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mario2000 posted...

no i'm saying people need to quit being dorks and just have fun

Some people actually give a shit about the subject matter and want it realistically represented. I'm sure if someone took one of your favorite pieces of media and made a shitty Hollywood movie out of it that bastardized the entire point and themes, you'd be mad too.

But hey, I'm a dork because I want a game about the worst 6 years in human history, the plight and adversity of which none of us could comprehend, treated with a bit of dignity instead of cyborg-arm super soldiers--This coming from a franchise that used to try to distinguish itself from the norm with a little investment in realism.
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StarReaper13 posted...

A woman with a prosthetic arm fighting on the front lines.

Sorry that some people might have a problem with that when you're supposed to be an authentic WW2 game.

Who said it's supposed to be an authentic WW2 game?
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Touch posted...

StarReaper13 posted...

A woman with a prosthetic arm fighting on the front lines.

Sorry that some people might have a problem with that when you're supposed to be an authentic WW2 game.

Who said it's supposed to be an authentic WW2 game?

The crew behind the game.
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Touch posted...

StarReaper13 posted...

A woman with a prosthetic arm fighting on the front lines.

Sorry that some people might have a problem with that when you're supposed to be an authentic WW2 game.

Who said it's supposed to be an authentic WW2 game?

alphagamble posted...

https://twitter.com/Battlefield/status/999427230857072640

Literally a few posts above mine.
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RebelElite791 posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

https://twitter.com/DaveMilbo/status/999426392239390721

@Anarchy_Juiblex

@The_Ivory_Man
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

mario2000 posted...

no i'm saying people need to quit being dorks and just have fun

Some people actually give a shit about the subject matter and want it realistically represented. I'm sure if someone took one of your favorite pieces of media and made a shitty Hollywood movie out of it that bastardized the entire point and themes, you'd be mad too.

But hey, I'm a dork because I want a game about the worst 6 years in human history, the plight and adversity of which none of us could comprehend, treated with a bit of dignity instead of cyborg-arm super soldiers--This coming from a franchise that used to try to distinguish itself from the norm with a little investment in realism.

yeah i'd say you're a dork
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

mario2000 posted...

no i'm saying people need to quit being dorks and just have fun

Some people actually give a shit about the subject matter and want it realistically represented. I'm sure if someone took one of your favorite pieces of media and made a shitty Hollywood movie out of it that bastardized the entire point and themes, you'd be mad too.

But hey, I'm a dork because I want a game about the worst 6 years in human history, the plight and adversity of which none of us could comprehend, treated with a bit of dignity instead of cyborg-arm super soldiers--This coming from a franchise that used to try to distinguish itself from the norm with a little investment in realism.

im sure you're really concerned about the depiction of a tragedy presented in a fucking dice game that is going to be full of people glitching through walls and sniping people, middle schoolers screaming over voicechat and half of your team sitting around doing nothing at any given time waiting for planes to spawn
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"A game has glitches so you can't complain about other aspects of it."

You guys are fucking shitting the bed on your narrative here.

middle schoolers screaming over voicechat

Yeah, a multi player game is going to have kids playing, I guess we can't have any standards . . . what the fuck are you on about?
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mario2000 posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

mario2000 posted...

no i'm saying people need to quit being dorks and just have fun

Some people actually give a shit about the subject matter and want it realistically represented. I'm sure if someone took one of your favorite pieces of media and made a shitty Hollywood movie out of it that bastardized the entire point and themes, you'd be mad too.

But hey, I'm a dork because I want a game about the worst 6 years in human history, the plight and adversity of which none of us could comprehend, treated with a bit of dignity instead of cyborg-arm super soldiers--This coming from a franchise that used to try to distinguish itself from the norm with a little investment in realism.

yeah i'd say you're a dork

I'd say you're a brat, but it wouldn't move this conversation anywhere. Are you done trying to defend you opinion, or are you just interested in trolling?
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

"A game has glitches so you can't complain about other aspects of it."

You guys are fucking shitting the bed on your narrative here.

middle schoolers screaming over voicechat

Yeah, a multi player game is going to have kids playing, I guess we can't have any standards . . . what the fuck are you on about?

i dont care about this stupid game but people who think that battlefield games are realistic, or that the series probably best known for soldiers flopping around like dolphins to dodge bullets and people suicide bombing jeeps at you until you quit the server is somehow having a tasteful vision of the horrors of ww2 marred by a stupidly designed character are insanely hilarious
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RebelElite791 posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

https://twitter.com/DaveMilbo/status/999426392239390721

@Anarchy_Juiblex

@The_Ivory_Man

Already responded to that.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76638819/901911157

Try reading instead of repeatedly posting the same thing because you know you have no argument.
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ultimate reaver posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

"A game has glitches so you can't complain about other aspects of it."

