Current Events > a minimum wage should be a livable wage

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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

why's everyone obsessed with increasing wages and not lowering the absurd value of stuff

This. The inflation is the real problem here.
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Villain posted...

Anyway I hope you guys keep enjoying subsidizing minimum wage workers since the corporations they work for won't provide it.

You seem to assume we wouldn't if they did.
Well, I guess that would be technically correct, overall.

Villain posted...

donkeyjack posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

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MedzXVIII posted...

minimum wage is livable wage You do not need 5+ dollars coffee and a 1000 dollar cell phone to live.

Found another out of touch neet.

Or maybe he is another working person who knows how to save and spend wisely?

All these dudes do is get butthurt about facts and start calling people names when we're just giving advice.

You mean posting a narrative that doesn't exist? Because they aren't posting facts.

Dude, explain to me why minimum wage should be a "baller shot caller" lifestyle? You have ZERO SKILLS. People can do that stuff with their eyes clothes. You know why you think like this? Because they are humans and they automatically deserved the best in life, NO. You need to prove to society that you need to make the money you want instead of worrying about the damn GOV'T. You guys who enable this minimum wages should be livable should be ASHAMED of yourself. You basically gave up on yourself and what other folks to fund your lifestyle. Just admit to that and I will NOT say another thing EVER AGAIN.

Even McDonalds are letting people go lol. You guys want to raise minimum wage. Man y'all basic understanding of economics is hilarious.
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donkeyjack posted...

Dude, explain to me why minimum wage should be a "baller shot caller" lifestyle?

Everything after this is invalidated because you literally just made shit up to argue from.

No one is saying it should be a "baller shot caller" lifestyle so stop bringing it up.

I stopped reading about page 6 so I'll say what I always say. Fuck increasing starting wages and start enabling raises due to hours earned. 2080 hours a year assuming 40 hours a week. Mandate a minimum 50 cent raise for every 1000 hours worked with a maximum of 5 dollars via this method. This way it'll take just under 5 years to "max out" under this method. This allows even a "basic job" to hit the 13-15 dollar range that liberals want after they've put in the time. And should satisfy conservatives who want liberals to work for more pay instead of it being handed to them.

And 13-15 ain't much, but it should be enough to save up for schools, certifications, and general training in skills to request a better job.
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Villain posted...

Anyway I hope you guys keep enjoying subsidizing minimum wage workers since the corporations they work for won't provide it.

I unironically think that expanded social safety nets are preferable to higher minimum wages personally but I see what you're getting at for sure
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Unknown5uspect posted...

donkeyjack posted...

Dude, explain to me why minimum wage should be a "baller shot caller" lifestyle?

Everything after this is invalidated because you literally just made shit up to argue from.

No one is saying it should be a "baller shot caller" lifestyle so stop bringing it up.

I'm obviously being snarky
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donkeyjack posted...

Even McDonalds are letting people go lol.

Are they really?
Instead of being woefully understaffed for the lunch rush, now they can devote 'front' employees to the drivethru instead, while most anyone inside uses the touchscreens and can be serviced by the one cashier they seemed to only ever have anyway.

Same with those self-checkouts at walmart. Instead of having three lanes open out of forty, now they have a regular checkout lane, the "smokes" lane, and one person hovering over 4-6 self-checkouts.

As automation picks up, McDonald's may even add more back-of-house staff, to keep up with the efficiencies introduced to the front.

Questionmarktarius posted...

donkeyjack posted...

Even McDonalds are letting people go lol.

Are they really?
Instead of being woefully understaffed for the lunch rush, now they can devote 'front' employees to the drivethru instead, while most anyone inside uses the touchscreens and can be serviced by the one cashier they seemed to only ever have anyway.

Same with those self-checkouts at walmart. Instead of having three lanes open out of forty, now they have a regular checkout lane, the "smokes" lane, and one person hovering over 4-6 self-checkouts.

As automation picks up, McDonald's may even add more back-of-house staff, to keep up with the efficiencies introduced to the front.

This is why you need to have a skill in something useful (healthcare, food industry, technology) or start your own fuckin business. Nah, we need to raise minimum wages.
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donkeyjack posted...

"baller shot caller" lifestyle?

no one is calling for this and you're falling for this tired fallacy.

Just a wage that provides enough to where taxpayers such as myself do not have to subsidize what their company won't.
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donkeyjack posted...

This is why you need to have a skill in something useful (healthcare, food industry, technology) or start your own fuckin business. Nah, we need to raise minimum wages.

The actual "losers" are going to be the very people a minimum wage increase is intended to help.

