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Kyuubi4269 06/13/18 8:23:39 PM #51:	DPsx7 posted... You cannot change what's on the disc. Good gravy, has it been that long that you forgot everything? Steam has ruined you people. Master race my ass... So you seriously think your disc is just the game by itself? It's heavily buried in DRM, it doesn't need to write to tell you you can't read. DPsx7 posted... Well no it didn't use those words but that's what was implied. I wanted to play. Had no internet. HL2 refused to work at all which pissed me off. I even bought the disc to avoid the nonsense. Lesson was don't support Valve ever again. Ha I wish I had millions of games. Hundreds, maybe a thousand in the whole collection. HL2 was the sole problem. LOL Where's your disc protection there? Bro, you made my argument, discs don't protect you from not being able to play your game. DPsx7 posted... Any kind of forced, repeated check in is bad for the market. Luckily the majority didn't stand for it. This is also why I say physical isn't going away anytime soon. It would be suicide for the platform to go digital. Ouya and PSP Go didn't thrive, XB was shot down. What more proof do you need? On top of that we're battling ISP's and their prices, caps, bandwidth. Games are getting more and more complicated. These things will never mesh together. Note the lack of necessary check ins. --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:903198521] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>You cannot change what's on the disc. Good gravy, has it been that long that you forgot everything? Steam has ruined you people. Master race my ass...</quote> So you seriously think your disc is just the game by itself? It's heavily buried in DRM, it doesn't need to write to tell you you can't read. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Well no it didn't use those words but that's what was implied. I wanted to play. Had no internet. HL2 refused to work at all which pissed me off. I even bought the disc to avoid the nonsense. Lesson was don't support Valve ever again. Ha I wish I had millions of games. Hundreds, maybe a thousand in the whole collection. HL2 was the sole problem.</quote> LOL Where's your disc protection there? Bro, you made my argument, discs don't protect you from not being able to play your game. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Any kind of forced, repeated check in is bad for the market. Luckily the majority didn't stand for it. This is also why I say physical isn't going away anytime soon. It would be suicide for the platform to go digital. Ouya and PSP Go didn't thrive, XB was shot down. What more proof do you need? On top of that we're battling ISP's and their prices, caps, bandwidth. Games are getting more and more complicated. These things will never mesh together.</quote> Note the lack of necessary check ins.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/13/18 9:25:52 PM #52:	Kyuubi4269 posted... DPsx7 posted... You cannot change what's on the disc. Good gravy, has it been that long that you forgot everything? Steam has ruined you people. Master race my ass... So you seriously think your disc is just the game by itself? It's heavily buried in DRM, it doesn't need to write to tell you you can't read. DPsx7 posted... Well no it didn't use those words but that's what was implied. I wanted to play. Had no internet. HL2 refused to work at all which pissed me off. I even bought the disc to avoid the nonsense. Lesson was don't support Valve ever again. Ha I wish I had millions of games. Hundreds, maybe a thousand in the whole collection. HL2 was the sole problem. LOL Where's your disc protection there? Bro, you made my argument, discs don't protect you from not being able to play your game. DPsx7 posted... Any kind of forced, repeated check in is bad for the market. Luckily the majority didn't stand for it. This is also why I say physical isn't going away anytime soon. It would be suicide for the platform to go digital. Ouya and PSP Go didn't thrive, XB was shot down. What more proof do you need? On top of that we're battling ISP's and their prices, caps, bandwidth. Games are getting more and more complicated. These things will never mesh together. Note the lack of necessary check ins. There's no 'off' switch if that's what you mean. Plug it in and it works. Just like every other cart and disc I own. Ah, but that was because the disc and game were infected with Steam. The basis of this whole argument really. Buy a game with Steam - doesn't work even on disc. Buy anything else - works fine. What lack of check in's? XB had to dump it because of backlash. Steam doesn't care enough about you to remove it. I know when I had it the crap phoned home every so often. A current user said it still does. All this means is we're not going all digital anytime soon. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903202843] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>You cannot change what's on the disc. Good gravy, has it been that long that you forgot everything? Steam has ruined you people. Master race my ass...</quote> So you seriously think your disc is just the game by itself? It's heavily buried in DRM, it doesn't need to write to tell you you can't read. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Well no it didn't use those words but that's what was implied. I wanted to play. Had no internet. HL2 refused to work at all which pissed me off. I even bought the disc to avoid the nonsense. Lesson was don't support Valve ever again. Ha I wish I had millions of games. Hundreds, maybe a thousand in the whole collection. HL2 was the sole problem.</quote> LOL Where's your disc protection there? Bro, you made my argument, discs don't protect you from not being able to play your game. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Any kind of forced, repeated check in is bad for the market. Luckily the majority didn't stand for it. This is also why I say physical isn't going away anytime soon. It would be suicide for the platform to go digital. Ouya and PSP Go didn't thrive, XB was shot down. What more proof do you need? On top of that we're battling ISP's and their prices, caps, bandwidth. Games are getting more and more complicated. These things will never mesh together.</quote> Note the lack of necessary check ins.</quote> There's no 'off' switch if that's what you mean. Plug it in and it works. Just like every other cart and disc I own. Ah, but that was because the disc and game were infected with Steam. The basis of this whole argument really. Buy a game with Steam - doesn't work even on disc. Buy anything else - works fine. What lack of check in's? XB had to dump it because of backlash. Steam doesn't care enough about you to remove it. I know when I had it the crap phoned home every so often. A current user said it still does. All this means is we're not going all digital anytime soon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/13/18 9:48:54 PM #53:	DPsx7 posted... I think we've confirmed Steam users aren't that knowledgeable. Oh? By all means, please indicate (using direct quotes) where we've confirmed this. Where I'm standing, the only ignorance confirmed here has been yours. DPsx7 posted... They would literally need to come here and take the disc. That's the only way. An offline console certainly wouldn't know the difference. These days, most new games require day one patches to work anyway, even when purchased physically. You're going to be very hard-pressed to keep your console offline forever, and once it's online, it wouldn't take long at all to render it unable to read your copy. Furthermore, if you're issued a legal order to stop using the license, continuing to use it would open you up to lawsuits regardless of whether or not they can actually deactivate your game. Of course, this is all entirely academic anyway. You'd be hard-pressed to find an example of Valve or any other digital distributor taking away people's digital games arbitrarily (as in, not in response to flagrant license violations that very rightfully warrant revocation), so worrying this much about such a hypothetical situation is just baseless paranoia. DPsx7 posted... Steam doesn't care enough about you to remove it. I know when I had it the crap phoned home every so often. A current user said it still does. Further research on the matter is telling me that I was mistaken, and any limits on how long offline mode can be sustained are enforced on a game-by-game basis. You can safely discount what I said on the matter; offline mode lasts indefinitely. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:903204449] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>I think we've confirmed Steam users aren't that knowledgeable.</quote> Oh? By all means, please indicate (using direct quotes) where we've confirmed this. Where I'm standing, the only ignorance confirmed here has been yours. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>They would literally need to come here and take the disc. That's the only way. An offline console certainly wouldn't know the difference.