Current Events > I hate that everyone blames Rian Johnson for ruining Star Wars and praises JJ

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Force Awakens was fucking garbage

Dude you haven't even seen TLJ right?
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Doom_Art posted...

Dude you haven't even seen TLJ right?

I haven't, but there's no way it's as bad as Force Awakens.

And even if it's somehow the worst film ever made, he had a shitty starting point. Force Awakens already doomed the trilogy.

What would you have written after a literal remake of a New Hope?

Every plotline was leading nowhere

Milkman5 posted...

I haven't

Then stop trying to talk about Disney Star Wars when you've seen only one movie released 3 years ago lol
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Milkman5 posted...

I haven't

then kindly shut the fuck up
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Agree with TC Rian Johnson can actually make original content that's watchable. JJ makes terrible rehashes. Star Trek Into Darkness proves it.

Doom_Art posted...

Milkman5 posted...

I haven't

Then stop trying to talk about Disney Star Wars when you've seen only one movie released 3 years ago lol

I watched Rogue One on Netflix. It was boring as fuck.

I'm going to watch the Last Jedi on netflix this month, but I really, really doubt it's as bad as Force Awakens.

Force Awakens is my least favorite movie of all time.

Force Awakens was not garbage. It was the perfect set up for the return of Jedi fucking master Luke Skywalker. Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy fucked us.
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Either way, JJ Abrams only made 1 star wars movie and I saw it. It came out before these other ones and he ruined it back then, hence Rian could not have ruined something already ruined

TLJ > TFA

At least TLJ tried to make a remotely original contribution
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Everybody saying how Sony is copying everything, but the Wii didn't copy anything

that's bullshit

it's bullshit

Fuck the Wii
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Kathleen Kennedy is a scapegoat

Pillowpantz posted...

Kathleen Kennedy

What did Kathleen Kennedy do

Try to respond with words this time
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You guys honestly think Kathleen Kennedy had any input on these movies?
I think she is the Ellen Pao of Disney.

A female figure-head who says stupid shit who doesn't have much to do with the failures of the company, but the company is allowing the fans to blame her for shit that the company as a whole is collectively destroying.

Originality is overrated. Abrhams made an incredibly watchable movie with fantastic characters and chemistry. Johnson shit all over it.
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There's a scene in TLJ that relevant to TC's username
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I value different things. I hate rehashes and remakes of things that are good as is.

A New Hope didn't need to be "re-introduced to young audiences"

give them a new trilogy, a new story... like the prequels did and let them just watch the old ones as well because they are still good today.

And if you are going to do a reboot, don't call it Episode 7. It makes no sense to have a reboot happen sequentially in the same universe lmao

Milkman5 posted...

You guys honestly think Kathleen Kennedy had any input on these movies?

I mean she's a producer and the head of Lucasfilm so she has influence/control over a bunch of things but the people blaming her for minute story details they don't like are ridiculous
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Doom_Art posted...

Milkman5 posted...

You guys honestly think Kathleen Kennedy had any input on these movies?

I mean she's a producer and the head of Lucasfilm so she has influence/control over a bunch of things but the people blaming her for minute story details they don't like are ridiculous

She literally gave Rian Johnson free reign over the film (according to news articles)

Sure, blame her for giving someone 'free reign', but she didn't actually make any of the decisions that 'ruined' Star Wars

and pumping out unplanned, shit films that don't connect, with shitty plots and characters was planned from the very beginning. They always planned to just pander to OT geeks and make garbage fanservice to make a quick buck, that was the whole idea behind them purchasing it from Lucas and that's why they threw away his script for the new trilogy.

If it wasn't Kathleen ruining star wars, it would have been someone else because this is exactly what Disney as a company wanted

Milkman5 posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Milkman5 posted...

You guys honestly think Kathleen Kennedy had any input on these movies?

I mean she's a producer and the head of Lucasfilm so she has influence/control over a bunch of things but the people blaming her for minute story details they don't like are ridiculous

She literally gave Rian Johnson free reign over the film (according to news articles)

After firing the original director who was going to make the movie, because he wanted to keep Luke alive.
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I really don't think there are enough topics complaining about Star Wars.
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they should have just killed off all the OT characters in TFA imo

also they should scrap the entire First Order storyline and try again
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Guys, Disney is a scourge. They take and take and produce whitewashed doggerel. Star Wars became too big for its own good.

That said, it's still just movies and we have the originals. Which were already pretty simple. To be fair, it's a difficult task but they choose the easy way for money,
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and yet the Marvel movies are great so it can't just be that Disney is the plague

CyricZ posted...

I really don't think there are enough topics complaining about Star Wars.

i know we're getting up there in numbers rn

i just had this thought though and figured i'd share it now

i was just talking with my brother about how it feels like there isn't a one person (formerly george lucas as far as anyone knew) who is in charge of the story and worldbuilding direction

Someone, or some people, had a vision for the OT and PT
The new shit feels like there is no vision
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"Guys, it can't be that bad. I still havent seen it and I'm talking out of my ass, but it can't be that bad, you are the ones that are wrong"
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GOOMFalse posted...

"Guys, it can't be that bad. I still havent seen it and I'm talking out of my ass, but it can't be that bad, you are the ones that are wrong"

Later this month when I watch it, I will apologize if I actually hate it more than TFA

but I doubt I will because I realize how impossible it is to make a good movie following TFA

Pillowpantz posted...

After firing the original director

Episode 8 was always going to have Rian Johnson at the helm

The movie has plenty to criticize already. You don't need to make shit up.
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Milkman5 posted...

GOOMFalse posted...

