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Antifar 06/13/18 10:56:49 AM #1:	https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1006748327906627584 ah, --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:903158168] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1006748327906627584 ah,</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 06/13/18 10:59:10 AM #2:	So let's see what someone on the right claims Rachel Maddow is up to. Here I thought that link would be to Maddow's Twitter. Silly me. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:903158306] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>So let's see what someone on the right claims Rachel Maddow is up to. Here I thought that link would be to Maddow's Twitter. Silly me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/13/18 11:00:48 AM #3:	yeah is it weird that my reaction to the end of the war games was something like "oh he did something good today nice" --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:903158414] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>yeah is it weird that my reaction to the end of the war games was something like "oh he did something good today nice"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/13/18 11:02:58 AM #4:	creativerealms posted... So let's see what someone on the right claims Rachel Maddow is up to. Here I thought that link would be to Maddow's Twitter. Silly me. The tweet in question is 1) not from someone on the tight 2) a clip from her show --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:903158559] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote>So let's see what someone on the right claims Rachel Maddow is up to. Here I thought that link would be to Maddow's Twitter. Silly me.</quote> The tweet in question is 1) not from someone on the tight 2) a clip from her show</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 06/13/18 11:07:45 AM #5:	Lmao man she has really lost it --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:903158852] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>Lmao man she has really lost it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 06/13/18 11:12:45 AM #6:	So lefties are just full-on warhawks now? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:903159176] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>So lefties are just full-on warhawks now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 06/13/18 11:15:33 AM #7:	darkjedilink posted... So lefties are just full-on warhawks now? Democrats might be --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:903159335] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>So lefties are just full-on warhawks now?</quote> Democrats might be</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Donomark 06/13/18 11:18:17 AM #8:	What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ <cite>Donomark posted [p:903159490] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Milkman5 06/13/18 11:19:33 AM #9:	Trump could literally do everything Maddow ever wanted him to do and she would somehow spin it as the worst thing ever <cite>Milkman5 posted [p:903159565] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>Trump could literally do everything Maddow ever wanted him to do and she would somehow spin it as the worst thing ever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet_10-325 06/13/18 11:20:53 AM #10:	Donomark posted... What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies. --- No one triggers the Trumpanzees quite like you do - Bullet_Wing Conservatism is a plague on society. Formerly known as The_Great_Geno. <cite>Genocet_10-325 posted [p:903159639] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote>What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Genocet_10-325 06/13/18 11:23:03 AM #13:	Godnorgosh posted... Donomark posted... What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies. I wonder if she would be probing anyone the same way, though. It doesn't seem obvious to me that she would frame things the same way had it been a Democrat. Rachel Maddow wasn't a huge fan of Obama. --- No one triggers the Trumpanzees quite like you do - Bullet_Wing Conservatism is a plague on society. Formerly known as The_Great_Geno. <cite>Genocet_10-325 posted [p:903159776] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote>What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies.</quote> I wonder if she would be probing anyone the same way, though. It doesn't seem obvious to me that she would frame things the same way had it been a Democrat.</quote> Rachel Maddow wasn't a huge fan of Obama.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bob742omb 06/13/18 11:23:27 AM #14:	what happened to the anti-war left? i ask this genuinely because trump or not i've wanted there to be peace with north korea and stopping the military exercises was the main thing north korea wanted. i would not complain obama did it. --- bob the buster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFNtqC0ETqo <cite>bob742omb posted [p:903159805] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>what happened to the anti-war left? i ask this genuinely because trump or not i've wanted there to be peace with north korea and stopping the military exercises was the main thing north korea wanted. i would not complain obama did it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Donomark 06/13/18 11:23:49 AM #15:	Godnorgosh posted... Donomark posted... What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies. I wonder if she would be probing anyone the same way, though. It doesn't seem obvious to me that she would frame things the same way had it been a Democrat. That's because Democratic presidents don't have a recent history of inexplicably promoting Russian interests. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ <cite>Donomark posted [p:903159828] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Godnorgosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote>What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies.</quote> I wonder if she would be probing anyone the same way, though. It doesn't seem obvious to me that she would frame things the same way had it been a Democrat.</quote> That's because Democratic presidents don't have a recent history of inexplicably promoting Russian interests.