You guys are fucking shitting the bed on your narrative here.

middle schoolers screaming over voicechat

Yeah, a multi player game is going to have kids playing, I guess we can't have any standards . . . what the fuck are you on about?

i dont care about this stupid game but people who think that battlefield games are realistic, or that the series probably best known for soldiers flopping around like dolphins to dodge bullets and people suicide bombing jeeps at you until you quit the server is somehow having a tasteful vision of the horrors of ww2 marred by a stupidly designed character are insanely hilarious

Developers stated they intend to make it authentic.

It clearly isn't.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

I'd say you're a brat, but it wouldn't move this conversation anywhere. Are you done trying to defend you opinion, or are you just interested in trolling?

What do you expect lol
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I don't want a campaign of a white guy screaming racial slurs at a black guy, but I would have preferred a campaign showcasing them and showing the discrimination that was present at the time, then showing how much they did during the war, and with their territory gains it would have been fun.


Ever play Valkyria Chronicles? There's a race of people there that are described as smelly and greedy, with dark colored hair to distinguish them from the cast. They're placed in suicide units and often called racial slurs by even the main cast.

The fact that what I just described could describe the anti-Jewish sentiment going through Germany as much as it does the fictional group of people in the game, shows just how subtle game developers are when it comes to this subject. If it's gonna be that black and white then it's better left to the imagination instead.

Ironically, CoD WW2 had a black man in the team (described as transferred at his request), and the most they did with that was just show expression that "they let guys like him fight". They also touch on the Holocaust, if ever so briefly. If you're wondering why nobody's bringing these up months later, it's because nobody thought either move was as impactful as the people who were advocating it thought.

If you want fantastic racism depicted in WW2, watch a movie or read Night. Nobody funding this game is gonna risk losing potential buyers just because DICE felt that they HAD to have all white squads to appease the internet commentators who were never gonna buy the game anyway.

https://www.polygon.com/2017/4/26/15438184/call-of-duty-wwii-trailer-reveal-diversity

Playability is the special obligation of interactive entertainment in telling a story, an obligation that movies like The Guns of Navarone or The Longest Day dont face, even in hindsight 50 years later. A lot of different people are going to play Call of Duty: WWII. Just because brothers of different races didnt fight alongside each other doesnt mean that players in the year 2017 shouldnt inhabit and absorb all their experiences.

And that's what it's all about. Playing the game for enjoyment, and taking and sentimental value that the developers try to throw in there if we want to, not indoctrinating people to feel a certain way.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

ultimate reaver posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

"A game has glitches so you can't complain about other aspects of it."

You guys are fucking shitting the bed on your narrative here.

middle schoolers screaming over voicechat

Yeah, a multi player game is going to have kids playing, I guess we can't have any standards . . . what the fuck are you on about?

i dont care about this stupid game but people who think that battlefield games are realistic, or that the series probably best known for soldiers flopping around like dolphins to dodge bullets and people suicide bombing jeeps at you until you quit the server is somehow having a tasteful vision of the horrors of ww2 marred by a stupidly designed character are insanely hilarious

Developers stated they intend to make it authentic.

It clearly isn't.

Dice hasn't said anything genuine or worth caring about since roughly around when they were purchased by EA. This is the dumbest hill to die on in the universe considering how trashy, mass-produced and focus tested literally everything else about these games are. It's like living in a house with a roof filled with holes and demanding the wallpaper in the bathroom be a different shade of green.

They've somehow managed to get lootboxes out of their system after the debacle of the last game they churned out, but I have little doubt that they'll manage to fuck it up spectacularly and nickle and dime people to death otherwise
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StarReaper13 posted...

Touch posted...

StarReaper13 posted...

A woman with a prosthetic arm fighting on the front lines.

Sorry that some people might have a problem with that when you're supposed to be an authentic WW2 game.

Who said it's supposed to be an authentic WW2 game?

alphagamble posted...

https://twitter.com/Battlefield/status/999427230857072640

Literally a few posts above mine.

"A level of authenticity" is a lawyer typa way of giving it wiggle room.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

https://twitter.com/DaveMilbo/status/999426392239390721

@Anarchy_Juiblex

@The_Ivory_Man

Already responded to that.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76638819/901911157

Try reading instead of repeatedly posting the same thing because you know you have no argument.

That's pretty clearly not the tweet in the chain that I'm highlighting here genius.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

mario2000 posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

mario2000 posted...

no i'm saying people need to quit being dorks and just have fun

Some people actually give a shit about the subject matter and want it realistically represented. I'm sure if someone took one of your favorite pieces of media and made a shitty Hollywood movie out of it that bastardized the entire point and themes, you'd be mad too.