</quote> These days, most new games require day one patches to work anyway, even when purchased physically. You're going to be very hard-pressed to keep your console offline forever, and once it's online, it wouldn't take long at all to render it unable to read your copy. Furthermore, if you're issued a legal order to stop using the license, continuing to use it would open you up to lawsuits regardless of whether or not they can actually deactivate your game. Of course, this is all entirely academic anyway. You'd be hard-pressed to find an example of Valve or any other digital distributor taking away people's digital games arbitrarily (as in, not in response to flagrant license violations that very rightfully warrant revocation), so worrying this much about such a hypothetical situation is just baseless paranoia. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Steam doesn't care enough about you to remove it. I know when I had it the crap phoned home every so often. A current user said it still does.</quote> Further research on the matter is telling me that I was mistaken, and any limits on how long offline mode can be sustained are enforced on a game-by-game basis. You can safely discount what I said on the matter; offline mode lasts indefinitely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VixYW 06/14/18 8:48:57 AM #54:	adjl posted... These days, most new games require day one patches to work anyway, even when purchased physically. You're going to be very hard-pressed to keep your console offline forever, and once it's online, it wouldn't take long at all to render it unable to read your copy. Furthermore, if you're issued a legal order to stop using the license, continuing to use it would open you up to lawsuits regardless of whether or not they can actually deactivate your game. Not trying to pick sides here, but even in the remote possibility of an update making the game stop working, you can still: 1. Not update the game, given that you found out it will make it stop working from other people; 2. Clean up the HD of the console and it will work again, but without the possible updates that you had before (unless there is some external manual way to install those, I wouldn't be surprised if there was) Meanwhile Steam can just shutdown one day and, since the client often refuses to work offline (at least for me), users would be screwed. Of course, it would be stupid and I doubt it'll ever happen, but it's possible and there would be nothing to be done about it. <cite>VixYW posted [p:903229377] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>These days, most new games require day one patches to work anyway, even when purchased physically. You're going to be very hard-pressed to keep your console offline forever, and once it's online, it wouldn't take long at all to render it unable to read your copy. Furthermore, if you're issued a legal order to stop using the license, continuing to use it would open you up to lawsuits regardless of whether or not they can actually deactivate your game.</quote> Not trying to pick sides here, but even in the remote possibility of an update making the game stop working, you can still: 1. Not update the game, given that you found out it will make it stop working from other people; 2. Clean up the HD of the console and it will work again, but without the possible updates that you had before (unless there is some external manual way to install those, I wouldn't be surprised if there was) Meanwhile Steam can just shutdown one day and, since the client often refuses to work offline (at least for me), users would be screwed. Of course, it would be stupid and I doubt it'll ever happen, but it's possible and there would be nothing to be done about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/14/18 9:41:02 AM #55:	adjl posted... DPsx7 posted... I think we've confirmed Steam users aren't that knowledgeable. Oh? By all means, please indicate (using direct quotes) where we've confirmed this. Where I'm standing, the only ignorance confirmed here has been yours. DPsx7 posted... They would literally need to come here and take the disc. That's the only way. An offline console certainly wouldn't know the difference. These days, most new games require day one patches to work anyway, even when purchased physically. You're going to be very hard-pressed to keep your console offline forever, and once it's online, it wouldn't take long at all to render it unable to read your copy. Furthermore, if you're issued a legal order to stop using the license, continuing to use it would open you up to lawsuits regardless of whether or not they can actually deactivate your game. Of course, this is all entirely academic anyway. You'd be hard-pressed to find an example of Valve or any other digital distributor taking away people's digital games arbitrarily (as in, not in response to flagrant license violations that very rightfully warrant revocation), so worrying this much about such a hypothetical situation is just baseless paranoia. DPsx7 posted... Steam doesn't care enough about you to remove it. I know when I had it the crap phoned home every so often. A current user said it still does. Further research on the matter is telling me that I was mistaken, and any limits on how long offline mode can be sustained are enforced on a game-by-game basis. You can safely discount what I said on the matter; offline mode lasts indefinitely. You need quotes? Go reread your comments on discs. Oh wait, Steam users are too dumb to know when they're wrong. That's why you use it in the first place. Now I see the loophole. They don't require them. I've started many without waiting for patches. It's only necessary if you play online and a huge chunk of my collection is SP. It's actually quite easy - you don't set it up to do so. I haven't used a Nin console online since the DS. Outside of profiting from the game a license means nothing to me. They're unable to take the physical copy or license. Digital just needs to be switched off. Or maybe your account gets hacked which compromises the whole library. It's amazing you haven't gotten this idea yet. Yet you call me ignorant. Lol. 'Enforced game by game' doesn't sound like offline indefinitely. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903231732] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>I think we've confirmed Steam users aren't that knowledgeable.</quote> Oh? By all means, please indicate (using direct quotes) where we've confirmed this. Where I'm standing, the only ignorance confirmed here has been yours. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>They would literally need to come here and take the disc. That's the only way. An offline console certainly wouldn't know the difference.</quote> These days, most new games require day one patches to work anyway, even when purchased physically. You're going to be very hard-pressed to keep your console offline forever, and once it's online, it wouldn't take long at all to render it unable to read your copy. Furthermore, if you're issued a legal order to stop using the license, continuing to use it would open you up to lawsuits regardless of whether or not they can actually deactivate your game. Of course, this is all entirely academic anyway. You'd be hard-pressed to find an example of Valve or any other digital distributor taking away people's digital games arbitrarily (as in, not in response to flagrant license violations that very rightfully warrant revocation), so worrying this much about such a hypothetical situation is just baseless paranoia. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Steam doesn't care enough about you to remove it. I know when I had it the crap phoned home every so often. A current user said it still does.</quote> Further research on the matter is telling me that I was mistaken, and any limits on how long offline mode can be sustained are enforced on a game-by-game basis. You can safely discount what I said on the matter; offline mode lasts indefinitely.</quote> You need quotes? Go reread your comments on discs. Oh wait, Steam users are too dumb to know when they're wrong. That's why you use it in the first place. Now I see the loophole. They don't require them. I've started many without waiting for patches. It's only necessary if you play online and a huge chunk of my collection is SP. It's actually quite easy - you don't set it up to do so. I haven't used a Nin console online since the DS. Outside of profiting from the game a license means nothing to me. They're unable to take the physical copy or license. Digital just needs to be switched off. Or maybe your account gets hacked which compromises the whole library. It's amazing you haven't gotten this idea yet. Yet you call me ignorant. Lol. 'Enforced game by game' doesn't sound like offline indefinitely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/14/18 9:46:19 AM #56:	VixYW posted... Meanwhile Steam can just shutdown one day and, since the client often refuses to work offline (at least for me), users would be screwed. Of course, it would be stupid and I doubt it'll ever happen, but it's possible and there would be nothing to be done about it. This is what's important. While we've seen some less critical items disappear and few people affected so far, it's the fact it CAN happen. When it does, it's too late to do anything. Digital isn't cheap enough to give away my power to choose when and where I'll play. Steam proved with their very first game that they can withhold something I paid for and they should be punished for it. But for the same reason Madden and CoD still sell there are just too many incompetent people handing over their money. This needs to change. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903232012] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>VixYW posted...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile Steam can just shutdown one day and, since the client often refuses to work offline (at least for me), users would be screwed. Of course, it would be stupid and I doubt it'll ever happen, but it's possible and there would be nothing to be done about it.</quote> This is what's important. While we've seen some less critical items disappear and few people affected so far, it's the fact it CAN happen. When it does, it's too late to do anything. Digital isn't cheap enough to give away my power to choose when and where I'll play. Steam proved with their very first game that they can withhold something I paid for and they should be punished for it. But for the same reason Madden and CoD still sell there are just too many incompetent people handing over their money. This needs to change.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
