Poll of the Day > Which do you think is bigger sports or movies?

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In the u.s. obv.

What do you mean by bigger

Probably movies.. even in a bad year (2017) more people go to the theater than watching a full game, whether its on TV or at an actual event

Declining NFL viewership too probably factors in

A popular movie is discussed more than a sports match, more often too
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Movies by far. Like not even a contest.
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Videogames.
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I would guess sports but thats probably because I like sports and think 99% of movies are boring and derivative.
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

I would guess sports but thats probably because I like sports and think 99% of movies are boring and derivative.

i think the opposite but i think sports may be bigger and about that you're right.

I think movies. But that's just based on people I know. Most of the people I know that like sports, also spend more than half the time talking about new movies. But all the people that go to the movies all the time never really talk about sports. But obviously, I don't know everyone, so...
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Zeus posted...

Movies by far. Like not even a contest.

Really now...

$56 billion spent on sporting events in 2017:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/11/americans-spend-56-billion-on-sporting-events.html

$11.09 billion spent on movie tickets in 2017:
http://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/u-s-movie-tickets-sold-2017-1202667483/

Actually, that sporting event number isn't exactly comparable as it factors in the cost of everything to attend, including food and transportation. So unless over 90% of that cost is for things other than the tickets, I'd say it's safe to say it's at least "a contest."
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Blaqthourne posted...

Zeus posted...

Movies by far. Like not even a contest.

Really now...

$56 billion spent on sporting events in 2017:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/11/americans-spend-56-billion-on-sporting-events.html

$11.09 billion spent on movie tickets in 2017:
http://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/u-s-movie-tickets-sold-2017-1202667483/

Actually, that sporting event number isn't exactly comparable as it factors in the cost of everything to attend, including food and transportation. So unless over 90% of that cost is for things other than the tickets, I'd say it's safe to say it's at least "a contest."

and also not counting the fact that these sports games are also watched by millions more through television broadcasts.
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There are way more professional sporting events in a year than there is movies

DirtBasedSoap posted...

Blaqthourne posted...

Zeus posted...

Movies by far. Like not even a contest.

Really now...

$56 billion spent on sporting events in 2017:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/11/americans-spend-56-billion-on-sporting-events.html

$11.09 billion spent on movie tickets in 2017:
http://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/u-s-movie-tickets-sold-2017-1202667483/

Actually, that sporting event number isn't exactly comparable as it factors in the cost of everything to attend, including food and transportation. So unless over 90% of that cost is for things other than the tickets, I'd say it's safe to say it's at least "a contest."

and also not counting the fact that these sports games are also watched by millions more through television broadcasts.

You can say the same thing about movies.
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MICHALECOLE posted...

There are way more professional sporting events in a year than there is movies

Movie theaters are much more accessible, though. Just about any person in the US could easily watch 5 or 6 movies in a theater every single day (if they're willing to do it) -- there is no way you could do that with professional sports. Pretty much every town of probably a few thousand people and up is going to have at least one theater. There are no where near as many professional sports venues. Of course, that's somewhat offset by larger attendance possible per game.
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Blaqthourne posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

There are way more professional sporting events in a year than there is movies

Movie theaters are much more accessible, though. Just about any person in the US could easily watch 5 or 6 movies in a theater every single day (if they're willing to do it, and cost dependant (I'm just talking about the pure possibility, time-wise)) -- there is no way you could do that with professional sports. Pretty much every town of probably a few thousand people and up is going to have at least one theater. There are no where near as many professional sports venues. Of course, that's somewhat offset by larger attendance possible per game.

Okay, but what about watching them on tv?

The film industry is dying in the US. That's why increasingly Chinese characters are showing up for no reason in American blockbusters.

MICHALECOLE posted...

Okay, but what about watching them on tv?

What about it? People watch both on TV. You'd have to get into Nielsen Ratings as well as home video sales and rental figures for that comparison.

Depending on what the TC means by "bigger", I think it goes either way. If you compare how many movie tickets were sold compared to professional sporting event tickets, I wouldn't be surprised if more than twice as many movie tickets were sold than pro sporting event tickets, if the 1.239 billion number is accurate here:
http://ew.com/movies/2018/01/02/us-2017-movie-ticket-sales-lowest-25-years/
If you add up the numbers for NCAA football, NCAA men's basketball, MLB, NFL, NHL, and NBA, that's only around 100 million tickets.

But if you go with money spent, I'd say sports is bigger. If you include amateur sports attendance (like attending your kids' sporting events), I'd say sports would also get the nod.
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Blaqthourne posted...

MICHALECOLE posted...

Okay, but what about watching them on tv?

What about it? People watch both on TV. You'd have to get into Nielsen Ratings as well as home video sales and rental figures for that comparison.

Depending on what the TC means by "bigger", I think it goes either way. If you compare how many movie tickets were sold compared to professional sporting event tickets, I wouldn't be surprised if more than twice as many movie tickets were sold than pro sporting event tickets, if the 1.239 billion number is accurate here:
http://ew.com/movies/2018/01/02/us-2017-movie-ticket-sales-lowest-25-years/
If you add up the numbers for NCAA football, NCAA men's basketball, MLB, NFL, NHL, and NBA, that's only around 100 million tickets.

