Current Events > I've been reading a lot of stuff on r/TheRedPill and r/Seduction lately

(+) Yeah! (+)

look at this guy trolling away consistently
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>reads Reddit
lmao
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ssj-kenobi posted...

tbh in the dating world, girls are literally the jobs/employers

dudes are the jobseeker. and y'all know how the job market can be especially when for every job you could be having 100 applicants lmao.

there is a reason why all of a sudden other girls start being into you more when it's known you have a gf. but then when you are single, you are really and heavily single af XD. it's always the same cycle for me, when I'm single no one has the slightest interest in me whatsoever and I have to try harder. then all of a sudden when I'm either actively pursuing a girl or am currently with one then other girls start contacting and flirting with me and shit. it's pretty annoying lol.

I cannot go without cringing seeing these "Women have it easy!" filth like this.
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HellsingOrg posted...

>reads Reddit
lmao

I been reading theredpill for like the past 30 minutes, honestly sounds like a lot of those topics are just fake stories, it just fits their narrative a little to perfectly for it to be real imo. Also, contrary what 135 said, the vocabulary from the PUA community is totally interchangeable with the redpill community
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https://imgur.com/f7DtB7K
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Kolibri X posted...

https://imgur.com/f7DtB7K

Maybe the most meticulously crafted strawmen in order to generate self pity I've ever seen
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Kolibri X posted...

https://imgur.com/f7DtB7K

imagine unironically posting this
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DracoSpire posted...

ssj-kenobi posted...

tbh in the dating world, girls are literally the jobs/employers

dudes are the jobseeker. and y'all know how the job market can be especially when for every job you could be having 100 applicants lmao.

there is a reason why all of a sudden other girls start being into you more when it's known you have a gf. but then when you are single, you are really and heavily single af XD. it's always the same cycle for me, when I'm single no one has the slightest interest in me whatsoever and I have to try harder. then all of a sudden when I'm either actively pursuing a girl or am currently with one then other girls start contacting and flirting with me and shit. it's pretty annoying lol.

I cannot go without cringing seeing these "Women have it easy!" filth like this.

it's true especially if the girl is attractive.

Delirious_Beard posted...

Kolibri X posted...

https://imgur.com/f7DtB7K

imagine unironically posting this

S E C U R I T Y!
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Kazi1212 posted...

HellsingOrg posted...

>reads Reddit
lmao

I been reading theredpill for like the past 30 minutes, honestly sounds like a lot of those topics are just fake stories, it just fits their narrative a little to perfectly for it to be real imo. Also, contrary what 135 said, the vocabulary from the PUA community is totally interchangeable with the redpill community

TRP=/=PUA

PUA focuses on behavior(confidence and behavior) and nothing else. TRP in the context of seduction focuses more on LMS(looksmaxing, moneymaxing, statusmaxing and acknowledging that women have preferences).

one is real, and the other is psuedo science.

PUA is more closer to other incel communities such as MGTOW/LOOKISM/etc so please don't get us red pillers twisted with any incel communities or any psuedo science communities(PUA). People who assiacate the red pill community to incels is speaking out of 100% ignorance.

135 makes the red pill sound so reasonable and wholesome, instead of the hateful cesspit it largely is
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135 posted...

it's true especially if the girl is attractive.

Maybe that might be the case for hooking up, but when you're trying to find someone to start a relationship with, it's not some battleground with 100 men all fighting to the death for 1 woman like you believe it is. Believe it or not, men who are looking for a relationship actually value more than looks. Do you seriously think that all it takes for a woman to find a significant other (that isn't extremely desperate and pathetic) is to exist and not need any other redeeming qualities? If so, then you clearly don't know a single thing about how relationships work, as that is an incredibly stupid mentality to have.
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DracoSpire posted...

Maybe that might be the case for hooking up, but when you're trying to find someone to start a relationship with, it's not some battleground with 100 men all fighting to the death for 1 woman like you believe it is.

yes it is, especially if she's attractive. In order for a woman to consider your personality or other redeeming qualities, the woman has to be attracted first in a non platonic way. If she's not, you will just be in the friend zone.

