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Dash_Harber 06/04/18 12:19:52 AM #51:	dave_is_slick posted... Dash_Harber posted... - They are at war and the Empire has tons of resources and are known to hire or payoff any asset they can use against the rebels. - The plan actually did leak, highlighting the whole point. - It's a massive ship with tons of crew and people on board, all of which are volunteers. - We have no idea how they would background check anyone. - Perhaps most importantly, Leia was actually screwed over by the same situation before and knows how influential the Empire can be. Literally none of this is implied or shown. It's an entirely out of universe reason people are forcing in order to excuse the dumb fuck that is Holdo. Uhhhh ... Did you not see The Empire Strikes Back? Anyway, I'm not sure why you think they even have to show it. It's common sense that the Empire would have spies since they have done it before, multiple times, and the Rebellion is a voluntary group. That's like saying, 'well the ship clearly has no bathroom facilities because we never see any of them'. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:902509571] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>- They are at war and the Empire has tons of resources and are known to hire or payoff any asset they can use against the rebels. - The plan actually did leak, highlighting the whole point. - It's a massive ship with tons of crew and people on board, all of which are volunteers. - We have no idea how they would background check anyone. - Perhaps most importantly, Leia was actually screwed over by the same situation before and knows how influential the Empire can be.</quote> Literally none of this is implied or shown. It's an entirely out of universe reason people are forcing in order to excuse the dumb fuck that is Holdo.</quote> Uhhhh ... Did you not see The Empire Strikes Back? Anyway, I'm not sure why you think they even have to show it. It's common sense that the Empire would have spies since they have done it before, multiple times, and the Rebellion is a voluntary group. That's like saying, 'well the ship clearly has no bathroom facilities because we never see any of them'.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
action52 06/04/18 12:20:56 AM #52:	Why didn't Poe tell Holdo about his plan? Unlike Holdo, he was actually breaking the rules to do it. Hell, C-3PO even got all nervous when Poe was doing it. Why does everybody act like Holdo was stupid to not tell everyone her plan, but no one ever criticizes Poe's decision not to tell his commanding officer? --- i am truley sorry for your lots <cite>action52 posted [p:902509622] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote>Why didn't Poe tell Holdo about his plan? Unlike Holdo, he was actually breaking the rules to do it. Hell, C-3PO even got all nervous when Poe was doing it. Why does everybody act like Holdo was stupid to not tell everyone her plan, but no one ever criticizes Poe's decision not to tell his commanding officer?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 06/04/18 12:22:36 AM #53:	Dash_Harber posted... Uhhhh ... Did you not see The Empire Strikes Back? What bad movie relies on "it happened before"? Oh yeah, this one! There was no reason at all based on TFA why anyone would suspect a spy, especially when the obvious suspect was unconscious. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:902509688] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Uhhhh ... Did you not see The Empire Strikes Back?</quote> What bad movie relies on "it happened before"? Oh yeah, this one! There was no reason at all based on TFA why anyone would suspect a spy, especially when the obvious suspect was unconscious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViralMoose 06/04/18 12:23:10 AM #54:	Dash_Harber posted... Uhhhh ... Did you not see The Empire Strikes Back? Anyway, I'm not sure why you think they even have to show it. It's common sense that the Empire would have spies since they have done it before, multiple times, and the Rebellion is a voluntary group. That's like saying, 'well the ship clearly has no bathroom facilities because we never see any of them'. Did you not see A New Hope? Remember that scene where they got all the Rebel pilots together and laid out in detail what their plan was? Were they worried about spies then, or did the Empire never think to use spies against their enemies until after their Death Star was blown up twice? <cite>ViralMoose posted [p:902509712] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote> Uhhhh ... Did you not see The Empire Strikes Back? Anyway, I'm not sure why you think they even have to show it. It's common sense that the Empire would have spies since they have done it before, multiple times, and the Rebellion is a voluntary group. That's like saying, 'well the ship clearly has no bathroom facilities because we never see any of them'.</quote> Did you not see A New Hope? Remember that scene where they got all the Rebel pilots together and laid out in detail what their plan was? Were they worried about spies then, or did the Empire never think to use spies against their enemies until after their Death Star was blown up twice?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 06/04/18 12:23:41 AM #55:	action52 posted... but no one ever criticizes Poe's decision not to tell his commanding officer? Because said commanding officer was leading everyone to their deaths. A mutiny doesn't happen if just Poe doesn't believe in her. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:902509733] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>action52 posted...</cite> <quote>but no one ever criticizes Poe's decision not to tell his commanding officer?</quote> Because said commanding officer was leading everyone to their deaths. A mutiny doesn't happen if just Poe doesn't believe in her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 06/04/18 12:24:52 AM #56:	It's a shame, the very few cool things TLJ had, they were actually awesome. Too bad the movie wasn't. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:902509775] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote>It's a shame, the very few cool things TLJ had, they were actually awesome. Too bad the movie wasn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 06/04/18 12:28:48 AM #57:	ViralMoose posted... No, because there seems to have been no reason to keep him or anyone out of the plan. For all they knew they had a mole. Hyperspace tracking is something that was just developed recently by the First Order. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:902509902] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>ViralMoose posted...</cite> <quote>No, because there seems to have been no reason to keep him or anyone out of the plan.</quote> For all they knew they had a mole. Hyperspace tracking is something that was just developed recently by the First Order.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViralMoose 06/04/18 12:30:08 AM #58:	CarlGrimes posted... ViralMoose posted... No, because there seems to have been no reason to keep him or anyone out of the plan. For all they knew they had a mole. Hyperspace tracking is something that was just developed recently by the First Order. That was never once established, and Poe was one of their most consistent and successful pilots. There was no good reason for Holdo to allow the mutiny to happen without letting Poe in on the deal. Even if Poe was a spy, he had them all at gunpoint. There would literally have been nothing to lose at that point if Holdo assuaged his concerns. <cite>ViralMoose posted [p:902509944] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ViralMoose posted...