Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 6: The Perceiving (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

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it's too bad we never get to meet Candice Arme

she seems really hardcore
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the discussion with Fulbright about him not knowing why Blackquill is being allowed to prosecute despite being a convict is interesting when you realize Phoenix does know
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5-4 Investigation Day 1 complete

I want to call it day 2 since it's connected to trial day 2 but yeah
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LeonhartFour posted...

5-4 Investigation Day 1 complete

I want to call it day 2 since it's connected to trial day 2 but yeah

5-4 is kind of a weird case.
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DD in general has some weird structure for its cases. It has the only multi-day trial-only case, as well as the only single-day epic case. Plus, it has a case take place in the middle of another one. 5-4 is also the only full-length case that has a trial day first.
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6-5 is essentially two epic one-dayccades, to be fair. isn't day 2 of 6-5 longer than 5-5?
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I mean literally every case in SoJ except 6-6 is either a single-day case or is technically two closely related single-day cases
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Huh...that's true. Maybe to avoid feeling stuck in one setting for too long since we focus on two of them?

Also yes, Candice is one of the more intriguing victims not related to one of the main characters.
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Candice Arme also has one of the best names in the series

The pun is right in that sweet spot of being clever but not too silly sounding

Yeah, it took me a while to even get the pun in her name.
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Blackquill: Everyone already knows how brilliant you are. Even I am trying to hold back my tears at seeing such a great man standing before me.

he's so good
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is Yuri Cosmos the best witness in DD?

he's gotta be up near the top if nothing else
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oh hey there was a panel about season 2 of the Ace Attorney anime today

Apparently, they're going to squeeze 2-1 in at the beginning, presumably to introduce Maggey for 3-3. Kinda weird, but whatever. Takumi also confirmed there will be anime-exclusive content this time around, too. He said there will be a story set on a train.

There was also a trailer shown but it hasn't been publicly released yet.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhdBw0fUEAA-Q4D.jpg

The animation quality seems better than season 1's, too, at least based on the few images we've seen so far.
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I like how Cosmos just keeps telling obvious lies and the game tries to paint him into a corner as the culprit, only for them to subvert it at the end by revealing that he had a reason for lying other than being the killer.
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man 5-4 has some of the greatest random references in the series

Sailor Moon, Katamari Damacy, and even a friggin' Kurt Angle reference
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I also love the subversion 5-4 plays by making Fulbright look like the big hero when he's really playing everyone for suckers
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Cosmos is pretty great. I dunno that I'd call him a total subversion; AA has had plenty of characters whom the game tries to paint as maybe the killer only to reveal a different reason for their lies (Adrian Andrews being one of the earlier clearcut cases of such). But his lies are still fun to untangle and the guy is just legit hilarious.
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Well, Adrian Andrews is a subversion for a different reason.

But 5-4 plays with your expectations in a lot of interesting ways. You get a Not Guilty without ever finding the killer, only for them to drop the bomb of "Upon thorough analysis, the fingerprints were found to belong to Athena Cykes," which was the only legit WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT moment in DD for me.

speaking of which 5-4 is complete so numbers forthcoming soonish
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Total lines by character:

