Board 8 > Phoenix Wright Mafia Topic 12: Post-Turnabout Beginnings

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Nanahara715 posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

FD got fucked. His no lynch argument was flawless and had a chance of winning you the game there and then. And nobody bit on it.

Flawless my ass, by not NLing we lynched scum.

Lynching scum > NL. Every. Fucking. Time.

That lynch also basically cleared Arti and Panthera and SHOULD have cleared Donk.

Just because you got lucky on the lynch does not mean it was statistically the right play.

Yes you got me lynched as scum but there was no real conviction on that lynch by half the people on it. It was a shot in the dark for most with several admitting they thought it was a mislynch and still did it anyway

We get zero information from a NL. The information from that day regardless of result would have been important.

Additionally, we don't know what mafia does or doesn't have.

As mentioned, mafia had TWO extra kills, and since they never fired, you don't know what they have back. [because of this, FDs role meta math was weong].

The SM didn't flip as a 1 shot or an eK, so we only knew the Vig was an EK. No reason the SM couldn't have not been an EK and scum was holding one back. You never fucking know, that's the whole goddamned point

You knew there was 2 mafia left and every one was pretty certain there was 1-2 left in the vanillas so there was a high chance of either finding one with the 2 scanners or people getting confirmed if a scanner got NK'ed. We were genuinely worried because a combination existed from a no lynch that wins you the game.

Whereas we weren't worried about losing Colzach and in fact almost did do the SE bus Godfather plan that became the focal point of the final day.

Alakazamtrainer posted...

On a 3v1 situation, isn't No Lynch the only option? Or at least best option?

It can be an option, which is another reason you don't piss away a NL on day 5.
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I don't see how No Lynch helps when there is no living power. Scum doesn't have to shoot if it's bad for them to do so.
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Alakazamtrainer posted...

On a 3v1 situation, isn't No Lynch the only option? Or at least best option?

What does it accomplish?

You are just giving scum an opportunity to analyze and then manipulate as they see fit.

Either scum says "nah, we're good" and doesn't kill anyone, or scum shoots the most accepted town and then....what has town gained?

Alakazamtrainer posted...

On a 3v1 situation, isn't No Lynch the only option? Or at least best option?

No. Scum can choose whether it's better to remove a specific player or just not shoot and let the same situation play out until town gets tired and makes a dumb decision just to end it.
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I get extreme tunnel vision. Once I see someone as strongly scum, I will pick apart everything possible to prove they're scum, it's just why my dumbass brain works. Luckily, I had a 99% scum in my crosshairs. I'm excited for next game, and I hope that I break this habit and not fixate on one person and have more diverse reads. Or, roll scum and coast lol
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

FD got fucked. His no lynch argument was flawless and had a chance of winning you the game there and then. And nobody bit on it.

Flawless my ass, by not NLing we lynched scum.

Lynching scum > NL. Every. Fucking. Time.

That lynch also basically cleared Arti and Panthera and SHOULD have cleared Donk.

Just because you got lucky on the lynch does not mean it was statistically the right play.

Yes you got me lynched as scum but there was no real conviction on that lynch by half the people on it. It was a shot in the dark for most with several admitting they thought it was a mislynch and still did it anyway

We get zero information from a NL. The information from that day regardless of result would have been important.

Additionally, we don't know what mafia does or doesn't have.

As mentioned, mafia had TWO extra kills, and since they never fired, you don't know what they have back. [because of this, FDs role meta math was weong].

The SM didn't flip as a 1 shot or an eK, so we only knew the Vig was an EK. No reason the SM couldn't have not been an EK and scum was holding one back. You never fucking know, that's the whole goddamned point

You knew there was 2 mafia left and every one was pretty certain there was 1-2 left in the vanillas so there was a high chance of either finding one with the 2 scanners or people getting confirmed if a scanner got NK'ed. We were genuinely worried because a combination existed from a no lynch that wins you the game.

Whereas we weren't worried about losing Colzach and in fact almost did do the SE bus Godfather plan that became the focal point of the final day.

No, you knew there were two mafia left, town can't guarantee anything.
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Sceptilesolar posted...

I don't see how No Lynch helps when there is no living power. Scum doesn't have to shoot if it's bad for them to do so.