"Guys, it can't be that bad. I still havent seen it and I'm talking out of my ass, but it can't be that bad, you are the ones that are wrong"

Later this month when I watch it, I will apologize if I actually hate it more than TFA

but I doubt I will because I realize how impossible it is to make a good movie following TFA

TFA was bad and lazy and didn't do anything worthwhile, true. But it at the very least left the door open for interesting things to happen later. It was basically two hours of flashy set-up because they were too scared of fucking up Star Wars.

TLJ is especially bad, though, because rather than take what TFA established and try to make something enjoyable out of it, it throws away most everything so that there's no payoff. Luke's return which was hyped since the teasers for VII amounts to nothing. Rey's past amounts to literally nothing. Snoke amounts to nothing Finn's character arc amounts to nothing

This isn't a case of "fan theories didn't happen", this is a case of where story events were being built up and the payoff was literally nothing.

Nothing happens in TLJ. The Resistance, Rey, Finn, Poe, nobody is in a different place, physically or psychologically, than they were by the end of TFA. The movie also introduced a new character, Rose, who does absolutely nothing except hog screen-time from established characters we've been following since the last film.

The only two characters that experience any change are Kylo and Luke, because one became leader of the First Order and the other died.
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TLJ kept trying to be different to the point it was doing it for every aspect. The problem is that there was little follow through as by the end, it jumps ship from its own ideas making the film feel like a worthless endeavor.
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AlisLandale posted...

most everything so that there's no payoff.

You're aware it's not the last film in the trilogy right
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AlisLandale posted...

The only two characters that experience any change are Kylo and Luke

Yeah. You... really weren't paying attention if you felt that those were the only two characters that had development.
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Doom_Art posted...

AlisLandale posted...

most everything so that there's no payoff.

You're aware it's not the last film in the trilogy right

And somehow every bit of intrigue from TFA has already been resolved in the most anti-climactic way possible.

CyricZ posted...

AlisLandale posted...

The only two characters that experience any change are Kylo and Luke

Yeah. You... really weren't paying attention if you felt that those were the only two characters that had development.

Finn's arc was recycled beat for beat. (Run away from conflict. Hook up with girl and be forced to deal with conflict. Try to do something heroic. Gets his ass saved after contributing nothing.) Poe didnt grow at all and is ultimately rewarded for his actions from the beginning. Rey is not anywhere different now than she was at the end of the last movie. If anything, she was used as an object for Luke's growth.

Rose had an arc, which is ironic since she's completely irrelevant.>~>
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AlisLandale posted...

And somehow every bit of intrigue from TFA has already been resolved in the most anti-climactic way possible.

Wait so was there no payoff or was everything resolved
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Youre trying really hard for a "gotcha" when my original post explicitly listed the plot points that were resovled and why they had no payoff.

You...do know you can resolve a plot without giving the audience any payoff to the build-up?
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Both of them did the series dirty

But at least JJ had respect for the OT characters
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So_Hajile posted...

TLJ kept trying to be different to the point it was doing it for every aspect. The problem is that there was little follow through as by the end, it jumps ship from its own ideas making the film feel like a worthless endeavor.

Right. How much better would the film have been if Rey had stayed with Kylo and theyd backed off the fleet instead of tacking on a pointless 30 minutes of ANOTHER death star run. I rolled my eyes when they mentioned the siege laser was based on death star tech
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TFA was like when your childhood favorite band announces a reunion tour 25 years later. you're not expecting them to break new ground artistically, and you know the music isn't going to be that good, but it's fun to hear all the classic tunes again and see the group up on stage one last time
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Yeah they both sucked for different reasons.

JJ set some things up but basically ended up just remaking the first star wars movie. Still watchable but there was no reason for it to exist.

Rian basically just scrapped everything, making the entire trilogy pointless, and made a shitty movie in the process. Also for a film that wanted to be different so badly, they didn't make any radical changes to the story. The good guys are still good bad guys still bad.
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TFA sucked because it was a rehash. TLJ sucked because it tried to be different with no care for quality. TLJ is...actually worse. Because it took Luke down with it (his character).
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Doom_Art posted...

AlisLandale posted...

And somehow every bit of intrigue from TFA has already been resolved in the most anti-climactic way possible.

Wait so was there no payoff or was everything resolved

It's resolved in a sense like you're searching for a problem you have with your computer on the internet and you find a thread with a guy who has the same problem and then he responds to his own post with "nevermind, fixed it" and then the thread is closed.
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TFA was your favorite washed up band doing a reunion tour 20 years later

TLJ was your favorite washed up band promoting their shitty new album 20 years later
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Hamill should have walked off the set.
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berlyman101 posted...

Hamill should have walked off the set.

He'd have been on the hook for millions in lawsuits. Like, morally you're correct but there is no way he could afford to do something like that.
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TomNook20 posted...

Yeah they both sucked for different reasons.

JJ set some things up but basically ended up just remaking the first star wars movie. Still watchable but there was no reason for it to exist.

Rian basically just scrapped everything, making the entire trilogy pointless, and made a shitty movie in the process. Also for a film that wanted to be different so badly, they didn't make any radical changes to the story. The good guys are still good bad guys still bad.

Exactly. There was no follow through like with Kylo and Rey. All of that build up only to still end up with a good side and bad side.

TFA and TLJ both reek of having different ideas and visions first and trying to establish a connection between them second.
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I'm just glad Mark Hamill didn't take it lying down. He deserved better for such an iconic role

"Hurr Clue but he later changed his mind"

Would you want on of your leading actors crapping on a highly anticipated movie before and shortly after launch?
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So_Hajile posted...

There was no follow through like with Kylo and Rey.

Are you kidding me
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