Current Events > Fat acceptance is an insidious cancer upon society

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MC_BatCommander posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

I say if their brains are incapable of reconciling short term pleasure reward versus long term health, then maybe those brains don't deserve to continue existing.

what the holy fuck

Yeah I don't even know. I'd comment on that but I'd just get suspended because gamefaqs has more tolerance for posts like that than name calling

Clear has really gone off the deep end as of late

Please by all means give me your suggestion on what should be the end result of people that are simply incapable of not killing themselves through obesity?

And I'll make this abundantly clear: food addiction is not remotely comparable to hard drugs where there are physical withdrawal symptoms and stronger addictive properties.

The way I see it is society exists in its current state, some people are incapable of being healthy and are killing themselves through overeating, so there are a few options:

1. Heavily regulate food industries to protect people from themselves

2. Set up a system to find these people and help them (I'm in favor of this)

3. Do nothing about the situation and they end up killing themselves. Which would be social darwinism.

I'm not saying kill all fat people, I'm saying that are we responsible for saving them? Eating is one of the few things humans have complete autonomy over, so it's a question of do we need to heavily regulate markets or force them to be healthier? Maybe, like the 600lb Amazon Shampoo lady that wants to be 800lbs, these self destructive people just need to run their own course.

Conflict posted...

You just keep digging yourself into a deeper hole

Still no actual response. Not surprised.

300,000 Americans die each year directly from obesity. Sparing people's health for their "feelings" isn't helping any. It's funny to me because people rarely show this compassion for smokers. Somehow fat acceptance has told people it's okay to gorge on donuts all day.

Clear please fuck off and seek help
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What we should do is continue to study how the brain works so that we can better understand the precise mechanisms at play and the best ways to encourage desired behavior as a result, as well as use the same information to help identify areas of society which may encourage the negative behavior.

clearaflagrantj posted...

And I'll make this abundantly clear: food addiction is not remotely comparable to hard drugs where there are physical withdrawal symptoms and stronger addictive properties.

why not? if anything, isn't succumbing to an addiction to something you don't even actually need much worse than eating too many donuts because you had awful parents that didn't understand nutrition and lived in a country where consumerism and subsidizing y00g corporations at the expense of people is the norm?
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fat people continue to raise our health insurance premiums smh
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Its a bit odd seeing a topic like this come from RebelElite.

What's odd about it is that this movement is overwhelmingly associated with the left. So if it's too far left for Rebel, who is already pretty far left, that speaks volume to how far the left has gone.

Really? Wasn't it Palin and crowd saying the government shouldn't dictate what and how people eat?

How does the right think we should control what people eat? And how small is that government?
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@scar_the_1 posted...

BMI feels like a silly way to motivate someone's bad health. It's a measure designed for population studies rather than individuals. If an individual is obese, there are other ways to detect that.

Furthermore, BMI in itself doesn't increase the risk of dying early (at least in old people). Other things like being immobile, smoking, drinking, etc do. A person with high BMI that leads a healthy life won't die sooner than someone with low BMI doing the same thing.

Insurance companies disagree with you.
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Ruvan22 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Its a bit odd seeing a topic like this come from RebelElite.

What's odd about it is that this movement is overwhelmingly associated with the left. So if it's too far left for Rebel, who is already pretty far left, that speaks volume to how far the left has gone.

Really? Wasn't it Palin and crowd saying the government shouldn't dictate what and how people eat?

I don't think the government should dictate what people eat. Doesn't change that it seems to be the far left / SJWs who are most often doing this fat activism bullshit.
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Drpooplol posted...

scar_the_1 posted...

BMI feels like a silly way to motivate someone's bad health. It's a measure designed for population studies rather than individuals. If an individual is obese, there are other ways to detect that.

Furthermore, BMI in itself doesn't increase the risk of dying early (at least in old people). Other things like being immobile, smoking, drinking, etc do. A person with high BMI that leads a healthy life won't die sooner than someone with low BMI doing the same thing.

Insurance companies disagree with you.

Ok. My colleague is a researcher in statistics and he's been doing a population study on this to determine the effect exercise has on people's life expectancy. I'll take his results over insurance companies' opinions.
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But why
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Drpooplol posted...

But why

Because insurance companies do whatever they can get away with to make money?
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Don't be a dick, but don't lie and say obesity is a disease and these people have no control over what they eat/not exercising. It's bs.
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https://stateofobesity.org/adult-obesity/

This is just adults, doesn't take children (preteens/teens) into consideration. Colorado has the lowest rate among adults, with a 22.3% obesity rate, so that is still over 1 in ever 5 people. The highest rate is in Mississippi with a rate of 37.3%, which is almost one in every 4 people..

It's proven that obesity isn't necessarily a death sentence on it's own, it does lead to a myriad of other health risks, like diabetes, heart complications, cancer, stroke, clogged arteries, etc.

So when you take that into consideration, it's really hard to grasp that people actually promote being fat as healthy.
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scar the 1 posted...

Drpooplol posted...

