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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 3:42:08 PM
#101:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Because you're proud of your ignorance. Failing 7th-grade math is an achievement to you.
Just because you're ok with people getting replaced, the demographics change apparently isn't important to you since CA is net positive.

But hey, some people only care about raw numbers, right?

You didn't care about who came in, and who left?

Who's being affected by the housing crisis.
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 3:43:50 PM
#102:


Bishop9800 posted...
Once again, you're a small group of people who support it. If you know your history, you would know that this has been done before and every time it didn't pass. So what make you think that it will pass now, when majority of people don't want it?
Wow, doesn't that sound just like what Anti-Gay Marriage folks stated in the past.

Yet it changed over time and is now legally recognized by the Supreme Court.
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Broseph_Stalin
07/01/18 3:45:31 PM
#103:


So you were wrong on the demographic argument and now want to start a new one about what type of person is moving in.

Just keep the argument going I guess, doesn't matter if you're right or not.
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 3:45:40 PM
#104:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
Once again, you're a small group of people who support it. If you know your history, you would know that this has been done before and every time it didn't pass. So what make you think that it will pass now, when majority of people don't want it?
Wow, doesn't that sound just like what Anti-Gay Marriage folks stated in the past.

Yet it changed over time and is now legally recognized by the Supreme Court.


I like how you just ignore what I said. So I'll ask you again...... what make you think that it will pass now, when majority of people don't want it now or ever?
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 3:48:21 PM
#105:


Bishop9800 posted...
I like how you just ignore what I said. So I'll ask you again...... what make you think that it will pass now, when majority of people don't want it now or ever?
Are you so sure that it'll be "Forever"?

And when you say the "Majority of folks". Did you talk to the folks who got County Approval in the areas who wanted to secede from CA into it's own states?

Did you talk to the residents who are pushing this along with all the county approval they've gotten?

It's never as simple as that.

We all know that the 3 big cities out number the rural areas on a order of magnitude.

Of course they wouldn't approve.

But what about those who are fighting for their personal freedoms and live oppressed by Sacramento politics?

What loss would there really be if they left?
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Fuparulez
07/01/18 3:55:13 PM
#106:


I do like how the pro California crowd loves to quote GDP and farm production of a state with forty million people but when it comes to people fleeing the oppressive taxes we suddenly switch gears to "Woah there my dude, let's put that in per capita terms!"
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 4:04:31 PM
#107:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
I like how you just ignore what I said. So I'll ask you again...... what make you think that it will pass now, when majority of people don't want it now or ever?
Are you so sure that it'll be "Forever"?

And when you say the "Majority of folks". Did you talk to the folks who got County Approval in the areas who wanted to secede from CA into it's own states?

Did you talk to the residents who are pushing this along with all the county approval they've gotten?

It's never as simple as that.

We all know that the 3 big cities out number the rural areas on a order of magnitude.

Of course they wouldn't approve.

But what about those who are fighting for their personal freedoms and live oppressed by Sacramento politics?

What loss would there really be if they left?


The polls show that more people are against splitting up California. So it doesn't matter what bullshit you're trying to promote, most people are not for it. So, now that we got that out of the way, answer the question you're avoiding........ what make you think that it will pass now, when majority of people don't want it now or ever?
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Funbazooka
07/01/18 4:06:26 PM
#108:


Where would the coastal cities get all their food
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A_Good_Boy
07/01/18 4:07:03 PM
#109:


Funbazooka posted...
Where would the coastal cities get all their food

From California
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 4:09:24 PM
#110:


Bishop9800 posted...
The polls show that more people are against splitting up California. So it doesn't matter what bullshit you're trying to promote, most people are not for it. So, now that we got that out of the way, answer the question you're avoiding........ what make you think that it will pass now, when majority of people don't want it now or ever?
The majority of people who don't want it live in the cities, the ones who want it live in the rural areas.

The population of the Cities out number the rural areas by a order of magnitude.

The City / Rural divide is what keeps them chained together as CA instead of splitting naturally into their own little states.
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 4:12:11 PM
#111:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
The majority of people


And that what counts. The majority. So what you are say, is bullshit.