</cite> <quote>No, because there seems to have been no reason to keep him or anyone out of the plan.</quote> For all they knew they had a mole. Hyperspace tracking is something that was just developed recently by the First Order.</quote> That was never once established, and Poe was one of their most consistent and successful pilots. There was no good reason for Holdo to allow the mutiny to happen without letting Poe in on the deal. Even if Poe was a spy, he had them all at gunpoint. There would literally have been nothing to lose at that point if Holdo assuaged his concerns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 06/04/18 1:03:22 AM #59:	They never brought up that idea of there being a spy. Beyond that Poe literally just blew up Star Killer base. Sometimes Spys have to do a lot to keep cover but that. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:902511080] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote>They never brought up that idea of there being a spy. Beyond that Poe literally just blew up Star Killer base. Sometimes Spys have to do a lot to keep cover but that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/04/18 1:07:03 AM #60:	dave_is_slick posted... What bad movie relies on "it happened before"? Oh yeah, this one! There was no reason at all based on TFA why anyone would suspect a spy, especially when the obvious suspect was unconscious. It's not even that. Spies exist in war. I'm not sure why you think this would be a revelation in the Star Wars universe. ViralMoose posted... Did you not see A New Hope? Remember that scene where they got all the Rebel pilots together and laid out in detail what their plan was? Were they worried about spies then, or did the Empire never think to use spies against their enemies until after their Death Star was blown up twice? Oh, you mean the pilots that needed to know the plan because they were the most elite and trusted pilots of the Rebellion and were being briefed five seconds before versus letting the entire staff of a starship, including the reckless pilot who almost got everyone killed, in on the plan just so no one gets tempted to break down the chain of command and recklessly endanger everyone in the middle of the combat situation. You're right, totally the exact same situation. ViralMoose posted... That was never once established, and Poe was one of their most consistent and successful pilots. There was no good reason for Holdo to allow the mutiny to happen without letting Poe in on the deal. Even if Poe was a spy, he had them all at gunpoint. There would literally have been nothing to lose at that point if Holdo assuaged his concerns. This is the most insane catch-22. You claim it's not established that the Empire has spies and cuts deals, except that we pointed out that it was, to which you reply that relying on earlier entries is lazy writing. Not only that, but the whole reason the plan didn't work is that the Empire did exactly what they were trying to protect against. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:902511196] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>What bad movie relies on "it happened before"? Oh yeah, this one! There was no reason at all based on TFA why anyone would suspect a spy, especially when the obvious suspect was unconscious.</quote> It's not even that. Spies exist in war. I'm not sure why you think this would be a revelation in the Star Wars universe. <cite>ViralMoose posted...</cite> <quote> Did you not see A New Hope? Remember that scene where they got all the Rebel pilots together and laid out in detail what their plan was? Were they worried about spies then, or did the Empire never think to use spies against their enemies until after their Death Star was blown up twice?</quote> Oh, you mean the pilots that needed to know the plan because they were the most elite and trusted pilots of the Rebellion and were being briefed five seconds before versus letting the entire staff of a starship, including the reckless pilot who almost got everyone killed, in on the plan just so no one gets tempted to break down the chain of command and recklessly endanger everyone in the middle of the combat situation. You're right, totally the exact same situation. <cite>ViralMoose posted...</cite> <quote>That was never once established, and Poe was one of their most consistent and successful pilots. There was no good reason for Holdo to allow the mutiny to happen without letting Poe in on the deal. Even if Poe was a spy, he had them all at gunpoint. There would literally have been nothing to lose at that point if Holdo assuaged his concerns.</quote> This is the most insane catch-22. You claim it's not established that the Empire has spies and cuts deals, except that we pointed out that it was, to which you reply that relying on earlier entries is lazy writing. Not only that, but the whole reason the plan didn't work is that the Empire did exactly what they were trying to protect against.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViralMoose 06/04/18 1:27:53 AM #61:	Dash_Harber posted... Oh, you mean the pilots that needed to know the plan because they were the most elite and trusted pilots of the Rebellion and were being briefed five seconds before versus letting the entire staff of a starship, including the reckless pilot who almost got everyone killed, in on the plan just so no one gets tempted to break down the chain of command and recklessly endanger everyone in the middle of the combat situation. You're right, totally the exact same situation. Like @cjsdowg said, Poe is the one who blew up Starkiller base. They had zero reason to suspect he was a spy. <cite>ViralMoose posted [p:902511910] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, you mean the pilots that needed to know the plan because they were the most elite and trusted pilots of the Rebellion and were being briefed five seconds before versus letting the entire staff of a starship, including the reckless pilot who almost got everyone killed, in on the plan just so no one gets tempted to break down the chain of command and recklessly endanger everyone in the middle of the combat situation. You're right, totally the exact same situation.</quote> Like @cjsdowg said, Poe is the one who blew up Starkiller base. They had zero reason to suspect he was a spy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/04/18 1:28:30 AM #62:	ViralMoose posted... Dash_Harber posted... Oh, you mean the pilots that needed to know the plan because they were the most elite and trusted pilots of the Rebellion and were being briefed five seconds before versus letting the entire staff of a starship, including the reckless pilot who almost got everyone killed, in on the plan just so no one gets tempted to break down the chain of command and recklessly endanger everyone in the middle of the combat situation. You're right, totally the exact same situation. Like @cjsdowg said, Poe is the one who blew up Starkiller base. They had zero reason to suspect he was a spy. No, but he was reckless and shot off his mouth, a lot. In fact, it's the whole reason the plan leaked. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:902511928] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>ViralMoose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, you mean the pilots that needed to know the plan because they were the most elite and trusted pilots of the Rebellion and were being briefed five seconds before versus letting the entire staff of a starship, including the reckless pilot who almost got everyone killed, in on the plan just so no one gets tempted to break down the chain of command and recklessly endanger everyone in the middle of the combat situation. You're right, totally the exact same situation.