Poll of the Day > I got modded for telling the truth

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I said terrorists are welcome in Canada and got modded. But it's true our Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said terrorists are okay to come back and join our society. He also gave a convicted terrorists over 10 million dollars..

The mod doesn't believe me.. haha

Mods here are smart they are lol

Whos excited for E3 this year?
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FatalAccident posted...

Whos excited for E3 this year?

I thought the facial animations in Resident Evil 2's remake were really bad.

FatalAccident posted...

E3

It already passed, though.
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FatalAccident posted...

Whos excited for E3 this year?

I wasn't, but I wound up enjoying what little of it I followed.
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I can post a picture of a vagina and say that it is a vagina, and I would get banned for telling the truth.
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Repost the truth and get modded again

IBB7
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No one asked
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Yeah I get modded often on 261 because the board is basically run by libs.

Show him the news stories. The Trudeau government essentially indirectly pardoned a convicted terrorist who had planned to behead Stephen Harper.

http://torontosun.com/2017/03/03/trudeau-rewards-a-terrorist-with-citizenship/wcm/3a3bae4d-6861-4415-bba7-5676e9736bc1

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-18-terrorist-will-regain-canadian-citizenship-under-new-legislation-introduced-by-liberals
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Foppe posted...

I can post a picture of a vagina and say that it is a vagina, and I would get banned for telling the truth.

And which one of these is directly in violation of ToS?

GanglyKhan posted...

Foppe posted...

I can post a picture of a vagina and say that it is a vagina, and I would get banned for telling the truth.

And which one of these is directly in violation of ToS?

You can post Dick pics and get away with it though. Observe:

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/120418083420-dick-clark-1994-nye-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg
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Mods reply:

A Mod/Admin said on 6/13/2018 4:36:15 AM:
Canadian mod here. Yeah, no. You are twisting the reality of the situation. Offering a reintegration program and support services while closing monitoring doesn't mean Canada is appeasing terrorists.

Obvious liberal here :/

GanglyKhan posted...

Foppe posted...

I can post a picture of a vagina and say that it is a vagina, and I would get banned for telling the truth.

And which one of these is directly in violation of ToS?

Twisting news to make them sound worse is not trolling?
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xjayguyx posted...

Mods reply:

A Mod/Admin said on 6/13/2018 4:36:15 AM:
Canadian mod here. Yeah, no. You are twisting the reality of the situation. Offering a reintegration program and support services while closing monitoring doesn't mean Canada is appeasing terrorists.

Obvious liberal here :/

It's hilarious that you don't seem to realise how ridiculous you sound in this topic.
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darkknight109 posted...

xjayguyx posted...

Mods reply:

A Mod/Admin said on 6/13/2018 4:36:15 AM:
Canadian mod here. Yeah, no. You are twisting the reality of the situation. Offering a reintegration program and support services while closing monitoring doesn't mean Canada is appeasing terrorists.

Obvious liberal here :/

It's hilarious that you don't seem to realise how ridiculous you sound in this topic.

How so?

xjayguyx posted...

darkknight109 posted...

xjayguyx posted...

Mods reply:

A Mod/Admin said on 6/13/2018 4:36:15 AM:
Canadian mod here. Yeah, no. You are twisting the reality of the situation. Offering a reintegration program and support services while closing monitoring doesn't mean Canada is appeasing terrorists.

Obvious liberal here :/

It's hilarious that you don't seem to realise how ridiculous you sound in this topic.

How so?

I mean, the mod already said it - the things you're alleging in this topic have absolutely zero to do with reality. The events you're describing are so completely different from your descriptions of them you're literally just spouting nonsense at this point.
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why does reintegration need to include giving them free money? in america we don't give money to reformed criminals.

Zikten posted...

why does reintegration need to include giving them free money? in america we don't give money to reformed criminals.

Pretty much this and other reasons I shouldn't have to explain.

Zikten posted...

why does reintegration need to include giving them free money? in america we don't give money to reformed criminals.

You might be with Kim, I'm not sure on Trumps deal with him though.

xjayguyx posted...

He also gave a convicted terrorists over 10 million dollars..