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet_10-325 06/13/18 11:24:41 AM #16:	bob742omb posted... what happened to the anti-war left? What does stopping joint military exercises have to do with war? Jfc you'd think she was advocating we nuke Pyongyang with how you people are talking --- No one triggers the Trumpanzees quite like you do - Bullet_Wing Conservatism is a plague on society. Formerly known as The_Great_Geno. <cite>Genocet_10-325 posted [p:903159885] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>bob742omb posted...</cite> <quote>what happened to the anti-war left?</quote> What does stopping joint military exercises have to do with war? Jfc you'd think she was advocating we nuke Pyongyang with how you people are talking</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/13/18 11:24:42 AM #17:	Caution999 posted... Lmao man she has really lost it you two have a lot in common, apparently. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:903159886] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Lmao man she has really lost it</quote> you two have a lot in common, apparently.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreveraIone 06/13/18 11:25:14 AM #18:	Genocet_10-325 posted... Donomark posted... What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies. --- https://imgur.com/aVTScxQ Always. Edgy. <cite>foreveraIone posted [p:903159909] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote>What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies.</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet_10-325 06/13/18 11:25:25 AM #19:	TheVipaGTS posted... Caution999 posted... Lmao man she has really lost it you two have a lot in common, apparently. *`r e k t`* --- No one triggers the Trumpanzees quite like you do - Bullet_Wing Conservatism is a plague on society. Formerly known as The_Great_Geno. <cite>Genocet_10-325 posted [p:903159918] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Lmao man she has really lost it</quote> you two have a lot in common, apparently.</quote> r e k t</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 06/13/18 11:27:03 AM #20:	foreveraIone posted... Genocet_10-325 posted... Donomark posted... What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies. No, she's literally saying that his actions are literally made to serve our enemies. Peace in Korea is bad, and only coming under Trump because of Putin. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:903160017] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>foreveraIone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote>What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies.</quote></quote></quote> No, she's literally saying that his actions are literally made to serve our enemies. Peace in Korea is bad, and only coming under Trump because of Putin.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet_10-325 06/13/18 11:33:16 AM #21:	darkjedilink posted... foreveraIone posted... Genocet_10-325 posted... Donomark posted... What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies. No, she's literally saying that his actions are literally made to serve our enemies. Peace in Korea is bad, and only coming under Trump because of Putin. No, that's not what she's saying. At all. How delusional must one be to glean that from what she's saying? --- No one triggers the Trumpanzees quite like you do - Bullet_Wing Conservatism is a plague on society. Formerly known as The_Great_Geno. <cite>Genocet_10-325 posted [p:903160403] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>foreveraIone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote>What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies.</quote></quote></quote> No, she's literally saying that his actions are literally made to serve our enemies. Peace in Korea is bad, and only coming under Trump because of Putin.</quote> No, that's not what she's saying. At all. How delusional must one be to glean that from what she's saying?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Donomark 06/13/18 11:34:52 AM #22:	darkjedilink posted... foreveraIone posted... Genocet_10-325 posted... Donomark posted... What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies. No, she's literally saying that his actions are literally made to serve our enemies because they do nothing to promote our interests. Withdrawing our presence in Korea is bad without meaningful concessions from the NK government, and is potentially occurring because of Putin's influence. There. I fixed that for you. There's what she said, and what you imagine. If you're going to summarize her, stick with the former and not the latter. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ <cite>Donomark posted [p:903160519] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>foreveraIone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote>What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies.</quote></quote></quote> No, she's literally saying that his actions are literally made to serve our enemies because they do nothing to promote our interests. Withdrawing our presence in Korea is bad without meaningful concessions from the NK government, and is potentially occurring because of Putin's influence.</quote> There. I fixed that for you. There's what she said, and what you imagine. If you're going to summarize her, stick with the former and not the latter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 06/13/18 11:49:25 AM #23:	Maddow has always been a national security Liberal. This line of reasoning from her is entirely consistent with her beliefs. People need to stop assuming all liberals are some kind of hivemind with one cohesive logic. --- // BEAUTY IS NOT LOVE - LOVE IS NOT MUSIC - MUSIC IS THE BEST - WISDOM IS THE DOMAIN OF THE WIZ--WHICH IS EXTINCT // http://www.last.fm/user/Pogo92 <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:903161511] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>Maddow has always been a national security Liberal. This line of reasoning from her is entirely consistent with her beliefs. People need to stop assuming all liberals are some kind of hivemind with one cohesive logic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/13/18 11:55:38 AM #24:	Pogo_Marimo posted... Maddow has always been a national security Liberal. This line of reasoning from her is entirely consistent with her beliefs. People need to stop assuming all liberals are some kind of hivemind with one cohesive logic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift:_The_Unmooring_of_American_Military_Power ? --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:903161934] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pogo_Marimo posted...