Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 178: Last Topic Wasn't Fair to Flair [POLITICS]

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Also its very interesting that he has his (alleged) obstruction of justice on his mind this morning
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Corrik posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Trump is pardoning Dinish D'Souza, who (in addition to being a total hack of a political commentator who regularly defends Trump) was convicted of illegally evading campaign contribution limits:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1002177521599860736

Wonder what signal that's gonna send...!

Gee, almost like he doesn't think that rules should apply to people he likes

Every pardon is a blatant disregard for the law.

But he specifically campaigned on being the Law & Order nominee
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https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1002194972265893889?s=21

BREAKING: Mexico answers US tariffs with its own tariffs on products including pork bellies, grapes, apples and flat steel.

Trade warrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1002181080349380608

hey fuck this guy too while we're at it

what a shithead
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Hes a powerful voice for freedom!

*Has to reorganize book piles at Costco to promote his work*
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Maybe if Obama tweeted that he loved the pardon, Trump would reconsider

In fact, maybe Obama should just start publicly taking crappy positions Trump might be inclined to like.
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While I certainly think you could make a case against pardons generally, I think there's a pretty clear difference between pardoning someone for mercy etc vs pardoning someone for personal advantage (as Trump did for D'Souza/Arpaio/Libby)
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1002194972265893889?s=21

BREAKING: Mexico answers US tariffs with its own tariffs on products including pork bellies, grapes, apples and flat steel.

Trade warrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Fuck the pork bellies thing is gonna hurt my state good.
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I wonder if there's any way to legally challenge these tariffs given how clearly ridiculous the "national security" justification is here
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I think a legal challenge would go well - Congress was given the Power of the Purse for a reason.

This reason. This exact reason.

One man should not be able to make financial decisions that effect everyone. He should need Congressional Approval and as the great Thomas Jefferson once said "You dont have the votes, you dont have the votes"
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This is going to hurt the domestic auto industry a LOT. Theres steel made in Germany that just isnt made here. Glad to see the administrations support for manufacturing...!
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The trade penalties, 25% on imported steel and 10% on imported aluminum, take effect at midnight, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross told reporters Thursday.

I wonder if theres gonna be a big rush to buy in bulk today
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We have fox on at work and its interesting to watch these women trying to SHAME Samantha Bee for being mean to Ivanka while still defending Roseanne.

Just let this one go idiots.
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I dont condone the language Bee used, but its clearly not at all similar
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I mean I have been listening to enough OSW review with their "c*** hogan" that it doesnt even phase me.
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Eddv posted...

I think a legal challenge would go well - Congress was given the Power of the Purse for a reason.

This reason. This exact reason.

One man should not be able to make financial decisions that effect everyone. He should need Congressional Approval and as the great Thomas Jefferson once said "You dont have the votes, you dont have the votes"

implying this congress would stand up to trump over anything

implying the supreme court would stand up to trump when the challenge inevitably gets to them
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Eddv posted...

I think a legal challenge would go well - Congress was given the Power of the Purse for a reason.

This reason. This exact reason.

One man should not be able to make financial decisions that effect everyone. He should need Congressional Approval and as the great Thomas Jefferson once said "You dont have the votes, you dont have the votes"

implying this congress would stand up to trump over anything

implying the supreme court would stand up to trump when the challenge inevitably gets to them

This Congress has maintained the filibuster, rendering them incapable of passing bills more than once a year without Democratic support. And yeah, I was confused as to how Trump could just order tariffs by fiat. Figured there was some enabling legislation Congress previously passed. Guess not.

Although, in this case I don't mind (other than for setting bad constitutional precedent). Trump can't really negotiate with other countries if Congress isn't going to back him up.
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red sox 777 posted...

Trump can't really negotiate with other countries if Congress isn't going to back him up.

good, he shouldn't
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https://twitter.com/markknoller/status/1002216107657359361

Blagojevich, you may recall, was convicted for selling Barack Obama's vacant Senate seat (among other corruption charges).
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The Stewart one is probably meant as a big F U to Comey (who was the US Attorney in New York when that happened).

