Poll of the Day > Do you believe that abortion is murder?

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TheCyborgNinja 05/26/18 11:37:26 PM #51:	I think past a point it needs to be illegal (as it currently is), and should only be allowed if the mother was raped or is at risk of dying during childbirth. Otherwise, too bad. Put it up for adoption and let a gay couple have it or something. I do support mandatory sterilization for certain people though. For instance, I think in order to collect welfare, it should be mandatory, as well as if you've ever had children put in foster care or born with objectively irresponsible defects (like FAS). --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:902046604] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote>I think past a point it needs to be illegal (as it currently is), and should only be allowed if the mother was raped or is at risk of dying during childbirth. Otherwise, too bad. Put it up for adoption and let a gay couple have it or something. I do support mandatory sterilization for certain people though. For instance, I think in order to collect welfare, it should be mandatory, as well as if you've ever had children put in foster care or born with objectively irresponsible defects (like FAS).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrZAP17 05/27/18 4:02:27 AM #52:	Revelation34 posted... MrZAP17 posted... Nah. You have to be born (or hatched?) to be alive. We don't add nine (or four or five) months to people's ages. Frankly if I did think they were alive I would have to be anti-choice because ultimately I care more about preventing deaths than I do about people's independence. It's why I'm against assisted suicide too. But fetuses don't matter. So you're saying fetuses are undead? I'm saying it's not a fully formed being. At best it's a parasite entirely dependent on the nutrients that the mother intakes, so maybe you could argue it's an extension of the mother, like an arm. But I don't support arm rights either, and the fetus isn't even a helpful ambulatory mechanism that would be a pain to lose. Hell, if I wanted to I could make the argument that even after birth up to a few months it wouldn't really matter but that's more shaky and doesn't have the clean separation of before and after birth, so for classification purposes that's easier. BADoglick posted... Those on the wrong side of history often tend to dehumanize the victims. Again, I'm legally pro choice, despite my moral objections, but the whole 'it's just tissue' argument to me is questionable. lol. You're going to talk to me about dehumanizing? I don't care if it's not human. I would object to killing a kangaroo or a spider-monkey, and I'm not even a fan of killing plants. It frustrates me to no end that I require living organisms of any kind to be destroyed for my continued survival. But there's a distinction between not human and not alive. I don't care about people who are brain-dead but kept on life-support either, because they're already dead. Sad but a waste of resources. Let's focus on the living. The only thing I care about is keeping people currently alive from dying. The only thing. It's what my entire morality is built on. --- "The truth is rarely pure and never simple." <cite>MrZAP17 posted [p:902054888] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MrZAP17 posted...</cite> <quote>Nah. You have to be born (or hatched?) to be alive. We don't add nine (or four or five) months to people's ages. Frankly if I did think they were alive I would have to be anti-choice because ultimately I care more about preventing deaths than I do about people's independence. It's why I'm against assisted suicide too. But fetuses don't matter.</quote> So you're saying fetuses are undead?</quote> I'm saying it's not a fully formed being. At best it's a parasite entirely dependent on the nutrients that the mother intakes, so maybe you could argue it's an extension of the mother, like an arm. But I don't support arm rights either, and the fetus isn't even a helpful ambulatory mechanism that would be a pain to lose. Hell, if I wanted to I could make the argument that even after birth up to a few months it wouldn't really matter but that's more shaky and doesn't have the clean separation of before and after birth, so for classification purposes that's easier. <cite>BADoglick posted...</cite> <quote> Those on the wrong side of history often tend to dehumanize the victims. Again, I'm legally pro choice, despite my moral objections, but the whole 'it's just tissue' argument to me is questionable.