man101 06/15/18 12:53:38 AM #57:	DPsx7 posted... man101 posted... DPsx7 posted... What I DO own is that specific copy to play when and where I want. Sure, provided you bring along the specific console required for your game of choice and you have a tv with the proper input jacks to hook it up to, and the game hasn't degraded or broken like internal batteries and copper components do on some older cartridges. Meanwhile I'll be sitting at any desktop or laptop on earth and all I need is my password and enough hard drive space and Steam will install the game and move my save files from the cloud. I've sat on many 4 hour bus rides with my laptop playing games from any number of old consoles via steam, all while offline. How horribly inconvenient. Notice how literally everyone in this topic is on one side of the argument and you're on the other? That's usually an indication that you're wrong, or in this case, that your opinion is trash. I have all that. Or portables for those cases when I don't have them. Sounds an awful lot like you need internet or you get nothing. Yes, very inconvenient. I like my games to work and Steam prevents that. Or as an alternative I could set up emulators. Same thing without the malware. What says YOU aren't all wrong? I won't underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. If I walked into a meeting of flat-earthers (Steam users) saying the planet is round (Steam sucks), I'd still be right even if I was the only one saying so. You just acknowledged that you have separate consoles for when you can't play your preferred games. My laptop can play all my steam games wherever I am, regardless of what other technology is available and I don't have to plug it into anything. Also you clearly didn't read what I wrote because I said I do all that offline You changed my argument to the opposite of what I said so it conformed to your argument. --- \\[T]// Praise the Sun <cite>man101 posted [p:903288611] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>man101 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>What I DO own is that specific copy to play when and where I want.</quote> Sure, provided you bring along the specific console required for your game of choice and you have a tv with the proper input jacks to hook it up to, and the game hasn't degraded or broken like internal batteries and copper components do on some older cartridges. Meanwhile I'll be sitting at any desktop or laptop on earth and all I need is my password and enough hard drive space and Steam will install the game and move my save files from the cloud. I've sat on many 4 hour bus rides with my laptop playing games from any number of old consoles via steam, all while offline. How horribly inconvenient. Notice how literally everyone in this topic is on one side of the argument and you're on the other? That's usually an indication that you're wrong, or in this case, that your opinion is trash.</quote> I have all that. Or portables for those cases when I don't have them. Sounds an awful lot like you need internet or you get nothing. Yes, very inconvenient. I like my games to work and Steam prevents that. Or as an alternative I could set up emulators. Same thing without the malware. What says YOU aren't all wrong? I won't underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. If I walked into a meeting of flat-earthers (Steam users) saying the planet is round (Steam sucks), I'd still be right even if I was the only one saying so.</quote> You just acknowledged that you have separate consoles for when you can't play your preferred games. My laptop can play all my steam games wherever I am, regardless of what other technology is available and I don't have to plug it into anything. Also you clearly didn't read what I wrote because I said I do all that offline You changed my argument to the opposite of what I said so it conformed to your argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 06/15/18 3:17:24 AM #58:	man101 posted... DPsx7 posted... Consoles aren't infected with Steam though. Yeah, ... freedom to access your games from any PC ... really blows. I hate how I can do that on any Xbox, too. --- lolmodhagomi <cite>zebatov posted [p:903293500] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>man101 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Consoles aren't infected with Steam though.</quote> Yeah, ... freedom to access your games from any PC ... really blows.</quote> I hate how I can do that on any Xbox, too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil69Leo 06/15/18 3:22:38 AM #59:	DPsx7 posted... man101 posted... DPsx7 posted... Consoles aren't infected with Steam though. Yeah, having frequent sales of 50-90% off, freedom to access your games from any PC, and the ability to sell useless trading cards for additional store credit really blows. Considering you're not getting a disc/case/manual, 90% off is only a fair price. Uh huh freedom. Including not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode or a forced update. Why would you buy cards in the first place? It's not worth the effort. You can't place Steam in a positive light. Tried it once and I haven't used a PC for gaming in 10+ years. And yet none of the consoles give us discounts like that. <cite>Lil69Leo posted [p:903293623] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>man101 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Consoles aren't infected with Steam though.</quote> Yeah, having frequent sales of 50-90% off, freedom to access your games from any PC, and the ability to sell useless trading cards for additional store credit really blows.</quote> Considering you're not getting a disc/case/manual, 90% off is only a fair price. Uh huh freedom. Including not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode or a forced update. Why would you buy cards in the first place? It's not worth the effort. You can't place Steam in a positive light. Tried it once and I haven't used a PC for gaming in 10+ years.</quote> And yet none of the consoles give us discounts like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 06/15/18 3:57:01 AM #60:	DPsx7 posted... infected with Steam Lol. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:903294451] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>infected with Steam</quote> Lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
man101 06/15/18 2:10:12 PM #61:	zebatov posted... man101 posted... DPsx7 posted... Consoles aren't infected with Steam though. Yeah, ... freedom to access your games from any PC ... really blows. I hate how I can do that on any Xbox, too. I haven't owned a console since the ps3 so I don't know if the new xbox can do that or not. If it can, all that means is it has adopted a feature Steam has had for a decade, which means at best the argument is that the Xbox is equal to Steam, not superior. --- \\[T]// Praise the Sun <cite>man101 posted [p:903319384] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>zebatov posted...</cite> <quote><cite>man101 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Consoles aren't infected with Steam though.</quote> Yeah, ... freedom to access your games from any PC ... really blows.</quote> I hate how I can do that on any Xbox, too.</quote> I haven't owned a console since the ps3 so I don't know if the new xbox can do that or not. If it can, all that means is it has adopted a feature Steam has had for a decade, which means at best the argument is that the Xbox is equal to Steam, not superior.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/15/18 2:55:32 PM #62:	DPsx7 posted... You need quotes? If you can't produce a concrete basis for a claim, you shouldn't make that claim. Comments like "you'd be too dumb to recognize concrete proof anyway so I won't give you any" don't make you any more credible. DPsx7 posted... They don't require them. I've started many without waiting for patches. In which case you're probably missing out on some pretty significant bug fixes. That's not exactly the best idea. DPsx7 posted... Outside of profiting from the game a license means nothing to me. A license is the only reason you're legally able to play the game. That's what you pay for when you buy a disc. It's unlikely to ever be revoked unless you try to use it to make money in a manner that violates the license agreement, but that is in fact all you have, and it can be revoked if you violate those terms. DPsx7 posted... Digital just needs to be switched off. Or maybe your account gets hacked which compromises the whole library. It's amazing you haven't gotten this idea yet. It is indeed easier, but that doesn't make it any more likely. Just as your license can be revoked if you violate the EULA, they can't revoke your license unless you violate the EULA. If they do so without just cause, you're in a decent position to sue them. DPsx7 posted... 