</cite> <quote>Maddow has always been a national security Liberal. This line of reasoning from her is entirely consistent with her beliefs. People need to stop assuming all liberals are some kind of hivemind with one cohesive logic.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift:_The_Unmooring_of_American_Military_Power ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 06/13/18 12:12:41 PM #25:	Donomark posted... darkjedilink posted... foreveraIone posted... Genocet_10-325 posted... Donomark posted... What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies. No, she's literally saying that his actions are literally made to serve our enemies because they do nothing to promote our interests. Withdrawing our presence in Korea is bad without meaningful concessions from the NK government, and is potentially occurring because of Putin's influence. There. I fixed that for you. There's what she said, and what you imagine. If you're going to summarize her, stick with the former and not the latter. Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:903163056] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>foreveraIone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote>What is the problem with this? She's not attacking him from the right, she's questioning whether his actions serve our enemies.</quote></quote></quote> No, she's literally saying that his actions are literally made to serve our enemies because they do nothing to promote our interests. Withdrawing our presence in Korea is bad without meaningful concessions from the NK government, and is potentially occurring because of Putin's influence.</quote> There. I fixed that for you. There's what she said, and what you imagine. If you're going to summarize her, stick with the former and not the latter.</quote> Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pow Pow Punishment 06/13/18 12:28:49 PM #26:	Progressives don't like Rachel Maddow. She's an establishment-friendly liberal. Here's the Young Turks covering this same issue on North Korea and her coverage of Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Z9OnmIP0I" data-time="&start=72 --- Currently playing: Knights of the Old Republic (Android) Training log: http://Machinhate.blogspot.com <cite>Pow Pow Punishment posted [p:903164186] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>Progressives don't like Rachel Maddow. She's an establishment-friendly liberal. Here's the Young Turks covering this same issue on North Korea and her coverage of Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Z9OnmIP0I" data-time="&start=72</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreverzero212 06/13/18 12:43:10 PM #27:	Who watches Maddow? Whats her target demo? I guess she appeals to war loving partisan hack boomers, but they usually aren't very receptive to butch lesbians. --- lions and panthers oh my <cite>foreverzero212 posted [p:903165193] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>Who watches Maddow? Whats her target demo? I guess she appeals to war loving partisan hack boomers, but they usually aren't very receptive to butch lesbians.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BruceWayneJr 06/13/18 12:46:55 PM #28:	foreverzero212 posted... I guess she appeals to war loving partisan hack boomers, but they usually aren't very receptive to butch lesbians. Are you actually trying to be so wrong? If not, that kind of ignorance is impressive! --- He might be the president, but it's not his country. <cite>BruceWayneJr posted [p:903165496] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>foreverzero212 posted...</cite> <quote> I guess she appeals to war loving partisan hack boomers, but they usually aren't very receptive to butch lesbians.</quote> Are you actually trying to be so wrong? If not, that kind of ignorance is impressive!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreverzero212 06/13/18 12:52:56 PM #29:	BruceWayneJr posted... foreverzero212 posted... I guess she appeals to war loving partisan hack boomers, but they usually aren't very receptive to butch lesbians. Are you actually trying to be so wrong? If not, that kind of ignorance is impressive! You think elderly people are very lgbt friendly? That kind of ignorance is impressive. --- lions and panthers oh my <cite>foreverzero212 posted [p:903165934] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>BruceWayneJr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>foreverzero212 posted...</cite> <quote> I guess she appeals to war loving partisan hack boomers, but they usually aren't very receptive to butch lesbians.</quote> Are you actually trying to be so wrong? If not, that kind of ignorance is impressive!</quote> You think elderly people are very lgbt friendly? That kind of ignorance is impressive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Capn Circus 06/13/18 1:00:36 PM #30:	Trump could walk on water and they'd say he can't swim --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks <cite>Capn Circus posted [p:903166514] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>Trump could walk on water and they'd say he can't swim</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet_10-325 06/13/18 1:18:54 PM #31:	foreverzero212 posted... Who watches Maddow? Whats her target demo? I guess she appeals to war loving partisan hack boomers, but they usually aren't very receptive to butch lesbians. I love both Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell. --- No one triggers the Trumpanzees quite like you do - Bullet_Wing Conservatism is a plague on society. Formerly known as The_Great_Geno. <cite>Genocet_10-325 posted [p:903167864] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>foreverzero212 posted...</cite> <quote>Who watches Maddow? Whats her target demo? I guess she appeals to war loving partisan hack boomers, but they usually aren't very receptive to butch lesbians.