</quote> lol. You're going to talk to me about dehumanizing? I don't care if it's not human. I would object to killing a kangaroo or a spider-monkey, and I'm not even a fan of killing plants. It frustrates me to no end that I require living organisms of any kind to be destroyed for my continued survival. But there's a distinction between not human and not alive. I don't care about people who are brain-dead but kept on life-support either, because they're already dead. Sad but a waste of resources. Let's focus on the living. The only thing I care about is keeping people currently alive from dying. The only thing. It's what my entire morality is built on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 05/27/18 4:10:17 AM #53:	TheCyborgNinja posted... I think past a point it needs to be illegal (as it currently is), and should only be allowed if the mother was raped or is at risk of dying during childbirth. Otherwise, too bad. Put it up for adoption and let a gay couple have it or something. I do support mandatory sterilization for certain people though. For instance, I think in order to collect welfare, it should be mandatory, as well as if you've ever had children put in foster care or born with objectively irresponsible defects (like FAS). Women should be allowed to abort no matter what. It's their body. MrZAP17 posted... I'm saying it's not a fully formed being. At best it's a parasite entirely dependent on the nutrients that the mother intakes, so maybe you could argue it's an extension of the mother, like an arm. But I don't support arm rights either, and the fetus isn't even a helpful ambulatory mechanism that would be a pain to lose. Hell, if I wanted to I could make the argument that even after birth up to a few months it wouldn't really matter but that's more shaky and doesn't have the clean separation of before and after birth, so for classification purposes that's easier. By definition a fetus is a parasite. Parasites are alive. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:902055026] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote>I think past a point it needs to be illegal (as it currently is), and should only be allowed if the mother was raped or is at risk of dying during childbirth. Otherwise, too bad. Put it up for adoption and let a gay couple have it or something. I do support mandatory sterilization for certain people though. For instance, I think in order to collect welfare, it should be mandatory, as well as if you've ever had children put in foster care or born with objectively irresponsible defects (like FAS).</quote> Women should be allowed to abort no matter what. It's their body. <cite>MrZAP17 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm saying it's not a fully formed being. At best it's a parasite entirely dependent on the nutrients that the mother intakes, so maybe you could argue it's an extension of the mother, like an arm. But I don't support arm rights either, and the fetus isn't even a helpful ambulatory mechanism that would be a pain to lose. Hell, if I wanted to I could make the argument that even after birth up to a few months it wouldn't really matter but that's more shaky and doesn't have the clean separation of before and after birth, so for classification purposes that's easier.</quote> By definition a fetus is a parasite. Parasites are alive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 05/27/18 4:12:27 AM #54:	Revelation34 posted... Women should be allowed to abort no matter what. It's their body. So you're proposing that women should have castle doctrine in their womb and be allowed to kill any and all tresspassers? --- Scloud posted... Its like he wants two things at the same time. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:902055063] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Women should be allowed to abort no matter what. It's their body.</quote> So you're proposing that women should have castle doctrine in their womb and be allowed to kill any and all tresspassers?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 05/27/18 4:15:38 AM #55:	Kyuubi4269 posted... So you're proposing that women should have castle doctrine in their womb and be allowed to kill any and all tresspassers? That's called a vagina dentata. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:902055113] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>So you're proposing that women should have castle doctrine in their womb and be allowed to kill any and all tresspassers?</quote> That's called a vagina dentata.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Entity13 05/27/18 4:32:40 AM #56:	When it's early enough, such as the first few months? No more than having a period. For the few months after that? Yeah, you're ending a life, but then you have life's gray area where you have to weigh the one life against others, as in whether or not carrying the baby to term would negatively impact the mother's physical health (note that I did not say social, mental, emotional, or spiritual well-being, though a case MIGHT be made with mental health depending on the circumstance). --- http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb179/EntityXIII/entityfn7.jpg <cite>Entity13 posted [p:902055385] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote>When it's early enough, such as the first few months? No more than having a period. For the few months after that? Yeah, you're ending a life, but then you have life's gray area where you have to weigh the one life against others, as in whether or not carrying the baby to term would negatively impact the mother's physical health (note that I did not say social, mental, emotional, or spiritual well-being, though a case MIGHT be made with mental health depending on the circumstance).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