Hey it could have been like that one game where we no lynched for five days straight at four
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turbopuns2 posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

On a 3v1 situation, isn't No Lynch the only option? Or at least best option?

What does it accomplish?

You are just giving scum an opportunity to analyze and then manipulate as they see fit.

Either scum says "nah, we're good" and doesn't kill anyone, or scum shoots the most accepted town and then....what has town gained?

It depends, I've been in a final four with confirmed Town BP, 2 questionable vanillas, and scum.
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PrinceKaro posted...

I just want to say I have zero respect for how Corrik played the game, and I will absolutely refuse to ever play in a game he is a part of.

You deserved to lose the game, not only because you are not as good of a player as you seem to think you are, but because you are an egomaniacal PoS who makes the atmosphere so toxic that we literally had a player leave the board over this.

Cool. A person who never plays mafia is mad that a person insulted repeatedly throughout the game played mafia and was wrong on someone's alignment. Glad to hear that.
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And for all the scum played badly posts, I don't care about my posts in topic which had minimum impact. I think I played decently for my scum board contribution alone.

Like you guys are entitled to your opinions but me and Turbo worked our asses off on the scum board for the final few days. A lot of our input Colzach didn't take on board until the actual final day

ShatteredElysium posted...

You knew there was 2 mafia left and every one was pretty certain there was 1-2 left in the vanillas so there was a high chance of either finding one with the 2 scanners or people getting confirmed if a scanner got NK'ed. We were genuinely worried because a combination existed from a no lynch that wins you the game.

The problem with the no lynch and the real reason I was so opposed to it is you can't ever be sure that something won't go horribly wrong. Look at exactly what happened - we lynched you successfully and then immediately shit on any benefit by mislynching a guy for no reason, completely out of nowhere, after making enough fuss out of doing it for spite that Zach could get away with the hammer and not have it prove he wasn't town because town was totally on board with lynching FD right there just because. I'll take trying to lynch successfully every time just because even if there's a better plan, you can't guarantee people will actually stick to it.
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Nanahara715 posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

FD got fucked. His no lynch argument was flawless and had a chance of winning you the game there and then. And nobody bit on it.

Flawless my ass, by not NLing we lynched scum.

Lynching scum > NL. Every. Fucking. Time.

That lynch also basically cleared Arti and Panthera and SHOULD have cleared Donk.

Just because you got lucky on the lynch does not mean it was statistically the right play.

Yes you got me lynched as scum but there was no real conviction on that lynch by half the people on it. It was a shot in the dark for most with several admitting they thought it was a mislynch and still did it anyway

We get zero information from a NL. The information from that day regardless of result would have been important.

Additionally, we don't know what mafia does or doesn't have.

As mentioned, mafia had TWO extra kills, and since they never fired, you don't know what they have back. [because of this, FDs role meta math was weong].

The SM didn't flip as a 1 shot or an eK, so we only knew the Vig was an EK. No reason the SM couldn't have not been an EK and scum was holding one back. You never fucking know, that's the whole goddamned point

You knew there was 2 mafia left and every one was pretty certain there was 1-2 left in the vanillas so there was a high chance of either finding one with the 2 scanners or people getting confirmed if a scanner got NK'ed. We were genuinely worried because a combination existed from a no lynch that wins you the game.

Whereas we weren't worried about losing Colzach and in fact almost did do the SE bus Godfather plan that became the focal point of the final day.

No, you knew there were two mafia left, town can't guarantee anything.

You're being pedantic. Nobody was suggesting a 5 or 7 man scum team at that point of the game. So yes you didn't absolutely know but it was incredibly likely and everyone thought it

And do not blame someone's mental fragility on me. I have never quit and had a hissy fit when someone wanted to lynch me as Town. What he did was on the same grounds as DreamGoddess. I acknowledged why he could be frustrated. He just took it too far because he was harboring feelings outside the game. I called him out earlier in the game for talking shit on me all game. He cooled it. Then lost himself later in the game. To err is to be town. I was wrong on him, but lynching him was important to figuring out the game. His milsynch was drawn by how he plays scum. Don't play scum the way you do then when it fits you being scum as town cry about it.
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Btw mad props on being so dedicated on the scumboard. Usually that thing is a barren wasteland. I appreciate that.
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That moment I offered MI that colzach Lynch though and he told me no... = /
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turbopuns2 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

And scum got lucky I decided to shoot Chris instead of Han, what's your point bro?