</quote> I love both Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Donomark 06/13/18 1:31:34 PM #32:	Pow Pow Punishment posted... Progressives don't like Rachel Maddow. She's an establishment-friendly liberal. Here's the Young Turks covering this same issue on North Korea and her coverage of Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Z9OnmIP0I" data-time="&start=72 That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ <cite>Donomark posted [p:903168793] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pow Pow Punishment posted...</cite> <quote>Progressives don't like Rachel Maddow. She's an establishment-friendly liberal. Here's the Young Turks covering this same issue on North Korea and her coverage of Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Z9OnmIP0I" data-time="&start=72</quote> That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreverzero212 06/13/18 1:33:28 PM #33:	Genocet_10-325 posted... I love both Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell. Said no one but the owners of MSNBC lol And I've been around long enough to see you cycle through enough gimmicks to know you're not serious. --- lions and panthers oh my <cite>foreverzero212 posted [p:903168935] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote>I love both Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell.</quote> Said no one but the owners of MSNBC lol And I've been around long enough to see you cycle through enough gimmicks to know you're not serious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet_10-325 06/13/18 1:34:34 PM #34:	foreverzero212 posted... Genocet_10-325 posted... I love both Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell. Said no one but the owners of MSNBC lol And I've been around long enough to see you cycle through enough gimmicks to know you're not serious. Maddows high ratings say otherwise. Or do you think everybody who watches every night hate watches? Also I think you're confusing me for somebody else. --- No one triggers the Trumpanzees quite like you do - Bullet_Wing Conservatism is a plague on society. Formerly known as The_Great_Geno. <cite>Genocet_10-325 posted [p:903169013] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>foreverzero212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote>I love both Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell.</quote> Said no one but the owners of MSNBC lol And I've been around long enough to see you cycle through enough gimmicks to know you're not serious.</quote> Maddows high ratings say otherwise. Or do you think everybody who watches every night hate watches? Also I think you're confusing me for somebody else.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 06/13/18 1:35:04 PM #35:	Balrog0 posted... Pogo_Marimo posted... Maddow has always been a national security Liberal. This line of reasoning from her is entirely consistent with her beliefs. People need to stop assuming all liberals are some kind of hivemind with one cohesive logic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift:_The_Unmooring_of_American_Military_Power ? Are you capable of forming an actual argument or am I supposed to just guess through your primitive gestures what point your trying to make? --- // BEAUTY IS NOT LOVE - LOVE IS NOT MUSIC - MUSIC IS THE BEST - WISDOM IS THE DOMAIN OF THE WIZ--WHICH IS EXTINCT // http://www.last.fm/user/Pogo92 <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:903169050] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pogo_Marimo posted...</cite> <quote>Maddow has always been a national security Liberal. This line of reasoning from her is entirely consistent with her beliefs. People need to stop assuming all liberals are some kind of hivemind with one cohesive logic.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift:_The_Unmooring_of_American_Military_Power ?</quote> Are you capable of forming an actual argument or am I supposed to just guess through your primitive gestures what point your trying to make?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Big_Nabendu 06/13/18 1:36:36 PM #36:	Such a terrible person --- The embrace of the Dark is gentle. Let it absorb your sorrows, forever. \[T]/ Owner of the 500 board and Leader of sunbro board GT Nabendu <cite>Big_Nabendu posted [p:903169155] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>Such a terrible person</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pow Pow Punishment 06/13/18 1:54:54 PM #37:	Donomark posted... That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization. I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence. --- Currently playing: Knights of the Old Republic (Android) Training log: http://Machinhate.blogspot.com <cite>Pow Pow Punishment posted [p:903170619] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote> That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization.</quote> I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Donomark 06/13/18 2:20:20 PM #38:	Pow Pow Punishment posted... Donomark posted... That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization. I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence. Okay, when I said she didn't say "be more aggressive," I was responding to Dore's implication, which was that Maddow wants war, and will smear any effort against war as a Putin-engineered conspiracy. I also meant she didn't say "be more aggressive" in the sense of advocating for amplified hostility. You are right that she is criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un, but I think it's in the context of what she perceives to be a nebulous, unproductive meeting that saw Kim gain more than Americans. I don't think that Maddow is against peace, and I don't think that Maddow is against meeting with Kim Jong-un on any reasonable terms. I'm willing to grant that (to some degree or another), her exact feelings are up to interpretation. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ <cite>Donomark posted [p:903172586] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pow Pow Punishment posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote> That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization.</quote> I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence.</quote> Okay, when I said she didn't say "be more aggressive," I was responding to Dore's implication, which was that Maddow wants war, and will smear any effort against war as a Putin-engineered conspiracy. I also meant she didn't say "be more aggressive" in the sense of advocating for amplified hostility. You are right that she is criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un, but I think it's in the context of what she perceives to be a nebulous, unproductive meeting that saw Kim gain more than Americans. I don't think that Maddow is against peace, and I don't think that Maddow is against meeting with Kim Jong-un on any reasonable terms. I'm willing to grant that (to some degree or another), her exact feelings are up to interpretation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreverzero212 06/13/18 2:29:01 PM #39:	Genocet_10-325 posted... foreverzero212 posted... Genocet_10-325 posted... I love both Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell. Said no one but the owners of MSNBC lol And I've been around long enough to see you cycle through enough gimmicks to know you're not serious. Maddows high ratings say otherwise. Or do you think everybody who watches every night hate watches? Also I think you're confusing me for somebody else. She has 3 million viewers, as do fox news programs and other msnbc shows. Her ratings are slightly higher than the others in this slumping cohort, but 3 mil is nothing. The consistency of these low numbers across the board suggests the bulk of viewership comes from retirement home tvs that never turn off. Also that the median age for the networks is 65 (up 2 years from 2 years ago) Preseason sports games that no one cares about average 15 mil. --- lions and panthers oh my <cite>foreverzero212 posted [p:903173316] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>foreverzero212 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote>I love both Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell.</quote> Said no one but the owners of MSNBC lol And I've been around long enough to see you cycle through enough gimmicks to know you're not serious.</quote> Maddows high ratings say otherwise. Or do you think everybody who watches every night hate watches? Also I think you're confusing me for somebody else.</quote> She has 3 million viewers, as do fox news programs and other msnbc shows. Her ratings are slightly higher than the others in this slumping cohort, but 3 mil is nothing. The consistency of these low numbers across the board suggests the bulk of viewership comes from retirement home tvs that never turn off. Also that the median age for the networks is 65 (up 2 years from 2 years ago) Preseason sports games that no one cares about average 15 mil.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AvantgardeAClue 06/13/18 2:37:21 PM #40:	As a moderate I have not seen a strategy for NK from the left that doesn't consist of going "Oh they'll come around I'm sure" or "We shouldn't be getting involved in their culture and politics" --- Sometimes I say things and I'm not voice acting. <cite>AvantgardeAClue posted [p:903173985] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>As a moderate I have not seen a strategy for NK from the left that doesn't consist of going "Oh they'll come around I'm sure" or "We shouldn't be getting involved in their culture and politics"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 06/13/18 2:47:26 PM #41:	Donomark posted... Pow Pow Punishment posted... Donomark posted... That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization. I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence. Okay, when I said she didn't say "be more aggressive," I was responding to Dore's implication, which was that Maddow wants war, and will smear any effort against war as a Putin-engineered conspiracy. I also meant she didn't say "be more aggressive" in the sense of advocating for amplified hostility. You are right that she is criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un, but I think it's in the context of what she perceives to be a nebulous, unproductive meeting that saw Kim gain more than Americans. I don't think that Maddow is against peace, and I don't think that Maddow is against meeting with Kim Jong-un on any reasonable terms. I'm willing to grant that (to some degree or another), her exact feelings are up to interpretation. What has Kim 'gained,' exactly, other than a cessation of military exercises? Our troops are still there. Our ships are still there. Our bases are still there. Our planes are still there. Our nukes are still there. Our artilleries are still there. Our spies are still there. Our economic strongarming is still there. Kim has 'gained' nothing until he gives up some nukes. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:903174763] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pow Pow Punishment posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote> That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization.</quote> I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence.</quote> Okay, when I said she didn't say "be more aggressive," I was responding to Dore's implication, which was that Maddow wants war, and will smear any effort against war as a Putin-engineered conspiracy. I also meant she didn't say "be more aggressive" in the sense of advocating for amplified hostility. You are right that she is criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un, but I think it's in the context of what she perceives to be a nebulous, unproductive meeting that saw Kim gain more than Americans. I don't think that Maddow is against peace, and I don't think that Maddow is against meeting with Kim Jong-un on any reasonable terms. I'm willing to grant that (to some degree or another), her exact feelings are up to interpretation.</quote> What has Kim 'gained,' exactly, other than a cessation of military exercises? Our troops are still there. Our ships are still there. Our bases are still there. Our planes are still there. Our nukes are still there. Our artilleries are still there. Our spies are still there. Our economic strongarming is still there. Kim has 'gained' nothing until he gives up some nukes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 06/13/18 2:50:27 PM #42:	She's so nasty yuk. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:903174990] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>She's so nasty yuk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Donomark 06/13/18 3:05:39 PM #44:	darkjedilink posted... Donomark posted... Pow Pow Punishment posted... Donomark posted... That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization. I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence. Okay, when I said she didn't say "be more aggressive," I was responding to Dore's implication, which was that Maddow wants war, and will smear any effort against war as a Putin-engineered conspiracy. I also meant she didn't say "be more aggressive" in the sense of advocating for amplified hostility. You are right that she is criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un, but I think it's in the context of what she perceives to be a nebulous, unproductive meeting that saw Kim gain more than Americans. I don't think that Maddow is against peace, and I don't think that Maddow is against meeting with Kim Jong-un on any reasonable terms. I'm willing to grant that (to some degree or another), her exact feelings are up to interpretation. Q: What has Kim 'gained? A: A cessation of military exercises. Shi Yinhong, an international relations expert at People's University in Beijing, said Trump's pledge to halt military maneuvers is, from China's perspective, almost "too good to be true." https://www.npr.org/2018/06/13/619464740/north-koreas-media-touts-trump-concessions-you-won-t-find-in-the-joint-statement Now, I ask you, what did we gain in exchange? --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ <cite>Donomark posted [p:903176107] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pow Pow Punishment posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote> That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization.</quote> I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence.</quote> Okay, when I said she didn't say "be more aggressive," I was responding to Dore's implication, which was that Maddow wants war, and will smear any effort against war as a Putin-engineered conspiracy. I also meant she didn't say "be more aggressive" in the sense of advocating for amplified hostility. You are right that she is criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un, but I think it's in the context of what she perceives to be a nebulous, unproductive meeting that saw Kim gain more than Americans. I don't think that Maddow is against peace, and I don't think that Maddow is against meeting with Kim Jong-un on any reasonable terms. I'm willing to grant that (to some degree or another), her exact feelings are up to interpretation.</quote> Q: What has Kim 'gained? A: A cessation of military exercises. </quote> Shi Yinhong, an international relations expert at People's University in Beijing, said Trump's pledge to halt military maneuvers is, from China's perspective, almost "too good to be true." https://www.npr.org/2018/06/13/619464740/north-koreas-media-touts-trump-concessions-you-won-t-find-in-the-joint-statement Now, I ask you, what did we gain in exchange?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 06/13/18 3:08:35 PM #45:	Donomark posted... darkjedilink posted... Donomark posted... Pow Pow Punishment posted... Donomark posted... That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization. I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence. Okay, when I said she didn't say "be more aggressive," I was responding to Dore's implication, which was that Maddow wants war, and will smear any effort against war as a Putin-engineered conspiracy. I also meant she didn't say "be more aggressive" in the sense of advocating for amplified hostility. You are right that she is criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un, but I think it's in the context of what she perceives to be a nebulous, unproductive meeting that saw Kim gain more than Americans. I don't think that Maddow is against peace, and I don't think that Maddow is against meeting with Kim Jong-un on any reasonable terms. I'm willing to grant that (to some degree or another), her exact feelings are up to interpretation. Q: What has Kim 'gained? A: A cessation of military exercises. Shi Yinhong, an international relations expert at People's University in Beijing, said Trump's pledge to halt military maneuvers is, from China's perspective, almost "too good to be true." https://www.npr.org/2018/06/13/619464740/north-koreas-media-touts-trump-concessions-you-won-t-find-in-the-joint-statement Now, I ask you, what did we gain in exchange? How, exactly, is that in and of itself a gain? That article doesn't say, meaning you haven't answered the question. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:903176299] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pow Pow Punishment posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote> That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization.</quote> I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence.</quote> Okay, when I said she didn't say "be more aggressive," I was responding to Dore's implication, which was that Maddow wants war, and will smear any effort against war as a Putin-engineered conspiracy. I also meant she didn't say "be more aggressive" in the sense of advocating for amplified hostility. You are right that she is criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un, but I think it's in the context of what she perceives to be a nebulous, unproductive meeting that saw Kim gain more than Americans. I don't think that Maddow is against peace, and I don't think that Maddow is against meeting with Kim Jong-un on any reasonable terms. I'm willing to grant that (to some degree or another), her exact feelings are up to interpretation.</quote> Q: What has Kim 'gained? A: A cessation of military exercises. </quote> Shi Yinhong, an international relations expert at People's University in Beijing, said Trump's pledge to halt military maneuvers is, from China's perspective, almost "too good to be true." https://www.npr.org/2018/06/13/619464740/north-koreas-media-touts-trump-concessions-you-won-t-find-in-the-joint-statement Now, I ask you, what did we gain in exchange?</quote> How, exactly, is that in and of itself a gain? That article doesn't say, meaning you haven't answered the question.