While the aggregate number of employees isn't significantly affected, when McDonalds has to pay $15 to a frycook or cashier, you better damn well believe they'll only keep the best ones available. Turnover will be pretty significant for a bit, then essentially collapse.

The people who could only get work at McDonalds, for various reasons, aren't going to be able to get work anywhere.

Just to clear something up, they don't let people go when installing self checkouts. They train one of their existing staff on the self checkouts and the other staff member just gets their regular hours.

benefits of self checkouts outweigh the negatives. Less congestion on the main registers, faster service and overall happier employees. Not to say it solves all problems, it doesn't and shouldn't expect to, but it gives a sense of trust to the person/people trained on said machines, making them feel happier overall and something new to put on a resume.

Also Purdue had conducted a study revealing that all McDonalds has to do is raise the price of each item by 17 cents to double employee wages.

This increase would not hurt the profit line either. A 51 cent increase for a value meal is nothing.
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How did humans live and survive before money?

Weird that it's required that we "need money to survive" all of a sudden.

Look at like birds and shit, they don't make any money and are doin' just fine. What makes you think you're better than a bird? Check your fuckin' homo-sapien privilege.

Villain posted...

This increase would not hurt the profit line either. A 51 cent increase for a value meal is nothing.

I worked at a handful of restaurants ranging from fast food to five star training under well-established chefs.

You'd be surprised how many people will hassle for saving as little as three cents. Don't even get me started on coupon cutters

It's an extreme, yeah, but 51 cents is a lot of money when it comes to buying mcdonalds.

^ mcdonalds specifically has been losing market share since they've had to abandon their true dollar menu and moved to a variably priced value menu

that is why they keep trying to introduce new items like fancy quarter pounders and chicken tendies. because they are being beaten by BK on price (e.g., their nuggets) and no one eats at mcdonalds except cuz its cheap
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Balrog0 posted...

no one eats at mcdonalds except cuz its cheap

Forgetting this has been killing McDonalds for decades now.
Crappy alleged food is acceptable, if it's cheap.
No amount of Angus Deluxe or 'fresh' quarter-pounders are going to save the business, when someone can go somewhere much better for the same price or slightly more, or get roughly the same level of mediocrity for less.

Start selling a burger/fries/soda for $2. Instant turnaround.

Majin_Buuhan posted...

SweetieBelle462 posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

The only real issue with this is that if you can earn a livable wage flipper burgers, what makes people want to go out and get the better, but harder jobs?

Better than just a "livable" wage.

Kolibri X posted...

High school tier jobs are meant to be temporary. Get roommates or get a real job.

So the jobs are necessary, but the people who do them deserve poverty?

People like you frame this issue incorrectly.

When you work a minimum wage job, even if it is full time, you are doing the least critical work for the company.

You will be compensated accordingly. If it doesn't combat your needs, like for some reason you would have kids, then you meet somebody halfway. The solution is to do things like get roommates and take public transit.

???

no burger flippers, cashiers, or custodians and the company goes under.

how is that not critical?

Because there's absolutely no skill required, a robot can literally do those jobs. These jobs see the highest turn over rates because the workers that do then are so replaceable.
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SweetieBelle462 posted...

Majin_Buuhan posted...

SweetieBelle462 posted...

The23rdMagus posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

The only real issue with this is that if you can earn a livable wage flipper burgers, what makes people want to go out and get the better, but harder jobs?

Better than just a "livable" wage.

Kolibri X posted...

High school tier jobs are meant to be temporary. Get roommates or get a real job.

So the jobs are necessary, but the people who do them deserve poverty?

People like you frame this issue incorrectly.

When you work a minimum wage job, even if it is full time, you are doing the least critical work for the company.

You will be compensated accordingly. If it doesn't combat your needs, like for some reason you would have kids, then you meet somebody halfway. The solution is to do things like get roommates and take public transit.

???

no burger flippers, cashiers, or custodians and the company goes under.

how is that not critical?

Because there's absolutely no skill required, a robot can literally do those jobs. These jobs see the highest turn over rates because the workers that do then are so replaceable.

If you can be trained to do your job in less than an hour, that's about how long it takes to replace you.

pegusus123456 posted...

F1areaGaman posted...

But two adults with minimum wage jobs shouldn't be trying to....live any kind of extravagant lifestyle...nononon.

You're legitimately saying that a place to live, a car to get to work, and food on the table is an extravagant lifestyle?

SpinKirby posted...

This is why we don't play Dota 2 together, Flare.

I thot it cuz my mmr is too high. I'm here in the system dealing with minimum wage workers. Whats your evidence?
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Sativa_Rose posted...

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Questionmarktarius posted...

We could confiscate all the wealth in the world, and evenly redistribute it to everyone (approximately $50000 each). I guarantee you we'd be right back to severe wealth inequity within a decade, if not much sooner.