BTW, do you have the numbers backing up what you are saying?
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 4:15:19 PM
#112:


Bishop9800 posted...
And that what counts. The majority. So what you are say, is bullshit.
States have been formed for lesser reasons, and the people will find a way eventually. Just like Gay Marriage Rights was approved on a Federal level, so will the folks who want to secede along with their supporters.
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 4:18:40 PM
#113:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
And that what counts. The majority. So what you are say, is bullshit.
States have been formed for lesser reasons, and the people will find a way eventually. Just like Gay Marriage Rights was approved on a Federal level, so will the folks who want to secede along with their supporters.


Well, when this goes down in defeat (again)you can use that bullshit as a consession speech.
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 4:23:11 PM
#114:


Bishop9800 posted...
Well, when this goes down in defeat (again)you can use that bullshit as a consession speech.
Do you think the people will end this so easily? Time is very long and people will continue the fight.

Just like Gay Marriage was Federally approved, so will these folks who want their freedom.
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 4:25:52 PM
#115:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
Well, when this goes down in defeat (again)you can use that bullshit as a consession speech.
Do you think the people will end this so easily? Time is very long and people will continue the fight.

Just like Gay Marriage was Federally approved, so will these folks who want their freedom.


Dawg..... "Gay rights" and "Splitting California up" are two TOTALLY different things. If you and those other people want "freedom", then go start another state instead of trying to do something most people don't want.
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 4:30:25 PM
#116:


Bishop9800 posted...
Dawg..... "Gay rights" and "Splitting California up" are two TOTALLY different things. If you and those other people want "freedom", then go start another state instead of trying to do something most people don't want.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics/california-split-up-per-vote/index.html
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article213101129.html

Funny thing is Tim Draper, a SV Billionaire has already gotten the votes needed to get splitting CA into 3 pieces on to the Ballot for the next cycle of voting.

Now for his marketing blitz to take hold.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/13/us/california-three-states-initiative-ballot/index.html
http://abc7.com/politics/proposal-to-split-ca-into-3-states-will-be-on-november-ballot/3595717/
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-split-three-states-20180612-story.html
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 4:37:34 PM
#117:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
Dawg..... "Gay rights" and "Splitting California up" are two TOTALLY different things. If you and those other people want "freedom", then go start another state instead of trying to do something most people don't want.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/17/politics/california-split-up-per-vote/index.html
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article213101129.html

Funny thing is Tim Draper, a SV Billionaire has already gotten the votes needed to get splitting CA into 3 pieces on to the Ballot for the next cycle of voting.

Now for his marketing blitz to take hold.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/13/us/california-three-states-initiative-ballot/index.html
http://abc7.com/politics/proposal-to-split-ca-into-3-states-will-be-on-november-ballot/3595717/
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-split-three-states-20180612-story.html


Once again, that don't mean shit. You fail to understand this. So what he has a huge marketing blitz. It doesn't matter that it's on the ballot. MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT. Yeah, there are people who want it, (mostly rich people) but most people says no. Plus, if somehow it did win, it has to be approved by Congress, and every one of them have to say yes. So it's didn't happen before, and it won't happen again.
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Zikten
07/01/18 4:38:21 PM
#118:


California has no water
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 4:41:00 PM
#119:


Bishop9800 posted...
Once again, that don't mean shit. You fail to understand this. So what he has a huge marketing blitz. It doesn't matter that it's on the ballot. MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT. Yeah, there are people who want it, (mostly rich people) but most people says no. Plus, if somehow it did win, it has to be approved by Congress, and every one of them have to say yes. So it's didn't happen before, and it won't happen again.
If it fails once, he'll re-draw the lines and apply for it again.

He's not the only person wanting it.

And Try & try again.

Just like how nobody thought Trump was going to win.

Just like how nobody thought BREXIT was going to pass.

There are people who want change, and we'll fight for it till the bitter end.

So even things don't change this time, we'll keep on pecking away at it till we get what we want.