</quote> Like @cjsdowg said, Poe is the one who blew up Starkiller base. They had zero reason to suspect he was a spy.</quote> No, but he was reckless and shot off his mouth, a lot. In fact, it's the whole reason the plan leaked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 06/04/18 1:30:54 AM #63:	dirtycommunist posted... The theme of the movie was learning from your mistakes/failures, which presumably Poe will do from now on. As for why she didn't tell Poe the plan from the start, probably because she (rightly) thought he was a hothead who couldn't be trusted to follow orders. Then why have him as an officer on the first place? --- FFX is the best game of all time. The only good Nintendo franchises are Pokemon and Fire Emblem. Comics are for kids. https://imgur.com/LJ3WSyB Reylo Ship <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:902512023] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>dirtycommunist posted...</cite> <quote>The theme of the movie was learning from your mistakes/failures, which presumably Poe will do from now on. As for why she didn't tell Poe the plan from the start, probably because she (rightly) thought he was a hothead who couldn't be trusted to follow orders.</quote> Then why have him as an officer on the first place?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/04/18 1:32:14 AM #64:	ColdOne666 posted... dirtycommunist posted... The theme of the movie was learning from your mistakes/failures, which presumably Poe will do from now on. As for why she didn't tell Poe the plan from the start, probably because she (rightly) thought he was a hothead who couldn't be trusted to follow orders. Then why have him as an officer on the first place? He's still a damn good pilot, and he's a great figurehead. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:902512067] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dirtycommunist posted...</cite> <quote>The theme of the movie was learning from your mistakes/failures, which presumably Poe will do from now on. As for why she didn't tell Poe the plan from the start, probably because she (rightly) thought he was a hothead who couldn't be trusted to follow orders.</quote> Then why have him as an officer on the first place?</quote> He's still a damn good pilot, and he's a great figurehead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViralMoose 06/04/18 1:34:47 AM #65:	Dash_Harber posted... ViralMoose posted... Dash_Harber posted... Oh, you mean the pilots that needed to know the plan because they were the most elite and trusted pilots of the Rebellion and were being briefed five seconds before versus letting the entire staff of a starship, including the reckless pilot who almost got everyone killed, in on the plan just so no one gets tempted to break down the chain of command and recklessly endanger everyone in the middle of the combat situation. You're right, totally the exact same situation. Like @cjsdowg said, Poe is the one who blew up Starkiller base. They had zero reason to suspect he was a spy. No, but he was reckless and shot off his mouth, a lot. In fact, it's the whole reason the plan leaked. It's almost like a protagonist is supposed to have a problem with sending their friends off to be killed for no good reason. <cite>ViralMoose posted [p:902512143] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ViralMoose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, you mean the pilots that needed to know the plan because they were the most elite and trusted pilots of the Rebellion and were being briefed five seconds before versus letting the entire staff of a starship, including the reckless pilot who almost got everyone killed, in on the plan just so no one gets tempted to break down the chain of command and recklessly endanger everyone in the middle of the combat situation. You're right, totally the exact same situation.</quote> Like @cjsdowg said, Poe is the one who blew up Starkiller base. They had zero reason to suspect he was a spy.</quote> No, but he was reckless and shot off his mouth, a lot. In fact, it's the whole reason the plan leaked.</quote> It's almost like a protagonist is supposed to have a problem with sending their friends off to be killed for no good reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/04/18 1:37:58 AM #66:	ViralMoose posted... Dash_Harber posted... ViralMoose posted... Dash_Harber posted... Oh, you mean the pilots that needed to know the plan because they were the most elite and trusted pilots of the Rebellion and were being briefed five seconds before versus letting the entire staff of a starship, including the reckless pilot who almost got everyone killed, in on the plan just so no one gets tempted to break down the chain of command and recklessly endanger everyone in the middle of the combat situation. You're right, totally the exact same situation. Like @cjsdowg said, Poe is the one who blew up Starkiller base. They had zero reason to suspect he was a spy. No, but he was reckless and shot off his mouth, a lot. In fact, it's the whole reason the plan leaked. It's almost like a protagonist is supposed to have a problem with sending their friends off to be killed for no good reason. You understand that in-universe, the protagonist means nothing, right? Holdo doesn't know he is the protagonist. What she does know is that he is a popular pilot who she can't fire due to his prestige, but can't trust due to his hotheaded nature and stunts like the one he pulled at the beginning. She also knows it is possible that the Empire has eyes or ears onboard, and that Poe likes to talk. If you were her, you can honestly tell me that you would have told the hotheaded young figurehead pilot the secret plan right away? <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:902512240] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>ViralMoose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ViralMoose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, you mean the pilots that needed to know the plan because they were the most elite and trusted pilots of the Rebellion and were being briefed five seconds before versus letting the entire staff of a starship, including the reckless pilot who almost got everyone killed, in on the plan just so no one gets tempted to break down the chain of command and recklessly endanger everyone in the middle of the combat situation. You're right, totally the exact same situation.</quote> Like @cjsdowg said, Poe is the one who blew up Starkiller base. They had zero reason to suspect he was a spy.</quote> No, but he was reckless and shot off his mouth, a lot. In fact, it's the whole reason the plan leaked.</quote> It's almost like a protagonist is supposed to have a problem with sending their friends off to be killed for no good reason.</quote> You understand that in-universe, the protagonist means nothing, right? Holdo doesn't know he is the protagonist. What she does know is that he is a popular pilot who she can't fire due to his prestige, but can't trust due to his hotheaded nature and stunts like the one he pulled at the beginning. She also knows it is possible that the Empire has eyes or ears onboard, and that Poe likes to talk. If you were her, you can honestly tell me that you would have told the hotheaded young figurehead pilot the secret plan right away?