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BLAKUboy 04/29/18 7:00:48 PM #203:	IfGodCouldDie posted... Why do you care how people spend their free time? Because people like you are literally just as bad as the trolls. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:900531237] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>Why do you care how people spend their free time?</quote> Because people like you are literally just as bad as the trolls.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 04/29/18 7:01:10 PM #204:	BLAKUboy posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... Why do you care how people spend their free time? Because people like you are literally just as bad as the trolls. How do? --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:900531257] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>Why do you care how people spend their free time?</quote> Because people like you are literally just as bad as the trolls.</quote> How do?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aki_Narukami 04/29/18 7:03:52 PM #205:	Pitlord_Special posted... If toxic masculinity is fake feminist noise, how do you explain how spree killing is an almost exclusively male phenomenon? testosterone.... <cite>Aki_Narukami posted [p:900531396] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pitlord_Special posted...</cite> <quote>If toxic masculinity is fake feminist noise, how do you explain how spree killing is an almost exclusively male phenomenon?</quote> testosterone....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aki_Narukami 04/29/18 7:06:44 PM #206:	IfGodCouldDie posted... And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope. <cite>Aki_Narukami posted [p:900531553] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. </quote> And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 04/29/18 7:08:47 PM #207:	Aki_Narukami posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope. Can you elaborate? --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:900531658] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aki_Narukami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. </quote> And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope.</quote> Can you elaborate?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aki_Narukami 04/29/18 7:09:54 PM #208:	IfGodCouldDie posted... Aki_Narukami posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope. Can you elaborate? It is divisive because it's often used to mean any masculinity from a man. It's often used to cope by feminine men who pretend they're weak because masculinity is toxic. <cite>Aki_Narukami posted [p:900531714] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Aki_Narukami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. </quote> And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope.</quote> Can you elaborate?</quote> It is divisive because it's often used to mean any masculinity from a man. It's often used to cope by feminine men who pretend they're weak because masculinity is toxic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 04/29/18 7:14:16 PM #209:	Aki_Narukami posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... Aki_Narukami posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope. Can you elaborate? It is divisive because it's often used to mean any masculinity from a man. It's often used to cope by feminine men who pretend they're weak because masculinity is toxic. How often is often? I have never seen it used to mean all masculinity is toxic except for situations where I am dealing with radfeminazis, and they are hardly the norm when it comes to people that support "feminism," or when the term is being used to describe the "attack on men" as evidenced by several posters, including you, in this topic. Your second point doesn't make much sense to me I may need context to understand what you're talking about with that point. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:900531919] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aki_Narukami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Aki_Narukami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. </quote> And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope.</quote> Can you elaborate?</quote> It is divisive because it's often used to mean any masculinity from a man. It's often used to cope by feminine men who pretend they're weak because masculinity is toxic.</quote> How often is often? I have never seen it used to mean all masculinity is toxic except for situations where I am dealing with radfeminazis, and they are hardly the norm when it comes to people that support "feminism," or when the term is being used to describe the "attack on men" as evidenced by several posters, including you, in this topic. Your second point doesn't make much sense to me I may need context to understand what you're talking about with that point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 04/29/18 8:11:47 PM #210:	Aki_Narukami posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope. It's inherently antagonistic. And do they ever make a big deal out of toxic femininity? No. Do they even acknowledge it? No, but by the same standards and interest in fairness and equality (that feminism supposedly champions) it surely too exists, wouldn't it? If you believe in this toxicity bullshit. Nah, usually they just turn it around and say it's all just toxic masculinity or internalized misogyny that wondrous get out of jail free card. --- I'll defend any man's Funbazooka! <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:900534697] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aki_Narukami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. </quote> And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope.