Board 8 > Survivor/BB/TAR Summer Topic 1 - A Reality Clash

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I'm a few minutes behind but yeah I know what's happening lol.

Rachel really fucking looks like early-career Famke Jansen imo. Just popped in to say that lol.
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I actually teared up. Not because I especially liked or will miss Rachel but because that was a legitimate episode. I don't know if she has a diagnosed anxiety disorder but that had all the signs.
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I dont think l6 is awful for blindsiding her, but angelas goodbye message was uncalled for
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I dont think it was as bad as a full anxiety attack but yeah she was in shock and couldnt make sense of what happened. A true blindside
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I dont think x but y
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That was crazy and Im here for it.
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She was my preseason winner pick. There goes bracket
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I usually am not that interested in post game interviews but kaitlyn and rachel are both making me rethink that
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Damnit I thought Haleigh would win but feared angela
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God DAMMIT.
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Dammit
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Consensus in the topic. This is new.
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GTM posted...

Consensus in the topic. This is new.

Angela fuuu ucking sucks.
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Oh yay. A new twist that gives Brett more chances to give boring confessionals about being a hacker. Wonderful.
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This is a legit good season but holy hell Brett and Angela are weighing it down and are going to continue to do so.
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Underleveled posted...

This is a legit good season but holy hell Brett and Angela are weighing it down and are going to continue to do so.

Yeah, L6 as a whole sucks, and it's made worse because they keep evicting their only interesting members when put on the block against Brett. Rockstar winning would've been SO much better for blowing up Tyler's game.
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It's a great season and it's so weird saying that despite the side I hate blindsiding the side I like more 4 out of the 5 weeks and they're not catching on.
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GTM posted...

Consensus in the topic. This is new.

i'm happy Angela won. Rockstar is my least favorite in the house and has been all season. i also don't particularly like anyone Rockstar's aligned with, though they're all decent at least.

edit: actually Scottie kinda sucks too
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Inviso posted...

Underleveled posted...

This is a legit good season but holy hell Brett and Angela are weighing it down and are going to continue to do so.

Yeah, L6 as a whole sucks, and it's made worse because they keep evicting their only interesting members when put on the block against Brett. Rockstar winning would've been SO much better for blowing up Tyler's game.

I dont miss Winston and I won't miss Rachel, but yeah, when that comp was 2-1 and Rockstar and Hayley split, I was hoping Angela was wrong, but the split meant a 2nd chance. As soon as I saw the tiebreak answers, I was like "fuck......" I'm not really a fan of Rockstar, but fuck level 6. I wanted that hat trick this week.

Only consolation is Julie confirming the start of the jury.
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If there's one thing to take note of, it's that a good season doesn't depend on the HoH each week. Angela winning is probably the better scenario as it'll cause Bayleigh's power app drama to arise, alongside the "girls alliance" to be truly revealed for the shambled state it's in. If Bay uses her app, the shit will hit the fan. Lotta scrambling. I imagine Angela is going to target her so it's probably best she does use it.

Likewise L6 is down to 4 people now, compared to "The Hive" which has 5. Then you get Sam who's basically following her gut, and JC who is entirely floating, intending to have the power swing from side to side. If The Hive lose a member it's 4-2-4, which is a fun dynamic. I'd kinda prefer that too.

Either way, I'm grabbing my popcorn.
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Is this the last week Bayleigh can user her power? If so, Angela winning HoH is fine I suppose, but if not, I would have preferred Haleigh/Faysal/Rockstar to win and postpone Bayleigh showing her cards one extra week.

Also, Sam and JC have voted or conspired with L6 every week so far. They are just as much a part of L6 as Scottie is to FOUTTE.
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Peridiam posted...

If there's one thing to take note of, it's that a good season doesn't depend on the HoH each week. Angela winning is probably the better scenario as it'll cause Bayleigh's power app drama to arise, alongside the "girls alliance" to be truly revealed for the shambled state it's in. If Bay uses her app, the shit will hit the fan. Lotta scrambling. I imagine Angela is going to target her so it's probably best she does use it.

Likewise L6 is down to 4 people now, compared to "The Hive" which has 5. Then you get Sam who's basically following her gut, and JC who is entirely floating, intending to have the power swing from side to side. If The Hive lose a member it's 4-2-4, which is a fun dynamic. I'd kinda prefer that too.

Either way, I'm grabbing my popcorn.