The SCC ruling that said Khadr was entitled to a payout for the violations of his rights happened under Harper, and Harper spent $120 million trying to fight paying Khadr $20 million. Trudeau just stopped fighting it and settled for a lesser amount rather than dragging it out even longer. Exclusively blaming him for that $10.5 million is extremely short-sighted, and represents a gross misunderstanding of the actual situation.

Furthermore, the idea that a conviction makes flagrant human rights violations okay is completely absurd, especially when that conviction was based on a confession obtained through torture. Canadians don't let their citizens be tortured, regardless of the circumstances. You really don't want a government that thinks otherwise.

Zikten posted...

why does reintegration need to include giving them free money? in america we don't give money to reformed criminals.

And how's the recidivism rate in America looking? Attempting to reintegrate reformed criminals (especially ones that have spent a significant amount of time in a radicalized environment) without working to support them through that process is just setting them up for failure. There are limits to how much support is reasonable, certainly, but reintegrating is hard, and it's in everyone's best interests to help the process along a bit rather than paying to jail them indefinitely.
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giving them living expenses is one thing maybe......

but 10 million dollars is not right. that's a reward for terrorism

Zikten posted...

but 10 million dollars is not right. that's a reward for terrorism

adjl posted...

Exclusively blaming [Trudeau] for that $10.5 million is extremely short-sighted, and represents a gross misunderstanding of the actual situation.

Furthermore, Khadr's payout was not an example of providing support services to assist with reintegration. That was the settlement following a Supreme Court finding that Khadr's fundamental human rights as a Canadian citizen (as laid out in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms) had been violated when Canada let him be taken to Gitmo to have a confession tortured out of him, resulting in his conviction. The Canadian government paid Khadr because the Canadian government ****ed him over, and that's not a partisan thing (Khadr's capture and detention began under Chretien (LPC), continued under Martin (LPC), his conviction, transfer to Canada, appeal, eventual release, and the unanimous SCC decision that his rights had been violated happened under Harper (CPC), and the settlement happened under Trudeau (LPC)).

It's also worth noting that his conviction was for "murder in violation of the laws of war" for allegedly throwing a grenade that killed an American soldier during a firefight, which seems like a stretch to me even without considering that such an offence didn't even exist at the time of the incident. Acting like it's a war crime to kill an enemy soldier in such an ordinary manner seems pretty ridiculous to me.
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Zikten posted...

why does reintegration need to include giving them free money? in america we don't give money to reformed criminals.

Well, as both I and the mod were alluding to, what xjay is describing and what actually happened are two wildly disparate things.

The individual in question is Omar Khadr, a Canadian-born citizen who was captured in Iraq 15-ish years ago during a raid where an American medic named Chris Speer was killed by a grenade. Khadr was accused of throwing the grenade and was sent to Guantanamo Bay, where he underwent torture at the hands of the Americans, torture that the Canadian government, under three successive administrations, was aware of (and, on at least one occasion, bore witness to). He eventually confessed to killing Speer and pled guilty to Murder in Violation of the Laws of War in return for a plea agreement that saw him released from Gitmo and returned to Canada to serve out an eight year prison sentence.

This is the story you'll hear from people like xjay. Unfortunately, it also conveniently omits a few rather pertinent facts:
-Khadr consistently denied that he threw the grenade that killed Speer and only confessed after being subjected to years of torture. He was badly injured in the raid and maintained that he did not remember the battle where he was captured. Once he was repatriated to Canada, he immediately recanted his confession and insisted that his original testimony - that he cannot recall what happened - was accurate.
-Khadr was only identified as the man who threw the grenade at Speer based on the testimony of two witnesses from Speer's squadron. Both of them have since recanted their testimony and now say they do not know who threw the grenade that ultimately took Speer's life.
-Khadr's conviction did not come from a court of law, but from a widely-discredited military tribunal.
-The charge that Khadr was convicted of - Murder in Violation of the Laws of War - did not exist when Khadr was captured. It was passed into law by the Bush administration in 2006, four years after the supposed offence occurred.
-Khadr was just 15 when the attack took place, making him a child soldier (notably, the only one ever captured, prosecuted, and tortured by the United States since the Geneva Convention outlawed such treatment).