</quote> It's inherently antagonistic. And do they ever make a big deal out of toxic femininity? No. Do they even acknowledge it? No, but by the same standards and interest in fairness and equality (that feminism supposedly champions) it surely too exists, wouldn't it? If you believe in this toxicity bullshit. Nah, usually they just turn it around and say it's all just toxic masculinity or internalized misogyny that wondrous get out of jail free card.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 04/29/18 8:19:11 PM #211:	Aki_Narukami posted... It is divisive because it's often used to mean any masculinity from a man. I'm pretty sure you made this up. "Often" please. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:900535040] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aki_Narukami posted...</cite> <quote>It is divisive because it's often used to mean any masculinity from a man. </quote> I'm pretty sure you made this up. "Often" please.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aki_Narukami 04/29/18 8:25:23 PM #212:	Funbazooka posted... Aki_Narukami posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope. It's inherently antagonistic. And do they ever make a big deal out of toxic femininity? No. Do they even acknowledge it? No, but by the same standards and interest in fairness and equality (that feminism supposedly champions) it surely too exists, wouldn't it? If you believe in this toxicity bullshit. Nah, usually they just turn it around and say it's all just toxic masculinity or internalized misogyny that wondrous get out of jail free card. yeah everything is men's fault toxic masculinity = because men toxic femininity = internalized misogyny = because men <cite>Aki_Narukami posted [p:900535346] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Aki_Narukami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. </quote> And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope.</quote> It's inherently antagonistic. And do they ever make a big deal out of toxic femininity? No. Do they even acknowledge it? No, but by the same standards and interest in fairness and equality (that feminism supposedly champions) it surely too exists, wouldn't it? If you believe in this toxicity bullshit. Nah, usually they just turn it around and say it's all just toxic masculinity or internalized misogyny that wondrous get out of jail free card.</quote> yeah everything is men's fault toxic masculinity = because men toxic femininity = internalized misogyny = because men</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 04/29/18 8:27:38 PM #213:	Funbazooka posted... Aki_Narukami posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope. It's inherently antagonistic. And do they ever make a big deal out of toxic femininity? No. Do they even acknowledge it? No, but by the same standards and interest in fairness and equality (that feminism supposedly champions) it surely too exists, wouldn't it? If you believe in this toxicity bullshit. Nah, usually they just turn it around and say it's all just toxic masculinity or internalized misogyny that wondrous get out of jail free card. Ok but no one here is saying toxic femininity doesn't exist, it does. Telling a girl how "lady" is supposed to act would be an example of toxic femininity. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:900535440] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Aki_Narukami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. </quote> And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope.</quote> It's inherently antagonistic. And do they ever make a big deal out of toxic femininity? No. Do they even acknowledge it? No, but by the same standards and interest in fairness and equality (that feminism supposedly champions) it surely too exists, wouldn't it? If you believe in this toxicity bullshit. Nah, usually they just turn it around and say it's all just toxic masculinity or internalized misogyny that wondrous get out of jail free card.</quote> Ok but no one here is saying toxic femininity doesn't exist, it does. Telling a girl how "lady" is supposed to act would be an example of toxic femininity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 04/29/18 10:02:09 PM #214:	IfGodCouldDie posted... Howl posted... i_eat_the_booty posted... Howl posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... TheCyborgNinja posted... I wonder how many guys that whine about "toxic masculinity" are virgins who got their asses kicked a lot growing up. What is your definition of toxic masculinity? It's the completely made up notion that any amount of masculine expression is oppressive to women and harmful to both genders. Lol Even after countless posts itt explaining that's not what it means you still tout this garbage You guys aren't even interested in being educated. You're just here to bitch about feminism and how "they're taking over the world" There's no further education required. "Toxic Masculinity" isn't even a real thing. It's just a buzz phrase. If you don't think it's a real thing I refer you to my previous example of your hypothetical son playing with your hypothetical daughter and they are playing with her dolls. How do you handle that situation? I wouldn't care if my son played with dolls. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:900539890] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>i_eat_the_booty posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote> I wonder how many guys that whine about "toxic masculinity" are virgins who got their asses kicked a lot growing up. </quote> What is your definition of toxic masculinity? </quote> It's the completely made up notion that any amount of masculine expression is oppressive to women and harmful to both genders. </quote> Lol Even after countless posts itt explaining that's not what it means you still tout this garbage You guys aren't even interested in being educated. You're just here to bitch about feminism and how "they're taking over the world" </quote> There's no further education required. "Toxic Masculinity" isn't even a real thing. It's just a buzz phrase.</quote> If you don't think it's a real thing I refer you to my previous example of your hypothetical son playing with your hypothetical daughter and they are playing with her dolls. How do you handle that situation?</quote> I wouldn't care if my son played with dolls.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/29/18 10:03:59 PM #215:	Aki_Narukami posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope. wtf we love political correctness --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:900539979] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aki_Narukami posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote>And that's great, but anyone that comes in and tells their son that dolls are for girls and to stop playing with them is an example of toxic masculinity. </quote> And that's great, but toxic masculinity is a needlessly divisive term often used to cope.</quote> wtf we love political correctness</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 04/29/18 10:10:01 PM #216:	Howl posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... Howl posted... i_eat_the_booty posted... Howl posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... TheCyborgNinja posted... I wonder how many guys that whine about "toxic masculinity" are virgins who got their asses kicked a lot growing up. What is your definition of toxic masculinity? It's the completely made up notion that any amount of masculine expression is oppressive to women and harmful to both genders. Lol Even after countless posts itt explaining that's not what it means you still tout this garbage You guys aren't even interested in being educated. You're just here to bitch about feminism and how "they're taking over the world" There's no further education required. "Toxic Masculinity" isn't even a real thing. It's just a buzz phrase. If you don't think it's a real thing I refer you to my previous example of your hypothetical son playing with your hypothetical daughter and they are playing with her dolls. How do you handle that situation? I wouldn't care if my son played with dolls. Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:900540263] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>i_eat_the_booty posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote> I wonder how many guys that whine about "toxic masculinity" are virgins who got their asses kicked a lot growing up. </quote> What is your definition of toxic masculinity? </quote> It's the completely made up notion that any amount of masculine expression is oppressive to women and harmful to both genders. </quote> Lol Even after countless posts itt explaining that's not what it means you still tout this garbage You guys aren't even interested in being educated. You're just here to bitch about feminism and how "they're taking over the world" </quote> There's no further education required. "Toxic Masculinity" isn't even a real thing. It's just a buzz phrase.</quote> If you don't think it's a real thing I refer you to my previous example of your hypothetical son playing with your hypothetical daughter and they are playing with her dolls. How do you handle that situation?</quote> I wouldn't care if my son played with dolls.</quote> Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 04/29/18 10:15:25 PM #217:	Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means. Why is that an example of toxic masculinity? Gender role enforcement isn't inherently a maculine or feminine idea. If anything the idea of gender social construction completely states the opposite. That gender roles are simply a social construction and have nothing to do with actual gender identity. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:900540560] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><quote>Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means.</quote> Why is that an example of toxic masculinity? Gender role enforcement isn't inherently a maculine or feminine idea. If anything the idea of gender social construction completely states the opposite. That gender roles are simply a social construction and have nothing to do with actual gender identity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 04/29/18 10:24:02 PM #218:	Howl posted... Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means. Why is that an example of toxic masculinity? Gender role enforcement isn't inherently a maculine or feminine idea. If anything the idea of gender social construction completely states the opposite. That gender roles are simply a social construction and have nothing to do with actual gender identity. What? --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:900540975] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means.</quote> Why is that an example of toxic masculinity? Gender role enforcement isn't inherently a maculine or feminine idea. If anything the idea of gender social construction completely states the opposite. That gender roles are simply a social construction and have nothing to do with actual gender identity.</quote> What?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 04/29/18 10:30:53 PM #219:	IfGodCouldDie posted... Howl posted... Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means. Why is that an example of toxic masculinity? Gender role enforcement isn't inherently a maculine or feminine idea. If anything the idea of gender social construction completely states the opposite. That gender roles are simply a social construction and have nothing to do with actual gender identity. What? What was even remotely difficult to understand about my post? Explain how a man telling his son not to play with dolls is an example of toxic masculinity. If gender is a social construct, then a man saying that to his son has nothing to do with actual masculinity or femininity and is really just an example of social order enforcement. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:900541274] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <quote> Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means. </quote> Why is that an example of toxic masculinity? Gender role enforcement isn't inherently a maculine or feminine idea. If anything the idea of gender social construction completely states the opposite. That gender roles are simply a social construction and have nothing to do with actual gender identity.</quote> What?</quote> What was even remotely difficult to understand about my post? Explain how a man telling his son not to play with dolls is an example of toxic masculinity. If gender is a social construct, then a man saying that to his son has nothing to do with actual masculinity or femininity and is really just an example of social order enforcement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 04/29/18 10:35:32 PM #220:	Howl posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... Howl posted... Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means. Why is that an example of toxic masculinity? Gender role enforcement isn't inherently a maculine or feminine idea. If anything the idea of gender social construction completely states the opposite. That gender roles are simply a social construction and have nothing to do with actual gender identity. What? What was even remotely difficult to understand about my post? Explain how a man telling his son not to play with dolls is an example of toxic masculinity. If gender is a social construct, then a man saying that to his son has nothing to do with actual masculinity or femininity and is really just an example of social order enforcement. That is exactly why it's toxic masculinity. It has nothing to do with actual masculinity and is just shaming people for not conforming to some weird societal definition of masculinity. Also, gender is not a social construct. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:900541500] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <quote> Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means. </quote> Why is that an example of toxic masculinity? Gender role enforcement isn't inherently a maculine or feminine idea. If anything the idea of gender social construction completely states the opposite. That gender roles are simply a social construction and have nothing to do with actual gender identity.</quote> What?</quote> What was even remotely difficult to understand about my post? Explain how a man telling his son not to play with dolls is an example of toxic masculinity. If gender is a social construct, then a man saying that to his son has nothing to do with actual masculinity or femininity and is really just an example of social order enforcement.</quote> That is exactly why it's toxic masculinity. It has nothing to do with actual masculinity and is just shaming people for not conforming to some weird societal definition of masculinity. Also, gender is not a social construct.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 04/29/18 10:39:02 PM #221:	Howl posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... Howl posted... Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means. Why is that an example of toxic masculinity? Gender role enforcement isn't inherently a maculine or feminine idea. If anything the idea of gender social construction completely states the opposite. That gender roles are simply a social construction and have nothing to do with actual gender identity. What? What was even remotely difficult to understand about my post? Explain how a man telling his son not to play with dolls is an example of toxic masculinity. If gender is a social construct, then a man saying that to his son has nothing to do with actual masculinity or femininity and is really just an example of social order enforcement. You are attempting to change the subject our discussion. If we look at gender as a social construct than masculinity and femininity are 100% completely arbitrary things. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:900541657] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <quote> Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means. </quote> Why is that an example of toxic masculinity? Gender role enforcement isn't inherently a maculine or feminine idea. If anything the idea of gender social construction completely states the opposite. That gender roles are simply a social construction and have nothing to do with actual gender identity.</quote> What?</quote> What was even remotely difficult to understand about my post? Explain how a man telling his son not to play with dolls is an example of toxic masculinity. If gender is a social construct, then a man saying that to his son has nothing to do with actual masculinity or femininity and is really just an example of social order enforcement.