The problem is that, for all intents and purposes, L4 has, by virtue of having JC and Sam vote with them EVERY week, held a majority all season long, and it's like every time Foutte actually comes close to realistically evening the numbers, it swings back. I just want the sides to actually be even to the point where L4 can't just control the vote even when they have two members on the block.
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Also even I wasn't rooting for Angela and I can't stand Rockstar. When it came down to just those two I was like "of course it does".

The power/pendulum swinging to the other side is what BB is all about when it's at its best, just as this season has been. In my opinion, this will be needed as we head into the jury phase.

Obviously L6 has been "in control" of the votes each week, largely because FOUTTE/Hive are terrible at the game, but they've still managed to get 3 people against them out of the 5 evictions thus far. That's pretty amazing.

I'm really curious if Bay will use her app. I think she has to after Brett's speech. Either that or she'll get completely snowed somehow (FOUTTE will find a way) and think she's safe, then get backdoored.
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Underleveled posted...

Is this the last week Bayleigh can user her power? If so, Angela winning HoH is fine I suppose, but if not, I would have preferred Haleigh/Faysal/Rockstar to win and postpone Bayleigh showing her cards one extra week.

Also, Sam and JC have voted or conspired with L6 every week so far. They are just as much a part of L6 as Scottie is to FOUTTE.

They aren't. Sam is only with the people she likes most, which happen to be 1) Tyler 2) Rockstar and 3) Brett. She can definitely be swung another way and is not conspiring with L6.

JC is a floater. He's stated his intentions on the live feeds are to cripple both sides, and that's what he's doing. He's working with L6 unintentionally, because they've controlled the votes, but it's also feeding into his plan to play the middle. He's worked with them to get out Winston/Rachel because it appeases L6/that side of the house for the short term, which is what he wants.
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The power dynamics are very weird this season. By all rights, L6 should be considered the power alliance, but they held only one of the first five HoHes and lost two members, and yet they still ultimately get their way every week.
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Inviso posted...

Peridiam posted...

If there's one thing to take note of, it's that a good season doesn't depend on the HoH each week. Angela winning is probably the better scenario as it'll cause Bayleigh's power app drama to arise, alongside the "girls alliance" to be truly revealed for the shambled state it's in. If Bay uses her app, the shit will hit the fan. Lotta scrambling. I imagine Angela is going to target her so it's probably best she does use it.

Likewise L6 is down to 4 people now, compared to "The Hive" which has 5. Then you get Sam who's basically following her gut, and JC who is entirely floating, intending to have the power swing from side to side. If The Hive lose a member it's 4-2-4, which is a fun dynamic. I'd kinda prefer that too.

Either way, I'm grabbing my popcorn.

The problem is that, for all intents and purposes, L4 has, by virtue of having JC and Sam vote with them EVERY week, held a majority all season long, and it's like every time Foutte actually comes close to realistically evening the numbers, it swings back. I just want the sides to actually be even to the point where L4 can't just control the vote even when they have two members on the block.

The numbers aren't even though? It's 4-2-5.

I'm not sure how much you guys know from the feeds but L6 is in the minority. Sam/JC are not with L6. Sam is not with Angela/Kaycee. JC is not with Angela/Kaycee/Brett. Sam/JC ARE with Tyler, which is why Sam has voted the way she has. JC is just floating like any decent floater does. He'll turn on L6 the moment it's necessary. JC is also strongly with Fessy.
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My rankings for the season up through the pre-jury...

Legit Stars
Bayleigh
Faysal
Swaggy C

Fun or interesting characters
Haleigh
Kaitlyn
JC
Rockstar

Entertaining due to circumstances
Tyler
Rachel

Meh
Scottie
Kaycee
Steve

Have managed to avoid outright hatred
Winston
Sam

Fuck you
Angela
Brett
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Peridiam posted...

Inviso posted...

Peridiam posted...

If there's one thing to take note of, it's that a good season doesn't depend on the HoH each week. Angela winning is probably the better scenario as it'll cause Bayleigh's power app drama to arise, alongside the "girls alliance" to be truly revealed for the shambled state it's in. If Bay uses her app, the shit will hit the fan. Lotta scrambling. I imagine Angela is going to target her so it's probably best she does use it.

Likewise L6 is down to 4 people now, compared to "The Hive" which has 5. Then you get Sam who's basically following her gut, and JC who is entirely floating, intending to have the power swing from side to side. If The Hive lose a member it's 4-2-4, which is a fun dynamic. I'd kinda prefer that too.

Either way, I'm grabbing my popcorn.

The problem is that, for all intents and purposes, L4 has, by virtue of having JC and Sam vote with them EVERY week, held a majority all season long, and it's like every time Foutte actually comes close to realistically evening the numbers, it swings back. I just want the sides to actually be even to the point where L4 can't just control the vote even when they have two members on the block.