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 06/04/18 1:42:52 AM #67:	Dash_Harber posted... ViralMoose posted... Dash_Harber posted... ViralMoose posted... Dash_Harber posted... Oh, you mean the pilots that needed to know the plan because they were the most elite and trusted pilots of the Rebellion and were being briefed five seconds before versus letting the entire staff of a starship, including the reckless pilot who almost got everyone killed, in on the plan just so no one gets tempted to break down the chain of command and recklessly endanger everyone in the middle of the combat situation. You're right, totally the exact same situation. Like @cjsdowg said, Poe is the one who blew up Starkiller base. They had zero reason to suspect he was a spy. No, but he was reckless and shot off his mouth, a lot. In fact, it's the whole reason the plan leaked. It's almost like a protagonist is supposed to have a problem with sending their friends off to be killed for no good reason. You understand that in-universe, the protagonist means nothing, right? Holdo doesn't know he is the protagonist. What she does know is that he is a popular pilot who she can't fire due to his prestige, but can't trust due to his hotheaded nature and stunts like the one he pulled at the beginning. She also knows it is possible that the Empire has eyes or ears onboard, and that Poe likes to talk. If you were her, you can honestly tell me that you would have told the hotheaded young figurehead pilot the secret plan right away? Your putting more effort in then the writers did. The whole thing was a girls are smart boys are dumb plotline like the rest of the movie. --- FFX is the best game of all time. The only good Nintendo franchises are Pokemon and Fire Emblem. Comics are for kids. https://imgur.com/LJ3WSyB Reylo Ship <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:902512386] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ViralMoose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ViralMoose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, you mean the pilots that needed to know the plan because they were the most elite and trusted pilots of the Rebellion and were being briefed five seconds before versus letting the entire staff of a starship, including the reckless pilot who almost got everyone killed, in on the plan just so no one gets tempted to break down the chain of command and recklessly endanger everyone in the middle of the combat situation. You're right, totally the exact same situation.</quote> Like @cjsdowg said, Poe is the one who blew up Starkiller base. They had zero reason to suspect he was a spy.</quote> No, but he was reckless and shot off his mouth, a lot. In fact, it's the whole reason the plan leaked.</quote> It's almost like a protagonist is supposed to have a problem with sending their friends off to be killed for no good reason.</quote> You understand that in-universe, the protagonist means nothing, right? Holdo doesn't know he is the protagonist. What she does know is that he is a popular pilot who she can't fire due to his prestige, but can't trust due to his hotheaded nature and stunts like the one he pulled at the beginning. She also knows it is possible that the Empire has eyes or ears onboard, and that Poe likes to talk. If you were her, you can honestly tell me that you would have told the hotheaded young figurehead pilot the secret plan right away?</quote> Your putting more effort in then the writers did. The whole thing was a girls are smart boys are dumb plotline like the rest of the movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViralMoose 06/04/18 1:43:22 AM #68:	Dash_Harber posted... You understand that in-universe, the protagonist means nothing, right? Holdo doesn't know he is the protagonist. Missing the point. The lesson that Poe is supposedly supposed to learn here is to blindly follow orders, even when it looks like it's going to lead to everyone's death. Like I said before, that sounds like something a villain would believe, not the protagonists. <cite>ViralMoose posted [p:902512399] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote> You understand that in-universe, the protagonist means nothing, right? Holdo doesn't know he is the protagonist. </quote> Missing the point. The lesson that Poe is supposedly supposed to learn here is to blindly follow orders, even when it looks like it's going to lead to everyone's death. Like I said before, that sounds like something a villain would believe, not the protagonists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/04/18 1:43:43 AM #69:	ColdOne666 posted... Dash_Harber posted... ViralMoose posted... Dash_Harber posted... ViralMoose posted... Dash_Harber posted... Oh, you mean the pilots that needed to know the plan because they were the most elite and trusted pilots of the Rebellion and were being briefed five seconds before versus letting the entire staff of a starship, including the reckless pilot who almost got everyone killed, in on the plan just so no one gets tempted to break down the chain of command and recklessly endanger everyone in the middle of the combat situation. You're right, totally the exact same situation. Like @cjsdowg said, Poe is the one who blew up Starkiller base. They had zero reason to suspect he was a spy. No, but he was reckless and shot off his mouth, a lot. In fact, it's the whole reason the plan leaked. It's almost like a protagonist is supposed to have a problem with sending their friends off to be killed for no good reason. You understand that in-universe, the protagonist means nothing, right? Holdo doesn't know he is the protagonist. What she does know is that he is a popular pilot who she can't fire due to his prestige, but can't trust due to his hotheaded nature and stunts like the one he pulled at the beginning. She also knows it is possible that the Empire has eyes or ears onboard, and that Poe likes to talk. If you were her, you can honestly tell me that you would have told the hotheaded young figurehead pilot the secret plan right away? Your putting more effort in then the writers did. The whole thing was a girls are smart boys are dumb plotline like the rest of the movie. Oh, there it is. >_> <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:902512414] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ViralMoose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ViralMoose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, you mean the pilots that needed to know the plan because they were the most elite and trusted pilots of the Rebellion and were being briefed five seconds before versus letting the entire staff of a starship, including the reckless pilot who almost got everyone killed, in on the plan just so no one gets tempted to break down the chain of command and recklessly endanger everyone in the middle of the combat situation. You're right, totally the exact same situation.</quote> Like @cjsdowg said, Poe is the one who blew up Starkiller base. They had zero reason to suspect he was a spy.</quote> No, but he was reckless and shot off his mouth, a lot. In fact, it's the whole reason the plan leaked.</quote> It's almost like a protagonist is supposed to have a problem with sending their friends off to be killed for no good reason.</quote> You understand that in-universe, the protagonist means nothing, right? Holdo doesn't know he is the protagonist. What she does know is that he is a popular pilot who she can't fire due to his prestige, but can't trust due to his hotheaded nature and stunts like the one he pulled at the beginning. She also knows it is possible that the Empire has eyes or ears onboard, and that Poe likes to talk. If you were her, you can honestly tell me that you would have told the hotheaded young figurehead pilot the secret plan right away?