Based on a combination of the above facts, Canadian courts - despite being fought every step of the way by the then-Conservative Government of Canada - ruled that Khadr's rights had been violated and allowed him to be released from prison on parole (despite the fact his original conviction precluded that possibility). He is currently fighting to have the original conviction vacated (understandable, given that it is based on a slipshod case and a confession obtained via torture, for a crime that didn't exist when it was committed by a person who, by international law that both Canada and the US are signatories to, is ineligible for prosecution in the first place).

He also sued the government of Canada for their role in his torture. The Trudeau government, having been elected over the Harper conservatives, were advised by their legal team that they had no realistic chance of winning the case (the Supreme Court had already issued a ruling confirming that Khadr's rights had been violated) and, thus, they opted for a settlement instead of making the taxpayers pay for the trial and a judgement that would almost inevitably have been higher than the settled amount.

So yeah... that's a pretty far cry from "We welcome terrorists and give them free money."
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So xjayguyx and zikten supports the right to capture, prosecute, and torturing child soldiers.
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Zikten doesn't even know what happened. He's prone to knee-jerk reactions in whatever topic he's in.
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adjl posted...

xjayguyx posted...

He also gave a convicted terrorists over 10 million dollars..

The SCC ruling that said Khadr was entitled to a payout for the violations of his rights happened under Harper, and Harper spent $120 million trying to fight paying Khadr $20 million. Trudeau just stopped fighting it and settled for a lesser amount rather than dragging it out even longer. Exclusively blaming him for that $10.5 million is extremely short-sighted, and represents a gross misunderstanding of the actual situation.

Furthermore, the idea that a conviction makes flagrant human rights violations okay is completely absurd, especially when that conviction was based on a confession obtained through torture. Canadians don't let their citizens be tortured, regardless of the circumstances. You really don't want a government that thinks otherwise.

Zikten posted...

why does reintegration need to include giving them free money? in america we don't give money to reformed criminals.

And how's the recidivism rate in America looking? Attempting to reintegrate reformed criminals (especially ones that have spent a significant amount of time in a radicalized environment) without working to support them through that process is just setting them up for failure. There are limits to how much support is reasonable, certainly, but reintegrating is hard, and it's in everyone's best interests to help the process along a bit rather than paying to jail them indefinitely.

Should have just let the USA kill him..

Foppe posted...

So xjayguyx and zikten supports the right to capture, prosecute, and torturing child soldiers.

Terrorists yes

xjayguyx posted...

Should have just let the USA kill him..

Does the USA make a habit of killing child soldiers for no other reason than because they've managed to torture a guilty plea out of them?

If you want to object to what happened with Khadr, you need to object to the whole story, not just the part where Trudeau decided to stop fight a unanimous Supreme Court decision in a straightforward show of legal common sense.
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xjayguyx posted...

Foppe posted...

So xjayguyx and zikten supports the right to capture, prosecute, and torturing child soldiers.

Terrorists yes

See what I mean?

What xjay says is so far removed from reality and glosses over so much nuance it's basically fiction.
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xjayguyx posted...

Foppe posted...

So xjayguyx and zikten supports the right to capture, prosecute, and torturing child soldiers.

Terrorists yes

How is he a terrorist?
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Jen0125 posted...

Zikten doesn't even know what happened. He's prone to knee-jerk reactions in whatever topic he's in.

Don't get him started on the Jewish, ok?
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xjayguyx posted...

Mods reply:

A Mod/Admin said on 6/13/2018 4:36:15 AM:
Canadian mod here. Yeah, no. You are twisting the reality of the situation. Offering a reintegration program and support services while closing monitoring doesn't mean Canada is appeasing terrorists.

Obvious liberal here :/

Agreed. I don't understand how anyone can sympathise with a convicted terrorist. It's no different than if he were a pedo, imo.

Nobody saw the links I posted, I guess, because everyone here is talking about someone different.

The guy I'm mentioning (and posted links to) was not Canadian originally. It's much different than this Khadr guy, and much worse. My OP is on the first page. Check the links.

darkknight109 posted...

The individual in question is Omar Khadr, a Canadian-born citizen who was captured in Iraq 15-ish years ago during a raid where an American medic named Chris Speer was killed by a grenade.