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Donomark 06/13/18 3:17:26 PM #46:	darkjedilink posted... Donomark posted... darkjedilink posted... Donomark posted... Pow Pow Punishment posted... Donomark posted... That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization. I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence. Okay, when I said she didn't say "be more aggressive," I was responding to Dore's implication, which was that Maddow wants war, and will smear any effort against war as a Putin-engineered conspiracy. I also meant she didn't say "be more aggressive" in the sense of advocating for amplified hostility. You are right that she is criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un, but I think it's in the context of what she perceives to be a nebulous, unproductive meeting that saw Kim gain more than Americans. I don't think that Maddow is against peace, and I don't think that Maddow is against meeting with Kim Jong-un on any reasonable terms. I'm willing to grant that (to some degree or another), her exact feelings are up to interpretation. Q: What has Kim 'gained? A: A cessation of military exercises. Shi Yinhong, an international relations expert at People's University in Beijing, said Trump's pledge to halt military maneuvers is, from China's perspective, almost "too good to be true." https://www.npr.org/2018/06/13/619464740/north-koreas-media-touts-trump-concessions-you-won-t-find-in-the-joint-statement Now, I ask you, what did we gain in exchange? How, exactly, is that in and of itself a gain? That article doesn't say, meaning you haven't answered the question. No. I did answer the question. You refused to answer my question. Instead, you're asking me to describe why the North Koreans value Trump's concession. Or, do you think that rational actors make meaningless requests amidst negotiations? Some view them to be a successful leash on North Korean aggression. "Both in South Korea and Japan, there are mixed views on the military exercises. While many support the close military co-operation with the US as a key ally for the security it provides, critics say they are an unnecessary provocation and stand in the way of easing tensions with Pyongyang. "The country's defence minister, Itsunori Onodera, said drills and the US military presence in South Korea were "vital to security in East Asia"." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44464241 Kim got what he wanted. We call that a gain. Now, tell me what we got. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ <cite>Donomark posted [p:903176939] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pow Pow Punishment posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote> That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization.</quote> I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence.</quote> Okay, when I said she didn't say "be more aggressive," I was responding to Dore's implication, which was that Maddow wants war, and will smear any effort against war as a Putin-engineered conspiracy. I also meant she didn't say "be more aggressive" in the sense of advocating for amplified hostility. You are right that she is criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un, but I think it's in the context of what she perceives to be a nebulous, unproductive meeting that saw Kim gain more than Americans. I don't think that Maddow is against peace, and I don't think that Maddow is against meeting with Kim Jong-un on any reasonable terms. I'm willing to grant that (to some degree or another), her exact feelings are up to interpretation.</quote> Q: What has Kim 'gained? A: A cessation of military exercises. </quote> Shi Yinhong, an international relations expert at People's University in Beijing, said Trump's pledge to halt military maneuvers is, from China's perspective, almost "too good to be true." https://www.npr.org/2018/06/13/619464740/north-koreas-media-touts-trump-concessions-you-won-t-find-in-the-joint-statement Now, I ask you, what did we gain in exchange?</quote> How, exactly, is that in and of itself a gain? That article doesn't say, meaning you haven't answered the question.</quote> No. I did answer the question. You refused to answer my question. Instead, you're asking me to describe why the North Koreans value Trump's concession. Or, do you think that rational actors make meaningless requests amidst negotiations? Some view them to be a successful leash on North Korean aggression. "Both in South Korea and Japan, there are mixed views on the military exercises. While many support the close military co-operation with the US as a key ally for the security it provides, critics say they are an unnecessary provocation and stand in the way of easing tensions with Pyongyang. "The country's defence minister, Itsunori Onodera, said drills and the US military presence in South Korea were "vital to security in East Asia"." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44464241 Kim got what he wanted. We call that a gain. Now, tell me what we got.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 06/13/18 3:29:25 PM #47:	Donomark posted... Kim got what he wanted. We call that a gain. Now, tell me what we got. They simply can't answer the question as the narrative hasn't been pushed to them yet --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:903177850] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote>Kim got what he wanted. We call that a gain. Now, tell me what we got. </quote> They simply can't answer the question as the narrative hasn't been pushed to them yet</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdviceMan 06/13/18 3:37:34 PM #48:	Whether the meeting is a good thing or not remains to be seen. Pretending it is a good thing prior to seeing the long term effects is silly. It is equally silly however for people to assume that it WILL overall be a bad thing. For me, I'm skeptical. NK didn't do this out of fear of force. They did get something, and Trump in return got political points. Our --->nation!!!<--- as of yet has gotten nothing. So is it a good thing? No. --- "I'm not racist but, BLM sure did make me racist." -Skasa I'm just here to offer you advice, take it or leave it. <cite>AdviceMan posted [p:903178416] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote>Whether the meeting is a good thing or not remains to be seen. Pretending it is a good thing prior to seeing the long term effects is silly. It is equally silly however for people to assume that it WILL overall be a bad thing. For me, I'm skeptical. NK didn't do this out of fear of force. They did get something, and Trump in return got political points. Our --->nation!!!