But why

Because insurance companies do whatever they can get away with to make money?

but they still want to make sales #1, and overcharging for BMI is a tactic I don't think would work in a market that has extremely thin margins and has pretty heavy competition.
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Fat acceptance only promotes bad health decisions, poor eatting habits, and not taking care of yourself.
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Drpooplol posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Drpooplol posted...

But why

Because insurance companies do whatever they can get away with to make money?

but they still want to make sales #1, and overcharging for BMI is a tactic I don't think would work in a market that has extremely thin margins and has pretty heavy competition.

So what are you saying? That the population study is wrong and BMI is actually strongly correlated with shortened lifespan?
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Kind of funny how the same people who want Japanese style gun control don't want Japanese style fat shaming.
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Your attitude seems a bit toxic, TC. People can be healthy at every size, and the world needs to accept that. For instance, my doctor did not express concern about my 34+ BMI.
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scar the 1 posted...

Drpooplol posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Drpooplol posted...

But why

Because insurance companies do whatever they can get away with to make money?

but they still want to make sales #1, and overcharging for BMI is a tactic I don't think would work in a market that has extremely thin margins and has pretty heavy competition.

So what are you saying? That the population study is wrong and BMI is actually strongly correlated with shortened lifespan?

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what population study you're referring to here.
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Drpooplol posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Drpooplol posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Drpooplol posted...

But why

Because insurance companies do whatever they can get away with to make money?

but they still want to make sales #1, and overcharging for BMI is a tactic I don't think would work in a market that has extremely thin margins and has pretty heavy competition.

So what are you saying? That the population study is wrong and BMI is actually strongly correlated with shortened lifespan?

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what population study you're referring to here.

It's an on-going study that my colleague is part of:
https://snacsweden.wordpress.com/om-snac/
So I've taken part of some results so far. I could elaborate, but it sort of depends on if you're interested. Because I have no publication to show you, you might just wanna dismiss it all anyway?
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Oh i thought you were just referring to the effects of exercise. Sure if you'd like, explain away. I'd like to learn something this morning :)
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How did part of this topic degenerate into Left vs Right politics over fat acceptance...?

There's angry fatties all across the American political spectrum.
An obese person holding a bucket of KFC while riding a scooter through a Walmart might as well be our national animal.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

COVxy posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

Im not talking about behavioral reasons.

We're talking biological mechanisms here.

Well then boo hoo, let's thin the herd of people that are too fucking weak to lose weight. We're not saying they have to run a marathon, just that they need to stick less candy and soda down their fucking mouths.

I get it, obesity is out of control because food companies realize that most humans are fucking weak and will destroy their own bodies with donuts. Sugar is prevalent in the grocery store, fine, but at the end of the day every human is an individual that was given one body, the one thing they have complete control over. If they are too fucking weak to defer the short term pleasure of giving into their sugar cravings so they can enjoy long term health, maybe that weak person deserves to have shitty health and be obese.

Wow. It's like looking back at my angry 15 year old self. I understand the cringe meme now, eugh.
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ClockworkHare posted...

How did part of this topic degenerate into Left vs Right politics over fat acceptance...?

It's CE. Everything is always magically "Us vs. Them".
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Drpooplol posted...

Oh i thought you were just referring to the effects of exercise. Sure if you'd like, explain away. I'd like to learn something this morning :)

That was the purpose of the study. But to determine the effects of exercise, they tracked tons and tons of different behaviors.
Essentially, what they did (and are doing) is ask every patient over 55 a range of questions and doing some simple tests. They do this over a number of years, and based on when people die they can do some statistical mumbo jumbo to determine correlation between individual variables and shorter/longer life span than the average.

There was a number of interesting findings. One of them was that BMI wasn't strongly correlated with shorter or longer life span. Their guess is that this is because if someone is fat and dies early, it's because they have some additional complication like poor mobility, disease etc. So just BMI on its own is not a risk.
Some other interesting findings include single women living longer lives and single men much shorter. Probably because of gender norms and how that affects domestic work. Exercise was shown to be good, but only light exercise like 1-2 times a week. Beyond that there was no discernible advantage, and far beyond it it's even detrimental. Smoking and drinking were naturally some of the biggest negatives.
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McDonalds must LOVE people like her.

scar the 1 posted...

Essentially, what they did (and are doing) is ask every patient over 55 a range of questions

Self reported = useless

Do you think the census is useless?
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>didn't read through the topic just the title

Is rebel really against fat acceptance? I thought he the type who would be all for it
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scar the 1 posted...

Their guess is that this is because if someone is fat and dies early, it's because they have some additional complication like poor mobility, disease etc. So just BMI on its own is not a risk.

Being fat makes you less mobile and more sick
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clearaflagrantj posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Essentially, what they did (and are doing) is ask every patient over 55 a range of questions

Self reported = useless

Nope. Those questions are quite innocent like "do you smoke?", "do you drink?" etc. And they're complemented by health check ups.
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Trayvon posted...

>didn't read through the topic just the title

Is rebel really against fat acceptance? I thought he the type who would be all for it

Shut the fuck up
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