You can't stop our will to be free of Sacramento.
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 4:42:21 PM
#120:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
You can't stop our will to be free of Sacramento.


If you want to "be free of Sacramento", then leave California. That simple.
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A_Good_Boy
07/01/18 4:42:35 PM
#121:


Zikten posted...
California has no water

You're behind the times, old man
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 4:46:59 PM
#122:


Bishop9800 posted...
If you want to "be free of Sacramento", then leave California. That simple.
Or we can fight to split the States up into happy little pieces.

Like my plan for 7 states:
https://imgur.com/9VlFtCW
https://imgur.com/f8nprZs

Where the states are politically balanced (Very Important if getting Congressional Approval)
Economically Balanced for the type of economies they want.
Regionally Balanced for the Urban / Rural Life Styles they want to enjoy.
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DuneMan
07/01/18 4:48:54 PM
#123:


The 7 state plan of yours is gerrymandered in favor of conservatives. It packs 'the filthy libruls' into 2 states, leaving 5 states to vote conservatively. That's not balance.
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 4:51:40 PM
#124:


DuneMan posted...
The 7 state plan of yours is gerrymandered in favor of conservatives. It packs 'the filthy libruls' into 2 states, leaving 5 states to vote conservatively. That's not balance.
No, I've done the calculations.

It's 3 Liberal, 3 Conservative, 1 Purple.

This was based on the most recent electoral data split by county and region.
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 4:51:53 PM
#125:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
Or we can fight to split the States up into happy little pieces.

Like my plan for 7 states:
https://imgur.com/9VlFtCW
https://imgur.com/f8nprZs

Where the states are politically balanced (Very Important if getting Congressional Approval)
Economically Balanced for the type of economies they want.
Regionally Balanced for the Urban / Rural Life Styles they want to enjoy.


And it will go down in defeat again. So do this,....... If you want a "New California", go play Fallout NV. Just know that your plan of "7 states" will fail just like you in this topic.
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Broseph_Stalin
07/01/18 4:52:55 PM
#126:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
I've done the calculations.


Uh-oh.
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 4:53:17 PM
#127:


Bishop9800 posted...
And it will go down in defeat again. So do this,....... If you want a "New California", go play Fallout NV. Just know that your plan of "7 states" will fail just like you in this topic.
We will not give up, we will not quit, we will be fighting for change.

Unlike you who are oppressors of our free will.
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TomNook20
07/01/18 4:54:12 PM
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Antifar
07/01/18 4:54:22 PM
#129:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
DuneMan posted...
The 7 state plan of yours is gerrymandered in favor of conservatives. It packs 'the filthy libruls' into 2 states, leaving 5 states to vote conservatively. That's not balance.
No, I've done the calculations.

It's 3 Liberal, 3 Conservative, 1 Purple.

This was based on the most recent electoral data split by county and region.

Turning California into a even balance is GOP gerrymandering
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 4:55:52 PM
#130:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
We will not give up, we will not quit, we will be fighting for change.

Unlike you who are oppressors of our free will.


You're embarassing yourself.
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 4:56:45 PM
#131:


Antifar posted...
Turning California into a even balance is GOP gerrymandering
It's freeing the Rural areas from being oppressed by the Urban areas.

We need the ability to separate the Urban City areas away from the Rural areas.

Governance becomes easier when people aren't stepping on each others toes and have similar issues & concerns to work on.
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 4:57:27 PM
#132:


Bishop9800 posted...
You're embarassing yourself.
I don't give two fucks about your opinion.

I fight for what I believe in, till the very end. I'm stubborn like that.
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DuneMan
07/01/18 4:57:58 PM
#133:


The whole point of gerrymandering for the GOP is to make rural voters have up to 12x times the sway of urban voters. At least at the individual level. Layered on top of that are the packing and cracking techniques that further disenfranchise non-conservative voters at the district level.
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 4:59:01 PM
#134:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
We need the ability to separate the Urban City areas away from the Rural areas.