The numbers aren't even though? It's 4-2-5.

I'm not sure how much you guys know from the feeds but L6 is in the minority. Sam/JC are not with L6. Sam is not with Angela/Kaycee. JC is not with Angela/Kaycee/Brett. Sam/JC ARE with Tyler, which is why Sam has voted the way she has. JC is just floating like any decent floater does. He'll turn on L6 the moment it's necessary. JC is also strongly with Fessy.

I'm aware that Sam/JC are with nominally not with L4. They're with Tyler, but TYLER is 100% strong with L4, which means Sam/JC are with L4 for all intents and purposes. The problem is that L4 has yet to be in a position where they don't control the week. Yes, they've lost Rachel and Winston, but in both instances, they controlled which of their alliance went home, against the wishes of the other side. As a result, we have people like Kaycee/Angela/Brett who can afford to sit back and be boring, outside of Brett doing his tryhard eviction speeches, because they're never faced a situation where they had to so much as interact with the other side of the house.
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Basically if Tyler gets evicted a lot of things will fall apart. He's the best player this season bar none and is holding a lot of cards (social bonds) at the moment.

That said he's also not suffocating the season in spite of this, which is why I'm cool with him. Unlike Derrick or Paul who took control and squeezed the enjoyment out, the rest of the cast are still all over the place. It might be because Tyler isn't a leader-type and doesn't intend to take control or 'lead his minions'.
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I think the other thing is that, for me, Foutte is dysfunctional. Despite consistently getting blindsided, there are regular accusations of Scottie flipping, of Haleigh flipping, of multiple people flipping. L4 just stays calm and continues working together, so their side feels much stronger despite the numbers being far more even.
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I was actually just thinking about how in terms of control over the house, Tyler is pretty comparable to Paul, especially when you consider Tyler is doing this on his first go and Paul could only pull it off as the lone returnee in a house of complete sheep. But in terms of the edit Paul was SO incredibly overbearing that it was impossible to enjoy him or the season, while Tyler isn't doing that.
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Inviso posted...

Peridiam posted...

Inviso posted...

Peridiam posted...

If there's one thing to take note of, it's that a good season doesn't depend on the HoH each week. Angela winning is probably the better scenario as it'll cause Bayleigh's power app drama to arise, alongside the "girls alliance" to be truly revealed for the shambled state it's in. If Bay uses her app, the shit will hit the fan. Lotta scrambling. I imagine Angela is going to target her so it's probably best she does use it.

Likewise L6 is down to 4 people now, compared to "The Hive" which has 5. Then you get Sam who's basically following her gut, and JC who is entirely floating, intending to have the power swing from side to side. If The Hive lose a member it's 4-2-4, which is a fun dynamic. I'd kinda prefer that too.

Either way, I'm grabbing my popcorn.

The problem is that, for all intents and purposes, L4 has, by virtue of having JC and Sam vote with them EVERY week, held a majority all season long, and it's like every time Foutte actually comes close to realistically evening the numbers, it swings back. I just want the sides to actually be even to the point where L4 can't just control the vote even when they have two members on the block.

The numbers aren't even though? It's 4-2-5.

I'm not sure how much you guys know from the feeds but L6 is in the minority. Sam/JC are not with L6. Sam is not with Angela/Kaycee. JC is not with Angela/Kaycee/Brett. Sam/JC ARE with Tyler, which is why Sam has voted the way she has. JC is just floating like any decent floater does. He'll turn on L6 the moment it's necessary. JC is also strongly with Fessy.

I'm aware that Sam/JC are with nominally not with L4. They're with Tyler, but TYLER is 100% strong with L4, which means Sam/JC are with L4 for all intents and purposes. The problem is that L4 has yet to be in a position where they don't control the week. Yes, they've lost Rachel and Winston, but in both instances, they controlled which of their alliance went home, against the wishes of the other side. As a result, we have people like Kaycee/Angela/Brett who can afford to sit back and be boring, outside of Brett doing his tryhard eviction speeches, because they're never faced a situation where they had to so much as interact with the other side of the house.

Angela is going to be a villain moving forward -- why I didn't desire to pick her after week 1. She's had that cut throat mentality hidden all along and now it's coming out. She'll be the 'Ice Queen' archetype, and I'm hoping she gets more time to shine this week. She's explicitly stated she wanted to lay low the first half of the game, which she's done really well. I could see her coming out of her shell from here on out. I think production will want her to as well.