'Enforced game by game' doesn't sound like offline indefinitely. As far as Steam's policies go? It is. If there's a limit on offline mode, it's because the publisher of the game decided there should be, in which case the blame belongs entirely to them. DPsx7 posted... This is what's important. While we've seen some less critical items disappear and few people affected so far, it's the fact it CAN happen. When it does, it's too late to do anything. You're gonna need a citation for that. In any case where something has been pulled from the store, people who own copies are still able to install and play the copies they own. That's been seen multiple times. VixYW posted... Not trying to pick sides here, but even in the remote possibility of an update making the game stop working, you can still: 1. Not update the game, given that you found out it will make it stop working from other people; 2. Clean up the HD of the console and it will work again, but without the possible updates that you had before (unless there is some external manual way to install those, I wouldn't be surprised if there was) Meanwhile Steam can just shutdown one day and, since the client often refuses to work offline (at least for me), users would be screwed. Of course, it would be stupid and I doubt it'll ever happen, but it's possible and there would be nothing to be done about it. Patching a game into non-functionality would likely happen at the console level, rather than the game's files. The only way to get around that would be a factory reset. Remember that this is a question of the game's publisher deciding to stop one person from playing the game, not releasing a game-breaking update (which are almost always fixed immediately) to everyone. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:903322384] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>You need quotes?</quote> If you can't produce a concrete basis for a claim, you shouldn't make that claim. Comments like "you'd be too dumb to recognize concrete proof anyway so I won't give you any" don't make you any more credible. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>They don't require them. I've started many without waiting for patches.</quote> In which case you're probably missing out on some pretty significant bug fixes. That's not exactly the best idea. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Outside of profiting from the game a license means nothing to me.</quote> A license is the only reason you're legally able to play the game. That's what you pay for when you buy a disc. It's unlikely to ever be revoked unless you try to use it to make money in a manner that violates the license agreement, but that is in fact all you have, and it can be revoked if you violate those terms. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Digital just needs to be switched off. Or maybe your account gets hacked which compromises the whole library. It's amazing you haven't gotten this idea yet.</quote> It is indeed easier, but that doesn't make it any more likely. Just as your license can be revoked if you violate the EULA, they can't revoke your license unless you violate the EULA. If they do so without just cause, you're in a decent position to sue them. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>'Enforced game by game' doesn't sound like offline indefinitely.</quote> As far as Steam's policies go? It is. If there's a limit on offline mode, it's because the publisher of the game decided there should be, in which case the blame belongs entirely to them. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>This is what's important. While we've seen some less critical items disappear and few people affected so far, it's the fact it CAN happen. When it does, it's too late to do anything. </quote> You're gonna need a citation for that. In any case where something has been pulled from the store, people who own copies are still able to install and play the copies they own. That's been seen multiple times. <cite>VixYW posted...</cite> <quote>Not trying to pick sides here, but even in the remote possibility of an update making the game stop working, you can still: 1. Not update the game, given that you found out it will make it stop working from other people; 2. Clean up the HD of the console and it will work again, but without the possible updates that you had before (unless there is some external manual way to install those, I wouldn't be surprised if there was) Meanwhile Steam can just shutdown one day and, since the client often refuses to work offline (at least for me), users would be screwed. Of course, it would be stupid and I doubt it'll ever happen, but it's possible and there would be nothing to be done about it.</quote> Patching a game into non-functionality would likely happen at the console level, rather than the game's files. The only way to get around that would be a factory reset. Remember that this is a question of the game's publisher deciding to stop one person from playing the game, not releasing a game-breaking update (which are almost always fixed immediately) to everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VixYW 06/18/18 3:14:39 PM #63:	adjl posted... Patching a game into non-functionality would likely happen at the console level, rather than the game's files. I really can't see how that could happen. <cite>VixYW posted [p:903510049] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Patching a game into non-functionality would likely happen at the console level, rather than the game's files.</quote> I really can't see how that could happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/18/18 6:50:45 PM #64:	Geez are you morons still trying to convince yourselves that Steam is good? Give it up. I offered my examples and proof which is backed up with actual experience. If the argument was just digital versus physical, well I made my point there too. Discs are cheaper and more reliable. No accounts or internet access needed. It's too damn hot here to turn this into another essay. I'll reply to any questions later. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903523062] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote>Geez are you morons still trying to convince yourselves that Steam is good? Give it up. I offered my examples and proof which is backed up with actual experience. If the argument was just digital versus physical, well I made my point there too. Discs are cheaper and more reliable. No accounts or internet access needed. It's too damn hot here to turn this into another essay. I'll reply to any questions later.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 06/18/18 7:30:21 PM #65:	DPsx7 posted... Geez are you morons still trying to convince yourselves that Steam is good? Give it up. I offered my examples and proof which is backed up with actual experience. If the argument was just digital versus physical, well I made my point there too. Discs are cheaper and more reliable. No accounts or internet access needed. It's too damn hot here to turn this into another essay. I'll reply to any questions later. You used it once 10 years ago and claimed Steam is an infection. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:903524973] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Geez are you morons still trying to convince yourselves that Steam is good? Give it up. I offered my examples and proof which is backed up with actual experience. If the argument was just digital versus physical, well I made my point there too. Discs are cheaper and more reliable. No accounts or internet access needed. It's too damn hot here to turn this into another essay. I'll reply to any questions later.</quote> You used it once 10 years ago and claimed Steam is an infection.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/18/18 8:12:24 PM #66:	Revelation34 posted... DPsx7 posted... You used it once 10 years ago and claimed Steam is an infection. Yup. A bulletproof argument if there was one. Look, my problems with digital are all very recent and the Steam malware 'is' digital so the whole thing gets tossed together. You can't resell digital. And if you don't have access to their servers you won't get crap. Most games will function well enough without patches so that disc is good insurance that I'll be able to play it again whenever I want. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903527399] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> You used it once 10 years ago and claimed Steam is an infection.</quote> Yup. A bulletproof argument if there was one. Look, my problems with digital are all very recent and the Steam malware 'is' digital so the whole thing gets tossed together. You can't resell digital. And if you don't have access to their servers you won't get crap. Most games will function well enough without patches so that disc is good insurance that I'll be able to play it again whenever I want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 06/18/18 11:58:31 PM #67:	DPsx7 posted... Revelation34 posted... DPsx7 posted... You used it once 10 years ago and claimed Steam is an infection. Yup. A bulletproof argument if there was one. Look, my problems with digital are all very recent and the Steam malware 'is' digital so the whole thing gets tossed together. You can't resell digital. And if you don't have access to their servers you won't get crap. Most games will function well enough without patches so that disc is good insurance that I'll be able to play it again whenever I want. LOL. You have no idea what malware is. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:903540721] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> You used it once 10 years ago and claimed Steam is an infection.</quote> Yup. A bulletproof argument if there was one. Look, my problems with digital are all very recent and the Steam malware 'is' digital so the whole thing gets tossed together. You can't resell digital. And if you don't have access to their servers you won't get crap. Most games will function well enough without patches so that disc is good insurance that I'll be able to play it again whenever I want.</quote> LOL. You have no idea what malware is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