waterdeepchu 05/27/18 4:48:54 AM #57:	My real response isn't one of the options: "It's complicated." --- Friend Code: 2707-2146-0610 Ditto, Kecleon, Lillipup <cite>waterdeepchu posted [p:902055625] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote>My real response isn't one of the options: "It's complicated."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ocean6 05/27/18 5:06:58 AM #58:	If you don't want to take the responsibility, then take care of your dck. --- Another helpless sacrifice.. <cite>Ocean6 posted [p:902055917] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote>If you don't want to take the responsibility, then take care of your dck.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/27/18 5:11:25 AM #59:	The concept of Body Autonomy means that anything in your uterus exists entirely at your grace. It's trespassing, unless it has your permission to be there. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:902055976] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote>The concept of Body Autonomy means that anything in your uterus exists entirely at your grace. It's trespassing, unless it has your permission to be there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxZorin007 05/29/18 12:18:03 PM #60:	Abortion is murder Don't want a pregnancy, don't have sex! --- SUPER SMASH BROS. Adventure above and beyond all other bonds! <cite>MaxZorin007 posted [p:902179596] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote>Abortion is murder Don't want a pregnancy, don't have sex!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 05/29/18 12:34:40 PM #61:	Human life only has value starting at consciousness, IMO. I still don't think abortion should be used willy-nilly though. Outside of rape or health risks (mother or baby), I'm generally opposed. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:902180453] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote>Human life only has value starting at consciousness, IMO. I still don't think abortion should be used willy-nilly though. Outside of rape or health risks (mother or baby), I'm generally opposed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 05/29/18 12:35:50 PM #62:	MaxZorin007 posted... Abortion is murder Don't want a pregnancy, don't have sex! By definition abortion can't be murder. Also rape. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:902180515] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is murder Don't want a pregnancy, don't have sex!</quote> By definition abortion can't be murder. Also rape.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxZorin007 05/29/18 12:47:18 PM #63:	Revelation34 posted... MaxZorin007 posted... Abortion is murder Don't want a pregnancy, don't have sex! By definition abortion can't be murder. Also rape. WHy do you pro-murder always come with the "rape" argument? Everybody knows pro-lifers are for abortion in cases of rape. --- SUPER SMASH BROS. Adventure above and beyond all other bonds! <cite>MaxZorin007 posted [p:902181175] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is murder Don't want a pregnancy, don't have sex!</quote> By definition abortion can't be murder. Also rape.</quote> WHy do you pro-murder always come with the "rape" argument? Everybody knows pro-lifers are for abortion in cases of rape.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 05/29/18 12:52:16 PM #64:	If your not prepared to take care of a new being, ensure it does not suffer etc, then abort it asap. Population control should be our primary goal at this point, and any children should be cherished and given a good life. --- "did you steal my f***in signature" Helly <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:902181441] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote>If your not prepared to take care of a new being, ensure it does not suffer etc, then abort it asap. Population control should be our primary goal at this point, and any children should be cherished and given a good life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
aurick79 05/29/18 12:54:54 PM #65:	MaxZorin007 posted... Revelation34 posted... MaxZorin007 posted... Abortion is murder Don't want a pregnancy, don't have sex! By definition abortion can't be murder. Also rape. WHy do you pro-murder always come with the "rape" argument? Everybody knows pro-lifers are for abortion in cases of rape. Because they aren't - In Ohio they recently introduced a bill even in the cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in danger: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/20/595211551/ohio-gop-introduces-bill-to-ban-abortion --- 3DS FC Scott 0533-5781-3558 Pokemon: Pidgey, Woobat, Rufflet <cite>aurick79 posted [p:902181578] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is murder Don't want a pregnancy, don't have sex!