Current Events > Question to "anti-sjws" Are you ok with unecessary pandering to hetero

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Like being able to fuck any women and see them naked in the witcher 3 when Geralt is in a relationship with Yennefer? Because lgbt are, but somehow any pandering to us is a "evil sjws agenda shoved down your throat" when bethesda makes OPTIONAL gay romance
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The issue on both sides is that you idiots think that everyone that's a SJW and everyone that isn't one all think the exact same way. It's always the same. The left said/did this, the SJW said/did this, shut the fuck up. Nobody thinks the same, stop grouping people together. Stop paying attention to 11 year olds on social media and claiming that THEY'RE the great majority of these people.

With that said, I didn't even know they were going to make gay being an option in a future game(?) that's cool.
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I don't remember anyone saying Mass Effect had an agenda when they let you seduce both genders.
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who in their right mind would sleep with anyone but Yennefer
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s0nicfan posted...

I don't remember anyone saying Mass Effect had an agenda when they let you seduce both genders.

I don't either. I think they handled it pretty stupidly but also subtly.
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s0nicfan posted...

I don't remember anyone saying Mass Effect had an agenda when they let you seduce both genders.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-04-04-ea-defends-itself-*gainst-thousands-of-anti-gay-letters

That was from the most cursory of Google searches. Other noticeables were "EA fueling the SJWs!" and "Gay agenda ruining morals"

Wow, gamefaqs censor made me change link. Swap asterisk for a
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s0nicfan posted...

I don't remember anyone saying Mass Effect had an agenda when they let you seduce both genders.

Fox news did and sadly tons of people watch and agree with fox news.(but only when they added male options in the 3rd).

Go see the facebook page of bethesda showing support to the lgbt if you claim those guys do not exist.
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s0nicfan posted...

I don't remember anyone saying Mass Effect had an agenda when they let you seduce both genders.

Uhh i think you missed out on the Kaidan backlash

epik_fail1 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I don't remember anyone saying Mass Effect had an agenda when they let you seduce both genders.

Fox news did and sadly tons of people watch and agree with fox news.(but only when they added male options in the 3rd).

Go see the facebook page of bethesda showing support to the lgbt if you claim those guys do not exist.

As I recall, that Fox News bit wasn't about the gay options, it was way back during ME1 and they were attacking it for having sex scenes at all.

Unless there was a second fox news hit piece about ME2 or 3 I didn't see.

BigSLM1993 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I don't remember anyone saying Mass Effect had an agenda when they let you seduce both genders.

Uhh i think you missed out on the Kaidan backlash

I think that had more to do with changing characters into bisexuals when there was no suggestion of it prior. Like, no one had a problem with Liara going both ways because it was part of her character from the outset, instead of altered in ME3. Her being a sort of pseudo-girl-on-girl option probably helped with that though.
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It wasn't just Kaiden. People also whined about Steve.

They also whined about Dorian in Dragon Age Inquisition.

The complaints were always "These characters are defined by being gay and it's forced on me" which has always been ridiculous.

These same people would never criticize a woman solely being in a game to be romanced or have sex with though.
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Darmik posted...

It wasn't just Kaiden. People also whined about Steve.

They also whined about Dorian in Dragon Age Inquisition.

The complaints were always "These characters are defined by being gay and it's forced on me" which has always been ridiculous.

These same people would never criticize a woman solely being in a game to be romanced or have sex with though.

Indeed they are huge hypocrites and complain about lgbt being the easily triggered ones...
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Everyone alive today is alive because of heterosexuality, false equivalency.
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A lot of people are unwilling or unable to recognize the ways in which culture has historically been made to cater to people like them. That's viewed as the default, rather than the product of choices. A change in that, though, is felt as being a conscious decision.
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Darmik posted...

It wasn't just Kaiden. People also whined about Steve.

They also whined about Dorian in Dragon Age Inquisition.

The complaints were always "These characters are defined by being gay and it's forced on me" which has always been ridiculous.

These same people would never criticize a woman solely being in a game to be romanced or have sex with though.

That's fair enough. But I was responding to the post about Kaiden. The other characters weren't relevant to the point there.
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Antifar posted...

A lot of people are unwilling or unable to recognize the ways in which culture has historically been made to cater to people like them. That's viewed as the default, rather than the product of choices. A change in that, though, is felt as being a conscious decision.

Are you seriously saying that heterosexuality which the VAST majority of people are, and which is literally required for the human race to continue to exist shouldnt be considered the norm?
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Omega Hunter posted...

Antifar posted...

A lot of people are unwilling or unable to recognize the ways in which culture has historically been made to cater to people like them. That's viewed as the default, rather than the product of choices. A change in that, though, is felt as being a conscious decision.

Are you seriously saying that heterosexuality which the VAST majority of people are, and which is literally required for the human race to continue to exist shouldnt be considered the norm?

Where did he say that?

What do you mean by 'considered the norm' and why does that mean not referencing it anywhere?
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even if you were a male in ME1 it was clear kaiden wanted to get into your pants so him finally getting in there wasnt a stretch
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Antifar posted...

