Current Events > Do you think gay bakers should be allowed to refuse to serve Christians?

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Abyssea 06/06/18 6:06:08 PM #1:	Just to make things fair? If Christians don't want to bake cakes for us, why should we have to bake cakes for them? --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902669456] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>Just to make things fair? If Christians don't want to bake cakes for us, why should we have to bake cakes for them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 06/06/18 6:07:40 PM #2:	yes absolutely <cite>Romes187 posted [p:902669538] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>yes absolutely</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shopaholic163 06/06/18 6:08:52 PM #3:	They shouldn't stoop down to their level. Gays are better than that. --- Lotus - the flower that survives and thrives <cite>Shopaholic163 posted [p:902669606] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>They shouldn't stoop down to their level. Gays are better than that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 06/06/18 6:08:52 PM #4:	I mean...if one is possible, the other should be as well. Although, hard to say if christians would go there.. <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:902669608] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>I mean...if one is possible, the other should be as well. Although, hard to say if christians would go there..</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/06/18 6:08:59 PM #5:	No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902669613] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StarReaper13 06/06/18 6:09:29 PM #6:	Webmaster4531 posted... No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference. --- Ignore when people say that the title length is not important, that a title should just convey what the game is about. They're just jealous theirs isn't as long <cite>StarReaper13 posted [p:902669653] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkrobotisback 06/06/18 6:10:17 PM #7:	Wut if there was a gay Christian customer? --- The average life of a weeaboo: https://tinyurl.com/y9lhbe5m https://tinyurl.com/y94266mz <cite>Darkrobotisback posted [p:902669697] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>Wut if there was a gay Christian customer?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/06/18 6:11:43 PM #8:	Shopaholic163 posted... They shouldn't stoop down to their level. Gays are better than that. I personally wouldn't because I'm one of the rare gay christians. Sadly, I can't even morally bake cakes for myself. --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902669774] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Shopaholic163 posted...</cite> <quote>They shouldn't stoop down to their level. Gays are better than that.</quote> I personally wouldn't because I'm one of the rare gay christians. Sadly, I can't even morally bake cakes for myself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roshon 06/06/18 6:12:29 PM #9:	How will you know someones religion going into a bakery? Its not the same thing as a gay couple. There are gay Christians as well lol <cite>Roshon posted [p:902669845] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>How will you know someones religion going into a bakery? Its not the same thing as a gay couple. There are gay Christians as well lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
545x39 06/06/18 6:12:37 PM #10:	Sure. --- Freya weeps upon her golden throne. https://imgur.com/aXjQJkUh <cite>545x39 posted [p:902669858] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>Sure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/06/18 6:13:15 PM #11:	Roshon posted... How will you know someones religion going into a bakery? Its not the same thing as a gay couple. There are gay Christians as well lol well, if they ask for a cross or anything religious on the cake. Or if they want it delivered to a church or something. --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902669889] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Roshon posted...</cite> <quote>How will you know someones religion going into a bakery? Its not the same thing as a gay couple. There are gay Christians as well lol</quote> well, if they ask for a cross or anything religious on the cake. Or if they want it delivered to a church or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 06/06/18 6:20:39 PM #12:	The arbitrary line I have drawn is C corporations that aren't specifically religiously need to serve the entirety of their offerings to the public. S corps and LLCs where income is direct pass through to owner and forms of sole proprietorship they work from home I am fine with them having complete discrimination rights for whatever they want. When in public spaces I don't have a clear line. I think the baker's response of selling pre-made products was sufficient, I think refusing to serve pre-made products wouldn't have been acceptable though if it was in a commercial store. --- https://imgur.com/O3syCWD https://imgur.com/k3YiBdG <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:902670307] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>The arbitrary line I have drawn is C corporations that aren't specifically religiously need to serve the entirety of their offerings to the public. S corps and LLCs where income is direct pass through to owner and forms of sole proprietorship they work from home I am fine with them having complete discrimination rights for whatever they want. When in public spaces I don't have a clear line. I think the baker's response of selling pre-made products was sufficient, I think refusing to serve pre-made products wouldn't have been acceptable though if it was in a commercial store.