I know Brett isn't your cup of tea and drives you up the wall but he's been a huge catalyst for the first act of the season and I'm glad he's in the game and still kicking. I certainly hope he doesn't win, he's replacement tier as far as gameplay goes, but his triple-C demeanor in the face of chaos and pressure is worth him being around/on the block again and again. He's a worthy opponent.

JC will eventually turn, Sam will eventually do something different. Tyler doesn't control her despite the edit not giving her much agency. Or so I'm predicting anyway. You want to win the battle and the war, I get it. We all want that (in whatever way it means to us). But BB doesn't work that way even at its best. Consider this a "down" week, like when Michelle won HoH in BB10, or any time the Nerd Herd won at all. It happens, and it sucks at face value, but it might just be for the better in the end. Or not! We'll see.
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man i would have loved to see peridiam insight throughout bbcan6
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Tyler already can't always control JC. He tried to get him on board with keeping Kaitlyn but he was having none of it, and it was then L6 that bent to him because they figured it was okay to do what someone else wants in the spirit of keeping them as an ally going forward.
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Peridiam posted...

Sam will eventually do something different. Tyler doesn't control her despite the edit not giving her much agency. Or so I'm predicting anyway.

nah I've seen enough of Sam on the feeds to know that she isn't going to change, she's completely worthless.
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You think Sam will ride Tyler's coattails as far as he allows her?
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100%

I dont even think she knows what game she's playing
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If the live feeds are anything to go off of tonight, she's high-key the mastermind of the hacking twist.
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i hope that makes it onto the show im dead after that
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Angela is like low key one of the worst people to play BB lol
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CoolCly posted...

man i would have loved to see peridiam insight throughout bbcan6

I think Peridiam is sick of hearing this :p
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Peridiam posted...

If there's one thing to take note of, it's that a good season doesn't depend on the HoH each week. Angela winning is probably the better scenario as it'll cause Bayleigh's power app drama to arise, alongside the "girls alliance" to be truly revealed for the shambled state it's in. If Bay uses her app, the shit will hit the fan. Lotta scrambling. I imagine Angela is going to target her so it's probably best she does use it.

Even if Bayleigh uses the power app, that's three people on the L6 side in the veto. I don't feel like there's too much drama there, L6 has a great chance to win the veto, they take someone down and someone on the foutte side gets voted out anyways.
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GTM posted...

Peridiam posted...

If there's one thing to take note of, it's that a good season doesn't depend on the HoH each week. Angela winning is probably the better scenario as it'll cause Bayleigh's power app drama to arise, alongside the "girls alliance" to be truly revealed for the shambled state it's in. If Bay uses her app, the shit will hit the fan. Lotta scrambling. I imagine Angela is going to target her so it's probably best she does use it.

Even if Bayleigh uses the power app, that's three people on the L6 side in the veto. I don't feel like there's too much drama there, L6 has a great chance to win the veto, they take someone down and someone on the foutte side gets voted out anyways.

It's FOUTTE. There's always drama.

Also after the live feeds last night I don't see her using her power.
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I need to binge BB20, don't I? For some reason (it's not the season, it's me), I haven't been able to get into it.

What Angela did to Rachel was horrible. Rachel was nothing but honest to someone she thought was her friend, but for Angela to not only betray her but give such a vindictive goodbye message... what a bitch. Rachel isn't even on the jury, so she should have told Rachel it was going to happen an hour or three before the eviction and, in her goodbye message, been like "We're going to be friends for life, but in Big Brother, I can't have a wild card. I am so sorry I had to do this, but when you reacted how you did, it endangered my game. Outside of this house, I care about you. But in it... I did what I had to, and I hope you can forgive me." Rachel would have understood. Now... Rachel will probably give Angela the cold shoulder on finale night. As she should. Angela isn't winning. Nobody's going to trust her word after that.

I feel for Rachel. I've been in her shoes and had overreactions to similar things - as you guys have seen - so I sympathize. She clearly has some sort of emotional affectivity despite being a really nice girl and that makes Angela's true colors emerging even tougher. I don't blame her for cursing on stage. I'd do the same tbh. Game-wise I'd compare Rachel to Dominique last year - played a damn good game until getting nominated and... it all fell apart in an instant. Rachel wasn't on anyone's radar, she came up with the idea to manipulate someone on FOUTTE to "cast a sympathy vote for Sam" and have Level 6 piggyback off it, had in-roads with FOUTTE, and Bayleigh made the mistake of saying "I can has powerz." in exchange for Rachel agreeing to be a pawn. All good signs, but she fell apart emotionally and that did it for her.