1. Phoenix Wright - 18769
2. Miles Edgeworth - 14764
3. Apollo Justice - 6443
4. The Judge - 6110
5. Maya Fey - 4441
6. Dick Gumshoe - 4089
7. Kay Faraday - 3370
8. Athena Cykes - 3071
9. Franziska von Karma - 2314
10. Trucy Wright - 2203
11. Ema Skye - 1897
12. Mia Fey - 1418
13. Klavier Gavin - 1153
14. Pearl Fey - 1143
15. Shi-Long Lang - 1101
16. Justine Courtney - 1016
17. Larry Butz - 1008
18. Raymond Shields - 971
19. Godot - 902
20. Simon Blackquill - 877
21. Gregory Edgeworth - 649
22. Lotta Hart - 648
23. Tyrell Badd - 593
24. Dahlia Hawthorne - 578
25. Wendy Oldbag - 553
26. Sebastian Debeste - 521
27. Calisto Yew/Shih-na - 489
28. Adrian Andrews - 459
29. Winston Payne - 453
30. Manfred von Karma - 444
31. Bobby Fulbright - 433
32. The Judge's Brother - 421
33. Shelly de Killer - 387
34. Lamiroir/Thalassa Gramarye - 382
35. Will Powers - 380
36. Simon Keyes - 380
37. Bikini - 351
38. Maggey Byrde - 323
39. Lawrence "Moe" Curls - 320
40. Kristoph Gavin - 319
41. Quercus Alba - 303
42. Valant Gramarye - 298
43. Luke Atmey - 292
44. Damon Gant - 285
45. Ini Miney - 275
46. Angel Starr - 272
47. Ron DeLite - 271
48. Rhoda Teneiro - 268
49. Katherine Hall - 267
50. Blaise Debeste - 265
51. Regina Berry - 261
52. Jake Marshall - 257
53. Juniper Woods - 255
54. Jean Armstrong - 251
55. Nicole Swift - 250
56. Lana Skye - 249
57. Victor Kudo - 247
58. Mike Meekins - 235
59. Marvin Grossberg - 234
60. Jacques Portsman - 231
61. Spark Brushel - 230
62. Frank Sahwit - 219
63. Alita Tiala - 219
64. Hugh O'Conner - 217
65. Marlon Rimes - 217
66. Patricia Roland - 217
67. Daryan Crescend - 216
68. Dane Gustavia - 209
69. Horace Knightley - 209
70. Florent L'Belle - 208
71. Maximillion Galactica - 203
72. Ben & Trilo Quist - 200
73. Sasha Buckler - 198
74. Penny Nichols - 194
75. Phineas Filch - 190
76. Jinxie Tenma - 189
77. Ken "Acro" Dingling - 182
78. Iris - 181
79. Herman Crab - 180
80. Damian Tenma - 176
81. Furio Tigre - 176
82. Zak Gramarye - 174
83. Matt Engarde - 171
84. Sirhan Dogen - 170
85. Cammy Meele - 168
86. Morgan Fey - 165
87. Redd White - 162
88. Yuri Cosmos - 156
89. Aristotle Means - 154
90. John Marsh - 153
91. Robin Newman - 151
92. Delicia Scones - 151
93. Colias Palaeno - 150
94. Gaspen Payne - 149
95. Dee Vasquez - 148
96. Zinc Lablanc - 146
97. Desiree DeLite - 142
98. Trilo Quist - 140
99. Wesley Stickler - 138
100. Cody Hackins - 135
101. Norma DePlume - 134
102. Ted Tonate - 132
103. Olga Orly - 131
104. Lauren Paups - 130
105. Solomon Starbuck - 129
106. Karin Jenson - 129
107. Myriam Scuttlebutt - 122
108. Guy Eldoon - 118
109. Wocky Kitaki - 112
110. Di-Jun Huang - 110
111. Richard Wellington - 107
112. April May - 104
113. Vera Misham - 104
114. Jay Elbird - 102
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115. Yanni Yogi - 98
116. Lance Amano - 92
117. Jeff Master - 90
118. Viola Cadaverini - 80
119. Director Hotti/Doctor Hickfield - 76
120. Plum Kitaki - 76
121. Terry Fawles - 74
122. Drew Misham - 74
123. The Bellboy - 72
124. Ernest Amano - 68
125. Benjamin Woodman - 60
126. Sal Manella - 59
127. Chief of Detectives - 55
128. Bonnie Young - 53
129. Lisa Basil - 46
130. Machi Tobaye - 41
131. Orla Shipley - 40
132. Turner Grey - 39
133. Aura Blackquill - 38
134. Ponco - 35
135. Elise Deauxnim - 30
136. Widget - 27
137. Missile - 20
138. Polly - 20
139. Winfred "Big Wins" Kitaki - 20
140. The Amazing Mr. Hat - 19
141. Clonco - 13
142. Romein LeTouse - 13
143. Taka - 10

Overall total lines - 102250

Total lines by segment:

5-4 Investigation Day 1 - 872
5-4 Trial Day 2 - 617
5-4 Trial Day 1 - 529

Total lines by case:

2-4 - 5946
1-5 - 5913
3-5 - 5815
E1-5 - 4831
E2-5 - 4777
4-3 - 4494
3-2 - 4151
3-3 - 4063
E2-3 - 3959
4-4 - 3952
E2-2 - 3936
2-3 - 3884
5-2 - 3750
5-6 - 3616
4-2 - 3468
1-4 - 3466
5-3 - 3202
2-2 - 3119
E1-4 - 2935
E2-4 - 2868
1-3 - 2741
E1-3 - 2412
5-4 - 2018
E1-2 - 1995
E2-1 - 1923
1-2 - 1773
4-1 - 1421
3-4 - 1225
3-1 - 1167
5-1 - 1102
E1-1 - 1039
2-1 - 899
4-0 - 679
1-1 - 389