</quote> By definition abortion can't be murder. Also rape.</quote> WHy do you pro-murder always come with the "rape" argument? Everybody knows pro-lifers are for abortion in cases of rape.</quote> Because they aren't - In Ohio they recently introduced a bill even in the cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in danger: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/20/595211551/ohio-gop-introduces-bill-to-ban-abortion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 05/29/18 1:01:49 PM #66:	MaxZorin007 posted... WHy do you pro-murder always come with the "rape" argument? Everybody knows pro-lifers are for abortion in cases of rape. I don't think you even know what murder means. Also that second sentence is bullshit. aurick79 posted... Because they aren't - In Ohio they recently introduced a bill even in the cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in danger: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/20/595211551/ohio-gop-introduces-bill-to-ban-abortion That will get thrown out since abortion is federally legal. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:902181927] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote>WHy do you pro-murder always come with the "rape" argument? Everybody knows pro-lifers are for abortion in cases of rape.</quote> I don't think you even know what murder means. Also that second sentence is bullshit. <cite>aurick79 posted...</cite> <quote>Because they aren't - In Ohio they recently introduced a bill even in the cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in danger: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/20/595211551/ohio-gop-introduces-bill-to-ban-abortion</quote> That will get thrown out since abortion is federally legal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
aurick79 05/29/18 1:04:01 PM #67:	Revelation34 posted... aurick79 posted... Because they aren't - In Ohio they recently introduced a bill even in the cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in danger: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/20/595211551/ohio-gop-introduces-bill-to-ban-abortion That will get thrown out since abortion is federally legal. The point was more that not all pro-lifers support abortion in cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in danger, not speaking to how far the bill will go itself. --- 3DS FC Scott 0533-5781-3558 Pokemon: Pidgey, Woobat, Rufflet <cite>aurick79 posted [p:902182032] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>aurick79 posted...</cite> <quote>Because they aren't - In Ohio they recently introduced a bill even in the cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in danger: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/20/595211551/ohio-gop-introduces-bill-to-ban-abortion</quote> That will get thrown out since abortion is federally legal.</quote> The point was more that not all pro-lifers support abortion in cases of rape, incest, or when the mother's life is in danger, not speaking to how far the bill will go itself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kungfu Kenobi 05/29/18 1:06:15 PM #68:	wolfy42 posted... Population control should be our primary goal at this point Not in any country that's having this discussion. Developed nations are below replacement levels. --- This album is not available to the public. Even if it were, you wouldn't wanna listen to it! <cite>Kungfu Kenobi posted [p:902182141] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>Population control should be our primary goal at this point</quote> Not in any country that's having this discussion. Developed nations are below replacement levels.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/29/18 1:06:52 PM #69:	Kungfu Kenobi posted... wolfy42 posted... Population control should be our primary goal at this point Not in any country that's having this discussion. Developed nations are below replacement levels. So... goal achieved? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:902182172] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kungfu Kenobi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>Population control should be our primary goal at this point</quote> Not in any country that's having this discussion. Developed nations are below replacement levels.</quote> So... goal achieved?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarefreeDude 05/29/18 1:14:24 PM #70:	I feel the discussion on whether or not abortion is murder is a pointless one; different people will always have different views. A better argument should be, "Is it abusive to carry a child to term if you have no means to care for said child?" Those who are "pro life" don't care what happens to the baby after it's born. all they care is that the baby is born. That baby could be born into abuse, drugs, poverty, and a horrible life, but the "pro life" crowd really don't care. --- 3DS friend code: 5112-3770-6561 IGN: Chris Rock Safari: Pupitar, Rhydon, dwebble <cite>CarefreeDude posted [p:902182570] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote>I feel the discussion on whether or not abortion is murder is a pointless one; different people will always have different views. A better argument should be, "Is it abusive to carry a child to term if you have no means to care for said child?" Those who are "pro life" don't care what happens to the baby after it's born. all they care is that the baby is born. That baby could be born into abuse, drugs, poverty, and a horrible life, but the "pro life" crowd really don't care.