</quote> Your putting more effort in then the writers did. The whole thing was a girls are smart boys are dumb plotline like the rest of the movie.</quote> Oh, there it is. >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dib153 06/04/18 1:44:14 AM #70:	To be fair to Poe, she did assume leadership in the most C*y way possible, and she does, in fact, look like a traitorous t* --- "Dib is my new hero. Epic insult man, epic to the max" ~ Drakona <cite>dib153 posted [p:902512428] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote>To be fair to Poe, she did assume leadership in the most C*y way possible, and she does, in fact, look like a traitorous t*</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 06/04/18 6:07:29 AM #71:	Dash_Harber posted... he also knows it is possible that the Empire has eyes or ears onboard, and that Poe likes to talk. Now she knows that Poe likes to talk. Come on, you are just making up stuff to make this bad writing better. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:902517883] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>he also knows it is possible that the Empire has eyes or ears onboard, and that Poe likes to talk. </quote> Now she knows that Poe likes to talk. Come on, you are just making up stuff to make this bad writing better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 06/04/18 8:07:39 PM #72:	cjsdowg posted... Dash_Harber posted... he also knows it is possible that the Empire has eyes or ears onboard, and that Poe likes to talk. Now she knows that Poe likes to talk. Come on, you are just making up stuff to make this bad writing better. No, I'm not. Him being a reckless hothead was literally the first fucking thing that happened in the movie. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:902554723] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>he also knows it is possible that the Empire has eyes or ears onboard, and that Poe likes to talk. </quote> Now she knows that Poe likes to talk. Come on, you are just making up stuff to make this bad writing better.</quote> No, I'm not. Him being a reckless hothead was literally the first fucking thing that happened in the movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marthsheretoo 06/04/18 9:37:28 PM #73:	Dash_Harber posted... cjsdowg posted... Dash_Harber posted... he also knows it is possible that the Empire has eyes or ears onboard, and that Poe likes to talk. Now she knows that Poe likes to talk. Come on, you are just making up stuff to make this bad writing better. No, I'm not. Him being a reckless hothead was literally the first fucking thing that happened in the movie. Completely contradicting the last movie, but what's continuity, right? --- "Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon." -DevsBro <cite>marthsheretoo posted [p:902559592] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>he also knows it is possible that the Empire has eyes or ears onboard, and that Poe likes to talk. </quote> Now she knows that Poe likes to talk. Come on, you are just making up stuff to make this bad writing better.</quote> No, I'm not. Him being a reckless hothead was literally the first fucking thing that happened in the movie.</quote> Completely contradicting the last movie, but what's continuity, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wheelman1 06/04/18 9:38:31 PM #74:	Don't know and don't care. The movie is garbage. --- XBox Live GT: MastaMez PSN: KoolMez The Topic Killer \_0_/ <cite>The Wheelman1 posted [p:902559667] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote>Don't know and don't care. The movie is garbage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 06/04/18 9:45:01 PM #75:	The Wheelman1 posted... Don't know and don't care. The movie is garbage. Nah, it's one of the best in the series. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:902560037] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wheelman1 posted...</cite> <quote>Don't know and don't care. The movie is garbage.</quote> Nah, it's one of the best in the series.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 06/04/18 9:45:41 PM #76:	marthsheretoo posted... Dash_Harber posted... cjsdowg posted... Dash_Harber posted... he also knows it is possible that the Empire has eyes or ears onboard, and that Poe likes to talk. Now she knows that Poe likes to talk. Come on, you are just making up stuff to make this bad writing better. No, I'm not. Him being a reckless hothead was literally the first fucking thing that happened in the movie. Completely contradicting the last movie, but what's continuity, right? It don't contradict the last movie at all. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:902560080] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>marthsheretoo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>he also knows it is possible that the Empire has eyes or ears onboard, and that Poe likes to talk. </quote> Now she knows that Poe likes to talk. Come on, you are just making up stuff to make this bad writing better.</quote> No, I'm not. Him being a reckless hothead was literally the first fucking thing that happened in the movie.</quote> Completely contradicting the last movie, but what's continuity, right?</quote> It don't contradict the last movie at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 06/04/18 9:49:22 PM #77:	OctilIery posted... It don't contradict the last movie at all. They trusted this guy so much to give him two missions that could change the fate of the universe if he didn't fail. But all of the blue he is doesn't hot head he who needs to be humbled. Heck to be honest Rey is much more of a hot head than Poe. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:902560304] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> It don't contradict the last movie at all.</quote> They trusted this guy so much to give him two missions that could change the fate of the universe if he didn't fail. But all of the blue he is doesn't hot head he who needs to be humbled. Heck to be honest Rey is much more of a hot head than Poe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 06/04/18 10:00:57 PM #78:	cjsdowg posted... OctilIery posted... It don't contradict the last movie at all. They trusted this guy so much to give him two missions that could change the fate of the universe if he didn't fail. But all of the blue he is doesn't hot head he who needs to be humbled. Heck to be honest Rey is much more of a hot head than Poe. What missions were these exactly, and how does that show that he can't be a hothead? <cite>OctilIery posted [p:902560956] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> It don't contradict the last movie at all.</quote> They trusted this guy so much to give him two missions that could change the fate of the universe if he didn't fail. But all of the blue he is doesn't hot head he who needs to be humbled. Heck to be honest Rey is much more of a hot head than Poe.</quote> What missions were these exactly, and how does that show that he can't be a hothead?