Well, yeah. $50000 doesn't last forever, it's incomes that need to change.

If you redistributed incomes instead, you'd be getting way less than $50k a year.

Yeah and if you got given 50k, you'd still be getting way less than 50k a year
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Kolibri X posted...

High school tier jobs are meant to be temporary. Get roommates or get a real job.

b-b-but McDonalds is the only thing hiring D:
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JustMyOpinion posted...

Villain posted...

Also Purdue had conducted a study revealing that all McDonalds has to do is raise the price of each item by 17 cents to double employee wages.

This increase would not hurt the profit line either. A 51 cent increase for a value meal is nothing.

Because that's exactly how price elasticities and price thresholds work. Don't even look at what your peers are doing, just raise price in the hopes of a lot of risk and zero reward. This idea is terrible on several levels.

Slowly implement it over a couple of years
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JustMyOpinion posted...

Because that's exactly how price elasticities and price thresholds work. Don't even look at what your peers are doing, just raise price in the hopes of a lot of risk and zero reward. This idea is terrible on several levels.

Let's raise wages to one million dollars an hour, raise prices to be like 200k per burger or something, and then drop minimum wage back down to whatever it is after everyone has worked an hour.

This way, everything will be expensive for that hour but then back to normal right after. Same with money, everyone will have a million dollars after working that hour and will be set for life.

Problem solved, it's basically the purge but minimum wage.

MedzXVIII posted...

you can live off minimum wage if you stop going to starbucks

True, start making sandwiches instead of that $15 avacado diarrhea spread toast.

Rika_Furude posted...

explain how someone pays for the following in america on minimum wage

Shelter, clothing, food, water, transportation, electricity, internet, cheap hobby/entertainment

By the cheap brands, use public transport, get roommates.
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Bacon_Pancakes posted...

JustMyOpinion posted...

Because that's exactly how price elasticities and price thresholds work. Don't even look at what your peers are doing, just raise price in the hopes of a lot of risk and zero reward. This idea is terrible on several levels.

Let's raise wages to one million dollars an hour, raise prices to be like 200k per burger or something, and then drop minimum wage back down to whatever it is after everyone has worked an hour.

This way, everything will be expensive for that hour but then back to normal right after. Same with money, everyone will have a million dollars after working that hour and will be set for life.

Problem solved, it's basically the purge but minimum wage.

Meanwhile, in Venezuela...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/venezuelas-currency-hyper-inflation-oil-crisis-devalued-shop-keepers-weigh-notes-a7443596.html

You're also failing to consider reduced turn over and training hour reduction which would also save the companies money
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Rika_Furude posted...

darkjedilink posted...

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

The only real issue with this is that if you can earn a livable wage flipper burgers, what makes people want to go out and get the better, but harder jobs?

why does livable = wealthy in your eyes

you really think everyone would be satisfied living in a 1 bdrm townhouse in a dilapidated neighborhood for the rest of their lives?

That hasn't been the definition of 'livable' for quite some time.

Every time people want to show how hard it is to live on a minimum wage job, they point to a 2-bedroom apartment, adding in child care, internet, and cable.

childcare and cable i agree with, but whats wrong with considering the internet a necessity? its a primary form of communication, and required for many things in life (such as applying for jobs at larger companies)

Go to the library for the internet.
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SweetieBelle462 posted...

Go to the library for the internet.

are they open 24/7?

Found another outed out of touch individual here
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Villain posted...

SweetieBelle462 posted...

Go to the library for the internet.

are they open 24/7?

Found another outed out of touch individual here

Not to mention many libraries have time limits on internet use
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Villain posted...

Villain posted...

SweetieBelle462 posted...

Go to the library for the internet.

are they open 24/7?

Found another outed out of touch individual here

Not to mention many libraries have time limits on internet use

Starbucks allows loitering now.

I think the problem with having a "livable minimum wage" is that everyone is always trying to get ahead. My friend for example gets paid 10/hr and $5/hr cash for a total of ~15/hr which in turn ends up being somewhere around $2500/month cuz he works a crap ton of hours. Since he's making this money, he doesn't take the extra money he has and uses it or invests it because he just wants to get ahead and make more money and his cash cow is his job, so all his money goes and sits in the fucking bank, as a result he helps no one but himself and maybe a couple of his friends. This is a huge problem, he doesn't travel cuz he's working all the time, he doesn't get time to use the money cuz he's working all the time so he's no different than a guy on welfare except instead of fucking over the tax payers he fucks over his employers when he has so much money saved up he can afford to quit and game for a month of two. This is how most people are, they have no clue wtf to do with their money, in the end it's better to live pay check to pay check than to accumulate wealth by trading hours of your day for $$$ cuz you can never enjoy it unless you get a vacation from your job and since eveeryone is trying to get the advantage over the other it's a stupid vicious cycle we have that we can't find a permanent solution for. It's kind of like how they say it in in the gym, if you want to get bigger and more muscular someone else has to get smaller and pudgier, otherwise everyone would be jacked and that's not the case seeing as ronnie coleman is in a wheelchair now since retiring.