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 06/06/18 6:22:21 PM #13:	Webmaster4531 posted... No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference. this. --- I'm pretty much Stu from Rugrats making pudding at 4 in morning because I've lost control of my life - Polycosm <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:902670399] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference.</quote> this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 06/07/18 1:17:41 PM #14:	If it's "you may buy anything in the store but I won't be forced to endorce something contrary to my beliefs," sure. If it's "no you can't buy that generic cupcake; get out of my store" then obviously no. I wonder which one of those is more relevant. --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif https://imgur.com/kU5vu5N Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:902715599] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>If it's "you may buy anything in the store but I won't be forced to endorce something contrary to my beliefs," sure. If it's "no you can't buy that generic cupcake; get out of my store" then obviously no. I wonder which one of those is more relevant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WrkHrdPlayHrdr 06/07/18 1:18:43 PM #15:	kingdrake2 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference. this. Religion? Protected. Bake the cake. Gay? Protected. Bake the cake. --- "I also advised their executives through e-mail that further behavior could result in a cyber attack[...]" https://imgur.com/cSxy3Od <cite>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted [p:902715648] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>kingdrake2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference.</quote> this.</quote> Religion? Protected. Bake the cake. Gay? Protected. Bake the cake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EverDownward 06/07/18 1:19:12 PM #16:	Romes187 posted... yes absolutely --- "And you can't tell me what my spirit tells me isn't true, can you?" <cite>EverDownward posted [p:902715682] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>yes absolutely</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 06/07/18 1:19:41 PM #17:	Religion is a protected class so no, they shouldn't be able to. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:902715708] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>Religion is a protected class so no, they shouldn't be able to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 06/07/18 1:20:08 PM #18:	WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted... kingdrake2 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference. this. Religion? Protected. Bake the cake. Gay? Protected. Bake the cake. The cake was offered. The artistry was not. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:902715737] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kingdrake2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference.</quote> this.</quote> Religion? Protected. Bake the cake. Gay? Protected. Bake the cake.</quote> The cake was offered. The artistry was not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThickDaddy 06/07/18 1:20:51 PM #19:	Yeah. Business owners are allowed to choose who they offer services to. <cite>ThickDaddy posted [p:902715787] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>Yeah. Business owners are allowed to choose who they offer services to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 06/07/18 1:22:00 PM #20:	Webmaster4531 posted... No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference. Sexual preference is not a federal protected class in the United States of America. --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:902715856] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference.</quote> Sexual preference is not a federal protected class in the United States of America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 06/07/18 1:22:41 PM #21:	Yep --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:902715906] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>Yep</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WrkHrdPlayHrdr 06/07/18 1:24:22 PM #22:	HypnoCoosh posted... WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted... kingdrake2 posted... Webmaster4531 posted... No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference. this. Religion? Protected. Bake the cake. Gay? Protected. Bake the cake. The cake was offered. The artistry was not. Sorry, I really don't know all the details. I was posting in a general sense. Them saying okay but no artistry on it is interesting. --- "I also advised their executives through e-mail that further behavior could result in a cyber attack[...]" https://imgur.com/cSxy3Od <cite>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted [p:902716002] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>HypnoCoosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kingdrake2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>No business should be allowed to deny service to a protected class whether it's a religion or sexual preference.</quote> this.</quote> Religion? Protected. Bake the cake. Gay? Protected. Bake the cake.</quote> The cake was offered. The artistry was not.</quote> Sorry, I really don't know all the details. I was posting in a general sense. Them saying okay but no artistry on it is interesting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HypnoCoosh 06/07/18 1:31:39 PM #24:	WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted... Them saying okay but no artistry on it is interesting. I guess the baker is really into the artistic portion of making the cakes. Do concept drawings and other things. So he said he would sell them a cake but wasn't comfortable with sculpting a personal cake for their wedding since it went against his religious beliefs. This is only an issue because people want it to be. People are running out of shit to bitch about. