you properly analyse the costs involved.

I do quite agree that abortion should be a last resort, and that as a society we should be working to minimize the number of abortions needed (particularly improving the accessibility of birth control and permanently purging the country of the grotesque failure that is abstinence-only sex ed), but so many pro-life people completely ignore what happens after birth (or during pregnancy, since they rather conspicuously fail to lobby for accessible, quality prenatal care, in professing their love for that unborn child) and look at abortion in a vacuum. That's not good.
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OmegaM posted...

I thought that too at first, but this guy says that the writers of the Fourteenth Amendment did consider unborn humans to be people. I don't know what the counter-evidence is; I'm sure there is some.

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/07/how-to-overturn-roe
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2970761

In the second link (I didn't read the whole thing), he says that the "born or naturalized" phrase tells only what's necessary to be a citizen of the U.S., not what's necessary to be a person; and that the equal protection part of the Fourteenth Amendment applies to all people, not just citizens.

Obviously, if he's right, the Constitution could be amended to state that humans become legal people only at birth. There probably would be a lot of support for such an amendment

Modern abortion didn't exist back then so that guy is wrong.

Mofuji posted...

It isn't just a stop gap measure because you couldn't be assed to be responsible and employ correct birth control measures. If you cannot be responsible and take control of your own bodily functions, then why should I, or any tax payer, have to foot the bill for you?

This doesn't happen anyway so you have nothing to worry about.
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EvilMegas posted...

Lol how do most of you even function?

They don't.
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All other considerations aside, 1/5 pregnancies end in miscarriage. Criminalize abortion and you clog up an already clogged up justice system wherein police have to waste their time investigating miscarriages as being potential abortions. I'm not exaggerating; we've already seen this happen. Call me crazy, but I'd rather the police not waste their time putting women who miscarry through the investigative wringer. You can sneer all you want about pro-choicers saying that people want to police their bodies, but if you want to criminalize abortion, then that's exactly what is going to end up happening, especially if you actually know anything about women's bodies.

I'll go a bit further than that, though. In anti-choice countries, if the woman's health care could cause the pregnancy to fail? The pregnancy is prioritized. Women have died of cancer during their pregnancies when they were denied chemotherapy, because the chemo would likely have caused an abortion. So the woman gets to die with the fetus. Pro-life policies in action, everybody. Wtg.

Mofuji posted...

If you cannot be responsible and take control of your own bodily functions, then why should I, or any tax payer, have to foot the bill for you?

Seems you don't know much of anything about the subject. This doesn't happen.
Oh, but I'll have to help you pay for your Viagra someday.
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All other considerations aside, 1/5 pregnancies end in miscarriage. Criminalize abortion and you clog up an already clogged up justice system wherein police have to waste their time investigating miscarriages as being potential abortions. I'm not exaggerating; we've already seen this happen. Call me crazy, but I'd rather the police not waste their time putting women who miscarry through the investigative wringer. You can sneer all you want about pro-choicers saying that people want to police their bodies, but if you want to criminalize abortion, then that's exactly what is going to end up happening, especially if you actually know anything about women's bodies.

I'll go a bit further than that, though. In anti-choice countries, if the woman's health care could cause the pregnancy to fail? The pregnancy is prioritized. Women have died of cancer during their pregnancies when they were denied chemotherapy, because the chemo would likely have caused an abortion. So the woman gets to die with the fetus. Pro-life policies in action, everybody. Wtg.

Heck, I'll go even further. Talking specifically about the USA? We have a very high rate of maternal deaths, and it's rising. Having a child is an expensive and dangerous experience worldwide, but it is far more dangerous and expensive in the USA than it is in, say, Canada. Forcing women who cannot afford the extremely expensive process of having a child in the US health care system puts them in danger, and our maternal mortality rate is currently on par with SAUDI ARABIA as is.