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxZorin007 05/29/18 1:26:14 PM #71:	CarefreeDude posted... I feel the discussion on whether or not abortion is murder is a pointless one; different people will always have different views. A better argument should be, "Is it abusive to carry a child to term if you have no means to care for said child?" Those who are "pro life" don't care what happens to the baby after it's born. all they care is that the baby is born. That baby could be born into abuse, drugs, poverty, and a horrible life, but the "pro life" crowd really don't care. Then why the fuck don't they put the baby for adoption? Weak argument --- SUPER SMASH BROS. Adventure above and beyond all other bonds! <cite>MaxZorin007 posted [p:902183217] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarefreeDude posted...</cite> <quote>I feel the discussion on whether or not abortion is murder is a pointless one; different people will always have different views. A better argument should be, "Is it abusive to carry a child to term if you have no means to care for said child?" Those who are "pro life" don't care what happens to the baby after it's born. all they care is that the baby is born. That baby could be born into abuse, drugs, poverty, and a horrible life, but the "pro life" crowd really don't care.</quote> Then why the fuck don't they put the baby for adoption? Weak argument</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarefreeDude 05/29/18 1:27:48 PM #72:	MaxZorin007 posted... CarefreeDude posted... I feel the discussion on whether or not abortion is murder is a pointless one; different people will always have different views. A better argument should be, "Is it abusive to carry a child to term if you have no means to care for said child?" Those who are "pro life" don't care what happens to the baby after it's born. all they care is that the baby is born. That baby could be born into abuse, drugs, poverty, and a horrible life, but the "pro life" crowd really don't care. Then why the fuck don't they put the baby for adoption? Weak argument You don't know how difficult it is to actually put a baby up for adoption. --- 3DS friend code: 5112-3770-6561 IGN: Chris Rock Safari: Pupitar, Rhydon, dwebble <cite>CarefreeDude posted [p:902183298] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CarefreeDude posted...</cite> <quote>I feel the discussion on whether or not abortion is murder is a pointless one; different people will always have different views. A better argument should be, "Is it abusive to carry a child to term if you have no means to care for said child?" Those who are "pro life" don't care what happens to the baby after it's born. all they care is that the baby is born. That baby could be born into abuse, drugs, poverty, and a horrible life, but the "pro life" crowd really don't care.</quote> Then why the fuck don't they put the baby for adoption? Weak argument</quote> You don't know how difficult it is to actually put a baby up for adoption.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 05/29/18 1:28:25 PM #73:	MaxZorin007 posted... CarefreeDude posted... I feel the discussion on whether or not abortion is murder is a pointless one; different people will always have different views. A better argument should be, "Is it abusive to carry a child to term if you have no means to care for said child?" Those who are "pro life" don't care what happens to the baby after it's born. all they care is that the baby is born. That baby could be born into abuse, drugs, poverty, and a horrible life, but the "pro life" crowd really don't care. Then why the fuck don't they put the baby for adoption? Weak argument https://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/illinois-mother-back-adopted-child-fetal-alcohol-spectrum/story?id=11702840 <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:902183332] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CarefreeDude posted...</cite> <quote>I feel the discussion on whether or not abortion is murder is a pointless one; different people will always have different views. A better argument should be, "Is it abusive to carry a child to term if you have no means to care for said child?" Those who are "pro life" don't care what happens to the baby after it's born. all they care is that the baby is born. That baby could be born into abuse, drugs, poverty, and a horrible life, but the "pro life" crowd really don't care.