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:902716387] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...</cite> <quote>Them saying okay but no artistry on it is interesting.</quote> I guess the baker is really into the artistic portion of making the cakes. Do concept drawings and other things. So he said he would sell them a cake but wasn't comfortable with sculpting a personal cake for their wedding since it went against his religious beliefs. This is only an issue because people want it to be. People are running out of shit to bitch about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hicks233 06/07/18 1:36:36 PM #25:	As long as it goes both ways. --- http://s2.excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=9458 So says Mr. Stewart. <cite>Hicks233 posted [p:902716665] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>As long as it goes both ways.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 06/07/18 1:39:17 PM #26:	Hicks233 posted... As long as it goes both ways. Sure why not. Only problem is if they refuse to sell to Christians just "because" they will likely alienate a large portion of their customers. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:902716795] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hicks233 posted...</cite> <quote>As long as it goes both ways.</quote> Sure why not. Only problem is if they refuse to sell to Christians just "because" they will likely alienate a large portion of their customers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pillowpantz 06/07/18 1:39:44 PM #27:	If they go to a gay church that disapproves of Christianity, sure. --- https://youtu.be/o8sXa3IdrOU https://youtu.be/TO45esybdYg https://youtu.be/hcrjb5dzhvw http://archive.is/Zp6HT <cite>Pillowpantz posted [p:902716817] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>If they go to a gay church that disapproves of Christianity, sure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
billcom6 06/07/18 1:40:48 PM #28:	Yes because Jesus said never talk to sinners or do business with them. --- Because most days are bad days... --- Steam and Fortnite PC: billcom6 My Teams: The Ohio State Buckeyes, New York Yankees, Buffalo Bills, The CBJ, Cavs <cite>billcom6 posted [p:902716873] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>Yes because Jesus said never talk to sinners or do business with them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 06/07/18 1:41:07 PM #29:	Pillowpantz posted... If they go to a gay church that disapproves of Christianity, sure. careful the internet is listening. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:902716891] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pillowpantz posted...</cite> <quote>If they go to a gay church that disapproves of Christianity, sure.</quote> careful the internet is listening.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 06/07/18 1:42:01 PM #30:	HypnoCoosh posted... Hicks233 posted... As long as it goes both ways. Sure why not. Only problem is if they refuse to sell to Christians just "because" they will likely alienate a large portion of their customers. What if it's not just "because" but as plenty of them feel they will be damned to hell for eternity because of the way they were born? --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:902716934] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>HypnoCoosh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hicks233 posted...</cite> <quote>As long as it goes both ways.</quote> Sure why not. Only problem is if they refuse to sell to Christians just "because" they will likely alienate a large portion of their customers.</quote> What if it's not just "because" but as plenty of them feel they will be damned to hell for eternity because of the way they were born?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 06/07/18 1:48:00 PM #31:	The Great Muta 22 posted... What if it's not just "because" but as plenty of them feel they will be damned to hell for eternity because of the way they were born? I would wonder why as grown adults they haven't learned not to care what other people think about them. Also if you don't follow a specific religion who cares. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:902717260] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>What if it's not just "because" but as plenty of them feel they will be damned to hell for eternity because of the way they were born?</quote> I would wonder why as grown adults they haven't learned not to care what other people think about them. Also if you don't follow a specific religion who cares.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 2:03:47 PM #32:	What people don't seem to understand is that these bakeries aren't refusing to serve gay people. They are refusing to take part in something they consider immoral - the celebration of homosexuality. If a gay couple asked them to bake a birthday cake, I'm sure they would be fine with that, because they would be taking part in the celebration of a birth, not homosexuality. If a straight friend of the gay couple was buying the gay couple their wedding cake for them, the baker wouldn't serve the straight person either because, again, it's not about who they are serving, but rather what they themselves are participating in by providing that specific service. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:902718165] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>What people don't seem to understand is that these bakeries aren't refusing to serve gay people. They are refusing to take part in something they consider immoral - the celebration of homosexuality. If a gay couple asked them to bake a birthday cake, I'm sure they would be fine with that, because they would be taking part in the celebration of a birth, not homosexuality. If a straight friend of the gay couple was buying the gay couple their wedding cake for them, the baker wouldn't serve the straight person either because, again, it's not about who they are serving, but rather what they themselves are participating in by providing that specific service.