You wanna decrease the rate of abortions? So do I. Here's how you can do it in a way that isn't idiotic:

* Support policies that reduce poverty. Support policies that reduce the cost of pregnancy and child-rearing. This is the #1 reason why US women have abortions. They can't afford to undergo pregnancy (which is far more dangerous than an abortion, btw), but they can afford a pill.

* Support the spread of birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies from occurring. Abstinence only does not work; over 90% of Americans have pre-marital sex. If you want practical solutions to this, then people need to get off their high horses.

Making it illegal doesn't stop it; it just makes it more dangerous. Criminalizing doesn't stop it; it just impedes our justice system and makes a lot of women who miscarry miserable.

Mofuji posted...

If you cannot be responsible and take control of your own bodily functions, then why should I, or any tax payer, have to foot the bill for you?

Seems you don't know much of anything about the subject. This doesn't happen.
Oh, but I'll have to help you pay for your Viagra someday.
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Gaawa_chan posted...

All other considerations aside, 1/5 pregnancies end in miscarriage. Criminalize abortion and you clog up an already clogged up justice system wherein police have to waste their time investigating miscarriages as being potential abortions. I'm not exaggerating; we've already seen this happen. Call me crazy, but I'd rather the police not waste their time putting women who miscarry through the investigative wringer. You can sneer all you want about pro-choicers saying that people want to police their bodies, but if you want to criminalize abortion, then that's exactly what is going to end up happening, especially if you actually know anything about women's bodies.

I'll go a bit further than that, though. In anti-choice countries, if the woman's health care could cause the pregnancy to fail? The pregnancy is prioritized. Women have died of cancer during their pregnancies when they were denied chemotherapy, because the chemo would likely have caused an abortion. So the woman gets to die with the fetus. Pro-life policies in action, everybody. Wtg.

Heck, I'll go even further. Talking specifically about the USA? We have a very high rate of maternal deaths, and it's rising. Having a child is an expensive and dangerous experience worldwide, but it is far more dangerous and expensive in the USA than it is in, say, Canada. Forcing women who cannot afford the extremely expensive process of having a child in the US health care system puts them in danger, and our maternal mortality rate is currently on par with SAUDI ARABIA as is.

You wanna decrease the rate of abortions? So do I. Here's how you can do it in a way that isn't idiotic:

* Support policies that reduce poverty. Support policies that reduce the cost of pregnancy and child-rearing. This is the #1 reason why US women have abortions. They can't afford to undergo pregnancy (which is far more dangerous than an abortion, btw), but they can afford a pill.

* Support the spread of birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies from occurring. Abstinence only does not work; over 90% of Americans have pre-marital sex. If you want practical solutions to this, then people need to get off their high horses.

Making it illegal doesn't stop it; it just makes it more dangerous. Criminalizing doesn't stop it; it just impedes our justice system and makes a lot of women who miscarry miserable.

Mofuji posted...

If you cannot be responsible and take control of your own bodily functions, then why should I, or any tax payer, have to foot the bill for you?

Seems you don't know much of anything about the subject. This doesn't happen.
Oh, but I'll have to help you pay for your Viagra someday.

Most of that happens in third world countries where abortion is already illegal. Spreading birth control wouldn't work like that. You would need to properly teach how to use them too.

Also do you happen to be from the UK?
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Revelation34 posted...

Spreading birth control wouldn't work like that. You would need to properly teach how to use them too.

I should have been more specific but considering I mentioned abstinence only I would have thought the education side of it would have been obvious.

Revelation34 posted...

Most of that happens in third world countries where abortion is already illegal.

... The mortality rate and obscene expenses for carrying a fetus to term are USA-specific problems, but I assume by "most of that" you mean "women being punished for having miscarriages." And yes, that MOSTLY happens elsewhere, but that is only because as of right now, abortion is legal or rarely criminalized in the USA. But if you don't think it happens here at all, or you don't think it won't happen if it is further criminalized, you're a fool.

