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StealThisSheen
05/30/18 9:00:29 PM
#102:


...There was absolutely backlash against Shia and Mel Gibson. What.
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scarletspeed7
05/30/18 9:03:26 PM
#103:


HaveUSeenALion posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
It's okay, I will.

Find a new board

I love this alt.
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Bane_Of_Despair
05/30/18 9:08:34 PM
#104:


maybe i'm a lion
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CelesMyUserName
05/30/18 9:10:12 PM
#105:


StealThisSheen posted...
...There was absolutely backlash against Shia and Mel Gibson. What.

he knows they did, he's being ulti
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scarletspeed7
05/30/18 9:19:28 PM
#106:


Bane_Of_Despair posted...
maybe i'm a lion

I've never seen a Bane.
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charmander6000
05/30/18 9:29:27 PM
#107:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Bane_Of_Despair posted...
maybe i'm a lion

I've never seen a Bane.


That's because they live in the dark until they reach adulthood.
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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 11:40:35 PM
#108:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Just for that I will continue posting here.

as opposed to the alternative, which was you continue posting?
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Blackscar
05/30/18 11:43:54 PM
#109:


Matt Drudge: 'New Low' for Ambien Maker to Mock Roseanne 'While They Drug a Generation'

https://twitter.com/DRUDGE/status/1001859019814748161
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TheRock1525
05/30/18 11:45:20 PM
#110:


My dad uses ambien.
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neonreaper
05/31/18 8:32:19 PM
#111:


I love ambien
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Nelson_Mandela
05/31/18 8:35:10 PM
#112:


Blackscar posted...
Matt Drudge: 'New Low' for Ambien Maker to Mock Roseanne 'While They Drug a Generation'

https://twitter.com/DRUDGE/status/1001859019814748161

It's true, considering Ambien literally does cause aggressive behavior (eg, racist outbursts).

I hope sanofi gets fucking sued by the fda for that tweet
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Leafeon13N
05/31/18 8:42:20 PM
#113:


Even if it did cause aggressive outbursts those aren't going to be racist unless you are actually racist.
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Nelson_Mandela
05/31/18 8:44:47 PM
#114:


Leafeon13N posted...
Even if it did cause aggressive outbursts those aren't going to be racist unless you are actually racist.

That's not even remotely true

Do you think the same goes for people with Tourette's who scream "n*****"?
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Jakyl25
05/31/18 8:48:36 PM
#115:


It wasnt a particularly aggressive racist outburst...seems like she just thought it was funny
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Leafeon13N
05/31/18 8:51:47 PM
#116:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
Even if it did cause aggressive outbursts those aren't going to be racist unless you are actually racist.

That's not even remotely true

Do you think the same goes for people with Tourette's who scream "n*****"?


You are confusing aggression with uncontrollable brain function.

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Nelson_Mandela
05/31/18 8:53:04 PM
#117:


Jakyl25 posted...
It wasnt a particularly aggressive racist outburst...seems like she just thought it was funny

Oh I'm not doubting she would never think/say such things. I just think it's irresponsible for the makes of an addictive drug that causes serious neurologic side effects to make such a snarky comment about someone who is potentially abusing their product.
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Nelson_Mandela
05/31/18 8:55:42 PM
#118:


Leafeon13N posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
Even if it did cause aggressive outbursts those aren't going to be racist unless you are actually racist.

That's not even remotely true

Do you think the same goes for people with Tourette's who scream "n*****"?


You are confusing aggression with uncontrollable brain function.

If a racist takes medication that prevents them from expressing themselves, are they suddenly not racist?

Ambien causes delusions, aggression, hallucinations. People have literally murdered their loved ones because of it. It's absolutely absurd to say for certain that it's impossible for someone to say/do things they don't mean while on it.
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TheRock1525
05/31/18 8:56:34 PM
#119:


My dad has been on ambien for almost 10 years and has never said racist shit while on it.

He has, however, bought shit off the internet that I would have to contact them and be like "we really don't want foreign language CDs."
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Nelson_Mandela
05/31/18 8:57:46 PM
#120:


TheRock1525 posted...
My dad has been on ambien for almost 10 years and has never said racist shit while on it.

He has, however, bought shit off the internet that I would have to contact them and be like "we really don't want foreign language CDs."

Exactly. People do things that don't make sense.
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TheRock1525
05/31/18 8:59:34 PM
#121:


No see, they follow logic, they just go to the wrong destination.

He wanted to learn Italian to go to Italy, so his brain said "sign up for this CD thing, the first CD is free!"

Same thing with him ordering stuff for his motorcycle. All of sudden an eagle horn cover shows up at the house.
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Jakyl25
05/31/18 9:05:04 PM
#122:


Roseanne was following logic too!

It was just racist logic
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TheRock1525
05/31/18 9:08:44 PM
#123:


Jakyl25 posted...
Roseanne was following logic too!

It was just racist logic


That's my point! Ambien makes you do things that are things you'd instinctively want to do, but that sensible filter usually rules out.