DracoSpire posted...

Believe it or not, men who are looking for a relationship actually value more than looks. Do you seriously think that all it takes for a woman to find a significant other (that isn't extremely desperate and pathetic) is to exist and not need any other redeeming qualities? If so, then you clearly don't know a single thing about how relationships work, as that is an incredibly stupid mentality to have.

Same concept as I said above. If i'm not physically attracted to the woman, i can are less about her personality. I want both looks and personality and i'm sure i speak on behalf of men with actual standards and self respect.

from my point of view, i rarely see mismatched couples anyway. Most couples are within their looksmatch. Lucky for me, i'm good looking (extremely fit w/ pretty boy facial aesthetics)

DavidWong posted...

Women want men who are interesting and offer them something, a stimulating relationship.

You're a nice guy? Got a job? Decent looking? Great, youre one of the 14 other guys who have those qualities trying to talk to the pretty girl.

What do you offer? Can you play the guitar? Do you have ambitions of being a CEO? Do you travel the world and want to share that with someone?

Put it this way. Would you buy the cereal that is a plain white box with the word "Cereal" in black text on it, and the tagline "This is nourishing and provides the energy you need", or the one that is colourful, has a snappy name and advertises itself as "healthy" or "delicious"?

You people are such betas.

So you are a nice, decent, good looking guy with a good job, so.... join the queue. You're nothing special and you gotta be some special peacock to stand out and get a girl.

Fair enough. This girl has nice boobs. What else does she have to offer? It goes both ways. Stop being so submissive, this is why y'all are so thirsty

Shuto-uke posted...

DavidWong posted...

Women want men who are interesting and offer them something, a stimulating relationship.

You're a nice guy? Got a job? Decent looking? Great, youre one of the 14 other guys who have those qualities trying to talk to the pretty girl.

What do you offer? Can you play the guitar? Do you have ambitions of being a CEO? Do you travel the world and want to share that with someone?

Put it this way. Would you buy the cereal that is a plain white box with the word "Cereal" in black text on it, and the tagline "This is nourishing and provides the energy you need", or the one that is colourful, has a snappy name and advertises itself as "healthy" or "delicious"?

You people are such betas.

So you are a nice, decent, good looking guy with a good job, so.... join the queue. You're nothing special and you gotta be some special peacock to stand out and get a girl.

Fair enough. This girl has nice boobs. What else does she have to offer? It goes both ways. Stop being so submissive, this is why y'all are so thirsty

lmfao it doesn't go both ways. Women choose us, we don't choose them.

a 4/10 woman can just make a tinder account and have hundreds of chads to pick from, just like ordering pizza and a coke. You can't do the same thing with a 4/10 guy. A woman's sexual market value especially in the smart phone, internet, social media era has skyrocketed and they are more hypergamous than ever before. The only dudes who choose are celebrities, rich guys, and turbochads(legit good looking guys)

so no, it doesn't go both ways. Women are the choosers. ANd just because i acknowledge that they are the choosers doesn't mean guys should supplicate to them by being submissive. Stop assuming.

135 posted...

yes it is, especially if she's attractive. In order for a woman to consider your personality or other redeeming qualities, the woman has to be attracted first in a non platonic way. If she's not, you will just be in the friend zone.

You have this backassward idea that all women have this extreme standard for men where they only have interest in the 0.1% of men who are absolutely perfect in every conceivable way. I don't think you really understand how women, let alone how human beings, think if you believe this.

Same concept as I said above. If i'm not physically attracted to the woman, i can are less about her personality. I want both looks and personality and i'm sure i speak on behalf of men with actual standards and self respect.

And now you just went completely back on your previous point where I said how ridiculous the idea that "women have it easy" is, which you said was true.
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DracoSpire posted...