Several hundred women in the USA have already experienced what I've described above here in the USA. My favorite examples are the ones where authorities that think a woman might abort or commit suicide force the women to have cesareans (this killed one of the women, btw), or one case in Louisiana, where they locked up a woman for second-degree murder for having a first trimester miscarriage (very common).

"in 2014, Lynn M. Paltrow and Jeanne Flavin claimed to have identified over 380 cases where women faced criminal charges for miscarrying with the charges ranging from "attempted fetal homicide" for falling down the stairs to "second-degree murder" for a spontaneous miscarriage in the first trimester."
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Gaawa_chan posted...

"in 2014, Lynn M. Paltrow and Jeanne Flavin claimed to have identified over 380 cases where women faced criminal charges for miscarrying with the charges ranging from "attempted fetal homicide" for falling down the stairs to "second-degree murder" for a spontaneous miscarriage in the first trimester."

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Revelation34 posted...

Spreading birth control wouldn't work like that. You would need to properly teach how to use them too.

Uhh, duh? I don't think anyone's suggesting that handing out free condoms and IUD's without any sort of instructions would help. Anyone proposing subsidized birth control is also going to be in favour of comprehensive sex ed.

Revelation34 posted...

claimed

You've been given a publication year and the full names of two authors. That should be enough to track down the paper and assess the validity of their claims for yourself, if you doubt it. Of course, that would require actual work, whereas attempting to discredit the paragraph by taking a standard scientific term out of its scientific context is pretty effortless.
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Hahahaha

Trump just picked an ultra right judge
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St_Kevin posted...

Hahahaha

Trump just picked an ultra right judge

Doesn't mean anything. Roe v. Wade isn't going away.
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We'll see

*popcorns*
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Nah we'll know.
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dancer62 posted...

Delicinq4 posted...

The important thing is that women must always have the right to choose to kill the living baby inside of them that exists as a consequence of their ill-thought out promiscuity.

How many men do you know that, even in the unlikely event that they keep their promises, you'd carry their little parasite in your belly for nine months and then spend another 18 years raising it?

It would be a much different story if men got pregnant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_support
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RoboXgp89 posted...

chaosbowser posted...

RoboXgp89 posted...

Why value human life as more than a fishes life? A fish has tons of dreams and memorable experiences to tell you. A human in that stage not so much.

Because without intervention it will? I dont know why people compare fetuses to sperm. They're not the same. Barring a complication the fetus will become a person while an individual sperm needs a lot of things to go right before it can even become a fetus. Even then only one of millions of sperm will succeed. The rest just die. We find killing children particularly horrifying precisely because we have destroyed the potential experiences they'll now never have. I dislike that we attempt to disconnect from the killing of a fetus as a killing of a person. If you want the right to abortion call it what it is. Dont bullshit everyone else about it.

it's a bloody clump of cells, you're so egotistical you see a dead embryo on the ground and think to yourself a human is there lying on the ground when the human left it there 3 hours ago and is half way to vegas.

If it fits in your mouth it's not human

Egotistical ? No I'm merely deconstructing the poor logic most people apply to killing a fetus. FYI we are all just a clump of cells and the whole week cut off things are pretty damn arbitrary. There are many reasons why abortion has a right to be legal but trying to claim it's not a killing is ridiculous and irritates me to no end.
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chaosbowser posted...

Egotistical ? No I'm merely deconstructing the poor logic most people apply to killing a fetus. FYI we are all just a clump of cells and the whole week cut off things are pretty damn arbitrary. There are many reasons why abortion has a right to be legal but trying to claim it's not a killing is ridiculous and irritates me to no end.

Nobody has ever said it isn't killing. It isn't murder, nor are you killing a baby or a child.
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St_Kevin posted...

XlaxJynx007 posted...

I find it hilarious that people think that abortion is actually going to be made illegal

LOL yeah

Also the USA will never put children in cages.

The children in cages picture was out of context. It was taken at a protest in June where they put him in a cage as part of the protest and he started crying, and they took a picture of it..

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/us/photo-migrant-child-cage-trnd/index.html
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^CNN is fake news.
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