Poll of the Day > Why should we ban guns?

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Shouldn't we be focusing on banning murder instead?

One is in support of the other.

I mean, clearly adding more guns to the equation hasn't done much for you, so why not give the alternative a try?
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darkknight109 posted...

One is in support of the other.

I mean, clearly adding more guns to the equation hasn't done much for you, so why not give the alternative a try?

So, why is Kennesaw Georgia the murder capital of the United States, while Chicago is the safest place there is?

We should actually focus on banning ICOYAR

Banning guns is silly. Sensible gun control laws should at least be looked into, however. That a specific faction refuses to even acknowledge the issue is disheartening.
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waterdeepchu posted...

Banning guns is silly. Sensible gun control laws should at least be looked into, however. That a specific faction refuses to even acknowledge the issue is disheartening.

What is "sensible", and why have every attempt at making those only made things worse?

SkynyrdRocker posted...

We should actually focus on banning ICOYAR

The funny part is if psych evals were required before owning a firearm then I dont think ICO would actually be allowed to own one.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

darkknight109 posted...

One is in support of the other.

I mean, clearly adding more guns to the equation hasn't done much for you, so why not give the alternative a try?

So, why is Kennesaw Georgia the murder capital of the United States, while Chicago is the safest place there is?

Come on, you're not seriously going to make this argument, are you?

The US doesn't have any meaningful borders between its gun-permissive areas and its gun-restrictive areas. It is pathetically easy for anyone to skirt local gun laws given that the national ones are shockingly lax.

Plus, since you're relying on local data, would you care to explain why states with strict gun laws have significantly fewer gun crimes than states with loose gun laws?

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2673375?redirect=true

TheWorstPoster posted...

What is "sensible", and why have every attempt at making those only made things worse?

Because this isn't true?

https://www.sciencealert.com/scientific-evidence-that-stricter-gun-control-works-saves-lives
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darkknight109 posted...

Because this isn't true?

https://www.sciencealert.com/scientific-evidence-that-stricter-gun-control-works-saves-lives

Here is a complete rebuttal to that garbage you posted.

https://heyjackass.com/

It's a website on the crime in Chicago.

Of course your response is just a website and no actual intellectual argument.
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Cacciato posted...

Of course your response is just a website and no actual intellectual argument.

You mean with up-to-date crime statistics in Chicago?

TheWorstPoster posted...

Cacciato posted...

Of course your response is just a website and no actual intellectual argument.

You mean with up-to-date crime statistics in Chicago?

You mean with the argument "here, figure it out for yourself because I'm too stupid to make an educated analysis and present that to you as an actual rebuttal".

Especially when the other guy preemptively called you out with

The US doesn't have any meaningful borders between its gun-permissive areas and its gun-restrictive areas. It is pathetically easy for anyone to skirt local gun laws given that the national ones are shockingly lax.

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TheWorstPoster posted...

darkknight109 posted...

Because this isn't true?

https://www.sciencealert.com/scientific-evidence-that-stricter-gun-control-works-saves-lives

Here is a complete rebuttal to that garbage you posted.

https://heyjackass.com/

It's a website on the crime in Chicago.

Hey, look everyone! It's someone who doesn't know what an outlier is!
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You can treat outliers as representative samples if they support your position. Everyone knows this.
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I mean, banning guns seems logical. But it's not like all, or even most, guns will just disappear... People know how to make them. People have them hidden all over the place. There are a good amount either not registered. Or not with the person they're register to. And even if we started banning guns, the good effects probably wouldn't take place in out lives. Maybe not in out children's lives. Mostly because guns will still be around for a good long time, even after we ban them... I'm not saying I'm against banning guns, or for banning guns. Just wanting to say that, I guess....
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Where does the right get the idea that banning and restricting are the same thing?
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gguirao posted...

Where does the right get the idea that banning and restricting are the same thing?

So then be specific about what you want. Instead of vague terminology, like "common sense gun control" don't further the debate at all. Say specifically what it is you want.

BeerOnTap posted...

gguirao posted...

Where does the right get the idea that banning and restricting are the same thing?

So then be specific about what you want. Instead of vague terminology, like "common sense gun control" don't further the debate at all. Say specifically what it is you want.

Right. That's why people say, "We want stricter gun laws" or "We want restrictions on who can own firearms." It's just the right twisting those words to make it sound like no one can or should have guns.
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When I was a kid, in the 1950s, we had cap guns, water guns, cork guns, BB guns. We ran all over the neighborhood, playing G-men, police, cowboys, soldiers, and nobody thought anything of it. Good guys had guns, guns were used for good, to protect the innocent. Our fathers and uncles won WWII and ended the threat of Hitler and Tojo, with guns.

Now, 2018, THE AGE OF STUPID, nobody wants their kids playing with guns, we have people committing suicide-by-cop threatening police with play guns, we have TV news glamorizing school shootings, we have toddlers shooting themselves and siblings, we have gang warfare and drive-by shootings.

Obviously we need more laws. Or maybe to actually enforce a few that we already have. Or for the media to stop sensationalizing. Or to do the kind of gun education we picked up from family members and popular culture in the 1950s.
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'Sensible' gun control laws suggested by the left are short sighted and discriminatory.

Restrict gun purchases to those with mental illness seems to be a common suggestion. Is that not discrimination? Where do you draw the line as far as mental illness? Schizophrenia? Bipolar? OCD?

