Poll of the Day > According to stats, LIBERTARIANS generally vote CONSERVATIVE over LIBERAL..Why?.

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libertarians always tout themselves as "middle of the ground" voters who say they are left when it comes to social issues but right when it comes to economic issues..

but polls show that these libertarians always vote conservative, 80% of the time over the liberal candidate anyway....

Why do you think this is?

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Besides a handful of social issues I don't think Libertarians have anything in common with Democrats. They hate social programs and corporate regulations.
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Selfishness.
Same driver behind most voters' choices.

They care about rights for gays, minorities, immigrants, and (basic, Constitutionally-granted rights) for those accused/convicted of crimes. They want a separation of church and state. so that government isn't forcing one religion's morals down everyone's throats.

...But, like the U.S. population in general, most of them are white, straight, Christian, native-born, and never been accused of a crime or gotten personally shaken down by asset forfeiture schemes. All that stuff never has a negative impact on them personally.
While as increasing taxes to pay for safety net programs does directly affect them.

It is surprising that they don't throw a much larger fit over Republicans' hawkish policies, considering the insane amount we spend on the military-industrial complex. Currently, they'll whine and cry about it, then pick the guy w/ the R next to his name anyway.

ron paul used to be the tea party
no one would show up to his tent while rallies were going on, everyone would rather see the republicans or dems so his little gatherings with friends they'd call a tea party
then over the years his son rand paul became involved and the term took on a completely different meaning, owning itself to guns, whatever crazy state's rights they could come up with to seem free while being the exact opposite, making everyone a criminal
Rand paul is a nice guy though, he dissents a lot with the rest of congress but the tea party movement led to the GOP we have today and both rand and ron sometimes have these wild conspiracy theories about the gold standard that don't really mean much
also liberals aren't really liberal either
they're behind every ban, seizure in the last 20 years
can hardly call a dem liberal

Probably because Democrats like Hillary Clinton support tons of policies that fly in the face of Libertarianism. Libertarians are for less government, unlike the Democrats, and the Republicans claim to be for less government, hence why Libertarians tend to fall that way more often than not.
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Libertarians are closer to anarchists, so destroying the federal government is pretty appealing more so than defending the rights of groups they don't necessarily fall in themselves.

mrduckbear posted...

but polls show that these libertarians always vote conservative, 80% of the time over the liberal candidate anyway....

....economic issues, duh. Both parties are restrictive on social issues, but Democrats are also restrictive on trade, promote higher taxes, and push entitlements.

streamofthesky posted...

...But, like the U.S. population in general, most of them are white, straight, Christian, native-born, and never been accused of a crime or gotten personally shaken down by asset forfeiture schemes. All that stuff never has a negative impact on them personally.
While as increasing taxes to pay for safety net programs does directly affect them.

They literally don't want safety programs either way. It's not a matter of programs benefiting them. And the rest is just outright falsehoods. Libertarians are AGAINST civil forfeiture, for starters. As for religion, Democrats are as likely (or more so) to be Christian than Libertarians.

Also, it's ironic that you tout "selfishness" when it comes to people not wanting to part with their money but not for people who want to take other peoples' money so they don't have to work.
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Zeus posted...

streamofthesky posted...

...But, like the U.S. population in general, most of them are white, straight, Christian, native-born, and never been accused of a crime or gotten personally shaken down by asset forfeiture schemes. All that stuff never has a negative impact on them personally.
While as increasing taxes to pay for safety net programs does directly affect them.

They literally don't want safety programs either way. It's not a matter of programs benefiting them. And the rest is just outright falsehoods. Libertarians are AGAINST civil forfeiture, for starters. As for religion, Democrats are as likely (or more so) to be Christian than Libertarians.

Also, it's ironic that you tout "selfishness" when it comes to people not wanting to part with their money but not for people who want to take other peoples' money so they don't have to work.

Ok, you didn't understand the words that I typed, so I'll break it down for you.

When I was listing stuff that Libertarians don't really speak up about nearly as much as they do taxes, like asset forfeiture and the unconstitutional treatment of the accused, because it doesn't affect most of them....I'm saying they're against those things (otherwise why would I be mentioning them) and am only highlighting those issues to demonstrate the clear discrepancy in priorities all these right-leaning libertarians have. Being taxed "heavily" is a bigger issue to them than that stuff, based on their voting record.
When I said "While as increasing taxes to pay for safety net programs does directly affect them," it meant "negatively affects them." Anyone with basic reading comprehension or lacking a complete desire to try and misrepresent the statement would know that, so I'm not surprised you failed to.

While no pure libertarian (not many people are 100% "pure" towards an ideology), I consider myself fairly strongly libertarian-leaning, though mostly on the civil liberties side of things. Because....however hysterical you get about being "screwed by the government" for having to pay more in taxes, that doesn't even come close to...say...never being charged with a crime yet having all your cash stolen and having to go to court to fight to get it back, or having a DA looking to build a tough on crime rep putting an innocent man behind bars for 20 years.
Your pal trump is a big fan of civil asset forfeiture, btw. Obama was trying to reform it at the federal level, but Trump's administration has undone all of that: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/sessions-forfeiture-justice-department-civil/534168/

Because libertarian isn't the same shit as liberal. Libertarian is conservative lite basically.
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