Go read the entire 136,000 post scum board then report back

Is this really how big the board is ? I may need to take the whole night to read it. Still reading what was said here in this topic but

I feel this game is lose lose. Town started so strong and just fell apart. I feel like we have good enough players to figure out the double trap ( I thought godfather was still on play even with flips) but seems like they canabalized each other a bit.

A little too much follow the scan but scum countered well

And I take it back, not loss lose because for Zach to pull that out he deserves the credit (corrik and I both would have lynched you hands down though )
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Not enough Leo mentions for my vanity. I'll have to kick it into high gear next time I play.
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Nanahara715 posted...

Scum were the ones ending day early

I want every town to burn this shit into their memory. There was absolutely no damn reason for town players to be helping scum by ending day early, and you absolutely deserved to get reverse swept for getting cocky because "We're ahead guys!".
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Corrik posted...

PrinceKaro posted...

I just want to say I have zero respect for how Corrik played the game, and I will absolutely refuse to ever play in a game he is a part of.

You deserved to lose the game, not only because you are not as good of a player as you seem to think you are, but because you are an egomaniacal PoS who makes the atmosphere so toxic that we literally had a player leave the board over this.

Cool. A person who never plays mafia is mad that a person insulted repeatedly throughout the game played mafia and was wrong on someone's alignment. Glad to hear that.

For the record I wasn't a fan of your play either before repping in. I also posted a bit about it on the scum board for you to read but that was before the MI thing. I did think you mellowed out a bit after I posted it on the scum board though and thought about deleting

Also, just to throw in there that I do like you as a person and it's definitely nothing personal against you. I just don't like that play style. I hated it when Ulti did it back in the day too

RogueNoble posted...

Foolmo had arguments so good I thought they were art.

They were

Chapter 5b is still my fav
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ScareChan posted...

Is this really how big the board is ?

I just spit out a hyperbolic number

No clue really but I bet $500 I made more scum board posts than any town member made actual game posts

I was fucking dedicated

Corrik posted...

I still have no idea wtf u were doing with ur role lol.

1. Power signaling to try to bait a nightkill
2. Maybe finding some scraps of info that could eventually be helpful (which I did luckily get a bit of)
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

BY THE WAY

FOOLMO.

I loved played with you. You did a great job and you being lynched was bullshit.

It was bizarre for town to be arguing "town has too much scanning! kill a scanner!" and then "folio's role does nothing! kill him for it!" Like...those two things counteract each other.

Also his role didn't do nothing! He lock confirmed Corrik.

I was impressed since this was foolmo's first forum game iirc.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Corrik posted...

PrinceKaro posted...

I just want to say I have zero respect for how Corrik played the game, and I will absolutely refuse to ever play in a game he is a part of.

You deserved to lose the game, not only because you are not as good of a player as you seem to think you are, but because you are an egomaniacal PoS who makes the atmosphere so toxic that we literally had a player leave the board over this.

Cool. A person who never plays mafia is mad that a person insulted repeatedly throughout the game played mafia and was wrong on someone's alignment. Glad to hear that.

For the record I wasn't a fan of your play either before repping in. I also posted a bit about it on the scum board for you to read but that was before the MI thing. I did think you mellowed out a bit after I posted it on the scum board though and thought about deleting

Also, just to throw in there that I do like you as a person and it's definitely nothing personal against you. I just don't like that play style. I hated it when Ulti did it back in the day too

What was my playstyle that you hated so much? That I am confident in my reads? Confidence is what you hate? I didn't make MI do that.

Is it because I dismiss reads I disagree with? Why wouldn't I?

You are playing a game where making your voice heard and arguing your point is important. Why get muddled in pointless talk?

I make hard reads. They end up gloriously or disasterously. I play much more aggressive. I use any information to my use. If I can fake information, a claim, etc that generates discussion, I do so. Colzach should have died for his reaction to my scan on eaed. If it wasn't for all the scum we lined up, he likely would have. That is information the game never gets without doing what I do. Towns purpose is to generate information to make reads. Otherwise we would all use RNG generators to determine our lynches.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Corrik posted...

I still have no idea wtf u were doing with ur role lol.