Using government watch lists to prevent gun ownership also has the whole issue over whether one has any legal ability to dispute being placed on a government watch list (they don't), and also whether the public would be privy to who is on said watch list restricting freedoms, which for all we know would be used to prevent those of different ethnic groups or religious backgrounds from purchasing firearms. Islamic travel ban anyone? What's to stop Trump from secretly banning Muslims from purchasing firearms? You have to be careful with what powers you wish to grant to the government.
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America has a weird obsession with guns. It's honestly pretty disturbing at how insecure people seem about the "what ifs" leading to them possibly requiring a firearm someday while problems that are happening, like corporations strip-mining the country as the infrastructure crumbles, go largely ignored. It feels like the gun debate is just a convenient issue to distract people from the nation getting bled dry.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

America has a weird obsession with guns. It's honestly pretty disturbing at how insecure people seem about the "what ifs" leading to them possibly requiring a firearm someday while problems that are happening, like corporations strip-mining the country as the infrastructure crumbles, go largely ignored. It feels like the gun debate is just a convenient issue to distract people from the nation getting bled dry.

You DO realize, that our "weird obsession" was the ONLY reason why Japan never invaded us during World War 2? They were terrified over the thought that there would be "a rifle sticking out from every bush".

They only occupied some uninhabited Aleutian islands as their extent.

TheWorstPoster posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

America has a weird obsession with guns. It's honestly pretty disturbing at how insecure people seem about the "what ifs" leading to them possibly requiring a firearm someday while problems that are happening, like corporations strip-mining the country as the infrastructure crumbles, go largely ignored. It feels like the gun debate is just a convenient issue to distract people from the nation getting bled dry.

You DO realize, that our "weird obsession" was the ONLY reason why Japan never invaded us during World War 2? They were terrified over the thought that there would be "a rifle sticking out from every bush".

They only occupied some uninhabited Aleutian islands as their extent.

[citation needed]
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Trying to ban guns in the US is a classic case of trying to apply a band aid to a gunshot wound. There is a more serious issue at hand and it's more complex than guns being available to the public. The boston bombing and various truck attacks have already shown that crazy people are willing to use weapons other than guns to kill lots of people at once

TheWorstPoster posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

America has a weird obsession with guns. It's honestly pretty disturbing at how insecure people seem about the "what ifs" leading to them possibly requiring a firearm someday while problems that are happening, like corporations strip-mining the country as the infrastructure crumbles, go largely ignored. It feels like the gun debate is just a convenient issue to distract people from the nation getting bled dry.

You DO realize, that our "weird obsession" was the ONLY reason why Japan never invaded us during World War 2? They were terrified over the thought that there would be "a rifle sticking out from every bush".

They only occupied some uninhabited Aleutian islands as their extent.

How fucking delusional are you that you think that was the only reason?
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TheWorstPoster posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

America has a weird obsession with guns. It's honestly pretty disturbing at how insecure people seem about the "what ifs" leading to them possibly requiring a firearm someday while problems that are happening, like corporations strip-mining the country as the infrastructure crumbles, go largely ignored. It feels like the gun debate is just a convenient issue to distract people from the nation getting bled dry.

You DO realize, that our "weird obsession" was the ONLY reason why Japan never invaded us during World War 2? They were terrified over the thought that there would be "a rifle sticking out from every bush".

They only occupied some uninhabited Aleutian islands as their extent.

Wrong again. The "rifle behind every blade of grass" quote is a long-debunked myth.

https://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/misquoting-yamamoto/

I'm not sure what's more disheartening - your stunning lack of history knowledge (you might want to read up on what exactly led to war between America and Japan, because America's domestic gun laws had absolutely fuck all to do with it) or the way you substitute zealotry for facts and rationale with every post.
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Because the next generation is barely responsible enough to handle nail clippers.

gguirao posted...

Where does the right get the idea that banning and restricting are the same thing?

Because the government regulates automatic guns allowing you to register an old reciever to get one. They say you just send them cash and forms and they'll approve it but instead they take your money and tell you to fuck off.
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gguirao posted...

Where does the right get the idea that banning and restricting are the same thing?

Because when politicians get involved, it usually does become the same thing. If I still lived in that shithole called New York, my .22 plinker would be considered an "assault rifle" and therefore, illegal to own. I have no problem with things like background checks and closing those alleged "gun show loopholes" but restricting certain firearms because of bullshit cosmetics like NY did or because it just so happens to be the weapon of choice for school shooters is ridiculous.

Start with some parental accountability (I heard the Sante Fe shooter's father left his firearms unsecured), armed resource officers and maybe the media can stop obsessing over the shooters like they love to do.
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Cacciato posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

America has a weird obsession with guns. It's honestly pretty disturbing at how insecure people seem about the "what ifs" leading to them possibly requiring a firearm someday while problems that are happening, like corporations strip-mining the country as the infrastructure crumbles, go largely ignored. It feels like the gun debate is just a convenient issue to distract people from the nation getting bled dry.

You DO realize, that our "weird obsession" was the ONLY reason why Japan never invaded us during World War 2? They were terrified over the thought that there would be "a rifle sticking out from every bush".

They only occupied some uninhabited Aleutian islands as their extent.

How fucking delusional are you that you think that was the only reason?

He's better off distracted here, than turning his parents into furniture, ok?
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