Her main crime by the way? Lying to the FBI.
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This must be why the North Korea summit is delayed. Trump has to train!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeijuhPX0AAMr4R?format=jpg&name=medium
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https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1002228674043826177

Trump on DSouza pardon:

"Nobody asked me to do it... I read the papers I see him on television. https://t.co/H64ws8m9Hn

I thought he said he was too busy to watch tv? And we all know he doesn't read his briefings, why would he bother reading the papers?
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Person X - I dont even have words for this one, other than to reiterate what a sad state of affairs it is when the trashiest reality TV star of all-time has our presidents ear about issues she has zero firsthand knowledge about

Person X is a pretentious d-bag. The presidents have had meetings with all sorts of people - not just senators and foreign heads of state, but celebrities, local interest stories, etc etc. There is no reason to not meet with Kim K., particularly as she's always struck me as someone who is much more intelligent than people give her credit for. She at least understood the social media age better and more quickly than almost anyone, and it pushed her to the empire she's built today. She probably has better business sense than Trump in the modern environment, honestly.

I say this without any irony, btw. I don't get why anyone would possibly care that one person was meeting with the president (or his family) about one issue for one day. This is a better use of his time than half of the stuff Trump does, and I agree with most of her point anyway. So if she has his ear, uh, good.

Person Y (not related much) - In all fairness, a bunch of screaming teenagers had his ear about gun reform not long ago

Person Y is an unequivocal moron, and just a hateful smoldering garbage fire. Nice that he's referring to the Parkland survivors as "screaming teenagers". I'm sure this guy is an expert on literally everything he's ever talked about.

Person Z - I think any celebrity going on about any policy that has zero to do with their lifestyle is silly and self-serving. I can't take a Hollywood idiot seriously, talking about how awful guns are while they are protected by huge fenced in communities and armed guards, either, but I'm supposed to accept that they have a voice on the matter and shut my own mouth.

I mean this is an incredibly lazy and intellectually dishonest argument. You can easily flip that around to "I can't take republican politicians seriously, talking about how great guns are while they make the RNC and all of their big events gun free zones".

I agree with his overall, poorly worded and inarticulately phrased sentiment, however, that everyone has a voice in the political process. Ideally, you'd listen to people with expertise first and foremost. People with experience in this prison system in regards to prisons, scientists in regards to science issues, etc. Like I'm totally fine with Kim Kardashian talking to the president about prison reform. The issue would come in is if this is the only person he talked to, and agreed with her over the opinions of people that have worked in prison, psychologists that have studied inmate rehabilitation, etc etc etc.

Person Z - Again, experience doesn't mean anything. Are only gay celebrities allowed to speak out about gay issues? Are only women who had abortions allowed to speak about abortion issues? Are only female celebrities allowed to discuss female issues?

Experience matters a ton, so I don't know what he's on about. Who is more versed to speak on climate change - a scientist who has studied this for twenty years of his life, or an electrician who read one article about it from a conservative blog? You wouldn't ask the scientists opinion over the electrician if your power went out, so why are we pretending these two opinions hold equal weight?

Again, this isn't to say that Kim Kardashian shouldn't be talking to the president like the first person said, but rather that while it is a good start, I hope he also has talked to actual experts in the field who have experience as well.

So I guess I sort of agree with your final point, overall. Experience matters, but it shouldn't preclude others from speaking up as well.
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Also you may need better friends, because I kind of hate persons X, Y, and Z.

Person X thinks having a sex tape forever precludes you from having opinions. Person Y thinks the Parkland survivors are "screaming teenagers". Person Z seems like an ok guy overall and at least doesn't seem like a jerk, but his arguments are lazy rehashes of conservative talking points and I definitely disagree with his "hey experience doesn't matter all opinions are like equal man" conclusion.
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https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1002175839721672704?s=21

"We are going to Dallas, we are going to Houston. We are going to have a little fun today. Thank you very much," President Trump says as he head to Texas to meet with the families of Santa Fe school shooting victims cbsn.ws/2slP1WR

Does he...think thats what hes supposed to say?
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That's sweet for Trump to consider Martha and Rod. I hope he goes through with those plans.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Also you may need better friends, because I kind of hate persons X, Y, and Z.