But hey, I'm a dork because I want a game about the worst 6 years in human history, the plight and adversity of which none of us could comprehend, treated with a bit of dignity instead of cyborg-arm super soldiers--This coming from a franchise that used to try to distinguish itself from the norm with a little investment in realism.

yeah i'd say you're a dork

I'd say you're a brat, but it wouldn't move this conversation anywhere. Are you done trying to defend you opinion, or are you just interested in trolling?

zzz
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ultimate reaver posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

mario2000 posted...

no i'm saying people need to quit being dorks and just have fun

Some people actually give a shit about the subject matter and want it realistically represented. I'm sure if someone took one of your favorite pieces of media and made a shitty Hollywood movie out of it that bastardized the entire point and themes, you'd be mad too.

But hey, I'm a dork because I want a game about the worst 6 years in human history, the plight and adversity of which none of us could comprehend, treated with a bit of dignity instead of cyborg-arm super soldiers--This coming from a franchise that used to try to distinguish itself from the norm with a little investment in realism.

im sure you're really concerned about the depiction of a tragedy presented in a fucking dice game that is going to be full of people glitching through walls and sniping people, middle schoolers screaming over voicechat and half of your team sitting around doing nothing at any given time waiting for planes to spawn

BF1 could at least foster moments of thematic dread. Many maps were gorgeous with detritus and ruin, and tense firefights could occur.

But hey, if it can't be perfect, I might as well throw the baby out with the bathwater, right? If I can't have Saving Private Ryan I should settle for Fortnite, right? Because that's the conclusion of that argument. I'm not asking for perfection, I'm asking for more than what they've shown. I have a standard and I believe it is reasonable, but I'm attacked for simply having that standard.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Ever play Valkyria Chronicles? There's a race of people there that are described as smelly and greedy, with dark colored hair to distinguish them from the cast. They're placed in suicide units and often called racial slurs by even the main cast.

The fact that what I just described could describe the anti-Jewish sentiment going through Germany as much as it does the fictional group of people in the game, shows just how subtle game developers can are when it comes to this subject. If it's gonna be that black and white then it's better left to the imagination instead.

Ironically, CoD WW2 had a black man in the team (described as transferred at his request), and the most they did with that was just show expression that "they let guys like him fight". They also touch on the Holocaust, if ever so briefly. If you're wondering why nobody's bringing these up months later, it's because nobody thought either move was as impactful as the people who were advocating it thought.

If you want fantastic racism depicted in WW2, watch a movie or read Night. Nobody funding this game is gonna risk losing potential buyers just because DICE felt that they HAD to have all white squads to appease the internet commentators who were never gonna buy the game anyway.

https://www.polygon.com/2017/4/26/15438184/call-of-duty-wwii-trailer-reveal-diversity

Playability is the special obligation of interactive entertainment in telling a story, an obligation that movies like The Guns of Navarone or The Longest Day dont face, even in hindsight 50 years later. A lot of different people are going to play Call of Duty: WWII. Just because brothers of different races didnt fight alongside each other doesnt mean that players in the year 2017 shouldnt inhabit and absorb all their experiences.

And that's what it's all about. Playing the game for enjoyment, and taking and sentimental value that the developers try to throw in there if we want to, not indoctrinating people to feel a certain way.

Alrighty

First off, Japanese devs are never good with subtle stuff. And Yakuza and Metal Gear are some of my favorite VG Franchises. (Although actually some touches are pretty great, like Ocelot being gay which is done well without loads of focus)

It's not impossible to write a good story for a video game, seriously we are past the point of having crappy stories.

Wolfenstein:TNO approached the subject well with details even making a character with a swastika tattooed on him a very sympathetic character. And that's not authentic at all.

Valiant Hearts also dealt with the discrimination pointing out America didn't even use their black soldiers, having the black characters under French command even with the simple and storybook esque story, it still allowed authenticity.

Why is it impossible for Battlefield to do well?

You are stuck on this point, where you keep arguing they couldn't do it. Why not?

I would have purchased the Premium for Battlefield 1 had it been authentic, and my friends who were also dissapointed would have as well. So there are people it appeals to. I purchased the game and was dissapointed and they were as well.

Nobody said to cut black people from the game. I want the troops to be authentically segregated, some maps are all black. Others all white. I also don't want full autos spraying everywhere or metal armor that blocks bullets either.