</quote> You are attempting to change the subject our discussion. If we look at gender as a social construct than masculinity and femininity are 100% completely arbitrary things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 04/29/18 10:44:25 PM #222:	I'm just gonna say it. It's more odd for a boy to play with Barbie type dolls (female characters) than to play with GI joes (predominantly male characters). It's just what they gravitate to, at least back in my day. It's more about the videogames now, but even then they'll usually gravitate towards different types of videogames. --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:900541934] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote>I'm just gonna say it. It's more odd for a boy to play with Barbie type dolls (female characters) than to play with GI joes (predominantly male characters). It's just what they gravitate to, at least back in my day. It's more about the videogames now, but even then they'll usually gravitate towards different types of videogames.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 04/29/18 10:46:23 PM #223:	Funbazooka posted... I'm just gonna say it. It's more odd for a boy to play with Barbie type dolls (female characters) than to play with GI joes (predominantly male characters). It's just what they gravitate to, at least back in my day. It's more about the videogames now, but even then they'll usually gravitate towards different types of videogames. My kids play with each others toys all the time, it depends on what they feel like playing at the time. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:900542038] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just gonna say it. It's more odd for a boy to play with Barbie type dolls (female characters) than to play with GI joes (predominantly male characters). It's just what they gravitate to, at least back in my day. It's more about the videogames now, but even then they'll usually gravitate towards different types of videogames.</quote> My kids play with each others toys all the time, it depends on what they feel like playing at the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Game_Fan09 04/29/18 10:51:12 PM #224:	Kratos is like the embodiment of that term lol. --- Currently playing: GoW: UE, MGS V, Arkham Knight and The Witcher 3. <cite>Game_Fan09 posted [p:900542254] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote>Kratos is like the embodiment of that term lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 04/29/18 10:56:28 PM #225:	IfGodCouldDie posted... Howl posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... Howl posted... Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means. Why is that an example of toxic masculinity? Gender role enforcement isn't inherently a maculine or feminine idea. If anything the idea of gender social construction completely states the opposite. That gender roles are simply a social construction and have nothing to do with actual gender identity. What? What was even remotely difficult to understand about my post? Explain how a man telling his son not to play with dolls is an example of toxic masculinity. If gender is a social construct, then a man saying that to his son has nothing to do with actual masculinity or femininity and is really just an example of social order enforcement. You are attempting to change the subject our discussion. If we look at gender as a social construct than masculinity and femininity are 100% completely arbitrary things. Well the same people who push the social construction theory also talk about toxic masculinity usually which has never made any remote amount of sense to me. Good on you for not buying that, but that was what the point I was trying to express was about mostly. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:900542506] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <quote> Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means. </quote> Why is that an example of toxic masculinity? Gender role enforcement isn't inherently a maculine or feminine idea. If anything the idea of gender social construction completely states the opposite. That gender roles are simply a social construction and have nothing to do with actual gender identity. </quote> What? </quote> What was even remotely difficult to understand about my post? Explain how a man telling his son not to play with dolls is an example of toxic masculinity. If gender is a social construct, then a man saying that to his son has nothing to do with actual masculinity or femininity and is really just an example of social order enforcement.</quote> You are attempting to change the subject our discussion. If we look at gender as a social construct than masculinity and femininity are 100% completely arbitrary things.</quote> Well the same people who push the social construction theory also talk about toxic masculinity usually which has never made any remote amount of sense to me. Good on you for not buying that, but that was what the point I was trying to express was about mostly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 04/29/18 11:00:06 PM #226:	Howl posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... Howl posted... IfGodCouldDie posted... Howl posted... Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means. Why is that an example of toxic masculinity? Gender role enforcement isn't inherently a maculine or feminine idea. If anything the idea of gender social construction completely states the opposite. That gender roles are simply a social construction and have nothing to do with actual gender identity. What? What was even remotely difficult to understand about my post? Explain how a man telling his son not to play with dolls is an example of toxic masculinity. If gender is a social construct, then a man saying that to his son has nothing to do with actual masculinity or femininity and is really just an example of social order enforcement. You are attempting to change the subject our discussion. If we look at gender as a social construct than masculinity and femininity are 100% completely arbitrary things. Well the same people who push the social construction theory also talk about toxic masculinity usually which has never made any remote amount of sense to me. Good on you for not buying that, but that was what the point I was trying to express was about mostly. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:900542678] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <quote> Well as I said to bazooka, that's good. People that would tell him to stop because dolls are for girls are a prime example of what toxic masculinity means. </quote> Why is that an example of toxic masculinity? Gender role enforcement isn't inherently a maculine or feminine idea. If anything the idea of gender social construction completely states the opposite. That gender roles are simply a social construction and have nothing to do with actual gender identity. </quote> What? </quote> What was even remotely difficult to understand about my post? Explain how a man telling his son not to play with dolls is an example of toxic masculinity. If gender is a social construct, then a man saying that to his son has nothing to do with actual masculinity or femininity and is really just an example of social order enforcement.</quote> You are attempting to change the subject our discussion. If we look at gender as a social construct than masculinity and femininity are 100% completely arbitrary things.</quote> Well the same people who push the social construction theory also talk about toxic masculinity usually which has never made any remote amount of sense to me. Good on you for not buying that, but that was what the point I was trying to express was about mostly.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 04/29/18 11:12:19 PM #227:	IfGodCouldDie posted... Howl posted... Well the same people who push the social construction theory also talk about toxic masculinity usually which has never made any remote amount of sense to me. Good on you for not buying that, but that was what the point I was trying to express was about mostly. Ok fair enough. The fact of the matter is there definitive differences between the average female and the average male, but the belief that you have to act a specific way to be a "real" anything is absurd. Different people are different, and we we all just live and let live(within reason) and helped each other out when we could we all be much happier people. Agreed --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:900543297] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>IfGodCouldDie posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> Well the same people who push the social construction theory also talk about toxic masculinity usually which has never made any remote amount of sense to me. Good on you for not buying that, but that was what the point I was trying to express was about mostly.</quote> Ok fair enough. The fact of the matter is there definitive differences between the average female and the average male, but the belief that you have to act a specific way to be a "real" anything is absurd. Different people are different, and we we all just live and let live(within reason) and helped each other out when we could we all be much happier people.</quote> Agreed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 04/30/18 4:14:10 AM #228:	Aki_Narukami posted... its literally for wimpy males to use as an excuse women like masculine men Thankfully, not all of them. Though I've gotten the "you're masculine in your own way" speech. Sure, in the sense that Fred Rogers is masculine. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:900552028] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aki_Narukami posted...</cite> <quote>its literally for wimpy males to use as an excuse women like masculine men</quote> Thankfully, not all of them. Though I've gotten the "you're masculine in your own way" speech. Sure, in the sense that Fred Rogers is masculine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aki_Narukami 04/30/18 4:51:50 AM #229:	mr rogers is a chad <cite>Aki_Narukami posted [p:900552662] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote>mr rogers is a chad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 04/30/18 4:53:45 AM #230:	Make sense, please. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:900552688] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote>Make sense, please.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 04/30/18 6:37:34 AM #231:	Aki_Narukami posted... mr rogers is a chad If some crazy stories about him being a sexual predator came out, I would cry. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Howl posted [p:900554411] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aki_Narukami posted...</cite> <quote>mr rogers is a chad</quote> If some crazy stories about him being a sexual predator came out, I would cry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 04/30/18 6:50:00 AM #232:	Howl posted... Aki_Narukami posted... mr rogers is a chad If some crazy stories about him being a sexual predator came out, I would cry. People have tried to spread that rumor before. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:Paters1 IGN:SuperPattyCakes <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:900554613] in Who create... [t:76560625]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Aki_Narukami posted...</cite> <quote>mr rogers is a chad</quote> If some crazy stories about him being a sexual predator came out, I would cry.</quote> People have tried to spread that rumor before.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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