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YoshitoKikuchi
04/30/18 2:40:22 PM
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What did you most dislike about it?
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Duncanwii
04/30/18 2:41:42 PM
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I haven't watched it but I've always found the lack of Green Lantern very off putting.
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Doom_Art
04/30/18 2:42:34 PM
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Batman vs Superman
Critics: "The characters are awful, the story makes no sense, the writing is bad, and the cgi is awful"

Suicide Squad
Critics: "The characters are awful, the story makes no sense, the writing is bad, and the cgi is awful"

Warner Brothers: "Okay guys we made the next movie much lighter and the characters more funny"

Justice League
Critics: "The characters are awful, the story makes no sense, the writing is bad, and the cgi is awful"
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YoshitoKikuchi
04/30/18 2:52:26 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Batman vs Superman
Critics: "The characters are awful, the story makes no sense, the writing is bad, and the cgi is awful"

Suicide Squad
Critics: "The characters are awful, the story makes no sense, the writing is bad, and the cgi is awful"

Warner Brothers: "Okay guys we made the next movie much lighter and the characters more funny"

Justice League
Critics: "The characters are awful, the story makes no sense, the writing is bad, and the cgi is awful"


So it's the audience not knowing what they want?
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lilORANG
04/30/18 2:53:33 PM
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it wasn't terrible. It was fine for what it was, and for having the production troubles it did. It'm my favorite DCEU movie
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Zack_Attackv1
04/30/18 2:53:58 PM
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Joss Whedon, obviously.
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MC_BatCommander
04/30/18 2:54:06 PM
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YoshitoKikuchi posted...
So it's the audience not knowing what they want?


It's Zack Snyder not knowing how to make a good movie. Now that he's out of the DCEU maybe we can get some more competent movie makers behind the wheel.
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lilORANG
04/30/18 2:55:38 PM
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it wasn't terrible. It was fine for what it was, and for having the production troubles it did. It'm my favorite DCEU movie

Doom_Art posted...
Batman vs Superman
Critics: "The characters are awful, the story makes no sense, the writing is bad, and the cgi is awful"

Suicide Squad
Critics: "The characters are awful, the story makes no sense, the writing is bad, and the cgi is awful"

Warner Brothers: "Okay guys we made the next movie much lighter and the characters more funny"

Justice League
Critics: "The characters are awful, the story makes no sense, the writing is bad, and the cgi is awful"


but this is also amusingly accurate.
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Tyranthraxus
04/30/18 2:55:41 PM
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Here is a short infographic explaining why Justice League was so disliked:

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Milkman5
04/30/18 2:56:29 PM
#10:


Joss Whedon
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YoshitoKikuchi
05/01/18 8:05:47 AM
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Why were the jokes and humor so bad? I think the Aquaman moment was supposedly the only humurous bit.
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DyingPancake
05/01/18 8:34:48 AM
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YoshitoKikuchi posted...
Why were the jokes and humor so bad? I think the Aquaman moment was supposedly the only humurous bit.


When they tried to make a joke it was just the most cookie-cutter attempt at humor possible.

For example When Superman and Cyborg manage to stop the cube they get knocked back and are laughing at how much pain they're in and Wonder Woman goes "Children. I am working with children". She might as well have looked at the camera, shrugged her shoulders, and gave the "What are you going to do" face.

Most of the special effects were bad, there was hardly any fighting, and the villain just wasn't memorable

For all that though it wasn't too bad of a movie and there are some pretty decent parts. If you like superhero movie you might enjoy it
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ClockworkHare
05/01/18 8:36:37 AM
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Duncanwii posted...
I haven't watched it but I've always found the lack of Green Lantern very off putting.

Would have been nice to see John Stewart as GL.
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AlisLandale
05/01/18 9:04:10 AM
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Justice League wasnt terrible, but it can feel schizophrenic with how forced the Whedon bits are. Not that they're bad. I appreciate most of the stuff he added, but it doesnt flow naturally with Snyder's vision.

People rag on Steppenwolf but he wasnt any more or less interesting than any other superhero movie villain. Like, he's easily on par with 80% Marvel villains. And the lore his presence creates was interesting.