I want an experience that feels like WW1.
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I could tell from the topic title this was going to be a mentally simulating topic.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

(Although actually some touches are pretty great, like Ocelot being gay which is done well without loads of focus)

What
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People who hate this game already because of a female character have one of those weird personas where everything is pandering to SJWs! and are nerds who shouldnt be taken seriously at all, in regards to anything
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Looks good to me; BF1 was great
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Stepping back from the identity shit for a slight moment and looking at the class aspect, it does confound me that regressives will white knight the largest, worst mega-corporation in the whole gaming industry at the drop of a dime, because of shallow ass pandering.

"Yeah we're going to defend yet another assault on video games as an art, because we don't like your tone."
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RebelElite791 posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

https://twitter.com/DaveMilbo/status/999426392239390721

@Anarchy_Juiblex

@The_Ivory_Man

Already responded to that.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76638819/901911157

Try reading instead of repeatedly posting the same thing because you know you have no argument.

That's pretty clearly not the tweet in the chain that I'm highlighting here genius.

Which you didn't explain, because you aren't bothering to actually talk. If you did maybe people would understand your points.

That guy's whole point is "lol history" though.

Saying authentic doesn't matter. I explained why it does.

There are obvious points where gameplay mechanics have to come in. Implementing a realistic wound system (which while I would love to see it in a game) is extremely difficult, and to make things fun it's all simplified.

There are acceptable breaks. But sorry metal armored soldiers, prosthetics behaving as well as normal hands, beating people to death with cricket bats, and so on are too much for me, for something meant to be authentic.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

(Although actually some touches are pretty great, like Ocelot being gay which is done well without loads of focus)

What

Ocelot is gay.

It's actually subtle in the way it's told.

That's it, it's something I thought was done well.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

Which you didn't explain, because you aren't bothering to actually talk. If you did maybe people would understand your points.

You went to the last tweet in the chain I linked to nitpick it. It was pretty obvious I was referring to the first ones that display absolutely zero fucking realism.

But why am I not surprised that the user whose entire gimmick started with racist shitposting on the Skyrim board is so upset about this
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

ultimate reaver posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

mario2000 posted...

no i'm saying people need to quit being dorks and just have fun

Some people actually give a shit about the subject matter and want it realistically represented. I'm sure if someone took one of your favorite pieces of media and made a shitty Hollywood movie out of it that bastardized the entire point and themes, you'd be mad too.

But hey, I'm a dork because I want a game about the worst 6 years in human history, the plight and adversity of which none of us could comprehend, treated with a bit of dignity instead of cyborg-arm super soldiers--This coming from a franchise that used to try to distinguish itself from the norm with a little investment in realism.

im sure you're really concerned about the depiction of a tragedy presented in a fucking dice game that is going to be full of people glitching through walls and sniping people, middle schoolers screaming over voicechat and half of your team sitting around doing nothing at any given time waiting for planes to spawn

BF1 could at least foster moments of thematic dread. Many maps were gorgeous with detritus and ruin, and tense firefights could occur.

But hey, if it can't be perfect, I might as well throw the baby out with the bathwater, right? If I can't have Saving Private Ryan I should settle for Fortnite, right? Because that's the conclusion of that argument. I'm not asking for perfection, I'm asking for more than what they've shown. I have a standard and I believe it is reasonable, but I'm attacked for simply having that standard.

Your standard is completely and absurdly threatened by an incredibly minute thing when you don't realize that the series has been steadily more accessible and CODized dreck for more than a decade. You're what people mean when they say "can't see the forest for the trees."

If you want a serious, mature WW2 then EA multiplayer fartfests are the wrong place to be looking.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

(Although actually some touches are pretty great, like Ocelot being gay which is done well without loads of focus)

What

Ocelot is gay.

It's actually subtle in the way it's told.

That's it, it's something I thought was done well.

Where does it say he's gay
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So if a game has weird gameplay anomalies, bugs, gltiches, wonky artifacts, then realism as a future metric is out the window?

And you wonder why no one thought that was a digression worth addressing?

@RebelElite791
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RebelElite791 posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

Which you didn't explain, because you aren't bothering to actually talk. If you did maybe people would understand your points.

You went to the last tweet in the chain I linked to nitpick it. It was pretty obvious I was referring to the first ones that display absolutely zero fucking realism.

But why am I not surprised that the user whose entire gimmick started with racist shitposting on the Skyrim board is so upset about this

Ohhh skipping the point again.

Authenticity is important.

You wanna know why I feel this strongly?

I was talking to a 11 year old relative who didn't know about the segregated military. Which is funny considering my grandpa was in the first integrated unit.

Forgetting the past is horrible, we don't need a generation who doesn't realize the US didn't hold people equally.

WW1 wasn't even 100 years ago, stains in history need to be remembered, and whitewashing something simple like media leads to the populace.