You have this backassward idea that all women have this extreme standard for men where they only have interest in the 0.1% of men who are absolutely perfect in every conceivable way. I don't think you really understand how women, let alone how human beings, think if you believe this.

lol what? stop putting words in my mouth, i didn't make any blanket statements. Please go

Most attractive women with plenty of suitors generally date equally good looking guys. (at least here in the united states). I rarely see mismatched couples contrary to what people say. If you are a 4/10, good luck dating a 9/10 because chances are, that 9/10 girl also has plenty of good looking suitors.

And now you just went completely back on your previous point where I said how ridiculous the idea that "women have it easy" is, which you said was true.

they do have it easy since their SMV is higher than guys. A woman won't have a shortage of men willing to sleep with her regardless of how ugly she is. I for one have standards though, but most guys generally don't.

135 posted...

mfao it doesn't go both ways. Women choose us, we don't choose them.

a 4/10 woman can just make a tinder account and have hundreds of chads to pick from, just like ordering pizza and a coke. You can't do the same thing with a 4/10 guy. A woman's sexual market value especially in the smart phone, internet, social media era has skyrocketed and they are more hypergamous than ever before. The only dudes who choose are celebrities, rich guys, and turbochads(legit good looking guys)

so no, it doesn't go both ways. Women are the choosers. ANd just because i acknowledge that they are the choosers doesn't mean guys should supplicate to them by being submissive. Stop assuming.

You can live your life thinking you're worth less than women and "developing yourself" so one of them may say "pikachu, I choose you!", and then develop anger and deep psychological issues if it doesn't happen often enough, like those incel weirdos, or you can be like "fuck this shit", live a happy life, enjoy every second of it and worry about getting fit, successful and all that jazz for you, and then choose a woman, because you can choose too. If you choose one and she says no, whatever, you move on with your life

Wow this topic blew up overnight, lol

Kolibri X posted...

https://imgur.com/f7DtB7K

this conveniently skips the part where the dude shoots up a school and a news outlet blames the girl for not dating him
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chill02 posted...

https://www.reddit.com/r/selfimprovement/

go there instead

None of that teaches you how to flirt though. As the second post says, being a decent guy with a decent job isn't enough.
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pinky0926 posted...

If only the red pill stuck to "looks and being financially solvent and having self respect are important, work on those".

There are a bunch of STEM nerds on bodybuilding.com who still can't get girls though. At a certain point the raw sexuality of your personality comes into play.

Focusing on your looks, money, status isn't really enough for dating as a dude. Guys also have to know how to attract and approach. It may come naturally to you, but it doesn't to a lot of guys.
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Aloner posted...

pinky0926 posted...

If only the red pill stuck to "looks and being financially solvent and having self respect are important, work on those".

There are a bunch of STEM nerds on bodybuilding.com who still can't get girls though. At a certain point the raw sexuality of your personality comes into play.

Focusing on your looks, money, status isn't really enough for dating as a dude. Guys also have to know how to attract and approach. It may come naturally to you, but it doesn't to a lot of guys.

that's what online dating is for

but seriously, no one is entitled to another person's body, so stop acting otherwise
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Aloner posted...

pinky0926 posted...

If only the red pill stuck to "looks and being financially solvent and having self respect are important, work on those".

There are a bunch of STEM nerds on bodybuilding.com who still can't get girls though. At a certain point the raw sexuality of your personality comes into play.

Focusing on your looks, money, status isn't really enough for dating as a dude. Guys also have to know how to attract and approach. It may come naturally to you, but it doesn't to a lot of guys.

It didn't come naturally to me at all. I had to work at it, and try and fail, and learn that failing is part of the whole thing, and all sorts of general life lessons along the way.

What I didn't have to do was learn dubious strategies designed to break down a woman's self esteem and treat all human relationships as adversarial by nature.
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averagejoel posted...

that's what online dating is for

Did you not read ITT how rare it is for guys to get attention online?

averagejoel posted...

but seriously, no one is entitled to another person's body, so stop acting otherwise

I don't know how you read "guys should do these things in order to be attractive to women" as "guys are entitled to women." The bolded part of your response makes zero sense.
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Aloner posted...

pinky0926 posted...