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BigSLM1993 06/04/18 10:03:18 PM #79:	Jeez what is seriously up with people? Like I thought the plot was stupid, but I dont recall there ever being a point where Holdo's or Poe's gender was brought up as to why one was correct or not. Yet folks are projecting that the film was attacking mansplaining, etc. Im totally lost where folks see that point. <cite>BigSLM1993 posted [p:902561076] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote>Jeez what is seriously up with people? Like I thought the plot was stupid, but I dont recall there ever being a point where Holdo's or Poe's gender was brought up as to why one was correct or not. Yet folks are projecting that the film was attacking mansplaining, etc. Im totally lost where folks see that point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 06/04/18 10:04:42 PM #80:	BigSLM1993 posted... Jeez what is seriously up with people? Like I thought the plot was stupid, but I dont recall there ever being a point where Holdo's or Poe's gender was brought up as to why one was correct or not. Yet folks are projecting that the film was attacking mansplaining, etc. Im totally lost where folks see that point. Haters gonna hate. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:902561155] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>BigSLM1993 posted...</cite> <quote>Jeez what is seriously up with people? Like I thought the plot was stupid, but I dont recall there ever being a point where Holdo's or Poe's gender was brought up as to why one was correct or not. Yet folks are projecting that the film was attacking mansplaining, etc. Im totally lost where folks see that point.</quote> Haters gonna hate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 06/04/18 10:04:50 PM #81:	BigSLM1993 posted... Jeez what is seriously up with people? Like I thought the plot was stupid, but I dont recall there ever being a point where Holdo's or Poe's gender was brought up as to why one was correct or not. Yet folks are projecting that the film was attacking mansplaining, etc. Im totally lost where folks see that point. After the movie people who liked it made a point about it. Talked about the movie just showed how Toxic Masculinity messes things up. And the producer said the Force is Female now. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:902561165] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>BigSLM1993 posted...</cite> <quote>Jeez what is seriously up with people? Like I thought the plot was stupid, but I dont recall there ever being a point where Holdo's or Poe's gender was brought up as to why one was correct or not. Yet folks are projecting that the film was attacking mansplaining, etc. Im totally lost where folks see that point. </quote> After the movie people who liked it made a point about it. Talked about the movie just showed how Toxic Masculinity messes things up. And the producer said the Force is Female now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 06/04/18 10:06:11 PM #82:	cjsdowg posted... BigSLM1993 posted... Jeez what is seriously up with people? Like I thought the plot was stupid, but I dont recall there ever being a point where Holdo's or Poe's gender was brought up as to why one was correct or not. Yet folks are projecting that the film was attacking mansplaining, etc. Im totally lost where folks see that point. After the movie people who liked it made a point about it. Talked about the movie just showed how Toxic Masculinity messes things up. And the producer said the Force is Female now. The producer doesn't make those decisions. And people making stupid claims doesn't excuse you making stupid claims in return. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:902561239] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BigSLM1993 posted...</cite> <quote>Jeez what is seriously up with people? Like I thought the plot was stupid, but I dont recall there ever being a point where Holdo's or Poe's gender was brought up as to why one was correct or not. Yet folks are projecting that the film was attacking mansplaining, etc. Im totally lost where folks see that point. </quote> After the movie people who liked it made a point about it. Talked about the movie just showed how Toxic Masculinity messes things up. And the producer said the Force is Female now.</quote> The producer doesn't make those decisions. And people making stupid claims doesn't excuse you making stupid claims in return.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 06/04/18 10:07:07 PM #83:	OctilIery posted... What missions were these exactly, and how does that show that he can't be a hothead? Mission to find the Map and to blow up Star Killer Base. These are too jobs that don't want hot head in. Moreover in the comic he shows his personality even more and he is't a hothead. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:902561288] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> What missions were these exactly, and how does that show that he can't be a hothead? </quote> Mission to find the Map and to blow up Star Killer Base. These are too jobs that don't want hot head in. Moreover in the comic he shows his personality even more and he is't a hothead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 06/04/18 10:09:14 PM #84:	cjsdowg posted... OctilIery posted... What missions were these exactly, and how does that show that he can't be a hothead? Mission to find the Map and to blow up Star Killer Base. These are too jobs that don't want hot head in. Moreover in the comic he shows his personality even more and he is't a hothead. We don't know the details of him getting the mission to find a map, and he wasn't the only person working to blow up starkiller base. In fact, he was the one that decided to be a hero and dive in after the breach was made, kind of like he decided to be the hero and take out a star destroyer. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:902561425] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> What missions were these exactly, and how does that show that he can't be a hothead? </quote> Mission to find the Map and to blow up Star Killer Base. These are too jobs that don't want hot head in. Moreover in the comic he shows his personality even more and he is't a hothead.</quote> We don't know the details of him getting the mission to find a map, and he wasn't the only person working to blow up starkiller base. In fact, he was the one that decided to be a hero and dive in after the breach was made, kind of like he decided to be the hero and take out a star destroyer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 06/04/18 10:11:16 PM #85:	OctilIery posted... We don't know the details of him getting the mission to find a map, and he wasn't the only person working to blow up starkiller base. In fact, he was the one that decided to be a hero and dive in after the breach was made, kind of like he decided to be the hero and take out a star destroyer. To be the hero , he didn't do it for personally glory. Beyond that each of those poorly designed crew followed him willingly. It was not like they could not turn back. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:902561537] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> We don't know the details of him getting the mission to find a map, and he wasn't the only person working to blow up starkiller base. In fact, he was the one that decided to be a hero and dive in after the breach was made, kind of like he decided to be the hero and take out a star destroyer.</quote> To be the hero , he didn't do it for personally glory. Beyond that each of those poorly designed crew followed him willingly. It was not like they could not turn back.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 06/04/18 10:12:15 PM #86:	cjsdowg posted... OctilIery posted... We don't know the details of him getting the mission to find a map, and he wasn't the only person working to blow up starkiller base. In fact, he was the one that decided to be a hero and dive in after the breach was made, kind of like he decided to be the hero and take out a star destroyer. To be the hero , he didn't do it for personally glory. Beyond that each of those poorly designed crew followed him willingly. It was not like they could not turn back. Yes, and the whole point is that trying to be the hero can make things worse. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:902561585] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> We don't know the details of him getting the mission to find a map, and he wasn't the only person working to blow up starkiller base. In fact, he was the one that decided to be a hero and dive in after the breach was made, kind of like he decided to be the hero and take out a star destroyer.</quote> To be the hero , he didn't do it for personally glory. Beyond that each of those poorly designed crew followed him willingly. It was not like they could not turn back.</quote> Yes, and the whole point is that trying to be the hero can make things worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 06/04/18 10:13:27 PM #87:	OctilIery posted... Yes, and the whole point is that trying to be the hero can make things worse. Well while the lose of life is horrible. They did better with the trade off. Since if they didn't do it, there people would have been blown up by it. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:902561643] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> Yes, and the whole point is that trying to be the hero can make things worse.</quote> Well while the lose of life is horrible. They did better with the trade off. Since if they didn't do it, there people would have been blown up by it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 06/04/18 10:14:38 PM #88:	cjsdowg posted... OctilIery posted... Yes, and the whole point is that trying to be the hero can make things worse. Well while the lose of life is horrible. They did better with the trade off. Since if they didn't do it, there people would have been blown up by it. Didn't say Starkiller is where it went wrong. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:902561693] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> Yes, and the whole point is that trying to be the hero can make things worse.</quote> Well while the lose of life is horrible. They did better with the trade off. Since if they didn't do it, there people would have been blown up by it.</quote> Didn't say Starkiller is where it went wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BigSLM1993 06/04/18 10:18:42 PM #89:	cjsdowg posted... BigSLM1993 posted... Jeez what is seriously up with people? Like I thought the plot was stupid, but I dont recall there ever being a point where Holdo's or Poe's gender was brought up as to why one was correct or not. Yet folks are projecting that the film was attacking mansplaining, etc. Im totally lost where folks see that point. After the movie people who liked it made a point about it. Talked about the movie just showed how Toxic Masculinity messes things up. And the producer said the Force is Female now. So it sounds like that's an issue with fans, not the movie. Foolish fans drawing an interpretation from a piece of media happens all the time, I dont see how that should be a critique on the movie, if that wasnt the goal. Like should we start attacking Catcher in the Rye as murder erotica because someone "read between the lines"? I dont think the producer's gender needs to matter, unless she, of course, said she was attacking toxic masculinity. I did, however, feel the plot was a waste in the movie since I hate contrived drama over easily fixable miscommunication. <cite>BigSLM1993 posted [p:902561891] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BigSLM1993 posted...</cite> <quote>Jeez what is seriously up with people? Like I thought the plot was stupid, but I dont recall there ever being a point where Holdo's or Poe's gender was brought up as to why one was correct or not. Yet folks are projecting that the film was attacking mansplaining, etc. Im totally lost where folks see that point. </quote> After the movie people who liked it made a point about it. Talked about the movie just showed how Toxic Masculinity messes things up. And the producer said the Force is Female now.</quote> So it sounds like that's an issue with fans, not the movie. Foolish fans drawing an interpretation from a piece of media happens all the time, I dont see how that should be a critique on the movie, if that wasnt the goal. Like should we start attacking Catcher in the Rye as murder erotica because someone "read between the lines"? I dont think the producer's gender needs to matter, unless she, of course, said she was attacking toxic masculinity. I did, however, feel the plot was a waste in the movie since I hate contrived drama over easily fixable miscommunication.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 06/04/18 10:19:12 PM #90:	OctilIery posted... cjsdowg posted... OctilIery posted... Yes, and the whole point is that trying to be the hero can make things worse. Well while the lose of life is horrible. They did better with the trade off. Since if they didn't do it, there people would have been blown up by it. Didn't say Starkiller is where it went wrong. The whole "being a hero is bad" completely falls apart when you realize the fleet is alive because the Dreadnought was destroyed. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:902561921] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> Yes, and the whole point is that trying to be the hero can make things worse.</quote> Well while the lose of life is horrible. They did better with the trade off. Since if they didn't do it, there people would have been blown up by it.</quote> Didn't say Starkiller is where it went wrong.</quote> The whole "being a hero is bad" completely falls apart when you realize the fleet is alive because the Dreadnought was destroyed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 06/04/18 10:20:02 PM #91:	dave_is_slick posted... OctilIery posted... cjsdowg posted... OctilIery posted... Yes, and the whole point is that trying to be the hero can make things worse. Well while the lose of life is horrible. They did better with the trade off. Since if they didn't do it, there people would have been blown up by it. Didn't say Starkiller is where it went wrong. The whole "being a hero is bad" completely falls apart when you realize the fleet is alive because the Dreadnought was destroyed. Except no, nothing really supports that. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:902561969] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> Yes, and the whole point is that trying to be the hero can make things worse.</quote> Well while the lose of life is horrible. They did better with the trade off. Since if they didn't do it, there people would have been blown up by it.</quote> Didn't say Starkiller is where it went wrong.</quote> The whole "being a hero is bad" completely falls apart when you realize the fleet is alive because the Dreadnought was destroyed.</quote> Except no, nothing really supports that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mehmeh1 06/04/18 10:21:12 PM #92:	the morale is probably that holdo is a terrible leader and poe is too reckless, or in other wordsThe23rdMagus posted... Recklessness can get people killed, even when you think you're being a hero. and lack of communication kills (she could've at least said something like "don't worry, we know what to do") --- FC: 3840-6927-7945, have OR/Y/SM4SH/PSMD/S/US I'm a youtuber, here is my link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj1lj8EWzRtw3jp3HUXCxQ? .I play games <cite>mehmeh1 posted [p:902562030] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote>the morale is probably that holdo is a terrible leader and poe is too reckless, or in other words<cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>Recklessness can get people killed, even when you think you're being a hero.