Totals lines by game:

AAI2 - 17463
T&T - 16422
PW1 - 14282
JFA - 13848
DD - 13688
AJ - 13335
AAI1 - 13212

Total lines by character per case:

The Cosmic Turnabout (5-4)

1. Phoenix Wright - 588 (29.14%)
2. Athena Cykes - 346 (17.15%)
3. Apollo Justice - 217 (10.75%)
4. Simon Blackquill - 179 (8.87%)
5. Yuri Cosmos - 156 (7.73%)
6. The Judge - 154 (7.63%)
7. Solomon Starbuck - 129 (6.39%)
8. Bobby Fulbright - 114 (5.65%)
9. Aura Blackquill - 38
10. Ponco - 35
11. Trucy Wright - 22
12. Clonco - 13
13. Other - 11
14. Juniper Woods - 9
15. Clay Terran - 5
16. Ted Tonate - 2

Total lines by character per game:

Dual Destinies

1. Athena Cykes - 3071
2. Phoenix Wright - 2406
3. Apollo Justice - 2282
4. The Judge - 1029
5. Simon Blackquill - 877
6. Bobby Fulbright - 433
7. Juniper Woods - 255
8. Hugh O'Conner - 217
9. Marlon Rimes - 217
10. Florent L'Belle - 208
11. Sasha Buckler - 198
12. Phineas Filch - 190
13. Jinxie Tenma - 189
14. Herman Crab - 180
15. Damian Tenma - 176
16. Trucy Wright - 173
17. Yuri Cosmos - 156
18. Aristotle Means - 154
19. Robin Newman - 151
20. Gaspen Payne - 149
21. Norma DePlume - 134
22. Ted Tonate - 132
23. Solomon Starbuck - 129
24. Myriam Scuttlebutt - 122
25. Pearl Fey - 108
26. Klavier Gavin - 92
27. Other - 69
28. Orla Shipley - 40
29. Aura Blackquill - 38
30. Ponco - 35
31. Widget - 27
32. Clonco - 13
33. Rifle - 11
34. Taka - 10
35. Sniper - 9
36. Clay Terran - 5
37. Jack Shipley - 2
38. Ora Shipley - 1
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I think Athena's going to edge out Phoenix for first place overall in DD, but I think he'll make it a tight race. He's 600 lines behind, and that's about how many he got in 5-4. He'll have more lines in 5-5 and Athena won't have nearly as many.
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Paratroopa1 posted...

Candice Arme also has one of the best names in the series

The pun is right in that sweet spot of being clever but not too silly sounding

Right, the one thing that disappointed me about SoJ is how terribad most of the Khu'rain names are. >_>
Datz A'rebal cracks me up though, so it's not all bad.
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Raka_Putra posted...

Right, the one thing that disappointed me about SoJ is how terribad most of the Khu'rain names are. >_>

what's so funny about Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin
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The Khu'rain names are so A'rebal that they are kind of charming to me. I couldn't stop groan laughing when I heard Rheel Neh'mu.
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Rheel Nehmu is the best

Puhray Zeh'lot is probably the best name in the game because it's a double pun, each one dealing with the aspects of his double life
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LeonhartFour posted...

Raka_Putra posted...

Right, the one thing that disappointed me about SoJ is how terribad most of the Khu'rain names are. >_>

what's so funny about Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin

"Peace, love, and understanding"
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*blank stare*
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*sics Taka on you*
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I'm surprised by how few lines Yuri Cosmos had

Well, he's mainly only around for Trial Day 2, and it's a fairly short trial day by DD standards.
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Yeah I guess it's not really that few but he's just such a strong focus

~8% isn't atypical for the most important case-specific character. 5-4 just isn't that long.
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I like how Phoenix lampshades the fact that Yuri shouldn't still be able to spin around after Trucy's knife throw flattened one of his tires, but he's content to walk away and let him spin perpetually anyway.
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the funny thing about Tonate confessing that there was another person in the room when he killed Detective Arme (why would you kill someone with a witness right there and why would you let him get away) is that the other person in the room is listening to him say all of this

