Current Events > Fox goes full fox, cancels Brooklyn 99, The Mick, and Last Man on Earth

(+) Yeah! (+)

And New girl is ending as well, so now Im pretty sure the Good Place is the only network show I watch anymore

https://news.avclub.com/fox-cancels-the-mick-last-man-on-earth-and-holy-shit-1825934459
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Well. The Mick isnt a shock
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Yes I am glad they canceled the Mick now hopefully that show that Dennis is on will flop and the gang can get back to making its always sunny episodes.
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Well. The Mick isnt a shock

The Mick was shockingly good imo
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Was the Mick even good?
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Sorry, Dee. You don't get to be on a show like Always Sunny and then have a solo career. Just ask the cast of Seinfeld.

I'm glad last man is cancelled, though. No show so clearly designed to rip off the concept of a failed comic book show pitch deserves to succeed.
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What was so surprising about the Mick for me was how well it transferred the comic sensibilities of Its Always Sunny to network TV

It got real dark, especially since a lot of the stuff involved the kids
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The Mick, and Last Man on Earth

And nothing of value was lost

The only time I ever bother with Fox is during football season.
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Surprised about Brooklyn 99
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Maeiv posted...

Surprised about Brooklyn 99

It's basically the only good one of the bunch, but I feel like it's not really the kind of comedy that actually sells.
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BLAKUboy posted...

but I feel like it's not really the kind of comedy that actually sells.

I'm sorry what?
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Quicksilver posted...

Yes I am glad they canceled the Mick now hopefully that show that Dennis is on will flop and the gang can get back to making its always sunny episodes.

APBio got picked up for season 2
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RiP B-99

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And yet Family Guy is still on air

TheGoldenEel posted...

What was so surprising about the Mick for me was how well it transferred the comic sensibilities of Its Always Sunny to network TV

It got real dark, especially since a lot of the stuff involved the kids

Yeah but Kaitlin carried the entire show. The rest of the cast sucked
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Hasn't Brooklyn 99 been on forever now?

I wonder if Gotham will get renewed
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huh, I think The Mick is way better than Brooklyn 99

also, way more surprising it got cancelled all things considered
*shrug*
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Honestly, I quit getting attached to Fox shows when they said they were either going to cancel John Doe or Fastlane, which caused both fanbases to go to great lengths to convince them not to cancel their favored show.

And then they ended up canceling both of them anyways.

I think the only Fox show I watched since then was 24, and I didn't start watching it until it was in it's third season anyways.
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DezDroppedFreak posted...

TheGoldenEel posted...

What was so surprising about the Mick for me was how well it transferred the comic sensibilities of Its Always Sunny to network TV

It got real dark, especially since a lot of the stuff involved the kids

Yeah but Kaitlin carried the entire show. The rest of the cast sucked

Nah, Jimmy, Alba, and the youngest kid were great

The middle boy was kind of irritating sure but at least the girl was hot
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TheGoldenEel posted...

DezDroppedFreak posted...

TheGoldenEel posted...

What was so surprising about the Mick for me was how well it transferred the comic sensibilities of Its Always Sunny to network TV

It got real dark, especially since a lot of the stuff involved the kids

Yeah but Kaitlin carried the entire show. The rest of the cast sucked

Nah, Jimmy, Alba, and the youngest kid were great

The middle boy was kind of irritating sure but at least the girl was hot

they were all fine. Alba was incredibly underutilized, though. the kids were just for to connect with more mainstream audiences. they served their purpose, imo
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>brooklyn nine nine

>new girl

God is dead.

We killed him.
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B99 was not produced by Fox, had consistently decreasing ratings and was over the syndication threshold. There just wasn't a financial incentive to keep in on the air. It's cancellation wasn't overly surprising.

The other two are a little surprising as both were produced by Fox and the Mick had okay ratings and LMOE was about a season away from syndication. Of course with the Disney buyout of 20th Century Fox, the channel doesn't have the same financial incentives to go for syndication numbers anymore since Disney will have those rights in about a year.
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Gheb posted...

Of course with the Disney buyout of 20th Century Fox, the channel doesn't have the same financial incentives to go for syndication numbers anymore since Disney will have those rights in about a year.

didn't think about that at all -- great point
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They better not cancel Bobs Burgers. They already fucked up by canceling KotH. Dont make the same mistake Fox.
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Gheb posted...

B99 was not produced by Fox, had consistently decreasing ratings and was over the syndication threshold. There just wasn't a financial incentive to keep in on the air. It's cancellation wasn't overly surprising.

The other two are a little surprising as both were produced by Fox and the Mick had okay ratings and LMOE was about a season away from syndication. Of course with the Disney buyout of 20th Century Fox, the channel doesn't have the same financial incentives to go for syndication numbers anymore since Disney will have those rights in about a year.