</quote> Then why the fuck don't they put the baby for adoption? Weak argument</quote> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/illinois-mother-back-adopted-child-fetal-alcohol-spectrum/story?id=11702840</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarefreeDude 05/29/18 1:39:05 PM #74:	Questionmarktarius posted... MaxZorin007 posted... CarefreeDude posted... I feel the discussion on whether or not abortion is murder is a pointless one; different people will always have different views. A better argument should be, "Is it abusive to carry a child to term if you have no means to care for said child?" Those who are "pro life" don't care what happens to the baby after it's born. all they care is that the baby is born. That baby could be born into abuse, drugs, poverty, and a horrible life, but the "pro life" crowd really don't care. Then why the fuck don't they put the baby for adoption? Weak argument https://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/illinois-mother-back-adopted-child-fetal-alcohol-spectrum/story?id=11702840 A friend of mine works for the state of washington, as a case worker who provides assistance to families with children like this. It's really sad, a lot of children are covered in feces and piss, or some of them are hyper violent and the parents are afraid of the children. My friend was even assaulted by an oversized 13 year old with severe anger issues . Many of these children have no future, and will just end up homeless and possibly kill people in the future, or live a life of even more abuse. Many of these mental or developmental issues can be discovered before birth. --- 3DS friend code: 5112-3770-6561 IGN: Chris Rock Safari: Pupitar, Rhydon, dwebble <cite>CarefreeDude posted [p:902183850] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CarefreeDude posted...</cite> <quote>I feel the discussion on whether or not abortion is murder is a pointless one; different people will always have different views. A better argument should be, "Is it abusive to carry a child to term if you have no means to care for said child?" Those who are "pro life" don't care what happens to the baby after it's born. all they care is that the baby is born. That baby could be born into abuse, drugs, poverty, and a horrible life, but the "pro life" crowd really don't care.</quote> Then why the fuck don't they put the baby for adoption? Weak argument</quote> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/illinois-mother-back-adopted-child-fetal-alcohol-spectrum/story?id=11702840</quote> A friend of mine works for the state of washington, as a case worker who provides assistance to families with children like this. It's really sad, a lot of children are covered in feces and piss, or some of them are hyper violent and the parents are afraid of the children. My friend was even assaulted by an oversized 13 year old with severe anger issues . Many of these children have no future, and will just end up homeless and possibly kill people in the future, or live a life of even more abuse. Many of these mental or developmental issues can be discovered before birth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxZorin007 05/29/18 1:46:13 PM #75:	Then don't fucking have sex. You don't need to do vaginal sex. Foot/handjobs, anal and oral sex are alternatives. --- SUPER SMASH BROS. Adventure above and beyond all other bonds! <cite>MaxZorin007 posted [p:902184215] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote>Then don't fucking have sex. You don't need to do vaginal sex. Foot/handjobs, anal and oral sex are alternatives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarefreeDude 05/29/18 1:48:31 PM #76:	MaxZorin007 posted... Then don't fucking have sex. You don't need to do vaginal sex. Foot/handjobs, anal and oral sex are alternatives. Just because you're not getting laid, doesn't mean the rest of us have to stop. --- 3DS friend code: 5112-3770-6561 IGN: Chris Rock Safari: Pupitar, Rhydon, dwebble <cite>CarefreeDude posted [p:902184328] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote>Then don't fucking have sex. You don't need to do vaginal sex. Foot/handjobs, anal and oral sex are alternatives.</quote> Just because you're not getting laid, doesn't mean the rest of us have to stop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 05/29/18 2:06:40 PM #77:	CarefreeDude posted... You don't know how difficult it is to actually put a baby up for adoption. Just dump it somewhere and don't be an ass and actually report it anonymously or whatever so its found. MaxZorin007 posted... Then don't fucking have sex. You don't need to do vaginal sex. Foot/handjobs, anal and oral sex are alternatives. All of those are forbidden by the bible. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:902185414] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarefreeDude posted...</cite> <quote> You don't know how difficult it is to actually put a baby up for adoption.</quote> Just dump it somewhere and don't be an ass and actually report it anonymously or whatever so its found. <cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote>Then don't fucking have sex. You don't need to do vaginal sex. Foot/handjobs, anal and oral sex are alternatives.