</quote> and lack of communication kills (she could've at least said something like "don't worry, we know what to do")</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zack_Attackv1 06/04/18 10:22:07 PM #93:	Rian Johnson is an asshole. --- https://imgur.com/gLWNWy4 https://imgur.com/kWwawi7 <cite>Zack_Attackv1 posted [p:902562081] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote>Rian Johnson is an asshole.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 06/04/18 10:22:27 PM #94:	BigSLM1993 posted... since I hate contrived drama over easily fixable miscommunication. God, especially when (and I'm not talking Star Wars specifically) they withhold a secret that the other person would objectively be better off knowing but they stupidly think not telling them is "protecting" them. Then we get the pointless bit where they eventually forgive them for keeping such a massive secret, even though they should realistically hate them with a passion. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:902562097] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>BigSLM1993 posted...</cite> <quote>since I hate contrived drama over easily fixable miscommunication. </quote> God, especially when (and I'm not talking Star Wars specifically) they withhold a secret that the other person would objectively be better off knowing but they stupidly think not telling them is "protecting" them. Then we get the pointless bit where they eventually forgive them for keeping such a massive secret, even though they should realistically hate them with a passion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 06/04/18 10:23:21 PM #95:	OctilIery posted... Except no, nothing really supports that. Keep lying to yourself. Poe is not stupid. He wouldn't attack it if it wouldn't wipe what little they had left out. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:902562157] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Except no, nothing really supports that.</quote> Keep lying to yourself. Poe is not stupid. He wouldn't attack it if it wouldn't wipe what little they had left out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 06/04/18 10:26:03 PM #96:	dave_is_slick posted... OctilIery posted... Except no, nothing really supports that. Keep lying to yourself. Poe is not stupid. He wouldn't attack it if it wouldn't wipe what little they had left out. And yet he did. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:902562291] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Except no, nothing really supports that.</quote> Keep lying to yourself. Poe is not stupid. He wouldn't attack it if it wouldn't wipe what little they had left out.</quote> And yet he did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 06/04/18 10:27:02 PM #97:	dave_is_slick posted... BigSLM1993 posted... since I hate contrived drama over easily fixable miscommunication. God, especially when (and I'm not talking Star Wars specifically) they withhold a secret that the other person would objectively be better off knowing but they stupidly think not telling them is "protecting" them. Then we get the pointless bit where they eventually forgive them for keeping such a massive secret, even though they should realistically hate them with a passion. We've already covered that not letting Poe know was a smart decision, keep up. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:902562348] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BigSLM1993 posted...</cite> <quote>since I hate contrived drama over easily fixable miscommunication. </quote> God, especially when (and I'm not talking Star Wars specifically) they withhold a secret that the other person would objectively be better off knowing but they stupidly think not telling them is "protecting" them. Then we get the pointless bit where they eventually forgive them for keeping such a massive secret, even though they should realistically hate them with a passion.</quote> We've already covered that not letting Poe know was a smart decision, keep up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AvantgardeAClue 06/04/18 10:28:11 PM #98:	Doom_Art posted... The23rdMagus posted... Recklessness can get people killed, even when you think you're being a hero. It baffles me that people didn't get this The movie wasn't subtle about it Except Holdo got loads of transport ships destroyed by not destroying the Star Destroyer until the very last minute What a waste --- Sometimes I say things and I'm not voice acting. <cite>AvantgardeAClue posted [p:902562411] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The23rdMagus posted...</cite> <quote>Recklessness can get people killed, even when you think you're being a hero.</quote> It baffles me that people didn't get this The movie wasn't subtle about it</quote> Except Holdo got loads of transport ships destroyed by not destroying the Star Destroyer until the very last minute What a waste</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 06/04/18 10:28:38 PM #99:	OctilIery posted... We've already covered that not letting Poe know was a smart decision, keep up. But it wasn't. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:902562438] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote> We've already covered that not letting Poe know was a smart decision, keep up.</quote> But it wasn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 06/04/18 10:29:01 PM #100:	OctilIery posted... dave_is_slick posted... OctilIery posted... Except no, nothing really supports that. Keep lying to yourself. Poe is not stupid. He wouldn't attack it if it wouldn't wipe what little they had left out. And yet he did. Alright, you're doing your stubborn bullshit. OctilIery posted... We've already covered that not letting Poe know was a smart decision, keep up. dave_is_slick posted... God, especially when (and I'm not talking Star Wars specifically) they withhold a secret that the other person would objectively be better off knowing but they stupidly think not telling them is "protecting" them. Then we get the pointless bit where they eventually forgive them for keeping such a massive secret, even though they should realistically hate them with a passion. And you also can't read! Sit down and let the grown-ups talk. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:902562459] in What was s... [t:76667034]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>Except no, nothing really supports that.</quote> Keep lying to yourself. Poe is not stupid. He wouldn't attack it if it wouldn't wipe what little they had left out.</quote> And yet he did.</quote> Alright, you're doing your stubborn bullshit. <cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote>We've already covered that not letting Poe know was a smart decision, keep up. </quote> <cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>God, especially when (and I'm not talking Star Wars specifically) they withhold a secret that the other person would objectively be better off knowing but they stupidly think not telling them is "protecting" them. Then we get the pointless bit where they eventually forgive them for keeping such a massive secret, even though they should realistically hate them with a passion.</quote> And you also can't read! Sit down and let the grown-ups talk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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