Board 8 > I saw Avengers...*spoilers*

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So Strange saw every possible outcome. We saw them ALMOST get the gauntlet off. In fact, it was in the process of coming off before Chris Pratt completely fucked up and woke up Thanos.

But by all means the plan SHOULD'VE worked, because had they gotten the gauntlet off as they were about too Strange could've easily just like banished the gauntlet to another dimension until Thanos was defeated or some magic bull

so my point is, if Strange knew every outcome and knew that they'd get so close only to have Chris Pratt ruin everything, why didn't he stop that from happening?
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Portal would probably start to close on Thanos and then get caught on him, unable to cut through him due to how durable he is
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Johnbobb posted...

so my point is, if Strange knew every outcome and knew that they'd get so close only to have Chris Pratt ruin everything, why didn't he stop that from happening?

Because honestly, even if they got the Gauntlet off of Thanos, he probably still kills all of them and takes it back. He wasn't even using the Gauntlet when he punched out Hulk in seconds flat. The timeline Strange saw only works if Thanos is allowed to win and Tony Stark lives.
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Johnbobb posted...

Another question:

So Strange saw every possible outcome. We saw them ALMOST get the gauntlet off. In fact, it was in the process of coming off before Chris Pratt completely fucked up and woke up Thanos.

But by all means the plan SHOULD'VE worked, because had they gotten the gauntlet off as they were about too Strange could've easily just like banished the gauntlet to another dimension until Thanos was defeated or some magic bull

so my point is, if Strange knew every outcome and knew that they'd get so close only to have Chris Pratt ruin everything, why didn't he stop that from happening?

Probably wasn't any way to do so. Have Mantis in his head, so she'd figure out Gamora died, and there probably just straight up wouldn't be any way to stop Star Lord from reacting like that.
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Because once you introduce a "one future" gimmick like that then every single thing that happens from then on has to be in service of that future so everything that happens can ultimately just come down to "that's how he saw it happen"
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I'm late but I was also spared.
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SupremeZero posted...

Probably wasn't any way to do so. Have Mantis in his head, so she'd figure out Gamora died, and there probably just straight up wouldn't be any way to stop Star Lord from reacting like that.

drop star lord into an endless pit like Loki in Ragnarok

Hell, do the same to Thanos as soon as he loses the gauntlet. Don't need to defeat him if he's in an endless void with no way out, since it never presents Thanos as having powers beyond "super fucking strong" and "whatever is on his gauntlet"
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I'm from Earth-2 so naturally I was spared.
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The universe that won probably needed stark alive and thanos having the gauntlet with the stones. At least the time stone

So quill screwing up was probably something that needed to happen, perhaps that's why he didn't intervene

But now that I think about it, then why did strange participate in the fight at all then?
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Heroic Bigpun posted...

But now that I think about it, then why did strange participate in the fight at all then?

If we accept that the future he saw involved Thanos getting all the stones and snapping out half the universe, it's probably fair to say the others wouldn't have even agreed to that. So he had to put up a fight just to keep up appearances.
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Because he saw himself fighting
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Another problem with the "one future" gimmick is that you can imagine all 14 million possibilities did actually happen in the multiverse, but the one we're being shown on screen is just the 1 where the avengers will eventually win

So it doesn't actually matter that Strange saw the future, or what Strange does, or what anyone else does to "stay on the timeline" - those millions of other failed timelines are just happening off screen and we will never see them

This is probably the best way to look at it too, since it maintains the individual agency of all characters (including Strange) so they aren't knowingly following a pre-written thread (even though that's literally what they are doing since it's a scripted movie)
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Is this the only Strange who looked ahead?
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Anagram posted...

http://www.didthanoskill.me/

Spared
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while we're on the subject, I will comment that I didn't like the whole looking to the Future thing. It just feels like it's a small step above strange just straight up reading the script to the movie.

Yes theres still struggles to be had, but it just feels cheap that there's one character that already knows the answer. Now I know maybe it can be said the same for most other stories but it wasn't pulled off well here
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Johnbobb posted...

SupremeZero posted...

Probably wasn't any way to do so. Have Mantis in his head, so she'd figure out Gamora died, and there probably just straight up wouldn't be any way to stop Star Lord from reacting like that.

drop star lord into an endless pit like Loki in Ragnarok

Hell, do the same to Thanos as soon as he loses the gauntlet. Don't need to defeat him if he's in an endless void with no way out, since it never presents Thanos as having powers beyond "super fucking strong" and "whatever is on his gauntlet"

If Strange could just drop people into voids whenever he wanted to while in the middle of combat, he would have done it at some point in the movie. The bit in Ragnarok was played for comedy and really shouldn't be taken that seriously.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Is this the only Strange who looked ahead?