</quote> All of those are forbidden by the bible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarefreeDude 05/29/18 2:11:22 PM #78:	Revelation34 posted... CarefreeDude posted... You don't know how difficult it is to actually put a baby up for adoption. Just dump it somewhere and don't be an ass and actually report it anonymously or whatever so its found. MaxZorin007 posted... Then don't fucking have sex. You don't need to do vaginal sex. Foot/handjobs, anal and oral sex are alternatives. All of those are forbidden by the bible. All the more reason to do them! --- 3DS friend code: 5112-3770-6561 IGN: Chris Rock Safari: Pupitar, Rhydon, dwebble <cite>CarefreeDude posted [p:902185677] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CarefreeDude posted...</cite> <quote> You don't know how difficult it is to actually put a baby up for adoption.</quote> Just dump it somewhere and don't be an ass and actually report it anonymously or whatever so its found. <cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote>Then don't fucking have sex. You don't need to do vaginal sex. Foot/handjobs, anal and oral sex are alternatives.</quote> All of those are forbidden by the bible.</quote> All the more reason to do them!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxZorin007 05/29/18 5:21:05 PM #79:	Revelation34 posted... CarefreeDude posted... You don't know how difficult it is to actually put a baby up for adoption. Just dump it somewhere and don't be an ass and actually report it anonymously or whatever so its found. MaxZorin007 posted... Then don't fucking have sex. You don't need to do vaginal sex. Foot/handjobs, anal and oral sex are alternatives. All of those are forbidden by the bible. Then don't believe in the bible. --- SUPER SMASH BROS. Adventure above and beyond all other bonds! <cite>MaxZorin007 posted [p:902197040] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CarefreeDude posted...</cite> <quote> You don't know how difficult it is to actually put a baby up for adoption.</quote> Just dump it somewhere and don't be an ass and actually report it anonymously or whatever so its found. <cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote>Then don't fucking have sex. You don't need to do vaginal sex. Foot/handjobs, anal and oral sex are alternatives.</quote> All of those are forbidden by the bible.</quote> Then don't believe in the bible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 05/29/18 5:43:01 PM #80:	MaxZorin007 posted... Then don't believe in the bible. But you're the one claiming abortion is murder. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:902198387] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote>Then don't believe in the bible.</quote> But you're the one claiming abortion is murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AirJordan2345 05/29/18 5:43:38 PM #81:	Revelation34 posted... MaxZorin007 posted... Then don't believe in the bible. But you're the one claiming abortion is murder. he did? <cite>AirJordan2345 posted [p:902198417] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote>Then don't believe in the bible.</quote> But you're the one claiming abortion is murder.</quote> he did?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 05/29/18 6:14:47 PM #82:	AirJordan2345 posted... he did? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76612613/902179596 --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:902200284] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>AirJordan2345 posted...</cite> <quote>he did?</quote> https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76612613/902179596</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxZorin007 05/29/18 6:35:41 PM #83:	Revelation34 posted... AirJordan2345 posted... he did? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76612613/902179596 Don't have vaginal sex if you don't want a pregnancy --- SUPER SMASH BROS. Adventure above and beyond all other bonds! <cite>MaxZorin007 posted [p:902201518] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AirJordan2345 posted...</cite> <quote>he did?</quote> https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76612613/902179596</quote> Don't have vaginal sex if you don't want a pregnancy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AirJordan2345 05/29/18 6:36:40 PM #84:	MaxZorin007 posted... Revelation34 posted... AirJordan2345 posted... he did? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76612613/902179596 Don't have vaginal sex if you don't want a pregnancy you really believe that? yeah, so what if they do? <cite>AirJordan2345 posted [p:902201567] in Do you bel... [t:76612613]...</cite> <quote><cite>MaxZorin007 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AirJordan2345 posted...</cite> <quote>he did?</quote> https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76612613/902179596</quote> Don't have vaginal sex if you don't want a pregnancy</quote> you really believe that? yeah, so what if they do?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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