But if you go with money spent, I'd say sports is bigger. If you include amateur sports attendance (like attending your kids' sporting events), I'd say sports would also get the nod.

Yeah, thats why my original question was what does he mean by bigger.

Including blu ray sales and even things like Netflix would change a lot, and then including sports merchandise would change a lot, and then you would even have to think about movie merchandise like toys and stuff.

Tc needs to define his question for a real answer

Blaqthourne posted...

Zeus posted...

Movies by far. Like not even a contest.

Really now...

$56 billion spent on sporting events in 2017:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/11/americans-spend-56-billion-on-sporting-events.html

$11.09 billion spent on movie tickets in 2017:
http://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/u-s-movie-tickets-sold-2017-1202667483/

Actually, that sporting event number isn't exactly comparable as it factors in the cost of everything to attend, including food and transportation. So unless over 90% of that cost is for things other than the tickets, I'd say it's safe to say it's at least "a contest."

1) Movie tickets aren't the entire movie industry. Personally, I probably watch 50 movies a year (possibly as many as a 100, although I've cut back in recent years), exactly zero of which I see in theaters. And sure, sports fans also watch from home and listen to the radio... which is why just looking at the total revenue from in-person activity is a kinda meaningless metric.

2) The cost of sporting event tickets are higher than movie tickets -- even the cheap seats. That's not counting other costs at games, which can be fucking insane. The fact that a total spend is higher because things far more doesn't mean it's bigger. Sports also have a far higher *dedicated* fan-base which drives up the spend, whereas movies have a lot more people who might see a handful of films a year.

3) The fact that there's a massively higher per-person spend nowadays doesn't mean that the industry is bigger. The WWE is also more profitable thanks to a higher per-person spend despite the wrestling industry being quite possibly the smallest it's ever been.

Sports are driven by a smaller, more dedicated fanbase which often spends *obscene* amounts of money to regularly attend games. Movies are more widely viewed by everybody. Of course, the most obvious -- and telling statistic -- might be the gender disparity. The closest to gender equity you see with viewership for any sport is Nascar, which is *still* just 37% female whereas over HALF the nation is female.

http://demographicpartitions.org/demographics-of-sports-fans-u-s/

However, 52% of movie viewers are women, which is roughly in-line with the nation's actual gender representation.

https://www.mpaa.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/MPAA-Theatrical-Market-Statistics-2016_Final.pdf

And sure, that doesn't necessarily speak to total numbers, but how can you expect near-full involvement of a population if the viewership has a gender disparity that doesn't come close to resembling the total population?

wah_wah_wah posted...

The film industry is dying in the US. That's why increasingly Chinese characters are showing up for no reason in American blockbusters.

It's not dying, but nice trolling. The fact that they're pandering to China is that they can attract far more sales ON TOP OF what they do in Western markets.
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Movies in the USA, sports globally (football).
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So, basically, we need TC to add more info for us to accurately answer his question?
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Sports. You've got youth leagues, school leagues, college leagues, minor leagues, and major leagues. Movies tend to be a flash in the pan comparatively.
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@ Zeus
The global movie industry was $90 billion in 2014 and projected to continue shrinking (I can't find anything more recent):
https://businesstech.co.za/news/lifestyle/88472/the-biggest-entertainment-markets-in-the-world/

That's GLOBAL.

"In all, [American] consumers shelled out more than $100 billion on sports-related purchases in [2017]", according to the CNBC link I posted earlier.

So, going back to your original post, I'd say it's definitely a contest.

And again, this all depends on what the TC means by "biggest."
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Blaqthourne posted...

@ Zeus
The global movie industry was $90 billion in 2014 and projected to continue shrinking (I can't find anything more recent):
https://businesstech.co.za/news/lifestyle/88472/the-biggest-entertainment-markets-in-the-world/

That's GLOBAL.

"In all, [American] consumers shelled out more than $100 billion on sports-related purchases in [2017]", according to the CNBC link I posted earlier.

So, going back to your original post, I'd say it's definitely a contest.

And again, this all depends on what the TC means by "biggest."

I wouldn't even say it like it is a dollar and cent issue either. I notice there's more and more types of sports that are getting audiences (including esports) whereas the types of movies getting made are narrower and narrower. You can only get financing for a movie or less than $1 million or over $100 million. And it usually has to be a sequel to something, a remake to something, part of a franchise, and/or have some legacy director behind it. Also even if it has those qualities, they'll try to shoehorn an Asian or Chinese person as at least a supporting character.

Do you mean taller
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Zeus is right. Shouldn't be based on money. Similar thing when a new movie blows an old movie out of the water monetarily... I guess inflation isn't a thing to consider for them.
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CwebbMichSac4 posted...

Which do you think is bigger sports or movies? In the u.s. obv.

Burger King.
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wwinterj25 posted...

CwebbMichSac4 posted...

Which do you think is bigger sports or movies? In the u.s. obv.

Burger King.

I feel like they aren't as big as many other places. Like certain ones mentioned on this very board...
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Movies
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Sports are way bigger. It's not even remotely close.
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