Normal mind: I want to learn Italian, but these CDs are just a means to get my credit card number and charge me.

Ambien mind: I want to learn Italian, woooo free CDs!

Normal mind: This woman looks like a cross between a Muslim and an Ape, but I better not post it because it'll cause a shitstorm.

Ambien mind: This woman looks like a Muslim Ape, oh shit that's super funny posting it!
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Nelson_Mandela
05/31/18 9:22:56 PM
#124:


TheRock1525 posted...
That's my point! Ambien makes you do things that are things you'd instinctively want to do, but that sensible filter usually rules out.

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about dude. Ambien has caused people to hack up their spouse with knives.

I worked on a next-generation sleeping aid that is preparing to supplant Ambien because it's a terrible drug. The parts of the brain Ambien activates are not exclusively "logical." It is not like sleepwalking.
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neonreaper
05/31/18 9:28:36 PM
#125:


Just in case you were curious where the bias came from
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Nelson_Mandela
05/31/18 9:30:26 PM
#126:


neonreaper posted...
Just in case you were curious where the bias came from

"Bias" meaning I know how the drug's mechanism of action works and it annoys me to see people smugly spewing nonsense.
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TheRock1525
05/31/18 10:21:55 PM
#127:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about dude.


Actually I do. I have a father taking anywhere upwards of 10+ medications at any given time, and I'm constantly researching drug interactions, side effects, any research I can get my hands on because doctors generally don't give much of a shit. I had to fight tooth and nail to get him off tramadol and gabapentin because it was causing severe allergic reactions, and yet the doctor kept insisting it couldn't happen until I found research and showed it to his face along with photos of the reaction.

So yeah, fuck right off with me not knowing about these things. I HAVE to know about these things or my dad fucking dies. I know because I let him self-medicate for a while and he proceeded to crash a fucking car into a ditch.
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kevwaffles
05/31/18 10:24:24 PM
#128:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
it annoys me to see people smugly spewing nonsense.

How on earth do you live with yourself?
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LapisLazuli
05/31/18 10:35:20 PM
#129:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
it annoys me to see people smugly spewing nonsense.


I have no reaction image powerful enough to respond to this comment.
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Nelson_Mandela
05/31/18 10:35:30 PM
#130:


TheRock1525 posted...
So yeah, f*** right off with me not knowing about these things. I HAVE to know about these things or my dad f***ing dies. I know because I let him self-medicate for a while and he proceeded to crash a f***ing car into a ditch.

Congratulations, you can read a list of side effects. Please tell me when you understand the agent's MOA and its activity on a person's neurophysiology.

You have made a factually incorrect assumption in your previous post. Not sure why you are even bothering to dispute this when you know you were just guessing based on anecdotal experience.
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scarletspeed7
05/31/18 10:37:55 PM
#131:


LapisLazuli posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
it annoys me to see people smugly spewing nonsense.


I have no reaction image powerful enough to respond to this comment.

I do.

https://imgur.com/5woV2NO
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foolm0r0n
05/31/18 11:01:41 PM
#132:


kevwaffles posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
it annoys me to see people smugly spewing nonsense.

How on earth do you live with yourself?

He has absolutely 0 self awareness and his life is only a reaction to others
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ChaosTonyV4
06/01/18 5:06:39 AM
#134:


One time when I took Ambien, my wife said I went on a 5 minute rant about Cubby (my dog) needs to lead the village to victory during the upcoming trial.
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Jakyl25
06/01/18 10:51:52 AM
#135:


Awww Cubby sounds like a good dog
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Mayonesa
06/01/18 11:17:02 AM
#136:


I work in a pharmacy and the people on Ambien are the worst. I've had someone threaten to burn the building down because we wouldn't give her extra pills before her refill was due.
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Suprak the Stud
06/01/18 1:54:32 PM
#137:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
So yeah, f*** right off with me not knowing about these things. I HAVE to know about these things or my dad f***ing dies. I know because I let him self-medicate for a while and he proceeded to crash a f***ing car into a ditch.

Congratulations, you can read a list of side effects. Please tell me when you understand the agent's MOA and its activity on a person's neurophysiology.

You have made a factually incorrect assumption in your previous post. Not sure why you are even bothering to dispute this when you know you were just guessing based on anecdotal experience.


As someone who is actually a chemist and is actually working in pharmacology right now, I think I outrank you on "knowing what I'm talking about" and can say you don't really know what you're talking about.

At least, you are greatly over exaggerating the negative effectives while minimizes the positives of ambien over its closest competitors. You're "working" on a competitor now (I'm assuming you aren't a chemist or scientist based on the way you talk so far so you must be on the business end of it?) - the people around you are likely to over exaggerate the benefits of their product specifically because they're trying to market it at the moment. They're not going to go "yeah ambien is ok but the side effects of this are slightly less serious" which if I had to guess is the actuality of the situation.