man101 06/21/18 1:01:06 PM #68:	DPsx7 posted... I offered my examples and proof Yeah you offered up one old anecdote which is not applicable to anything else and a bunch of cynical fearmongering about revoked licenses which literally never happens. And a whole lot of things that are just objectively false. You keep bringing up that if Steam is ever down that all the games are lost. But it has been pointed ad fucking nauseam out that all single player games can be played 100% offline. You're just wrong. --- \\[T]// Praise the Sun <cite>man101 posted [p:903696792] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>I offered my examples and proof</quote> Yeah you offered up one old anecdote which is not applicable to anything else and a bunch of cynical fearmongering about revoked licenses which literally never happens. And a whole lot of things that are just objectively false. You keep bringing up that if Steam is ever down that all the games are lost. But it has been pointed ad fucking nauseam out that all single player games can be played 100% offline. You're just wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/21/18 1:31:11 PM #69:	VixYW posted... adjl posted... Patching a game into non-functionality would likely happen at the console level, rather than the game's files. I really can't see how that could happen. -Publisher decides that a license holder should no longer be able to use a game (for whatever reason) -Publisher determines which copy of that game license holder has (discs are uniquely identified) -Publisher gets hardware company to push out firmware update that blocks all copies of that system from being able to play that copy of the disc -Next time ex-license holder takes their system online, their physical copy of the game will no longer work In all likelihood, what would actually happen is that the former license holder would be issued a fine for whatever violation they committed to warrant revoking the license, since that's a pretty convoluted method, but it would still be possible. It's also almost assuredly never going to happen, since taking paying customers' games away from them is extremely bad PR, regardless of the medium. DPsx7 posted... And if you don't have access to their servers you won't get crap. Most games will function well enough without patches If you simply don't have internet, that's one thing, but voluntarily keeping your systems permanently disconnected is going to make you miss out on some pretty useful and/or important stuff in patches, including free content updates (quite a few Nintendo games have had these) and fixes for major bugs, even without looking at DLC (which can be a very worthwhile addition to games). Depriving yourself of that over pointless paranoia is just silly. The Internet isn't going to break your games. Quite the opposite, in most cases. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:903698509] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>VixYW posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Patching a game into non-functionality would likely happen at the console level, rather than the game's files.</quote> I really can't see how that could happen.</quote> -Publisher decides that a license holder should no longer be able to use a game (for whatever reason) -Publisher determines which copy of that game license holder has (discs are uniquely identified) -Publisher gets hardware company to push out firmware update that blocks all copies of that system from being able to play that copy of the disc -Next time ex-license holder takes their system online, their physical copy of the game will no longer work In all likelihood, what would actually happen is that the former license holder would be issued a fine for whatever violation they committed to warrant revoking the license, since that's a pretty convoluted method, but it would still be possible. It's also almost assuredly never going to happen, since taking paying customers' games away from them is extremely bad PR, regardless of the medium. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>And if you don't have access to their servers you won't get crap. Most games will function well enough without patches</quote> If you simply don't have internet, that's one thing, but voluntarily keeping your systems permanently disconnected is going to make you miss out on some pretty useful and/or important stuff in patches, including free content updates (quite a few Nintendo games have had these) and fixes for major bugs, even without looking at DLC (which can be a very worthwhile addition to games). Depriving yourself of that over pointless paranoia is just silly. The Internet isn't going to break your games. Quite the opposite, in most cases.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VixYW 06/21/18 4:11:43 PM #70:	adjl posted... VixYW posted... adjl posted... Patching a game into non-functionality would likely happen at the console level, rather than the game's files. I really can't see how that could happen. -Publisher decides that a license holder should no longer be able to use a game (for whatever reason) -Publisher determines which copy of that game license holder has (discs are uniquely identified) -Publisher gets hardware company to push out firmware update that blocks all copies of that system from being able to play that copy of the disc -Next time ex-license holder takes their system online, their physical copy of the game will no longer work In all likelihood, what would actually happen is that the former license holder would be issued a fine for whatever violation they committed to warrant revoking the license, since that's a pretty convoluted method, but it would still be possible. It's also almost assuredly never going to happen, since taking paying customers' games away from them is extremely bad PR, regardless of the medium. All of that would require you to accept the update - unless the console OS has some kind of function to force it, but even then, you can just avoid it by not going online. <cite>VixYW posted [p:903708641] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VixYW posted...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Patching a game into non-functionality would likely happen at the console level, rather than the game's files.</quote> I really can't see how that could happen.</quote> -Publisher decides that a license holder should no longer be able to use a game (for whatever reason) -Publisher determines which copy of that game license holder has (discs are uniquely identified) -Publisher gets hardware company to push out firmware update that blocks all copies of that system from being able to play that copy of the disc -Next time ex-license holder takes their system online, their physical copy of the game will no longer work In all likelihood, what would actually happen is that the former license holder would be issued a fine for whatever violation they committed to warrant revoking the license, since that's a pretty convoluted method, but it would still be possible. It's also almost assuredly never going to happen, since taking paying customers' games away from them is extremely bad PR, regardless of the medium.</quote> All of that would require you to accept the update - unless the console OS has some kind of function to force it, but even then, you can just avoid it by not going online.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/21/18 4:43:22 PM #71:	man101 posted... DPsx7 posted... I offered my examples and proof Yeah you offered up one old anecdote which is not applicable to anything else and a bunch of cynical fearmongering about revoked licenses which literally never happens. And a whole lot of things that are just objectively false. You keep bringing up that if Steam is ever down that all the games are lost. But it has been pointed ad fucking nauseam out that all single player games can be played 100% offline. You're just wrong. Experience cannot be wrong. Nothing I've said is false. Why would I make this up? The root of the problem is Steam users live in ignorance. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903710547] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>man101 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>I offered my examples and proof</quote> Yeah you offered up one old anecdote which is not applicable to anything else and a bunch of cynical fearmongering about revoked licenses which literally never happens. And a whole lot of things that are just objectively false. You keep bringing up that if Steam is ever down that all the games are lost. But it has been pointed ad fucking nauseam out that all single player games can be played 100% offline. You're just wrong.</quote> Experience cannot be wrong. Nothing I've said is false. Why would I make this up? The root of the problem is Steam users live in ignorance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/21/18 4:55:00 PM #72:	adjl posted... DPsx7 posted... If you simply don't have internet, that's one thing, but voluntarily keeping your systems permanently disconnected is going to make you miss out on some pretty useful and/or important stuff in patches, including free content updates (quite a few Nintendo games have had these) and fixes for major bugs, even without looking at DLC (which can be a very worthwhile addition to games). Depriving yourself of that over pointless paranoia is just silly. The Internet isn't going to break your games. Quite the opposite, in most cases. I usually have internet unless they're working on something. I'm not lying when saying my 3DS was online once or twice ever, my U hasn't seen the internet, and (this is embarrassing) I've yet to use my Switch because of everything else I want to finish. Since you'll ask why, it's because I tend not to bother with DLC. Same goes for my Sony systems. With so many discs ahead of me I go through the SP, maybe dabble in the MP, and move to the next game without so much as looking at DLC even when free. I know I'm missing stuff but it's not like I'm short of things to play. Maybe you recall my saying I'm like 2 years behind. Often when opening a game there's a HUGE patch. I don't always wait. I started Bloodborne and UC4 without their patches. The former stunk and the latter eventually finished since I went online for an hour or two. Who plays UC for the MP anyway? So uh, this is kinda separate from my whole digital vs physical argument, or why Steam should be banned. While they're sorta related, trying to discuss all of them together makes this topic longer than it needs to be. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903711289] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote> If you simply don't have internet, that's one thing, but voluntarily keeping your systems permanently disconnected is going to make you miss out on some pretty useful and/or important stuff in patches, including free content updates (quite a few Nintendo games have had these) and fixes for major bugs, even without looking at DLC (which can be a very worthwhile addition to games). Depriving yourself of that over pointless paranoia is just silly. The Internet isn't going to break your games. Quite the opposite, in most cases.</quote> I usually have internet unless they're working on something. I'm not lying when saying my 3DS was online once or twice ever, my U hasn't seen the internet, and (this is embarrassing) I've yet to use my Switch because of everything else I want to finish. Since you'll ask why, it's because I tend not to bother with DLC. Same goes for my Sony systems. With so many discs ahead of me I go through the SP, maybe dabble in the MP, and move to the next game without so much as looking at DLC even when free. I know I'm missing stuff but it's not like I'm short of things to play. Maybe you recall my saying I'm like 2 years behind. Often when opening a game there's a HUGE patch. I don't always wait. I started Bloodborne and UC4 without their patches. The former stunk and the latter eventually finished since I went online for an hour or two. Who plays UC for the MP anyway? So uh, this is kinda separate from my whole digital vs physical argument, or why Steam should be banned. While they're sorta related, trying to discuss all of them together makes this topic longer than it needs to be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 06/21/18 5:12:17 PM #73:	This anti-Steam troll is being fed like a baby lamb in a petting zoo. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:903712350] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote>This anti-Steam troll is being fed like a baby lamb in a petting zoo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/21/18 5:37:15 PM #74:	It's not trolling when I'm right. So just leaving that fact for you to see. I know what I went through and it was severe enough to cause me to refuse the platform. As well as damage my trust in digital goods forever. While all you clowns wish for HL3 I'll keep hoping for a clean, playable copy of HL2. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903713805] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote>It's not trolling when I'm right. So just leaving that fact for you to see. I know what I went through and it was severe enough to cause me to refuse the platform. As well as damage my trust in digital goods forever. While all you clowns wish for HL3 I'll keep hoping for a clean, playable copy of HL2.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 06/21/18 5:53:39 PM #75:	Cool story bro --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:903714741] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote>Cool story bro</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 06/21/18 6:53:32 PM #76:	DPsx7 posted... Nothing I've said is false. You said Steam is Malware. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M" data-time=" --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:903718217] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Nothing I've said is false.</quote> You said Steam is Malware. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/21/18 7:35:11 PM #77:	Revelation34 posted... DPsx7 posted... Nothing I've said is false. You said Steam is Malware. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M" data-time=" And it is for the reasons I listed above. If you have a point, please continue... <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903720613] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Nothing I've said is false.</quote> You said Steam is Malware. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M" data-time="</quote> And it is for the reasons I listed above. If you have a point, please continue...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 06/21/18 7:44:23 PM #78:	DPsx7 posted... And it is for the reasons I listed above. If you have a point, please continue... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76704144/903540721 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M" data-time=" --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:903721197] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>And it is for the reasons I listed above. If you have a point, please continue...</quote> https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76704144/903540721 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
captpackrat 06/21/18 7:50:32 PM #79:	Xbox One X 1 <cite>captpackrat posted [p:903721563] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote>Xbox One X 1</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/21/18 9:36:35 PM #80:	Revelation34 posted... DPsx7 posted... And it is for the reasons I listed above. If you have a point, please continue... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76704144/903540721 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M" data-time=" If you're not going to be serious then go back to your parent's PC with your infected games. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903728039] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>And it is for the reasons I listed above. If you have a point, please continue...</quote> https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76704144/903540721 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M" data-time="</quote> If you're not going to be serious then go back to your parent's PC with your infected games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 06/21/18 9:45:22 PM #81:	DPsx7 posted... If you're not going to be serious then go back to your parent's PC with your infected games. I am serious. You deserve to be laughed at and mocked. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:903728575] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote> If you're not going to be serious then go back to your parent's PC with your infected games. </quote> I am serious. You deserve to be laughed at and mocked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/21/18 9:52:26 PM #82:	Revelation34 posted... DPsx7 posted... If you're not going to be serious then go back to your parent's PC with your infected games. I am serious. You deserve to be laughed at and mocked. No you're not because you're failing to offer an argument or disprove mine. Your link goes right back to the thread so you can't even do that right. No wonder you need Steam to hold your hand while operating the PC. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903728983] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote> If you're not going to be serious then go back to your parent's PC with your infected games. </quote> I am serious. You deserve to be laughed at and mocked.