1. Power signaling to try to bait a nightkill
2. Maybe finding some scraps of info that could eventually be helpful (which I did luckily get a bit of)

Just blew my mind u scanned the claimed Miller 3 nights in a row lol
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ScareChan posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

And scum got lucky I decided to shoot Chris instead of Han, what's your point bro?

Go read the entire 136,000 post scum board then report back

Is this really how big the board is ? I may need to take the whole night to read it. Still reading what was said here in this topic but

I feel this game is lose lose. Town started so strong and just fell apart. I feel like we have good enough players to figure out the double trap ( I thought godfather was still on play even with flips) but seems like they canabalized each other a bit.

A little too much follow the scan but scum countered well

And I take it back, not loss lose because for Zach to pull that out he deserves the credit (corrik and I both would have lynched you hands down though )

Scum board is 1448 posts. 820 of which are me and Turbo.

Thank you for the respect topic scum team I appreciate it.

Corrik! Why did you take that damn gambit and outed me?!
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I personally don't get why someone literally closed their account over this game, though at the same time people even entertaining the idea of lynching the guy who caught two scum. Like what was the argument for "Oh, MI is probably Godfather"?

Honestly scum played so poorly I want to be upset they won... but then town proceeded to play worse and throw the game because literally three people decided to modkill themselves and basically deserved to win the game even less.

I also didn't like how Zam intentionally acted scummy, but I suppose he never got killed by scum. If I was vig, I probably would have shot him by day 2 or so and I'd be tilted when he flipped doctor of all things. >_>

Anyway GG scum, town 100% deserved to get embarrassed.
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MI was fucking obvious town and there was no real reason to lynch him

I could see Corrik's side when I did the reread but it wasn't enough to really think he was scum
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Thank you for the respect topic scum team I appreciate it.

Corrik! Why did you take that damn gambit and outed me?!

Because they didn't want to end the day and if I didn't it would have been 48 hours of sitting there and doing nothing.

Thus, I faked a scan on someone who I thought would respond with a claim and might be scummy. Just happened to be you! Lol. I made it clear I wasn't lynching you really though when I said I don't hammer I want to hear from you. I was clearly faking. And we were always lynching Chris. I just wanted info to make people happy the day was "productive".
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Sceptilesolar posted...

Because they... played badly?

That's the way Mafia math works. Town can't get ahead of scum, it can only stay at parity or fall behind. No matter how well they do at first, they still can't repeatedly mislynch after that.

Well what I mean is, how did we get so far ahead like that, and then on D5 when all the scans came out, it still turned into such a close and ambiguous game?

The scans actively ruined town. It's why I was lynched. It's why MI had to be lynched even though we were pretty confident he was town, due to statistics. That seems like the opposite of what power roles should do.
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Arti posted...

MI was fucking obvious town and there was no real reason to lynch him

I could see Corrik's side when I did the reread but it wasn't enough to really think he was scum

I think MI played his role wrong by claiming on Chris' lynch day, personally. But that is me.
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Corrik posted...

PrinceKaro posted...

I just want to say I have zero respect for how Corrik played the game, and I will absolutely refuse to ever play in a game he is a part of.

You deserved to lose the game, not only because you are not as good of a player as you seem to think you are, but because you are an egomaniacal PoS who makes the atmosphere so toxic that we literally had a player leave the board over this.

Cool. A person who never plays mafia is mad that a person insulted repeatedly throughout the game played mafia and was wrong on someone's alignment. Glad to hear that.

I have played Mafia long ago, probably before you graced us with your wonderful presence. The only person I saw slinging insults about in the game was you, usually dismissing them or mocking their intelligence or shouting them down with a megaphone when they wouldn't go the way you wanted them to go.

Of special note was when another player was trying to hold a legitimate discussion about the game's flavor you basically told him to fuck off and not to talk about characters in a 'stupid nintendo game for babies'

If you really think that is conductive to good town play I really dont know what to say
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foolm0r0n posted...

The scans actively ruined town. It's why I was lynched. It's why MI had to be lynched even though we were pretty confident he was town, due to statistics. That seems like the opposite of what power roles should do.

Corrik and I being dumb is what ruined town. Me in particular. The scans end up null at worst if someone competent is thinking about them
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Hey Karo, how have you been?
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PrinceKaro posted...