Isnt Disney buying 21st Century Fox, aka the movie part of Fox? Thought Fox was keeping the channel, sports, and news.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Gheb posted...

B99 was not produced by Fox, had consistently decreasing ratings and was over the syndication threshold. There just wasn't a financial incentive to keep in on the air. It's cancellation wasn't overly surprising.

The other two are a little surprising as both were produced by Fox and the Mick had okay ratings and LMOE was about a season away from syndication. Of course with the Disney buyout of 20th Century Fox, the channel doesn't have the same financial incentives to go for syndication numbers anymore since Disney will have those rights in about a year.

Isnt Disney buying 21st Century Fox, aka the movie part of Fox? Thought Fox was keeping the channel, sports, and news.

my understanding is that Fox is retaining sports and news, but selling their scripted TV stuff
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Isnt Disney buying 21st Century Fox, aka the movie part of Fox? Thought Fox was keeping the channel, sports, and news.

I believe it's everything but the news channels and other news stuff.
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Balrog0 posted...

Gheb posted...

Of course with the Disney buyout of 20th Century Fox, the channel doesn't have the same financial incentives to go for syndication numbers anymore since Disney will have those rights in about a year.

didn't think about that at all -- great point

Yeah this is going to be a weird year for Fox. We've never really had a broadcast network that didn't also have a production company. It's making the borderline renewals/cancellations really hard to predict. Especially because the new trend toward broadcast operations is to predominately rely on self-produced shows, even if they get lower ratings, because the streaming rights are becoming so valuable that it actually trumps ad revenue.

I mean shit, CW operates at a loss as far as its broadcast operations go and makes all of its money on streaming rights. As a network they functionally don't care about ratings anymore. Which is just nuts.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Gheb posted...

B99 was not produced by Fox, had consistently decreasing ratings and was over the syndication threshold. There just wasn't a financial incentive to keep in on the air. It's cancellation wasn't overly surprising.

The other two are a little surprising as both were produced by Fox and the Mick had okay ratings and LMOE was about a season away from syndication. Of course with the Disney buyout of 20th Century Fox, the channel doesn't have the same financial incentives to go for syndication numbers anymore since Disney will have those rights in about a year.

Isnt Disney buying 21st Century Fox, aka the movie part of Fox? Thought Fox was keeping the channel, sports, and news.

21st Century Fox includes 20th Century Fox.

Basically, Disney is buying everything that isn't their news networks, the national sports channels and the Fox broadcast channel.
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Gheb posted...

Balrog0 posted...

Gheb posted...

Of course with the Disney buyout of 20th Century Fox, the channel doesn't have the same financial incentives to go for syndication numbers anymore since Disney will have those rights in about a year.

didn't think about that at all -- great point

Yeah this is going to be a weird year for Fox. We've never really had a broadcast network that didn't also have a production company. It's making the borderline renewals/cancellations really hard to predict. Especially because the new trend toward broadcast operations is to predominately rely on self-produced shows, even if they get lower ratings, because the streaming rights are becoming so valuable that it actually trumps ad revenue.

I mean shit, CW operates at a loss as far as its broadcast operations go and makes all of its money on streaming rights. As a network they functionally don't care about ratings anymore. Which is just nuts.

I think more and more shows will have to survive on streaming. Especially ones that skew to a younger audience like the CW shows and Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Most of the shows that score well in the ratings seem to appeal to older people more from what I can tell.

Sucks that shows like this get lost in the shuffle.
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Brooklyn 99 was actually really funny.
Sad to see it go.

Don't know what Mick is.

LMS fucking sucks and should have been cancelled a loooong time ago.
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New Girl was going either way.

Brooklyn 99 was great though....v.v

never really watched any of them

go me?
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Darmik posted...

Gheb posted...

Balrog0 posted...

Gheb posted...

Of course with the Disney buyout of 20th Century Fox, the channel doesn't have the same financial incentives to go for syndication numbers anymore since Disney will have those rights in about a year.

didn't think about that at all -- great point

Yeah this is going to be a weird year for Fox. We've never really had a broadcast network that didn't also have a production company. It's making the borderline renewals/cancellations really hard to predict. Especially because the new trend toward broadcast operations is to predominately rely on self-produced shows, even if they get lower ratings, because the streaming rights are becoming so valuable that it actually trumps ad revenue.

I mean shit, CW operates at a loss as far as its broadcast operations go and makes all of its money on streaming rights. As a network they functionally don't care about ratings anymore. Which is just nuts.

I think more and more shows will have to survive on streaming. Especially ones that skew to a younger audience like the CW shows and Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Most of the shows that score well in the ratings seem to appeal to older people more from what I can tell.

Sucks that shows like this get lost in the shuffle.

The difference between B99 and everything on the CW is that CW owns every show it airs. Which means it keeps all those lucrative streaming rights and thus has a reason to air the shows. B99 is owned by NBC Universal. Which means Fox gets no money from the streaming (or syndication) rights.