</quote> No you're not because you're failing to offer an argument or disprove mine. Your link goes right back to the thread so you can't even do that right. No wonder you need Steam to hold your hand while operating the PC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 06/21/18 11:12:39 PM #83:	DPsx7 posted... No you're not because you're failing to offer an argument or disprove mine. Your link goes right back to the thread so you can't even do that right. No wonder you need Steam to hold your hand while operating the PC. Well apparently you can't read since that link also had a post in it. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:903733567] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>No you're not because you're failing to offer an argument or disprove mine. Your link goes right back to the thread so you can't even do that right. No wonder you need Steam to hold your hand while operating the PC.</quote> Well apparently you can't read since that link also had a post in it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/22/18 1:58:32 AM #84:	Revelation34 posted... DPsx7 posted... No you're not because you're failing to offer an argument or disprove mine. Your link goes right back to the thread so you can't even do that right. No wonder you need Steam to hold your hand while operating the PC. Well apparently you can't read since that link also had a post in it. Yep, threads usually have posts in them. Good for you to notice. Now let's see if we can work a little more sense into that head. Tell me if we're moving too quickly, it takes you guys time to figure things out. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903740980] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>No you're not because you're failing to offer an argument or disprove mine. Your link goes right back to the thread so you can't even do that right. No wonder you need Steam to hold your hand while operating the PC.</quote> Well apparently you can't read since that link also had a post in it.</quote> Yep, threads usually have posts in them. Good for you to notice. Now let's see if we can work a little more sense into that head. Tell me if we're moving too quickly, it takes you guys time to figure things out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/22/18 7:36:39 AM #85:	DPsx7 posted... It's not trolling when I'm right. That's false. DPsx7 posted... I'll keep hoping for a clean, playable copy of HL2. You have one. Give it a try, your computer won't explode. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:903748754] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>It's not trolling when I'm right.</quote> That's false. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote> I'll keep hoping for a clean, playable copy of HL2.</quote> You have one. Give it a try, your computer won't explode.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 06/22/18 12:30:46 PM #86:	Keep feeding guys, he's just going to get fatter. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:903760740] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote>Keep feeding guys, he's just going to get fatter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 06/22/18 2:36:19 PM #87:	DPsx7 posted... it takes you guys time to figure things out. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/irony --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:903767841] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>it takes you guys time to figure things out.</quote> https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/irony</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
man101 06/22/18 7:07:24 PM #88:	DPsx7 posted... not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode man101 posted... You keep bringing up that if Steam is ever down that all the games are lost. But it has been pointed out ad fucking nauseam out that all single player games can be played 100% offline. You're just wrong. DPsx7 posted... Nothing I've said is false. Why would I make this up? There is an offline mode. It always works. Forever. You said something false. You are a liar. DPsx7 posted... The root of the problem is Steam users live in ignorance. R oh effing L either the worst troll ever or actually borderline 70 iq. --- \\[T]// Praise the Sun <cite>man101 posted [p:903782876] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode</quote> <cite>man101 posted...</cite> <quote>You keep bringing up that if Steam is ever down that all the games are lost. But it has been pointed out ad fucking nauseam out that all single player games can be played 100% offline. You're just wrong.</quote> <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Nothing I've said is false. Why would I make this up?</quote> There is an offline mode. It always works. Forever. You said something false. You are a liar. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>The root of the problem is Steam users live in ignorance.</quote> R oh effing L either the worst troll ever or actually borderline 70 iq.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/22/18 7:13:19 PM #89:	adjl posted... DPsx7 posted... I'll keep hoping for a clean, playable copy of HL2. You have one. Give it a try, your computer won't explode. Where is it then? If it has Steam then it will. man101 posted... There is an offline mode. It always works. Forever. You said something false. You are a liar. DPsx7 posted... The root of the problem is Steam users live in ignorance. R oh effing L either the worst troll ever or actually borderline 70 iq. There isn't or HL2 would have worked. Like I told the other person this is a serious problem and if you're going to act stupid then why waste the time. Steam is trash and I don't know who is paying you to lie about it. I've seen what this software does. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903783219] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote> I'll keep hoping for a clean, playable copy of HL2.</quote> You have one. Give it a try, your computer won't explode.</quote> Where is it then? If it has Steam then it will. <cite>man101 posted...</cite> <quote>There is an offline mode. It always works. Forever. You said something false. You are a liar. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>The root of the problem is Steam users live in ignorance.</quote> R oh effing L either the worst troll ever or actually borderline 70 iq.</quote> There isn't or HL2 would have worked. Like I told the other person this is a serious problem and if you're going to act stupid then why waste the time. Steam is trash and I don't know who is paying you to lie about it. I've seen what this software does.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 06/22/18 7:38:33 PM #90:	This was almost too easy. LMAO --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:903784514] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote>This was almost too easy. LMAO</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 06/22/18 8:17:34 PM #91:	DPsx7 posted... There isn't or HL2 would have worked. Like I told the other person this is a serious problem and if you're going to act stupid then why waste the time. Steam is trash and I don't know who is paying you to lie about it. I've seen what this software does. Nah you haven't. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:903786482] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>There isn't or HL2 would have worked. Like I told the other person this is a serious problem and if you're going to act stupid then why waste the time. Steam is trash and I don't know who is paying you to lie about it. I've seen what this software does.</quote> Nah you haven't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
man101 06/22/18 9:11:44 PM #92:	Troll 100% confirmed, bye bye. Nobody likes trolls. Not even ironically. Enjoy being a loser who no one likes. Not even gonna check back later to see what you say. Just know that nobody likes you and you're sad. Totally dead and gray inside and unwanted. --- \\[T]// Praise the Sun <cite>man101 posted [p:903789225] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote>Troll 100% confirmed, bye bye. Nobody likes trolls. Not even ironically. Enjoy being a loser who no one likes. Not even gonna check back later to see what you say. Just know that nobody likes you and you're sad. Totally dead and gray inside and unwanted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/22/18 9:32:53 PM #93:	DPsx7 posted... Where is it then? If it has Steam then it will. It's in Steam. Your computer still won't explode. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:903790292] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Where is it then? If it has Steam then it will.</quote> It's in Steam. Your computer still won't explode.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/22/18 9:47:51 PM #94:	adjl posted... DPsx7 posted... Where is it then? If it has Steam then it will. It's in Steam. Your computer still won't explode. They probably just siphon all your personal information instead. Either way the results of installing Steam are undesirable. If you don't think they do, then why hasn't anyone answered me when I asked why Valve sent me a note about updating my profile even though it hasn't been touched in years? Nah that's not suspicious at all... <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903791054] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Where is it then? If it has Steam then it will.