Unless he told everyone else what happened then yes

And if Thanos is still alive you can assume he might have too since he has the time stone
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Anagram posted...

http://www.didthanoskill.me/

Aww it's just a javascript random answer (you can reroll by doing clearCookie() in the console)

I was thinking it looked at your IP address and let you die/live based on that, so that half of all IP addresses died
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foolm0r0n posted...

Anagram posted...

http://www.didthanoskill.me/

Aww it's just a javascript random answer (you can reroll by doing clearCookie() in the console)

I was thinking it looked at your IP address and let you die/live based on that, so that half of all IP addresses died

1 IP Address doesn't necessarily = 1 person, though.
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Just got out of the movie. I'm not sure what to feel.
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Close enough to sell the joke, better than a javascript random that refreshes every day at least
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I'm probably wrong, but my assumption was that Strange knows the basic "ending" so to speak and what's happening then/who is involved, and so on, and thus is basing his choices based on that.

Like, he probably didn't outright know their plan was gonna fail, but did know Thanos had the gauntlet in the correct "ending" that he saw, so once he saw how it was about to fail, he didn't try to stop Starlord because he figured "Ah, so that's how." Likewise, he probably saw Tony alive, and thus knew that if Tony is alive + Thanos has all the stones, then the right choice is trading the stone for Tony's life.
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I dont think you need to force things to match the one time line thing. It's honestly the most logical outcome.

Thanos is unbeatable. Thats the whole point. Even if they managed to get the gauntlet away from him, does that mean they win? He's just gonna get it back. Spidey got it off for just a second but Thanos woke up and took it back instantly and went back to owning everyone. If Spidey had gotten away with it, would that be a victory? I think it would just be delaying the inevitable. He's gonna get it back no matter what. Everyone in here is throwing out ideas about how Strange could "easily" cheese things with his abilities and win... but it's

The thing about viewing the future is that it makes Strange accept that they aren't going to win by beating Thanos. They can't. So it opens him up to trying something that goes against what he would naturally do, which is to protect the stone at all costs. He straight up says he would sacrifice Tony and Spidey to keep the stone safe, and he didn't change his mind on that.

It's a little cheap that he knows what the solution is, but its still interesting that he's actually trying to do it. Normies like fool probably don't know Stranges end game but it's a very counter intuitive thing to try to do. That's what makes it cool. And he doesn't actually know for sure that he's made things go exactly as they need to. He's dead, after all. He's just taken a chance.

The one wrinkle in this though is that they made Thor strong enough to beat him. So logically there must have been a way to win actually. But oh well. That made it rather bittersweet when Thor fails to prevent the snap, since he actually could have done it.
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One thing i would keep in mind is strange didn't see all outcomes... Just a lot of them. Likely he checked a hell of a lot of brute force methods first. Give stone to Thanos and have stark alive were not exactly high priorities to him. I mean, yes he knows how they win, that doesn't make it the only way, just the only way he came up with. But you only need one.

Also Thor being able to beat him is not necessarily true. Or even if he can, you still have a very intact infinity gauntlet just sitting there. Maybe things go bad or worse if that is still out there(the current exploded status of the gauntlet feels important).

They nerfed the Gauntlet a ltitle too much (Stormbreaker piercing the infinite beam was 'lol') but other than that I had little problem with the scaling.
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Grand Kirby posted...

IW takes place 4 years after GotG2, so there's enough time to have ways for Kraglin to be off somewhere else.

Actually, it's kind of funny to think that apparently nothing interesting happened to the Guardians in those years. They had two great big adventures and then just kind of chilled out until Thanos started getting to work.

I kind of wish they'd shown up with a new member. Four years and they made no new friends?
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

Four years and they made no new friends?

What do you call Thor/
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

Grand Kirby posted...

IW takes place 4 years after GotG2, so there's enough time to have ways for Kraglin to be off somewhere else.

Actually, it's kind of funny to think that apparently nothing interesting happened to the Guardians in those years. They had two great big adventures and then just kind of chilled out until Thanos started getting to work.

I kind of wish they'd shown up with a new member. Four years and they made no new friends?

They have a penchant for being assholes and fucking people over. Is it really that surprising?

yea Rocket alone probably nixes most potential new recruits
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Who would they even get? Quasar? Adam Warlock? Nova?!