Tbh, as much as I hate Snyders take on Superman, the opening about the worlds reaction to his death was great. I think theres potential for a great DCEU with Snyder's involvement, but he needs to be limited to like, cinematography or something.
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YoshitoKikuchi
05/01/18 11:37:49 PM
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DyingPancake posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
Why were the jokes and humor so bad? I think the Aquaman moment was supposedly the only humurous bit.


When they tried to make a joke it was just the most cookie-cutter attempt at humor possible.

For example When Superman and Cyborg manage to stop the cube they get knocked back and are laughing at how much pain they're in and Wonder Woman goes "Children. I am working with children". She might as well have looked at the camera, shrugged her shoulders, and gave the "What are you going to do" face.

Most of the special effects were bad, there was hardly any fighting, and the villain just wasn't memorable

For all that though it wasn't too bad of a movie and there are some pretty decent parts. If you like superhero movie you might enjoy it


What makes the MCU humor work? Even stuff like seconds of Drax's comments are funnier than the entire Justice League movie.
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Tyranthraxus
05/01/18 11:45:25 PM
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YoshitoKikuchi posted...
What makes the MCU humor work? Even stuff like seconds of Drax's comments are funnier than the entire Justice League movie.

I'd argue a lot of it actually doesn't work. Drax is funny but that bullshit they were doing where Steve Rogers gets more shit from the team for his language than Tony does for creating a genocidal robot was not funny and contributed to the overall suck of the movie.

Drax is even more ridiculous in the comics.

The movies are getting oversaturated. It's no real surprise that a lot of people have Winter soldier or black panther as their favorite or top tier. Those movies go easy on the humor. It's there, but not overbearing like gotg 2 or Thor Ragnarok
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gna647
05/01/18 11:48:42 PM
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Only DC fans will be in denial over a shitty movie and blame the audience

The movie was shit
Get over it

If you had an IQ over the single digits you can see why
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Tyranthraxus
05/01/18 11:49:51 PM
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gna647 posted...
Only DC fans will be in denial over a shitty movie and blame the audience

The movie was shit
Get over it

If you had an IQ over the single digits you can see why

No.

X-Men 3 is shit.

Iron Man 3 is shit.

Suicide Squad is shit.

Justice league was just average.
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SlashmanSG
05/01/18 11:50:00 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Here is a short infographic explaining why Justice League was so disliked:

83dhxEi

This. It was a damn entertaining movie.
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foreveraIone
05/01/18 11:50:23 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
gna647 posted...
Only DC fans will be in denial over a shitty movie and blame the audience

The movie was shit
Get over it

If you had an IQ over the single digits you can see why

No.

X-Men 3 is shit.

Iron Man 3 is shit.

Suicide Squad is shit.

Justice league was just average.

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Skye Reynolds
05/01/18 11:55:46 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Batman vs Superman
Critics: "The characters are awful, the story makes no sense, the writing is bad, and the cgi is awful"

Suicide Squad
Critics: "The characters are awful, the story makes no sense, the writing is bad, and the cgi is awful"

Warner Brothers: "Okay guys we made the next movie much lighter and the characters more funny"

Justice League
Critics: "The characters are awful, the story makes no sense, the writing is bad, and the cgi is awful"


Yeah, let's not pretend that tone is a non-factor. Joss Whedon may not have been the fixer DC had hoped for, but the first three films were hindered by trying to chase a dying trend.
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Freddie_Mercury
05/01/18 11:56:26 PM
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casual audience CUCKS couldn't understand zaddy's postmodern revival arthurian legend themes
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Returning_CEmen
05/01/18 11:57:51 PM
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I mentally checked out in the beginning of the movie when Wonder Women did some super speed bullshit.
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MacadamianNut3
05/01/18 11:58:59 PM
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The only problem I had with Suicide Squad was flame demon dude suddenly going "I fight for my friends" was out of place....and then absolutely nobody gave a single shit about swat dude blowing himself up with the same charge that killed flame demon dude, including the swat dude acting all nonchalant about it

Das it mane
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billcom6
05/01/18 11:59:32 PM
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I actually liked JL.
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voldothegr8
05/02/18 12:02:48 AM
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The only reason there is any sense of suspense at all is because Supes isn't around. And there wasn't much suspense regardless.
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EnragedSlith
05/02/18 12:04:03 AM
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Synder is not fit for these movies. Like, no hate, he has a unique style, but I havent seen a single movie in which it worked. If they decide to do a live action adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns, then hes a great choice, but the whole setup for the Justice League didnt leave Whedon much to work with. Im also not a big fan of Whedon.