If only the red pill stuck to "looks and being financially solvent and having self respect are important, work on those".

There are a bunch of STEM nerds on bodybuilding.com who still can't get girls though. At a certain point the raw sexuality of your personality comes into play.

Focusing on your looks, money, status isn't really enough for dating as a dude. Guys also have to know how to attract and approach. It may come naturally to you, but it doesn't to a lot of guys.

Miscers on bodybuilding.com are very trollish. People with muscle tone, a STEM degree, and a pulse dont have any problems finding women on dating websites without ever cold approaching.
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Aloner posted...

Did you not read ITT how rare it is for guys to get attention online?

I'm not particularly good looking
I don't make a lot of money
I don't have particularly high status (though I don't really know what that one even really means for someone in my position lol)

but I've had what I would consider to be a good amount of success with online dating. I use tinder and I match with like 80% of the people I'm actually interested in. sometimes we meet in person and don't "click", but that's life. you literally just need to put yourself out there and things will happen. no need to be a creep about it
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Aloner posted...

None of that teaches you how to flirt though.

it teaches you how to improve yourself so you don't have to work as hard to find a date
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DavidWong posted...

Women want men who are interesting and offer them something, a stimulating relationship.

You're a nice guy? Got a job? Decent looking? Great, youre one of the 14 other guys who have those qualities trying to talk to the pretty girl.

What do you offer? Can you play the guitar? Do you have ambitions of being a CEO? Do you travel the world and want to share that with someone?

Put it this way. Would you buy the cereal that is a plain white box with the word "Cereal" in black text on it, and the tagline "This is nourishing and provides the energy you need", or the one that is colourful, has a snappy name and advertises itself as "healthy" or "delicious"?

What the fuck is this shit? I don't have any trouble getting with women and I'm not that great looking and pretty boring. You don't need a massive CV. Just entertain them ffs. If they have a good time with you that's all that really matters.
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ChainedRedone posted...

DavidWong posted...

Women want men who are interesting and offer them something, a stimulating relationship.

You're a nice guy? Got a job? Decent looking? Great, youre one of the 14 other guys who have those qualities trying to talk to the pretty girl.

What do you offer? Can you play the guitar? Do you have ambitions of being a CEO? Do you travel the world and want to share that with someone?

Put it this way. Would you buy the cereal that is a plain white box with the word "Cereal" in black text on it, and the tagline "This is nourishing and provides the energy you need", or the one that is colourful, has a snappy name and advertises itself as "healthy" or "delicious"?

What the fuck is this shit? I don't have any trouble getting with women and I'm not that great looking and pretty boring. You don't need a massive CV. Just entertain them ffs. If they have a good time with you that's all that really matters.

You've literally corroborated my point.

You have to entertain them. Offer them something. Entertainment is something.

What I'm saying is, just being a nice guy isn't enough
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chill02 posted...

Aloner posted...

None of that teaches you how to flirt though.

it teaches you how to improve yourself so you don't have to work as hard to find a date

Yes, but you'll almost always of course still have to put in social work, and that's where help with interactive skills comes in.
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Aloner posted...

chill02 posted...

Aloner posted...

None of that teaches you how to flirt though.

it teaches you how to improve yourself so you don't have to work as hard to find a date

Yes, but you'll almost always of course still have to put in social work, and that's where help with interactive skills comes in.

that can be accomplished with proper self improvement skills, not that incel redpill trash
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You're not helping the incels when you tell them "work in yourself so women will like you".

The incels will put work on themselves and expect women to stop rejecting them, which will be met with varying degrees of success. Plus it will drive the message that women are simply superficial, frivolous entities that don't want you (the incel) or you,they are just into the extra muscle you put on, the pounds you shed, the thousands your bank account increased and the better your social skills got (which is true, but still).

Incels need to be taught that they have to work to better themselves for themselves. They will be ultimately happier and have more friends once they're leaner, stronger, faster, smarter, wealthier and more stylish. They do it for themselves. If women happen to follow after all those improvements, then it's a nice bonus, and they may even play the role of the Chad that hits it and quits it in time!