Ohh, you want to want to be around black people. Gotcha.
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Broseph_Stalin
07/01/18 4:59:30 PM
#135:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
I'm stubborn


you don't say
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 5:00:31 PM
#136:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
You're embarassing yourself.
I don't give two fucks about your opinion.

I fight for what I believe in, till the very end. I'm stubborn like that.


Who gives a fuck about yours? Especially your "7 states" opinion.
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A_Good_Boy
07/01/18 5:00:53 PM
#137:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
Antifar posted...
Turning California into a even balance is GOP gerrymandering
It's freeing the Rural areas from being oppressed by the Urban areas.

We need the ability to separate the Urban City areas away from the Rural areas.

Governance becomes easier when people aren't stepping on each others toes and have similar issues & concerns to work on.

We should do this with all of the other states, tbqh. Let's split our nation up into an even mix of rural and urban counties, and even toss in some purple zones just for variety.
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 5:01:00 PM
#138:


Let me throw this out there...... https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/04/13/45392/six-californias-from-jefferson-to-colorado-the-cal/
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 5:01:30 PM
#139:


Bishop9800 posted...
Ohh, you want to want to be around black people. Gotcha.
How does Black Folk have anything to do with the Urban / Rural divide?
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 5:02:00 PM
#140:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
Ohh, you want to want to be around black people. Gotcha.
How does Black Folk have anything to do with the Urban / Rural divide?


LOL. Really?
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 5:02:06 PM
#141:


Bishop9800 posted...
Who gives a fuck about yours? Especially your "7 states" opinion.
You're not obligated to, that's part of free will.

That doesn't mean you can stop my crusade either.
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 5:02:58 PM
#142:


A_Good_Boy posted...
We should do this with all of the other states, tbqh. Let's split our nation up into an even mix of rural and urban counties, and even toss in some purple zones just for variety.
I'm ok with that.

NYC should be split into it's own state and the rural areas will become "Greater York".
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 5:03:32 PM
#143:


Bishop9800 posted...
LOL. Really?
There are Black Folk on both sides of the Urban / Rural divide.

So it doesn't really matter.
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 5:03:38 PM
#144:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
Bishop9800 posted...
Who gives a fuck about yours? Especially your "7 states" opinion.
You're not obligated to, that's part of free will.

That doesn't mean you can stop my crusade either.


Your "crusade" was stopped before it even got started.
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 5:05:59 PM
#145:


Bishop9800 posted...
Let me throw this out there...... https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/04/13/45392/six-californias-from-jefferson-to-colorado-the-cal/
Yeah, and?

https://www.history.com/topics/gay-marriage

It wasn't a easy or short road as well for them.

They got what they wanted.

No reason why those of us who want to split CA up won't take the long road.

We know we're in a uphill battle.

Doesn't mean we should ever stop.
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DocileOrangeCup
07/01/18 5:07:52 PM
#146:


Ivynn posted...
E32005 posted...
get rekt bread basket. you're only growing corn anyways. shits terrible.


@DocileOrangeCup, you gonna take that?

The fuck E3 I thought we were cool
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A_Good_Boy
07/01/18 5:07:52 PM
#147:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
We should do this with all of the other states, tbqh. Let's split our nation up into an even mix of rural and urban counties, and even toss in some purple zones just for variety.
I'm ok with that.

NYC should be split into it's own state and the rural areas will become "Greater York".

They could become New York 1 and New York A.
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Bishop9800
07/01/18 5:08:26 PM
#148:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
Yeah, and?

https://www.history.com/topics/gay-marriage


You always going back to the gay marriage argument. Once age, there's a huge difference between them. One is about human rights. The other is is no where close to that.
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KamenRiderBlade
07/01/18 5:09:23 PM
#149:


A_Good_Boy posted...
They could become New York 1 and New York A.
"Greater York" & "New York" sounds better
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A_Good_Boy
07/01/18 5:10:17 PM
#150:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
They could become New York 1 and New York A.
"Greater York" & "New York" sounds better

You're just letting your bias show. My naming scheme allows for both to be great.
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