...but yeah I need to catch up as opposed to just reading stuff, don't I?
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Rachel played really bad this week. She actually turned on Level 6 before any of them turned on her. L6 spent half the week attempting to save her, Tyler was creating a 'cute' little scheme to get Scottie up, basically anyone once he used the veto.

But then Rachel talked with Bayleigh and became convinced Tyler was against L6 and was trying to get Rachel/Angela out. Rachel did speak to Angela in private but Angela realized rather quickly it didn't add up in accordance to what Tyler was saying. Rachel spent the better part of Saturday burning her L6 bridge all because she believed Bay over her own alliance.

And for whatever reason she never spoke to Tyler until Sunday night. All she had to do was talk to Tyler and get on the same page. Instead she avoided him and schemed behind his back thinking he was against her, despite nobody else from L6 buying into it. L6 was firmly on her side until she crashed and burned. Angela isn't a fantastic player either, mind you, but the moment Rachel turned on L6 (believing in good faith it was the logical move) did Angela think Rachel was beyond saving. There was only so much time until the veto ceremony Monday morning, and because Rachel preferred to hide in the shadows, not clearing the air with Tyler for so long, instead all of L6 thought she was working against them.

It was horrid gameplay from Rachel, with fairly bad gameplay from Angela.

After Rachel/Tyler got on the same page Sunday night, Rachel suddenly saw the light and realized how dumb she was for scheming against Tyler all because of Bayleigh (who misinterpreted what Tyler said, Bay wasn't really lying to Rachel afaik). Despite Rachel finally realigning with L6, by then L6 had decided it was too difficult to save both Rachel & Brett, and there wasn't enough time to really sell getting anyone else on the block - if Tyler veto'd anyone then Angela was going up.

It was basically: lose Angela/Brett, two steady, composed players on the same page, or Rachel, who was tailspinning all because she chose to trust Bay over her own alliance on a whim.

Angela was needlessly vindictive though, but I think she's kinda distant as a person anyway, she's not very emotional, and she was kinda just spent dealing with Rachel at that point. For whatever reason Rachel was always very anxious in the house, she never held the power in any relationship with her allies. She always came across as slightly unsettled, nervous, awkward.

I'm curious to see if Angela continues this cold demeanor in her GBM's or was simply more scathing because it was pre-jury and she felt justified in her reasoning based on the events outlined above.
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Also they considered telling Rachel/Bay ahead of time but decided it was better gameplay to keep them in the dark. They were 100% sold on getting Rachel out once the noms were locked, they didn't want to give either Rachel/Bay time to react strategically. Also not telling Bay meant chaos would ensue after the vote, nobody from FOUTTE/Hive would know who to trust, and it would give L6 more room to maneuver going forward.
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Peridiams summary is accurate - Rachel believed Bayleigh that Tyler was working against her and tried to flip Angela over it. She was freaking out because she believed Tyler was betraying her and started acting very erratically. She realized she was wrong later in the week, but she'd already left a trail of paranoid crying and hints of betrayal.

At that point, Angela and Kaycee had a choice - do we want to keep Rachel, who we like and have worked really closely with, but at the very first sign of pressure and being targeted began doubting her alliance and freaking out, or Brett, who has been on the block twice and is the very definition of Cool Calm and Collected, and executes misdirection speeches brilliantly with a straight face? And who all of FOUTTE desperately wants to evict and will target before us?

Not to mention, it was extremely bad gameplay of Rachel to accept going on the block as a pawn calmly and THEN start freaking out to Bayleigh about it after the noms. If she had freaked out before the noms, Bayleigh woulda backed off and put Scottie up. Instead she got herself put up and then when it was too late made things more erratic and difficult to control. She really evicted herself this week.

The only bit of misplay of Angela's is that she believes Rachel was lying to her, when Rachel was just manipulated and panicking. Either way, the read of "she may be close to me, but I cant depend on her when things are serious" seems pretty on point. They flipped on her seemingly on drop of a hat, but it does make sense.
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If you're Angela, you tell Rachel the last second with simply "I'm sorry." You don't tell Bayleigh at all. What Angela did shows that she is indeed the "ice queen" and that nobody should bother forming friendships with her because they're not genuine. If she's willing to slit the throat of who seemed to be her best friend in the house and have zero emotional reaction to it, who can trust her?
https://imgur.com/hZwOh4v

It has nothing to do with having friendships outside the house. She's not there to make friends. But if she wants the money, she needs to show some semblance of loyalty, else nobody's going to trust her. Wouldn't surprise me to see Angela go out soon since this HOH will put a bigger target on her back.
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PlNGAS!
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