I mean yeah those folks would help out a lot against Thanos
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Hey here's a question

So in the Infinity Gauntlet comic, the three most important protagonists were Dr. Strange, Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer

Obviously there are a lot of changes being made, but Dr. Strange being a major part of the anti-Thanos team seems consistent (even if he's dead now) and it seems like Captain Marvel is going to be taking the place of Adam Warlock.

But now Disney will own film rights to Silver Surfer, so anyone think there's a chance of him appearing in the next Avengers to help fight Thanos? They might've acquired the rights too late (as I assume most filming is finished already) but it'd be cool to at least see a brief appearance by him
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Disney wont have those rights for a couple more years at least.

Leafeon13N posted...

Disney wont have those rights for a couple more years at least.

oh really? wasn't sure how that'd work

a cameo would still be cool if they could make it happen
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Johnbobb posted...

Leafeon13N posted...

Disney wont have those rights for a couple more years at least.

oh really? wasn't sure how that'd work

a cameo would still be cool if they could make it happen

They probably COULD, but it likely wouldn't be worth the effort and money.
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Surfer isn't showing up until Galactus shows up. Marvel will clearly want a do-over on that story since they weren't involved in the first iteration.
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obviously surfer is the post credits scene, setting up a future appearance of Galactus

they can just paint Doug Jones silver and throw him on a green screen for a couple minutes, no problem.
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I don't know if they'll do another space threat so soon after Thanos.
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Anagram posted...

I don't know if they'll do another space threat so soon after Thanos.

Technically they will for Guardians of the Galaxy, but if you mean Avengers only, you're probably right. I predict we're going to see some combination of the following in the next couple phases:
-Doctor Doom
-Namor
-Magneto
-AvX
-Mephisto
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Magneto raises the more important question of how they'd integrate mutants into the MCU, and also of how they'll retcon the Inhumans from having ever happened.
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They should flip everything and make Magneto Wanda's son
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"Oh darn all the Inhumans were wiped out when Thanos snapped his fingers"

"Wait but I thought it was only ha-"

"OH DARN ALL THE INHUMANS WERE WIPED OUT"
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I just want Thanos to whisper "More Mutants".

Also, the best way to do it right now is an immediate integration featuring Nick Fury. Fury could have covered up the various events over the years and when Magneto murders the Inhumans or something, it all spills out and we see the world turn against Nick Fury in a big way. It's a great way to either send Fury away from the MCU permanently or to give him a more conflicted, gray role in the universe. Revealing one of the major roles of SHIELD was to protect mutantkind would also explain why HYDRA got a hold of two powerful mutants.
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I thought Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in the MCU had their powers because HYDRA experimented on them?
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Anagram posted...

Magneto raises the more important question of how they'd integrate mutants into the MCU, and also of how they'll retcon the Inhumans from having ever happened.

They'll probably do the same "they were always around, just very well-hidden" that they did with Ant-Man and now Captain Marvel.
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Anagram posted...

Magneto raises the more important question of how they'd integrate mutants into the MCU, and also of how they'll retcon the Inhumans from having ever happened.

They'll probably do the same "they were always around, just very well-hidden" that they did with Ant-Man and now Captain Marvel.

I don't know that Captain Marvel was hidden so much as "Somewhere else entirely in the galaxy", most likely.
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Anagram posted...

I thought Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in the MCU had their powers because HYDRA experimented on them?

Specifically experiments with the Mind Stone.

But all they gotta do there is say mutants were always around but rare and that the Mind Stone jump started their X-Genes.
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

They'll probably do the same "they were always around, just very well-hidden" that they did with Ant-Man and now Captain Marvel.

But the whole point of the X-men is that they are part of normal society
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SupremeZero posted...

I don't know that Captain Marvel was hidden so much as "Somewhere else entirely in the galaxy", most likely.

The premise is that aliens invaded Earth in the 90s during a war, and the whole thing was covered up.
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foolm0r0n posted...

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

They'll probably do the same "they were always around, just very well-hidden" that they did with Ant-Man and now Captain Marvel.

But the whole point of the X-men is that they are part of normal society

Have you read any old X-Men comics? Or Ultimate X-Men?
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I've never read any comics. How do the X-Men fit in with the normal Marvel universe? I thought the big thing with X-Men is that mutants are discriminated against, but then for some reason that doesn't apply to "normal" superheroes who should be hated for similar reasons. How does that work?
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