This can actually be a boon for shows that are just about a season away from syndication, because then their production company will essentially renegotiate their licensing deal with the network so that Fox or whoever can air the show for basically free. Which essentially guarantees a renewal, but once you hit that 88 episode point, the show almost certainly gets cancelled.
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Gonna be replaced by an army of televangelists
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Good. I was sick of Last Man on Earth and I didn't even watch it.

Gheb posted...

Darmik posted...

Gheb posted...

Balrog0 posted...

Gheb posted...

Of course with the Disney buyout of 20th Century Fox, the channel doesn't have the same financial incentives to go for syndication numbers anymore since Disney will have those rights in about a year.

didn't think about that at all -- great point

Yeah this is going to be a weird year for Fox. We've never really had a broadcast network that didn't also have a production company. It's making the borderline renewals/cancellations really hard to predict. Especially because the new trend toward broadcast operations is to predominately rely on self-produced shows, even if they get lower ratings, because the streaming rights are becoming so valuable that it actually trumps ad revenue.

I mean shit, CW operates at a loss as far as its broadcast operations go and makes all of its money on streaming rights. As a network they functionally don't care about ratings anymore. Which is just nuts.

I think more and more shows will have to survive on streaming. Especially ones that skew to a younger audience like the CW shows and Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Most of the shows that score well in the ratings seem to appeal to older people more from what I can tell.

Sucks that shows like this get lost in the shuffle.

The difference between B99 and everything on the CW is that CW owns every show it airs. Which means it keeps all those lucrative streaming rights and thus has a reason to air the shows. B99 is owned by NBC Universal. Which means Fox gets no money from the streaming (or syndication) rights.

This can actually be a boon for shows that are just about a season away from syndication, because then their production company will essentially renegotiate their licensing deal with the network so that Fox or whoever can air the show for basically free. Which essentially guarantees a renewal, but once you hit that 88 episode point, the show almost certainly gets cancelled.

Can NBC Universal go to Netflix or somewhere else with the show now?
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Gheb posted...

I mean shit, CW operates at a loss as far as its broadcast operations go and makes all of its money on streaming rights. As a network they functionally don't care about ratings anymore. Which is just nuts.

I was gonna ask you how CW worked, they own their own production company? Its a super odd man out so I really know nothing about it
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

They better not cancel Bobs Burgers. They already fucked up by canceling KotH. Dont make the same mistake Fox.

We got The Cleveland Show out of it so the cancelation was for the best.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

sktgamer_13dude posted...

They better not cancel Bobs Burgers. They already fucked up by canceling KotH. Dont make the same mistake Fox.

We got The Cleveland Show out of it so the cancelation was for the best.

Cleveland Show was poop.
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Darmik posted...

Can NBC Universal go to Netflix or somewhere else with the show now?

They have the option to shop it around, but at its age I doubt they'll be much success. Frankly if B99 was pulling in big syndication or streaming money, NBCU would keep offering it to Fox for dirt cheap licensing and Fox, who is about to be out a production company, would probably keep it on. Which means they don't think it's that valuable.

Balrog0 posted...

I was gonna ask you how CW worked, they own their own production company? Its a super odd man out so I really know nothing about it

CW is a CBS and Warner Brothers join venture. Every show it airs is produced by either CBS or WB. Which means both companies get the streaming rights. CW was effectively ahead of its time when it came to streaming deals and has worked out very valuable contracts with Netflix for most of its shows. As a result they are highly incentivized to keep making episodes regardless of ratings. It's also why they do what are essentially anti-ratings things like free next-day streaming of their shows on their website.

One interesting quirk about the CW partnership is that both companies get some interest in the shows regardless of who produced it. This has normally worked out okay, but over the last few years the WB produced shows (the superhero shows, Supernatural, Riverdale) have been much more lucrative than the CBS shows. Something that hasn't escaped WB's attention. So when WB decided they were going to do a Sabrina the spin-off of Riverdale, they decided to skip CW altogether and go straight to Netflix, essentially cutting CBS out. It'll be interesting to see how the dynamic goes from here.
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Cancelling the bad shows, good
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Riverdale is really interesting to see in Australia. They upload the new episode on Netflix the same day as the US. It seems to be really popular here as a result. I don't think it would be anywhere near as popular on broadcast television.

Broadcast television in general seems to be in a weird place here with the rise of streaming services and the internet. Nearly everything is moving to cable (which now is also a streaming service) and stuff like Netflix. Australian broadcast TV is the home of Australian reality shows, Australian miniseries biopics, the news, sports and syndicated American sitcoms. Everything else is going to streaming.

Times are changing.
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I like Kaitlin Olson but she doesn't have the star power to carry a show.

Skye Reynolds posted...

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Firefly

how dare you
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they cant keep getting away with this
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Yay Gotham survives
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