<--- as of yet has gotten nothing. So is it a good thing? No.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 06/13/18 4:24:07 PM #50:	Donomark posted... darkjedilink posted... Donomark posted... darkjedilink posted... Donomark posted... Pow Pow Punishment posted... Donomark posted... That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization. I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence. Okay, when I said she didn't say "be more aggressive," I was responding to Dore's implication, which was that Maddow wants war, and will smear any effort against war as a Putin-engineered conspiracy. I also meant she didn't say "be more aggressive" in the sense of advocating for amplified hostility. You are right that she is criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un, but I think it's in the context of what she perceives to be a nebulous, unproductive meeting that saw Kim gain more than Americans. I don't think that Maddow is against peace, and I don't think that Maddow is against meeting with Kim Jong-un on any reasonable terms. I'm willing to grant that (to some degree or another), her exact feelings are up to interpretation. Q: What has Kim 'gained? A: A cessation of military exercises. Shi Yinhong, an international relations expert at People's University in Beijing, said Trump's pledge to halt military maneuvers is, from China's perspective, almost "too good to be true." https://www.npr.org/2018/06/13/619464740/north-koreas-media-touts-trump-concessions-you-won-t-find-in-the-joint-statement Now, I ask you, what did we gain in exchange? How, exactly, is that in and of itself a gain? That article doesn't say, meaning you haven't answered the question. No. I did answer the question. You refused to answer my question. Instead, you're asking me to describe why the North Koreans value Trump's concession. Or, do you think that rational actors make meaningless requests amidst negotiations? Some view them to be a successful leash on North Korean aggression. "Both in South Korea and Japan, there are mixed views on the military exercises. While many support the close military co-operation with the US as a key ally for the security it provides, critics say they are an unnecessary provocation and stand in the way of easing tensions with Pyongyang. "The country's defence minister, Itsunori Onodera, said drills and the US military presence in South Korea were "vital to security in East Asia"." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44464241 Kim got what he wanted. We call that a gain. Now, tell me what we got. The only thing Kim ever wanted was an end to those military exercises? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:903181657] in Let's see ... [t:76708200]...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Pow Pow Punishment posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote> That video was awful. Jimmy Dore just loves putting words in people's mouths. She never said "Be more aggressive!" She asked, "What are we getting?" "Ending military exercises isn't 'withdrawing our presence.' We still have more bases and troops in SK than in Japan. We will still have a fleet stationed in the South China Sea. We will still have THAAD along the border. All we are doing is suspending military exercises that MANY nations see as hostile." Okay, that's fine, but that doesn't change the rest of your mischaracterization.</quote> I actually don't like Jimmy Dore but Maddow is flat-out criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un and the alternative to detente is the same dangerous situation we've been in for decades. So her clear implication is continued belligerence.</quote> Okay, when I said she didn't say "be more aggressive," I was responding to Dore's implication, which was that Maddow wants war, and will smear any effort against war as a Putin-engineered conspiracy. I also meant she didn't say "be more aggressive" in the sense of advocating for amplified hostility. You are right that she is criticizing Trump for meeting with Kim Jong-un, but I think it's in the context of what she perceives to be a nebulous, unproductive meeting that saw Kim gain more than Americans. I don't think that Maddow is against peace, and I don't think that Maddow is against meeting with Kim Jong-un on any reasonable terms. I'm willing to grant that (to some degree or another), her exact feelings are up to interpretation.</quote> Q: What has Kim 'gained? A: A cessation of military exercises. </quote> Shi Yinhong, an international relations expert at People's University in Beijing, said Trump's pledge to halt military maneuvers is, from China's perspective, almost "too good to be true." https://www.npr.org/2018/06/13/619464740/north-koreas-media-touts-trump-concessions-you-won-t-find-in-the-joint-statement Now, I ask you, what did we gain in exchange?</quote> How, exactly, is that in and of itself a gain? That article doesn't say, meaning you haven't answered the question.</quote> No. I did answer the question. You refused to answer my question. Instead, you're asking me to describe why the North Koreans value Trump's concession. Or, do you think that rational actors make meaningless requests amidst negotiations? Some view them to be a successful leash on North Korean aggression. "Both in South Korea and Japan, there are mixed views on the military exercises. While many support the close military co-operation with the US as a key ally for the security it provides, critics say they are an unnecessary provocation and stand in the way of easing tensions with Pyongyang. "The country's defence minister, Itsunori Onodera, said drills and the US military presence in South Korea were "vital to security in East Asia"." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44464241 Kim got what he wanted. We call that a gain. Now, tell me what we got.</quote> The only thing Kim ever wanted was an end to those military exercises?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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