There have been way more than just this one guy. The law the Liberals reversed applies to all of them. And I don't believe TC ever mentioned him, that was someone else who picked him on their own to suit their argumentative agenda. TC is right, 100%.
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zebatov posted...

The Trudeau government essentially indirectly pardoned a convicted terrorist who had planned to behead Stephen Harper.

idk, releasing guys who want to kill your political rivals just seems like smart politicking. Trudeau would make a great third-world despot =p
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zebatov posted...

xjayguyx posted...

Mods reply:

A Mod/Admin said on 6/13/2018 4:36:15 AM:
Canadian mod here. Yeah, no. You are twisting the reality of the situation. Offering a reintegration program and support services while closing monitoring doesn't mean Canada is appeasing terrorists.

Obvious liberal here :/

Agreed. I don't understand how anyone can sympathise with a convicted terrorist. It's no different than if he were a pedo, imo.

Nobody saw the links I posted, I guess, because everyone here is talking about someone different.

The guy I'm mentioning (and posted links to) was not Canadian originally. It's much different than this Khadr guy, and much worse. My OP is on the first page. Check the links.

darkknight109 posted...

The individual in question is Omar Khadr, a Canadian-born citizen who was captured in Iraq 15-ish years ago during a raid where an American medic named Chris Speer was killed by a grenade.

There have been way more than just this one guy. The law the Liberals reversed applies to all of them. And I don't believe TC ever mentioned him, that was someone else who picked him on their own to suit their argumentative agenda. TC is right, 100%.

Thank you :)

Zeus posted...

zebatov posted...

The Trudeau government essentially indirectly pardoned a convicted terrorist who had planned to behead Stephen Harper.

idk, releasing guys who want to kill your political rivals just seems like smart politicking. Trudeau would make a great third-world despot =p

Lol ya

Zeus posted...

idk, releasing guys who want to kill your political rivals just seems like smart politicking. Trudeau would make a great third-world despot =p

Well I think Harper is done, but it puts all of Canada at risk. The US gov knows this is going on and it creates tension there, too. Then "everyone" backs Trudeau when Trump calls him out. Trudeau (and his gov) is the problem. Nobody else.

And yes I saw the face at the end of your post.
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zebatov posted...

Nobody saw the links I posted, I guess, because everyone here is talking about someone different.

That would be because xjay referenced giving a "terrorist" over 10 million dollars. That was Khadr, not the Toronto 18.

zebatov posted...

The guy I'm mentioning (and posted links to) was not Canadian originally.

He was a Canadian at the time he committed his offence, having immigrated to Canada when he was 13.

Moreover, your own statement is also pretty detached from reality. No, Trudeau didn't "pardon" Zakaria Amara - he remains in prison serving out a life sentence, which is exactly where he was before Trudeau was elected. The only thing the Liberal government did was reverse a piece of Conservative legislation (C-24) that allowed the government to strip the citizenship of any dual citizens convicted of terrorist acts (notably, Amara was literally the only person in history that this law was used against, which should tell you something straight away). The Liberals, in essence, returned the law to the way it was prior to Stephen Harper's election. That's a far cry from a pardon and it's still likely that Amara will die in prison; the only thing that's different is that if he shows enough rehabilitation and progress to make parole, he will be allowed to remain in Canada rather than be deported to Jordan, a country he hasn't lived in since he was four years old.

Obviously this is a more subjective case, but I don't look at this as a terrible thing. Parole is supposed to indicate that an inmate has made enough progress in their attempts at rehabilitation that we as a society are willing to put a degree of our trust in them. That being the case, there's no logical reason why they should be punished further at that point - their debt to society has, according to our laws, been paid.

Now you may disagree and that's fine. Go ahead and argue that point and we can have a discussion on it. But do yourself a favour and make it a grown-up discussion by leaving the gross mischaracterizations of what actually happened at home. If you want to argue that this legislation is misguided, that's fine, but you don't need to lie and suggest that Trudeau pardoned a terrorist when he actually did no such thing in order to make that point.
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Oh I didnt realise E3 was over

What games is yall excited for
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