DC also tried to rush everything to compete with Marvel. Marvel, to its credit, has been goddamn methodical and patient with setting all of this up. DC was behind the curve and ran with a rushed product that lacked any payoff.

On top of this, Marvel adapts better to film because its far more Saturday cartoon friendly. Superman is a difficult character to work into a rote story because hes basically infinitely powerful and completely sweeps the rest of the JL. WW and Aquaman are boring. Flash is best goofin with his relatively benign rogues gallery. That goes double for Green Arrow and Batman. Green Lantern and the Martian Manhunter are weird space guys. Im aware that not all of these heroes were represented in the movie.

What may have worked better is a more grounded team with Batman, Flash, Cyborg, Green Arrow, and Black Canary. Then you introduce one of the otherworldly heroes as a major plot point to the movie. I think Id really just like to see Batman rub shoulders with the Green Arrow and Canary combo.
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Knowledge_King
05/02/18 12:09:40 AM
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It was just alright. Nothing had any oomph, the visuals were terrible, as was everything Whedon added to the movie tbh. Never mix such opposite director's visions.

But it wasn't actually bad. Just bad for what it should be. And that's amazing.
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bobbysjoby
05/02/18 12:10:29 AM
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Milkman5 posted...
Joss Whedon
Biggest one trick pony in cinema.
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SlashmanSG
05/02/18 12:12:21 AM
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bobbysjoby posted...
Milkman5 posted...
Joss Whedon
Biggest one trick pony in cinema.

That's a worryingly stupid thing to say.
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Skye Reynolds
05/02/18 12:12:59 AM
#33:


Goats posted...
We've all seen a million batman and superman movies. Wonder Woman was nice as a novelty but doesn't have longevity, and Flash/Sea Dude/Cyborg were barely characters.


I disagree. I think she could easily have a trilogy of her own. She needs some better competition though.
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Darmik
05/02/18 12:14:04 AM
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It's a bit of a mess but it was okay.

The biggest issue is that the bar has been raised so high these days and this was supposed to be their big movie that justifies their cinematic universe. It overall failed at this goal. A lot of that is due to decisions made before and around this film. As a movie that's standalone? It's a flawed but entertaining enough experience. At least this one didn't butcher any of the characters they were adapting.
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Re-iNcarnated
05/02/18 12:14:26 AM
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Shit Batman, the writing, the lack of interest in the acting, the Batman.
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Shuto-uke
05/02/18 12:15:38 AM
#36:


YoshitoKikuchi posted...
So it's the audience not knowing what they want?


the audience are marvel fanboys expecting DC movies to be like Marvel movies
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bobbysjoby
05/02/18 12:20:17 AM
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SlashmanSG posted...
bobbysjoby posted...
Milkman5 posted...
Joss Whedon
Biggest one trick pony in cinema.

That's a worryingly stupid thing to say.

Lmao someones mad, couldnt you have at least added a whedon style sassy flamboyant quip/pun?
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Darmik
05/02/18 12:20:18 AM
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Goats posted...
They've had three movies and they can't get us to like Superman. Fucking Superman of all people is unlikeable. Wth.


Superman was his most likeable in Justice League. Like if he was in the spirit of this character from the start things might have been different.

But unfortunately thanks to the previous two movies it wasn't earned and felt pretty jarring. On top of that you have weird CGI face Superman in Justice League.

Biggest issues can all be traced back to BvS really. That's the moment the DCEU shit its pants.
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SlashmanSG
05/02/18 12:22:14 AM
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bobbysjoby posted...
SlashmanSG posted...
bobbysjoby posted...
Milkman5 posted...
Joss Whedon
Biggest one trick pony in cinema.

That's a worryingly stupid thing to say.

Lmao someones mad, couldnt you have at least added a whedon style sassy flamboyant quip/pun?

Add more emojis and edits, that'll prove what an adult you are.
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AvantgardeAClue
05/02/18 12:22:22 AM
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I liked Suicide Squad, aside from the horrible depiction of Enchantress.