So yes, authenticity is important.

And by the way, yeah that's that guy's point

"It's, like, not even about the history anymore"
"With female soldiers Battlefield is abandoning realism"
"It's totally rewriting history!"

Because he doesn't think history should matter in the game's development.

So I'm not missing anything.
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DocileOrangeCup posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

DocileOrangeCup posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

(Although actually some touches are pretty great, like Ocelot being gay which is done well without loads of focus)

What

Ocelot is gay.

It's actually subtle in the way it's told.

That's it, it's something I thought was done well.

Where does it say he's gay

He compares his feelings for Big Boss to Quiet and Eva's.

Describes torture as intimate, which he gets his taste for when watching Big Boss.

Is "lost in fantasy thinking about Big Boss" when talking about how "he really is something else" during MGS3.

From which Volgin tells him to stop thinking about Big Boss because that kind of thought keeps you distracted.

The script for MGS3 makes it really explicit.
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ultimate reaver posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

ultimate reaver posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

mario2000 posted...

no i'm saying people need to quit being dorks and just have fun

Some people actually give a shit about the subject matter and want it realistically represented. I'm sure if someone took one of your favorite pieces of media and made a shitty Hollywood movie out of it that bastardized the entire point and themes, you'd be mad too.

But hey, I'm a dork because I want a game about the worst 6 years in human history, the plight and adversity of which none of us could comprehend, treated with a bit of dignity instead of cyborg-arm super soldiers--This coming from a franchise that used to try to distinguish itself from the norm with a little investment in realism.

im sure you're really concerned about the depiction of a tragedy presented in a fucking dice game that is going to be full of people glitching through walls and sniping people, middle schoolers screaming over voicechat and half of your team sitting around doing nothing at any given time waiting for planes to spawn

BF1 could at least foster moments of thematic dread. Many maps were gorgeous with detritus and ruin, and tense firefights could occur.

But hey, if it can't be perfect, I might as well throw the baby out with the bathwater, right? If I can't have Saving Private Ryan I should settle for Fortnite, right? Because that's the conclusion of that argument. I'm not asking for perfection, I'm asking for more than what they've shown. I have a standard and I believe it is reasonable, but I'm attacked for simply having that standard.

Your standard is completely and absurdly threatened by an incredibly minute thing when you don't realize that the series has been steadily more accessible and CODized dreck for more than a decade. You're what people mean when they say "can't see the forest for the trees."

If you want a serious, mature WW2 then EA multiplayer fartfests are the wrong place to be looking.

For starters, what "incredibly minute thing" are you talking about? I thought the whole trailer looked like trash.

Second, I'm well aware it's "more accessible" now, but are you really trying to high-road me but pretending like I should hate everything EA has ever made? BF1 was a solid game with a lot of issues, but at least it took an under-rated setting (WW1, which only Verdun has done any justice to prior) and gave it a fresh, current gen experience. Frankly, I don't need another CoD WW2, as the first one was bad enough. I can have all the expectations for a good game that I want, and if DICE doesn't meet them then I'll criticize them and not buy it. But you're so damn enlightened by your own farts, I don't think it matters what I say.

Don't speak for me with your broad and ridiculous statements. My standards are my own and I'll gladly tell you whatever they are, but don't presume to superimpose your perceptions on to me.
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mario2000 posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

mario2000 posted...

no i'm saying people need to quit being dorks and just have fun

Some people actually give a shit about the subject matter and want it realistically represented. I'm sure if someone took one of your favorite pieces of media and made a shitty Hollywood movie out of it that bastardized the entire point and themes, you'd be mad too.

But hey, I'm a dork because I want a game about the worst 6 years in human history, the plight and adversity of which none of us could comprehend, treated with a bit of dignity instead of cyborg-arm super soldiers--This coming from a franchise that used to try to distinguish itself from the norm with a little investment in realism.

yeah i'd say you're a dork

Maybe you're just being sensitive about all this?
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

mario2000 posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

mario2000 posted...

no i'm saying people need to quit being dorks and just have fun

Some people actually give a shit about the subject matter and want it realistically represented. I'm sure if someone took one of your favorite pieces of media and made a shitty Hollywood movie out of it that bastardized the entire point and themes, you'd be mad too.

But hey, I'm a dork because I want a game about the worst 6 years in human history, the plight and adversity of which none of us could comprehend, treated with a bit of dignity instead of cyborg-arm super soldiers--This coming from a franchise that used to try to distinguish itself from the norm with a little investment in realism.

yeah i'd say you're a dork

Maybe you're just being sensitive about all this?

neo: whoa
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