This will help quench their anger and frustration

The only big complaint I have is that what a lot of women want in a man isn't something they can just change. Too short, no facial hair, not a deep voice, that sort of stuff. I know it's not only that, but when someone tells me what they're not interested, it's usually because I'm too short for them, which of course I can't change.

I'm in decent shape, have a good government job, and I have my own place. I'm just short and that puts a lot of women off about me.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

The only big complaint I have is that what a lot of women want in a man isn't something they can just change. Too short, no facial hair, not a deep voice, that sort of stuff. I know it's not only that, but when someone tells me what they're not interested, it's usually because I'm too short for them, which of course I can't change.

I'm in decent shape, have a good government job, and I have my own place. I'm just short and that puts a lot of women off about me.

As per this topic the CE advice would be "lol everybody has that bro, learn to be special, learn how to freeze things like subzero or change colors like a chameleon so you can get laid". I think that's BS

Yeah, you got dealt shit cards, and it sucks. You'll find somebody, don't worry. Try finding the sweet spot when they know their good looks will fade soon but they're still looking good, then you attack.

Also, since they have those sorts of standards, I don't understand why women are all into body positivity and get mad if men only want skinny, leggy blondes with big boobs, this game goes both ways right?

Did anyone else notice TC is a new account and this topic is a federal government honey pot investigating incels?
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Mango Sauce posted...

Did anyone else notice TC is a new account and this topic is a federal government honey pot investigating incels?

Good. Get those dangerous incels into a cell.

Mango Sauce posted...

Did anyone else notice TC is a new account and this topic is a federal government honey pot investigating incels?

Lol I only post on this account when my main is warned. I don't work for the feds I promise

Bad_Mojo posted...

The only big complaint I have is that what a lot of women want in a man isn't something they can just change. Too short, no facial hair, not a deep voice, that sort of stuff. I know it's not only that, but when someone tells me what they're not interested, it's usually because I'm too short for them, which of course I can't change.

I'm in decent shape, have a good government job, and I have my own place. I'm just short and that puts a lot of women off about me.

I'm 5'7. Never affected me.
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Look at all the nerds in this topic drawing up walkthroughs, guides and stats because they think human relationships work like a fucking RPG.

And yet women are the problem. smh.
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Darmik posted...

Look at all the nerds in this topic drawing up walkthroughs, guides and stats because they think human relationships work like a fucking RPG.

And yet women are the problem. smh.

This made me lol. So true.

"bro, this is the boss level, Becky. To beat this level (fuck her) you need to up your muscle stats and get the social skills gauntlet. Good luck man!"

DavidWong posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

The only big complaint I have is that what a lot of women want in a man isn't something they can just change. Too short, no facial hair, not a deep voice, that sort of stuff. I know it's not only that, but when someone tells me what they're not interested, it's usually because I'm too short for them, which of course I can't change.

I'm in decent shape, have a good government job, and I have my own place. I'm just short and that puts a lot of women off about me.

I'm 5'7. Never affected me.

I'm 5'4 and haven't been on a date in 14 years
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Bad_Mojo posted...

DavidWong posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

The only big complaint I have is that what a lot of women want in a man isn't something they can just change. Too short, no facial hair, not a deep voice, that sort of stuff. I know it's not only that, but when someone tells me what they're not interested, it's usually because I'm too short for them, which of course I can't change.

I'm in decent shape, have a good government job, and I have my own place. I'm just short and that puts a lot of women off about me.

I'm 5'7. Never affected me.

I'm 5'4 and haven't been on a date in 14 years

how old are you?

Shuto-uke posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

DavidWong posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

The only big complaint I have is that what a lot of women want in a man isn't something they can just change. Too short, no facial hair, not a deep voice, that sort of stuff. I know it's not only that, but when someone tells me what they're not interested, it's usually because I'm too short for them, which of course I can't change.

I'm in decent shape, have a good government job, and I have my own place. I'm just short and that puts a lot of women off about me.