Person X thinks having a sex tape forever precludes you from having opinions. Person Y thinks the Parkland survivors are "screaming teenagers". Person Z seems like an ok guy overall and at least doesn't seem like a jerk, but his arguments are lazy rehashes of conservative talking points and I definitely disagree with his "hey experience doesn't matter all opinions are like equal man" conclusion.

Y and Z are X's friends. Not mine. X is a prosecutor at the county level.
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It was Rod's choice as elected governor to do whatever he wanted with that Senate seat even if he did make those "golden" "parachute" comments. The corruption charges were baloney.
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Dinesh got a pardon?

The Young Turks will be fun to watch today.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/cbsnews/status/1002175839721672704?s=21

"We are going to Dallas, we are going to Houston. We are going to have a little fun today. Thank you very much," President Trump says as he head to Texas to meet with the families of Santa Fe school shooting victims cbsn.ws/2slP1WR

Does he...think thats what hes supposed to say?

What is wrong with him
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conservatives suddenly care about vulgar language again
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What fucking wimps
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Why do you guys dislike Bill Maher so much? I used to like his show whenever I watched it.
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Corrik posted...

Why do you guys dislike Bill Maher so much?

he acts like a douchebag whenever he talks about islam.
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Canada's response to the US tariffs

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-steel-deadline-1.4685242

Canada is countering the United States' move to slap punishing tariffs on steel and aluminum imports by imposing dollar-for-dollar tariffs of its own on everything from steel products to maple syrup.

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said Canada is hitting back with duties of up to $16.6 billion on some steel and aluminum products and other goods from the U.S. including beer kegs, whisky, toilet paper and "hair lacquers."
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Corrik posted...

Why do you guys dislike Bill Maher so much?

he acts like a douchebag

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Point of his show is to be say it without caring about political correctness.
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spoilers: you can not care about political correctness while still not acting like a douchebag
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I dont know why people justify being an asshole as a virtue because someone isnt politically correct.
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Here's a more detailed list of what tariffs Canada is proposing against the United States

https://www.fin.gc.ca/activty/consult/cacsap-cmpcaa-eng.asp
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trdl23 posted...

I dont know why people justify being an asshole as a virtue because someone isnt politically correct.

Said another way, people need to realize that being an asshole is not a substitute for a personality.
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Mahars biggest issue by far is his Islsmophobia. He might as well be Ben Shapiro when it comes to discriminating against Muslims.
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trdl23 posted...

I dont know why people justify being an asshole as a virtue because someone isnt politically correct.

this mindset is basically the alt-right in a nutshell and a big reason why trump is president.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/31/trump-reportedly-said-he-wants-to-stop-german-luxury-car-imports-in-the-us.html

That's our freemarket small government President.
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boy running the government like a business sure has worked out swell for us so far
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Trump never said he was going to do small government. He proposed a ton of big government things, like lots of infrastructure, a big wall, and increased military funding.
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Well I support lots of infrastructure! Hows that going?

I hear Puerto Rico might need some!
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red sox 777 posted...

Trump never said he was going to do small government. He proposed a ton of big government things, like lots of infrastructure, a big wall, and increased military funding.

He might not have ever said those EXACT words, but his advocates have, and he's stocked every Department and Agency with small government Republicans, and has said many times he wants the government less involved in business.

Except when he doesn't.
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red sox 777 posted...

Trump never said he was going to do small government.

he talked a lot about lowering taxes, which kind of invokes the idea of making the government smaller (i guess it depends on what the president plans to do with the tax money, though).
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"I want to cut taxes and regulations to zero, but also intervene in international trade for inexplicable reasons."
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