This plan will never work, at least on a federal level. The disparity in the cost of living around the country makes it impossible. Having to pay minimum wage employees what might only be a "living wage" in somewhere like San Francisco would bankrupt most businesses in the rural Midwest or south.
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SideshowBob311 posted...

This plan will never work, at least on a federal level. The disparity in the cost of living around the country makes it impossible.

So... do it locally.

TruthBringer posted...

I think the problem with having a "livable minimum wage" is that everyone is always trying to get ahead. My friend for example gets paid 10/hr and $5/hr cash for a total of ~15/hr which in turn ends up being somewhere around $2500/month cuz he works a crap ton of hours. Since he's making this money, he doesn't take the extra money he has and uses it or invests it because he just wants to get ahead and make more money and his cash cow is his job, so all his money goes and sits in the fucking bank, as a result he helps no one but himself and maybe a couple of his friends. This is a huge problem, he doesn't travel cuz he's working all the time, he doesn't get time to use the money cuz he's working all the time so he's no different than a guy on welfare except instead of fucking over the tax payers he fucks over his employers when he has so much money saved up he can afford to quit and game for a month of two. This is how most people are, they have no clue wtf to do with their money, in the end it's better to live pay check to pay check than to accumulate wealth by trading hours of your day for $$$ cuz you can never enjoy it unless you get a vacation from your job and since eveeryone is trying to get the advantage over the other it's a stupid vicious cycle we have that we can't find a permanent solution for. It's kind of like how they say it in in the gym, if you want to get bigger and more muscular someone else has to get smaller and pudgier, otherwise everyone would be jacked and that's not the case seeing as ronnie coleman is in a wheelchair now since retiring.

The reason I keep money in the bank is for just in case situations.

Heaven forbid I get injured and have to pay a shitload of money (even WITH insurance). Or what if my car craps out and I need to get a new one? Stuff like that.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Villain posted...

Villain posted...

SweetieBelle462 posted...

Go to the library for the internet.

are they open 24/7?

Found another outed out of touch individual here

Not to mention many libraries have time limits on internet use

Starbucks allows loitering now.

But those smartphones are an unnecessary luxury they better not even consider!
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TruthBringer posted...

I think the problem with having a "livable minimum wage" is that everyone is always trying to get ahead. My friend for example gets paid 10/hr and $5/hr cash for a total of ~15/hr which in turn ends up being somewhere around $2500/month cuz he works a crap ton of hours. Since he's making this money, he doesn't take the extra money he has and uses it or invests it because he just wants to get ahead and make more money and his cash cow is his job, so all his money goes and sits in the fucking bank, as a result he helps no one but himself and maybe a couple of his friends. This is a huge problem, he doesn't travel cuz he's working all the time, he doesn't get time to use the money cuz he's working all the time so he's no different than a guy on welfare except instead of fucking over the tax payers he fucks over his employers when he has so much money saved up he can afford to quit and game for a month of two. This is how most people are, they have no clue wtf to do with their money, in the end it's better to live pay check to pay check than to accumulate wealth by trading hours of your day for $$$ cuz you can never enjoy it unless you get a vacation from your job and since eveeryone is trying to get the advantage over the other it's a stupid vicious cycle we have that we can't find a permanent solution for. It's kind of like how they say it in in the gym, if you want to get bigger and more muscular someone else has to get smaller and pudgier, otherwise everyone would be jacked and that's not the case seeing as ronnie coleman is in a wheelchair now since retiring.

???
Theres absolutely nothing wrong with saving money. Whats hurting society is the 1% hoarding all the money, not the 99% attempting to save for a rainy day. Yet people like you complain when they arent out there spending spending spending despite not even earning a livable wage because you dont want to give them a pay rise.
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Ideally you're supposed to have a savings which can cover all expenses for 6 months
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dolomedes posted...

Villain posted...

Ideally you're supposed to have a savings which can cover all expenses for 6 months

yikes

To cover all expenses if you lose your job.
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Villain posted...

dolomedes posted...

Villain posted...

Ideally you're supposed to have a savings which can cover all expenses for 6 months

yikes

To cover all expenses if you lose your job.

Agreed.
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Alternative Cigarettes.
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