Corrik posted...

PrinceKaro posted...

I just want to say I have zero respect for how Corrik played the game, and I will absolutely refuse to ever play in a game he is a part of.

You deserved to lose the game, not only because you are not as good of a player as you seem to think you are, but because you are an egomaniacal PoS who makes the atmosphere so toxic that we literally had a player leave the board over this.

Cool. A person who never plays mafia is mad that a person insulted repeatedly throughout the game played mafia and was wrong on someone's alignment. Glad to hear that.

I have played Mafia long ago, probably before you graced us with your wonderful presence. The only person I saw slinging insults about in the game was you, usually dismissing them or mocking their intelligence or shouting them down with a megaphone when they wouldn't go the way you wanted them to go.

Of special note was when another player was trying to hold a legitimate discussion about the game's flavor you basically told him to fuck off and not to talk about characters in a 'stupid nintendo game for babies'

If you really think that is conductive to good town play I really dont know what to say

So you are upset because you are a Nintendo fanboy and can't understand clear joking around. I got ya. All you had to say really.

"Someone joked about a Nintendo game" is your argument. Lol. Clearly was joking ya dummybutt. Hahaha.
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Corrik posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

Corrik posted...

PrinceKaro posted...

I just want to say I have zero respect for how Corrik played the game, and I will absolutely refuse to ever play in a game he is a part of.

You deserved to lose the game, not only because you are not as good of a player as you seem to think you are, but because you are an egomaniacal PoS who makes the atmosphere so toxic that we literally had a player leave the board over this.

Cool. A person who never plays mafia is mad that a person insulted repeatedly throughout the game played mafia and was wrong on someone's alignment. Glad to hear that.

For the record I wasn't a fan of your play either before repping in. I also posted a bit about it on the scum board for you to read but that was before the MI thing. I did think you mellowed out a bit after I posted it on the scum board though and thought about deleting

Also, just to throw in there that I do like you as a person and it's definitely nothing personal against you. I just don't like that play style. I hated it when Ulti did it back in the day too

What was my playstyle that you hated so much? That I am confident in my reads? Confidence is what you hate? I didn't make MI do that.

Is it because I dismiss reads I disagree with? Why wouldn't I?

You are playing a game where making your voice heard and arguing your point is important. Why get muddled in pointless talk?

I make hard reads. They end up gloriously or disasterously. I play much more aggressive. I use any information to my use. If I can fake information, a claim, etc that generates discussion, I do so. Colzach should have died for his reaction to my scan on eaed. If it wasn't for all the scum we lined up, he likely would have. That is information the game never gets without doing what I do. Towns purpose is to generate information to make reads. Otherwise we would all use RNG generators to determine our lynches.

Because you present opinions as fact and how you talk to people who disagrer can come across as bullying even if it isnt. You can be confident without being shitty to people. And i absolutely know you arent meaning to be and you arent being personal about it, you're just trying to win.At the end of the day, it's a game and should be fun. And that play style makes it not fun for a lot of other people

I don't blame you at all for the MI isn't for the record. It sucks and I feel really bad for MI but it also isn't your fault

Panthera posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

The scans actively ruined town. It's why I was lynched. It's why MI had to be lynched even though we were pretty confident he was town, due to statistics. That seems like the opposite of what power roles should do.

Corrik and I being dumb is what ruined town. Me in particular. The scans end up null at worst if someone competent is thinking about them

Man, the worst lynch of the game was FD. And, I will.never understand why the cop was arguing to lynch scanned innos from the beginning. I mean, how could you not think the cop was scummy!

The only reason I didn't go harder on MI was because I was too pussy to be wrong on the non counter claimed town power.
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Well, Zam and Scare both didn't need to claim the day Han was lynched (and neither did fool, really)

though it boggles my mind that no scanner thought to consider looking at him just for curiosity's sake (Instead, we get a scan on Nana and Corrik)
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Damn, this game was a blast but reading post game is givin it a run for its money. Theres salt, wholesomeness, and everything in between.

ShatteredElysium posted...

Corrik posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

Corrik posted...

PrinceKaro posted...

I just want to say I have zero respect for how Corrik played the game, and I will absolutely refuse to ever play in a game he is a part of.