That being said, I think the truth of the situation is somewhere between the rock and seph. Ambien does have some potentially nasty side effects and one of them is dependence. It can also lead to some really bizarre side effects in an extreme minority of people. The vast majority report no negative side effects at all, so this is something to keep in mind. All these anecdotes of "well my uncle took it and went to North Dakota and started a bluegrass band" are just anecdotes, and do not affect 99% of people that take the drug. This is also a short term sort of thing, and Roseanne has been coming right up to the border of comments like this for years now. If she was sorry (and it was the ambien) there would not have been so many similar comments OR she would have apologized before this for comments that are out of her character.

In fact, there is no evidence ambien correlates to the violent behaviors suggested in this topic like "hacking their wife to death". That was a desperate defense thought up by a lawyer to save his client without ANY medical evidence, and if you believe that I'm sure you also believe the Twinkie defense and affluenza are both perfectly valid defenses and not crazy Hail Marys throw by a defense attorney because their client was screwed otherwise.

Still though pharmaceutical companies should stay out of stuff like this for a myriad of reasons.
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ExThaNemesis
06/01/18 2:07:53 PM
#138:


I like taking ambien and then fighting to stay awake while on my phone coz the letters and shit start jumping around lol

It has seriously helped me sleep a bunch though.
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pjbasis
06/01/18 2:29:42 PM
#139:


I love me some unprescribed Ambien and/or xanax
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foolm0r0n
06/01/18 2:37:04 PM
#140:


I'm extremely racist but I took ambien once and started respecting people as individual human beings and shit, wild night
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greengravy294
06/01/18 2:52:15 PM
#141:


I beat up homeless people when i take ambien personally (lol)
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Nelson_Mandela
06/01/18 5:26:03 PM
#142:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
So yeah, f*** right off with me not knowing about these things. I HAVE to know about these things or my dad f***ing dies. I know because I let him self-medicate for a while and he proceeded to crash a f***ing car into a ditch.

Congratulations, you can read a list of side effects. Please tell me when you understand the agent's MOA and its activity on a person's neurophysiology.

You have made a factually incorrect assumption in your previous post. Not sure why you are even bothering to dispute this when you know you were just guessing based on anecdotal experience.


As someone who is actually a chemist and is actually working in pharmacology right now, I think I outrank you on "knowing what I'm talking about" and can say you don't really know what you're talking about.

At least, you are greatly over exaggerating the negative effectives while minimizes the positives of ambien over its closest competitors. You're "working" on a competitor now (I'm assuming you aren't a chemist or scientist based on the way you talk so far so you must be on the business end of it?) - the people around you are likely to over exaggerate the benefits of their product specifically because they're trying to market it at the moment. They're not going to go "yeah ambien is ok but the side effects of this are slightly less serious" which if I had to guess is the actuality of the situation.

That being said, I think the truth of the situation is somewhere between the rock and seph. Ambien does have some potentially nasty side effects and one of them is dependence. It can also lead to some really bizarre side effects in an extreme minority of people. The vast majority report no negative side effects at all, so this is something to keep in mind. All these anecdotes of "well my uncle took it and went to North Dakota and started a bluegrass band" are just anecdotes, and do not affect 99% of people that take the drug. This is also a short term sort of thing, and Roseanne has been coming right up to the border of comments like this for years now. If she was sorry (and it was the ambien) there would not have been so many similar comments OR she would have apologized before this for comments that are out of her character.

In fact, there is no evidence ambien correlates to the violent behaviors suggested in this topic like "hacking their wife to death". That was a desperate defense thought up by a lawyer to save his client without ANY medical evidence, and if you believe that I'm sure you also believe the Twinkie defense and affluenza are both perfectly valid defenses and not crazy Hail Marys throw by a defense attorney because their client was screwed otherwise.

Still though pharmaceutical companies should stay out of stuff like this for a myriad of reasons.

I never said that everyone on Ambien experiences psychosis. I said it's extremely stupid, misleading and FACTUALLY INCORRECT for Sanofi to say definitively that their drug can't cause people to say uncharacteristically racist shit. It's completely irresponsible.
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foolm0r0n
06/01/18 5:42:25 PM
#143:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
for Sanofi to say definitively that their drug can't cause people to say uncharacteristically racist shit

Would you call it extremely stupid, misleading and FACTUALLY INCORRECT for you to imply that this is what they said when all they said is that it doesn't cause racism?

That seems completely irresponsible to me. Hopefully you're on ambien so you can blame all your mistakes on that.
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Nelson_Mandela
06/01/18 5:55:11 PM
#144:


foolm0r0n posted...
Would you call it extremely stupid, misleading and FACTUALLY INCORRECT for you to imply that this is what they said when all they said is that it doesn't cause racism?

But it literally can
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Waluigi1
06/01/18 6:54:56 PM
#145:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
Would you call it extremely stupid, misleading and FACTUALLY INCORRECT for you to imply that this is what they said when all they said is that it doesn't cause racism?

But it literally can

No, they'd already have to be racist.
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