</quote> It's in Steam. Your computer still won't explode.</quote> They probably just siphon all your personal information instead. Either way the results of installing Steam are undesirable. If you don't think they do, then why hasn't anyone answered me when I asked why Valve sent me a note about updating my profile even though it hasn't been touched in years? Nah that's not suspicious at all...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 06/22/18 10:04:00 PM #95:	DPsx7 posted... If you don't think they do, then why hasn't anyone answered me when I asked why Valve sent me a note about updating my profile even though it hasn't been touched in years? Nah that's not suspicious at all... most places do that. it's just a "hey, you remember we exist, right?" notice. also privacy policy updates prompt those reminders, too. gamefaqs even sends those emails, btw. --- hey look ma, i made it everything's coming up aces, aces <cite>helIy posted [p:903791825] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>If you don't think they do, then why hasn't anyone answered me when I asked why Valve sent me a note about updating my profile even though it hasn't been touched in years? Nah that's not suspicious at all...</quote> most places do that. it's just a "hey, you remember we exist, right?" notice. also privacy policy updates prompt those reminders, too. gamefaqs even sends those emails, btw.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/22/18 11:38:33 PM #96:	DPsx7 posted... They probably just siphon all your personal information instead. A presumption you're basing on what? DPsx7 posted... Either way the results of installing Steam are undesirable. Not really. One crash a decade ago doesn't really amount to enough undesirability to avoid it forever. DPsx7 posted... If you don't think they do, then why hasn't anyone answered me when I asked why Valve sent me a note about updating my profile even though it hasn't been touched in years? Nah that's not suspicious at all... I'm not sure what you're talking about, but if it was within the last couple months, that'd likely be in response to the new privacy laws enacted by the EU in response to the whole Cambridge Analytica thing. Pretty much every account-based service has sent out a message like that to all of their users, since a major element of those new laws is a need to be more transparent about what's being shared in profiles and to offer users the opportunity to remove that information if they don't want it shared. It is in fact not suspicious at all. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:903796210] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>They probably just siphon all your personal information instead.</quote> A presumption you're basing on what? <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>Either way the results of installing Steam are undesirable. </quote> Not really. One crash a decade ago doesn't really amount to enough undesirability to avoid it forever. <cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>If you don't think they do, then why hasn't anyone answered me when I asked why Valve sent me a note about updating my profile even though it hasn't been touched in years? Nah that's not suspicious at all...</quote> I'm not sure what you're talking about, but if it was within the last couple months, that'd likely be in response to the new privacy laws enacted by the EU in response to the whole Cambridge Analytica thing. Pretty much every account-based service has sent out a message like that to all of their users, since a major element of those new laws is a need to be more transparent about what's being shared in profiles and to offer users the opportunity to remove that information if they don't want it shared. It is in fact not suspicious at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/23/18 12:25:39 AM #97:	helIy posted... DPsx7 posted... If you don't think they do, then why hasn't anyone answered me when I asked why Valve sent me a note about updating my profile even though it hasn't been touched in years? Nah that's not suspicious at all... most places do that. it's just a "hey, you remember we exist, right?" notice. also privacy policy updates prompt those reminders, too. gamefaqs even sends those emails, btw. Oh wait no. Could have worded that better. I didn't mean they were asking me to update, something was updated. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903798112] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>helIy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DPsx7 posted...</cite> <quote>If you don't think they do, then why hasn't anyone answered me when I asked why Valve sent me a note about updating my profile even though it hasn't been touched in years? Nah that's not suspicious at all...</quote> most places do that. it's just a "hey, you remember we exist, right?" notice. also privacy policy updates prompt those reminders, too. gamefaqs even sends those emails, btw.</quote> Oh wait no. Could have worded that better. I didn't mean they were asking me to update, something was updated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DPsx7 06/23/18 12:38:04 AM #98:	adjl posted... A presumption you're basing on what? Not really. One crash a decade ago doesn't really amount to enough undesirability to avoid it forever. I'm not sure what you're talking about, but if it was within the last couple months, that'd likely be in response to the new privacy laws enacted by the EU in response to the whole Cambridge Analytica thing. Pretty much every account-based service has sent out a message like that to all of their users, since a major element of those new laws is a need to be more transparent about what's being shared in profiles and to offer users the opportunity to remove that information if they don't want it shared. It is in fact not suspicious at all. Easy. When I first put the disc in and Steam started shitting all over the place I distinctly remember it saying it was searching my drive for installed software. That was the first red flag and I shoulda flipped the switch then and there. I'll bet they were trying to disable any virus scanners. I let it proceed though as this came before the events that led to its removal. It wasn't a crash. More a series of increasing problems. From DL'ing for hours despite installing from disc, to blocking its use, to DL'ing an update that corrupted the game. The ammo counter was moved to the center of the screen and the backgrounds became multicolored. I explained it in the previous reply. It was at least a year ago. They refused to fix the game or ship a clean version, but hey why not tamper with dormant accounts because Valve gives a big 'F you' to their customers. <cite>DPsx7 posted [p:903798695] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote> A presumption you're basing on what? Not really. One crash a decade ago doesn't really amount to enough undesirability to avoid it forever. I'm not sure what you're talking about, but if it was within the last couple months, that'd likely be in response to the new privacy laws enacted by the EU in response to the whole Cambridge Analytica thing. Pretty much every account-based service has sent out a message like that to all of their users, since a major element of those new laws is a need to be more transparent about what's being shared in profiles and to offer users the opportunity to remove that information if they don't want it shared. It is in fact not suspicious at all.</quote> Easy. When I first put the disc in and Steam started shitting all over the place I distinctly remember it saying it was searching my drive for installed software. That was the first red flag and I shoulda flipped the switch then and there. I'll bet they were trying to disable any virus scanners. I let it proceed though as this came before the events that led to its removal. It wasn't a crash. More a series of increasing problems. From DL'ing for hours despite installing from disc, to blocking its use, to DL'ing an update that corrupted the game. The ammo counter was moved to the center of the screen and the backgrounds became multicolored. I explained it in the previous reply. It was at least a year ago. They refused to fix the game or ship a clean version, but hey why not tamper with dormant accounts because Valve gives a big 'F you' to their customers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeerOnTap 06/23/18 1:17:28 AM #99:	I wouldn't know, since I have a powerful PC. Lol console peasantry. <cite>BeerOnTap posted [p:903800025] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote>I wouldn't know, since I have a powerful PC. Lol console peasantry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 06/23/18 2:56:25 AM #100:	BeerOnTap posted... I wouldn't know, since I have a powerful PC. Lol console peasantry. bet you my $500 console can play games the same or better than your $1000+ pc. --- hey look ma, i made it everything's coming up aces, aces <cite>helIy posted [p:903803124] in The Xbox O... [t:76704144]...</cite> <quote><cite>BeerOnTap posted...</cite> <quote>I wouldn't know, since I have a powerful PC. Lol console peasantry.</quote> bet you my $500 console can play games the same or better than your $1000+ pc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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