I'm 5'7. Never affected me.

I'm 5'4 and haven't been on a date in 14 years

how old are you?

35

The last time I was dating someone was around the time I turned 21 since she got upset with me for going out with a couple of my friends when she couldn't get into the bar yet
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Bad_Mojo posted...

Shuto-uke posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

DavidWong posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

The only big complaint I have is that what a lot of women want in a man isn't something they can just change. Too short, no facial hair, not a deep voice, that sort of stuff. I know it's not only that, but when someone tells me what they're not interested, it's usually because I'm too short for them, which of course I can't change.

I'm in decent shape, have a good government job, and I have my own place. I'm just short and that puts a lot of women off about me.

I'm 5'7. Never affected me.

I'm 5'4 and haven't been on a date in 14 years

how old are you?

35

The last time I was dating someone was around the time I turned 21 since she got upset with me for going out with a couple of my friends when she couldn't get into the bar yet

Ok, have you tried dating websites? 30 yr old women would be especially angsty of getting old and single, and then they stop looking for the perfect unicorn they think they deserve because they used to get unlimited chad dick and start *gasp* looking at the actual person, some are especially desperate.

I'd say hit and quit a bunch of those :D

Saying it that if you're a red pill man you hate women is bullshit. I have literally been in a relationship or otherwise getting steady pussy since the age of 15, I'm 32 and engaged.

The red pill is simply the hard truth. I dont hate women because they want the best possible man and are hypergamous. It's in their nature, I want the most attractive female I can get. It's just a fact of life.
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prince_leo posted...

that's how they get you. start off telling you to focus on yourself, to eat better, to go to the gym, etc.
like you said, it's all about self-improvement
then they drop in some sexist bullshit

it's not right. yeah there are some shitty girls out there, but what they want you to do is to manipulate women and such. don't do that, if you focus on making yourself better you'll find an attractive woman you don't need to manipulate
not all hot women are like that

not really, I never went to the red pill cause i aint a shitty person but I went to the seduce part and all they do is make you not cut corners in improving yourself and their motto is "make her life better while you are there and after you leave if you happen to leave for any reason" which women in the subreddit agreed, even for ONS as long as both parties agree and both happened to had a great time their methods were approved by women from the couple of months i frequented the place, it helped me a ton with my soxial anxiety because the things that I did to improve myself made me a marginally less boring person and that is always a step in the right place.
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Omega Hunter posted...

Saying it that if you're a red pill man you hate women is bullshit. I have literally been in a relationship or otherwise getting steady pussy since the age of 15, I'm 32 and engaged.

The red pill is simply the hard truth. I dont hate women because they want the best possible man and are hypergamous. It's in their nature, I want the most attractive female I can get. It's just a fact of life.

Ditto. Also engaged.
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Shuto-uke posted...

Ok, have you tried dating websites? 30 yr old women would be especially angsty of getting old and single, and then they stop looking for the perfect unicorn they think they deserve because they used to get unlimited chad dick and start *gasp* looking at the actual person, some are especially desperate.

I'd say hit and quit a bunch of those :D

Yep, three of them. Match for about 4 months, and then I signed up for both Tinder and OKcupid and no one responds to me. And I've tried to open up the conversation a bunch of different ways. Asking to do something fun, to just coming right out and seeing if they want to just burn off some energy, and everything in between.

Nothing changes, but I'm not asking you guys for help. I'm beyond help. Even if someone were to say yes, I would just blow it on the date since I'm so unused to being around people and having to keep up with small talk.
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Fony posted...

Omega Hunter posted...

Saying it that if you're a red pill man you hate women is bullshit. I have literally been in a relationship or otherwise getting steady pussy since the age of 15, I'm 32 and engaged.

The red pill is simply the hard truth. I dont hate women because they want the best possible man and are hypergamous. It's in their nature, I want the most attractive female I can get. It's just a fact of life.

Ditto. Also engaged.

So both of you think that these girls only love you because they can't get anyone better? That's sad.
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