You deserved to lose the game, not only because you are not as good of a player as you seem to think you are, but because you are an egomaniacal PoS who makes the atmosphere so toxic that we literally had a player leave the board over this.

Cool. A person who never plays mafia is mad that a person insulted repeatedly throughout the game played mafia and was wrong on someone's alignment. Glad to hear that.

For the record I wasn't a fan of your play either before repping in. I also posted a bit about it on the scum board for you to read but that was before the MI thing. I did think you mellowed out a bit after I posted it on the scum board though and thought about deleting

Also, just to throw in there that I do like you as a person and it's definitely nothing personal against you. I just don't like that play style. I hated it when Ulti did it back in the day too

What was my playstyle that you hated so much? That I am confident in my reads? Confidence is what you hate? I didn't make MI do that.

Is it because I dismiss reads I disagree with? Why wouldn't I?

You are playing a game where making your voice heard and arguing your point is important. Why get muddled in pointless talk?

I make hard reads. They end up gloriously or disasterously. I play much more aggressive. I use any information to my use. If I can fake information, a claim, etc that generates discussion, I do so. Colzach should have died for his reaction to my scan on eaed. If it wasn't for all the scum we lined up, he likely would have. That is information the game never gets without doing what I do. Towns purpose is to generate information to make reads. Otherwise we would all use RNG generators to determine our lynches.

Because you present opinions as fact and how you talk to people who disagrer can come across as bullying even if it isnt. You can be confident without being shitty to people. And i absolutely know you arent meaning to be and you arent being personal about it, you're just trying to win.At the end of the day, it's a game and should be fun. And that play style makes it not fun for a lot of other people

I don't blame you at all for the MI isn't for the record. It sucks and I feel really bad for MI but it also isn't your fault

My opinions are 91% facts to me. =P
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VeryInsane posted...

I dunno how lynching MI makes sense, btw

The biggest risk at that point in the game was that MI was doing another crazy scum gambit (two of which we had seen already) and was serving up his scumbuds to gain favor for late game.

Also Cop was so pro-scum in this game that by the time he lived to D5, it was better for him alive, so he would've had the perfect excuse for why he made it to final 4. We couldn't let scum do the job for us, so we HAD to do it.
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Nanahara715 posted...

It can be an option, which is another reason you don't piss away a NL on day 5.

Instead you should kill town

I wonder how long you will believe you made the right move there and that NL "wasn't an option"
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ColZach posted...

Damn, this game was a blast but reading post game is givin it a run for its money. Theres salt, wholesomeness, and everything in between.

Deifnitely some salt here. The fact fucking puns gets to gloat in this game is enough for me to get a river flowing and flood his new house.
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foolm0r0n posted...

Nanahara715 posted...

It can be an option, which is another reason you don't piss away a NL on day 5.

Instead you should kill town

I wonder how long you will believe you made the right move there and that NL "wasn't an option"

NL wasn't an option as long as Town had confirmed and scanning couldn't scan scum.
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foolm0r0n posted...

VeryInsane posted...

I dunno how lynching MI makes sense, btw

The biggest risk at that point in the game was that MI was doing another crazy scum gambit (two of which we had seen already) and was serving up his scumbuds to gain favor for late game.

Also Cop was so pro-scum in this game that by the time he lived to D5, it was better for him alive, so he would've had the perfect excuse for why he made it to final 4. We couldn't let scum do the job for us, so we HAD to do it.

If MI was in the final four I still wouldn't have lynched him
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Thanks for the apprciation topic ColZach <3. I look forward to playing with you again in the future. Maybe we can be on the same side next time. This agme was great, with some great players too, what b8 game is next?
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Arti posted...

foolm0r0n posted...

VeryInsane posted...

I dunno how lynching MI makes sense, btw

The biggest risk at that point in the game was that MI was doing another crazy scum gambit (two of which we had seen already) and was serving up his scumbuds to gain favor for late game.

Also Cop was so pro-scum in this game that by the time he lived to D5, it was better for him alive, so he would've had the perfect excuse for why he made it to final 4. We couldn't let scum do the job for us, so we HAD to do it.

If MI was in the final four I still wouldn't have lynched him

I wouldn't have at that point either probably which is why I needed him to flip before that.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hey Karo, how have you been?

after watching this game play out, glad that i dont play mafia anymore

nuff said
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