I wonder who Fulbright was disguised as then
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man Apollo trying to flatter Aura comes off as really unnatural for him
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LeonhartFour posted...

the funny thing about Tonate confessing that there was another person in the room when he killed Detective Arme (why would you kill someone with a witness right there and why would you let him get away)

lol 5-1 man
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I mean I guess once Fulbright had the remote switch there was really nothing Tonate could do to stop him

but still did you just not notice he was there the whole time
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Trucy: *sigh* I'm really worried about him. He's not himself at all. He's usually not all cool and dark and mysterious like that!
Phoenix: I guess that's true... (Does she mean he's usually silly and dorky?)

seriously we need a Phoenix/Trucy case in AA7
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I think I'm going to give Maya credit for the letter in DD since it doesn't explicitly put Phoenix's name above it reading it aloud.
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LeonhartFour posted...

the funny thing about Tonate confessing that there was another person in the room when he killed Detective Arme (why would you kill someone with a witness right there and why would you let him get away) is that the other person in the room is listening to him say all of this

I wonder who Fulbright was disguised as then

To be fair, considering Tonate noticed what he was stealing, it wasn't going to be the worst outcome to let him go. It gave Ted a chance to cover everything up, and possibly get the credit for being a hero in the situation. He'd have gotten away with it except that the bloody writing wasn't blown up because the bomb case was covering it up.
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LeonhartFour posted...

I think I'm going to give Maya credit for the letter in DD since it doesn't explicitly put Phoenix's name above it reading it aloud.

Speaking of which, there's one line in 5-5 that's glitched and isn't attributed to anyone, but I believe it's clear who's supposed to be speaking.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Trucy: *sigh* I'm really worried about him. He's not himself at all. He's usually not all cool and dark and mysterious like that!
Phoenix: I guess that's true... (Does she mean he's usually silly and dorky?)

seriously we need a Phoenix/Trucy case in AA7

Yeah, the fact that this is the only Phoenix/Trucy investigation in the entire series so far seems like a HUGE missed opportunity. and it's pretty short! it's completely inexcusable how infrequently these two are together

DD is weird about sometimes having characters use nicknames that they don't normally use. Edgeworth just called Pearl "Pearls," and Apollo calls Juniper "Junie" a couple times during 5-3.
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I don't remember the exact instance in which he uses the nickname, but in a vacuum, Edgeworth calling her Pearls makes sense to me. He's barely interacted with her directly and probably mostly knows about her via Phoenix talking about her (DD suggests the two are indeed friends non-professionally in the years between T&T and DD), so if Phoenix calls her Pearls in those situations (which we don't actually see), there you go.
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Nah, he calls her "Pearl" on multiple other occasions during that sequence.

Normally, I'd chalk it up to Edgeworth just being bad with names (as he is wont to be), but it's just one weird outlier here.
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5-5 Investigation Day 1 complete

I'm glad they brought the black Psyche-Locks back and explained the reason for their existence. It's also a great cliffhanger to end the day.
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LeonhartFour posted...

5-5 Investigation Day 1 complete

I'm glad they brought the black Psyche-Locks back and explained the reason for their existence. It's also a great cliffhanger to end the day.

too bad they're not consistent with the black psyche-locks in 4-4 at all

4-4 didn't bother giving any reason for them to exist so they could be flexible with it. 4-4 just put them in there to be mysterious. Regardless, I think you can make the explanation work even with Kristoph's, too, since the idea is that it's so deeply ingrained in their subconscious that it's essentially a part of who that person is. You couldn't extract the secret without doing psychological damage if you're not careful about it.

and when they exposed Kristoph's secrets in 4-4 the dude certainly went psycho
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LeonhartFour posted...

4-4 didn't bother giving any reason for them to exist so they could be flexible with it. 4-4 just put them in there to be mysterious. Regardless, I think you can make the explanation work even with Kristoph's, too, since the idea is that it's so deeply ingrained in their subconscious that it's essentially a part of who that person is. You couldn't extract the secret without doing psychological damage if you're not careful about it.

and when they exposed Kristoph's secrets in 4-4 the dude certainly went psycho

I dunno seems like pretty post-hoc justification. I'm pretty sure kristoph just had block psyche-locks because he's so EVIL and because they didn't want you to do a psyche-lock investigation there