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 06/07/18 2:08:19 PM #33:	Vindris_SNH posted... What people don't seem to understand is that these bakeries aren't refusing to serve gay people. They are refusing to take part in something they consider immoral - the celebration of homosexuality. If a gay couple asked them to bake a birthday cake, I'm sure they would be fine with that, because they would be taking part in the celebration of a birth, not homosexuality. If a straight friend of the gay couple was buying the gay couple their wedding cake for them, the baker wouldn't serve the straight person either because, again, it's not about who they are serving, but rather what they themselves are participating in by providing that specific service. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:902718395] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>What people don't seem to understand is that these bakeries aren't refusing to serve gay people. They are refusing to take part in something they consider immoral - the celebration of homosexuality. If a gay couple asked them to bake a birthday cake, I'm sure they would be fine with that, because they would be taking part in the celebration of a birth, not homosexuality. If a straight friend of the gay couple was buying the gay couple their wedding cake for them, the baker wouldn't serve the straight person either because, again, it's not about who they are serving, but rather what they themselves are participating in by providing that specific service.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/07/18 2:08:42 PM #34:	Vindris_SNH posted... What people don't seem to understand is that these bakeries aren't refusing to serve gay people. They are refusing to take part in something they consider immoral - the celebration of homosexuality. If a gay couple asked them to bake a birthday cake, I'm sure they would be fine with that, because they would be taking part in the celebration of a birth, not homosexuality. If a straight friend of the gay couple was buying the gay couple their wedding cake for them, the baker wouldn't serve the straight person either because, again, it's not about who they are serving, but rather what they themselves are participating in by providing that specific service. They're refusing to serve them the same way they would a straight couple. What if a gay baker didn't want to bake a cake to be served at a church that condemns homosexuals? Could they refuse to do it? They'd be taking part in something they don't agree with as well. --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902718414] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>What people don't seem to understand is that these bakeries aren't refusing to serve gay people. They are refusing to take part in something they consider immoral - the celebration of homosexuality. If a gay couple asked them to bake a birthday cake, I'm sure they would be fine with that, because they would be taking part in the celebration of a birth, not homosexuality. If a straight friend of the gay couple was buying the gay couple their wedding cake for them, the baker wouldn't serve the straight person either because, again, it's not about who they are serving, but rather what they themselves are participating in by providing that specific service.</quote> They're refusing to serve them the same way they would a straight couple. What if a gay baker didn't want to bake a cake to be served at a church that condemns homosexuals? Could they refuse to do it? They'd be taking part in something they don't agree with as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StarReaper13 06/07/18 2:40:31 PM #35:	Abyssea posted... Vindris_SNH posted... What people don't seem to understand is that these bakeries aren't refusing to serve gay people. They are refusing to take part in something they consider immoral - the celebration of homosexuality. If a gay couple asked them to bake a birthday cake, I'm sure they would be fine with that, because they would be taking part in the celebration of a birth, not homosexuality. If a straight friend of the gay couple was buying the gay couple their wedding cake for them, the baker wouldn't serve the straight person either because, again, it's not about who they are serving, but rather what they themselves are participating in by providing that specific service. They're refusing to serve them the same way they would a straight couple. What if a gay baker didn't want to bake a cake to be served at a church that condemns homosexuals? Could they refuse to do it? They'd be taking part in something they don't agree with as well. Depends if the church is serving it at an event that also condemns homosexuals, otherwise it's not an equal example to the actual people, as otherwise they would have still sold the cake. Just not a custom wedding cake for something they didn't believe in. --- Ignore when people say that the title length is not important, that a title should just convey what the game is about. They're just jealous theirs isn't as long <cite>StarReaper13 posted [p:902720128] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>What people don't seem to understand is that these bakeries aren't refusing to serve gay people. They are refusing to take part in something they consider immoral - the celebration of homosexuality. If a gay couple asked them to bake a birthday cake, I'm sure they would be fine with that, because they would be taking part in the celebration of a birth, not homosexuality. If a straight friend of the gay couple was buying the gay couple their wedding cake for them, the baker wouldn't serve the straight person either because, again, it's not about who they are serving, but rather what they themselves are participating in by providing that specific service.