A lot of people are unwilling or unable to recognize the ways in which culture has historically been made to cater to people like them. That's viewed as the default, rather than the product of choices. A change in that, though, is felt as being a conscious decision.

Now, I don't mind games that feature gay romance options and I don't mind games that are made specifically for a gay audience. Gaming is a big enough tent to include all that stuff.

But I'm not going to pretend heterosexuality shouldn't be the default. When the creators and the audience are overwhelmingly straight, that's just what is going to happen outside of making conscious decisions to include and appeal to other demographics.

My position is that "heterosexual as the default or norm" is okay, but making those decisions to gear content for homosexuals is okay too. They are a valid audience.
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Esrac posted...

My position is that "heterosexual as the default or norm" is okay, but making those decisions to gear content for homosexuals is okay too.

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Omega Hunter posted...

Everyone alive today is alive because of heterosexuality, false equivalency.

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Omega Hunter posted...

Everyone alive today is alive because of heterosexuality, false equivalency.

I did not know fictional heterosexual sex helped people reproduce...
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refmon posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

Everyone alive today is alive because of heterosexuality, false equivalency.

Omega Hunter posted...

Antifar posted...

A lot of people are unwilling or unable to recognize the ways in which culture has historically been made to cater to people like them. That's viewed as the default, rather than the product of choices. A change in that, though, is felt as being a conscious decision.

Are you seriously saying that heterosexuality which the VAST majority of people are, and which is literally required for the human race to continue to exist shouldnt be considered the norm?

It is not considered the norm, it is the norm. And I still fail to see how fictional straight sex allow people to reproducte. It may comes as a shocker to some, but pixels cannot breed.
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Esrac posted...

Antifar posted...

A lot of people are unwilling or unable to recognize the ways in which culture has historically been made to cater to people like them. That's viewed as the default, rather than the product of choices. A change in that, though, is felt as being a conscious decision.

Now, I don't mind games that feature gay romance options and I don't mind games that are made specifically for a gay audience. Gaming is a big enough tent to include all that stuff.

But I'm not going to pretend heterosexuality shouldn't be the default. When the creators and the audience are overwhelmingly straight, that's just what is going to happen outside of making conscious decisions to include and appeal to other demographics.

My position is that "heterosexual as the default or norm" is okay, but making those decisions to gear content for homosexuals is okay too. They are a valid audience.

This is pretty reasonable.
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chill02 posted...

who in their right mind would sleep with anyone but Yennefer

Anybody who realized the superiority of a redhead.
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loafy013 posted...

chill02 posted...

who in their right mind would sleep with anyone but Yennefer

Anybody who realized the superiority of a redhead.

So people who are blind.
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Also on OP's very original point, that's literally how Geralt is written. They are basing his promiscuity on the source material which is decades old. The sex in Witcher 3 was even less than there was in 2 which was less than there was in 1, too. They dialed it back with each installment. AND, it's a key aspect of the character - Witchers are viewed as emotionless freaks, necessary evils that don't care about anything except killing monsters, and yet Geralt has formed a real romantic bond with Yennefer.
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Hexenherz posted...

Also on OP's very original point, that's literally how Geralt is written. They are basing his promiscuity on the source material which is decades old. The sex in Witcher 3 was even less than there was in 2 which was less than there was in 1, too. They dialed it back with each installment. AND, it's a key aspect of the character - Witchers are viewed as emotionless freaks, necessary evils that don't care about anything except killing monsters, and yet Geralt has formed a real romantic bond with Yennefer.

Ok I did not know, but still most of the women he can fuck are irrevelant to the story and pandering anyway. Seriously aside from Roche, the men are ugly as fuck and All women (except 3, you know who) are beautiful.
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But that's his character, he sleeps around a lot because he's a mutant freak without emotions that just likes to get it on and people like to get it on with Witchers because they're sterile and disease free. But then he gets emotions and sleeps with Yennefer.

Like I said with each installment the pool of women he's willing to sleep with decreases until it's really just Yennefer and Triss (and maybe prostitutes at the brothels?).
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Imagine thinking playing as someone with the same sexuality as the majority of the population is pandering.
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epik_fail1 posted...

Like being able to fuck any women and see them naked in the witcher 3 when Geralt is in a relationship with Yennefer?

How is that heterosexual pandering?

It would only be pandering here if it specifically touted heterosexuality itself in some way rather than just depicting sex for sex's sake.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

epik_fail1 posted...

Like being able to fuck any women and see them naked in the witcher 3 when Geralt is in a relationship with Yennefer?

How is that heterosexual pandering?

It would only be pandering here if it specifically touted heterosexuality itself in some way rather than just depicting sex for sex's sake.

Camilla in fe is definitly pandering. if you guys deny that unecessary straight pandering that adds nothing to the story exists, then congratulation... you are a huge hypocrite.
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what makes you think that being opposed to SJWs makes one a conservative

MawiIe-Mega posted...

what makes you think that being opposed to SJWs makes one a conservative

maybe I should have said consevative instead?
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yes you should've