Injustice 2 Enchantress
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Shuto-uke
05/02/18 12:22:53 AM
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The biggest issue I see is that it's a clusterfuck.

Hulk had his movies.
Thor had his movies.
Captain America had his movies
Ironman had his movies.

To think that marvel would eventually make these 4 successful franchises (ok, Hulk wasn't that successful, but still) parts of a single movie was mind blowing, but it was very smart. You did not have to wrestle with giving them a back story or character arch in the original avengers, we know exactly what they're about. We even knew the villain (Loki)

They can simply add black widow, which is easy (Boobs!) and hawkeye, which at that point were like almost secondary, anyway. This mean the entire avengers movie can be about its own plot, action sequences and arch.

Justice League tried to introduce the flash, cyborg, aquaman and wonder woman, while Batman never really had a proper introduction (he is not Christian Bale's Batman, and Batman vs Superman was not a proper Batman movie), Superman was the only guy with a proper character introduction and character arch, and he is supposed to be dead at first, anyway, so reviving him is sort of like an origin story too, distracting from the main plot, action sequences and arch.

You can't have the "D.C. Avengers" without first having a proper Batman movie, a proper wonder woman movie (which we had later), a proper flash movie, a proper cyborg movie and a proper aquaman movie.

Having said that, I didn't think it was bad.
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bobbysjoby
05/02/18 12:24:21 AM
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SlashmanSG posted...
bobbysjoby posted...
SlashmanSG posted...
bobbysjoby posted...
Milkman5 posted...
Joss Whedon
Biggest one trick pony in cinema.

That's a worryingly stupid thing to say.

Lmao someones mad, couldnt you have at least added a whedon style sassy flamboyant quip/pun?

Add more emojis and edits, that'll prove what an adult you are.

Lmao you re no fun at all, bye bye then
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EnragedSlith
05/02/18 12:34:51 AM
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Shuto-uke posted...
You can't have the "D.C. Avengers" without first having a proper Batman movie, a proper wonder woman movie (which we had later), a proper flash movie, a proper cyborg movie and a proper aquaman movie.

Not in the same context, but I think the reliance on film universes is lazy writing and means to a cash grab. You dont need established backstories to make a good comic book movie. Look at the Hellboy films.

DC could do just fine dropping a couple of heroes in a one-off story and respecting their audience enough to assume they can put two and two together without a vivid backstory. The reason origin stories are so popular is because theyre EASY, formulaic, inoffensive, and set up natural sequels. They dont make for better movies.
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Shuto-uke
05/02/18 12:40:34 AM
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Goats posted...
They've had three movies and they can't get us to like Superman. Fucking Superman of all people is unlikeable. Wth.


Superman is unlikeable. He is too perfect, he is an ideal to strive to. Nobody likes that kid who always gets A+ and raises his hand in class.
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Shuto-uke
05/02/18 12:42:07 AM
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EnragedSlith posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
You can't have the "D.C. Avengers" without first having a proper Batman movie, a proper wonder woman movie (which we had later), a proper flash movie, a proper cyborg movie and a proper aquaman movie.

Not in the same context, but I think the reliance on film universes is lazy writing and means to a cash grab. You dont need established backstories to make a good comic book movie. Look at the Hellboy films.

DC could do just fine dropping a couple of heroes in a one-off story and respecting their audience enough to assume they can put two and two together without a vivid backstory. The reason origin stories are so popular is because theyre EASY, formulaic, inoffensive, and set up natural sequels. They dont make for better movies.


No, that's the thing, Hellboy had his own movie.

You're right, they don't need to have an origin movie per se (e.g. hellboy being a boy found in hell is a whole movie, or a movie about batman's parents and bruce is a kid), but they do need a real batman movie before pitting him vs superman just like that.
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Darmik
05/02/18 12:43:59 AM
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Shuto-uke posted...
Goats posted...
They've had three movies and they can't get us to like Superman. Fucking Superman of all people is unlikeable. Wth.


Superman is unlikeable. He is too perfect, he is an ideal to strive to. Nobody likes that kid who always gets A+ and raises his hand in class.


They manage it fine in the animated movies. Superman vs The Elite is like anti-Snyder's interpretation of a superhero and it works so damn well.
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