</quote> They're refusing to serve them the same way they would a straight couple. What if a gay baker didn't want to bake a cake to be served at a church that condemns homosexuals? Could they refuse to do it? They'd be taking part in something they don't agree with as well.</quote> Depends if the church is serving it at an event that also condemns homosexuals, otherwise it's not an equal example to the actual people, as otherwise they would have still sold the cake. Just not a custom wedding cake for something they didn't believe in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 2:41:34 PM #36:	Abyssea posted... Vindris_SNH posted... What people don't seem to understand is that these bakeries aren't refusing to serve gay people. They are refusing to take part in something they consider immoral - the celebration of homosexuality. If a gay couple asked them to bake a birthday cake, I'm sure they would be fine with that, because they would be taking part in the celebration of a birth, not homosexuality. If a straight friend of the gay couple was buying the gay couple their wedding cake for them, the baker wouldn't serve the straight person either because, again, it's not about who they are serving, but rather what they themselves are participating in by providing that specific service. They're refusing to serve them the same way they would a straight couple. What if a gay baker didn't want to bake a cake to be served at a church that condemns homosexuals? Could they refuse to do it? They'd be taking part in something they don't agree with as well. No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. If a gay baker felt he would somehow be taking part in the condemnation of homosexuality, then he should have every right to refuse to participate in whatever activity would cause that. --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:902720189] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Abyssea posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>What people don't seem to understand is that these bakeries aren't refusing to serve gay people. They are refusing to take part in something they consider immoral - the celebration of homosexuality. If a gay couple asked them to bake a birthday cake, I'm sure they would be fine with that, because they would be taking part in the celebration of a birth, not homosexuality. If a straight friend of the gay couple was buying the gay couple their wedding cake for them, the baker wouldn't serve the straight person either because, again, it's not about who they are serving, but rather what they themselves are participating in by providing that specific service.</quote> They're refusing to serve them the same way they would a straight couple. What if a gay baker didn't want to bake a cake to be served at a church that condemns homosexuals? Could they refuse to do it? They'd be taking part in something they don't agree with as well.</quote> No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. If a gay baker felt he would somehow be taking part in the condemnation of homosexuality, then he should have every right to refuse to participate in whatever activity would cause that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 06/07/18 2:44:27 PM #37:	Vindris_SNH posted... No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:902720339] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral.</quote> Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metralo 06/07/18 2:45:37 PM #38:	of fucking course not but conservatrolls wish for this to be like to civil rights era so they will "act" like they should be allowed to but when it actually happens they will throw a fit --- https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1298321979/image.jpg bustin makes me feel good <cite>metralo posted [p:902720403] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>of fucking course not but conservatrolls wish for this to be like to civil rights era so they will "act" like they should be allowed to but when it actually happens they will throw a fit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/07/18 2:47:46 PM #39:	StarReaper13 posted... Depends if the church is serving it at an event that also condemns homosexuals, otherwise it's not an equal example to the actual people, as otherwise they would have still sold the cake. Just not a custom wedding cake for something they didn't believe in. it sounds like you're going to pretty extreme ends to try and justify refusing to serve paying customers because of their sexuality. :v a gay wedding cake is functionally the same as a straight wedding cake. refusing to deliver it is one thing, but refusing to provide the product is another. the whole thing is stupid. what if a straight couple lied about their names and ordered the cake and gave it to the gay couple to use? :v If you've got some gays with unisex names they would be none the wiser. ~~... think i just got an idea~~ --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902720510] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>StarReaper13 posted...</cite> <quote>Depends if the church is serving it at an event that also condemns homosexuals, otherwise it's not an equal example to the actual people, as otherwise they would have still sold the cake. Just not a custom wedding cake for something they didn't believe in.</quote> it sounds like you're going to pretty extreme ends to try and justify refusing to serve paying customers because of their sexuality. :v a gay wedding cake is functionally the same as a straight wedding cake. refusing to deliver it is one thing, but refusing to provide the product is another. the whole thing is stupid. what if a straight couple lied about their names and ordered the cake and gave it to the gay couple to use? :v If you've got some gays with unisex names they would be none the wiser. ... think i just got an idea</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LRodC 06/07/18 2:50:21 PM #40:	https://imgur.com/a/2xqrsFf <cite>LRodC posted [p:902720652] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>https://imgur.com/a/2xqrsFf</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vindris_SNH 06/07/18 2:52:52 PM #41:	hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club. Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers? --- glitteringfairy: Just build the damn wall ThyCorndog: and how exactly will that stop the mexican space program from orbital dropping illegal immigrants? <cite>Vindris_SNH posted [p:902720809] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral.</quote> Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club.</quote> Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/07/18 2:53:13 PM #42:	LRodC posted... https://imgur.com/a/2xqrsFf the ironic thing is that the exact reverse is happening on the other side of the world. :o things are better this way, trust me. --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902720824] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>LRodC posted...</cite> <quote>https://imgur.com/a/2xqrsFf</quote> the ironic thing is that the exact reverse is happening on the other side of the world. :o things are better this way, trust me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/07/18 2:53:45 PM #43:	Vindris_SNH posted... hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club. Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers? They do serve murderers all the time though... --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902720851] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral.</quote> Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club.</quote> Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers?</quote> They do serve murderers all the time though...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MawiIe-Mega 06/07/18 2:55:59 PM #44:	nevermind the debate, i just want cake <cite>MawiIe-Mega posted [p:902720984] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>nevermind the debate, i just want cake</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/07/18 2:56:31 PM #45:	MawiIe-Mega posted... nevermind the debate, i just want cake i'm a gay Christian so I can't eat cake. :( --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902721025] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>MawiIe-Mega posted...</cite> <quote>nevermind the debate, i just want cake</quote> i'm a gay Christian so I can't eat cake. :(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedzXVIII 06/07/18 2:57:22 PM #46:	Vindris_SNH posted... hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club. Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers? To serve people who want to protect themselves and loved ones from murderers --- Hi <cite>MedzXVIII posted [p:902721078] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral.</quote> Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club.</quote> Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers?</quote> To serve people who want to protect themselves and loved ones from murderers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 06/07/18 2:57:47 PM #47:	Vindris_SNH posted... hockeybub89 posted... Vindris_SNH posted... No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral. Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club. Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers? Can convicted murderers even pass a background check? Also what is with people comparing gay people to Nazis and murderers in these debates? Is this some emotional ploy to get people to question their views or are we admitting our true feelings on gay people? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:902721102] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Vindris_SNH posted...</cite> <quote>No one should be forced to participate in things they consider to be immoral.</quote> Why open a bakery to the public if baking for the all of the public is immoral? If you want to follow your morals, open a member only club.</quote> Why open a gun shop to the public if you're not going to serve murderers?</quote> Can convicted murderers even pass a background check? Also what is with people comparing gay people to Nazis and murderers in these debates? Is this some emotional ploy to get people to question their views or are we admitting our true feelings on gay people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 06/07/18 2:58:28 PM #48:	Sure. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:902721137] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>Sure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 06/07/18 3:01:29 PM #49:	That seems pretty petty. Not every Christian is anti gay --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:902721305] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>That seems pretty petty. Not every Christian is anti gay</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Abyssea 06/07/18 3:02:09 PM #50:	I think what gay guys should start doing is bringing their best girlfriend/good Judy with them to the bakery to order the cake, and pretend it is the two of you getting married. :v then once you pick it up just cross out her name and write in the other guy's name. If you marry a guy named Adrian or Jesse you could just have her say that's her name instead and save some time. --- https://imgur.com/F2h5rw2 <cite>Abyssea posted [p:902721345] in Do you thi... [t:76680911]...</cite> <quote>I think what gay guys should start doing is bringing their best girlfriend/good Judy with them to the bakery to order the cake, and pretend it is the two of you getting married. :v then once you pick it up just cross out her name and write in the other guy's name. If you marry a guy named Adrian or Jesse you could just have her say that's her name instead and save some time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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