Current Events > Fat acceptance is an insidious cancer upon society

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ASithLord7 posted...

Not all fat people have a food addiction or other type of eating disorder. Those that do are in the small minority, unless you think such things just happen to be more common in America than elsewhere

so..... no?
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Conflict posted...

So I suppose you can answer @COVxy 's question about the complexities of the signaling pathways for eating and drinking behavior then?

Fucking simple, reward system in the brain is the same for drugs, sugar, money, massages, puppies, fucking whatever. If it feels good your brain sends signals saying it's good. No shit.

The difference is that there are no withdrawal symptoms for sugar, the addictive properties of drugs is much harder. To suggest that sugar is as addictive as cocaine, meth, alcohol, or tobacco is an absurd excuse. Alcoholics drink alcohol because they will die if they don't, fat people eat donuts because they are weak.

I don't understand it myself. It's not hard to eat healthy and work out.
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Its a bit odd seeing a topic like this come from RebelElite.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

If someone wants to be fat but they also understand the negative health concerns that come with it, so be it. There is absolutely no reason to treat them as a lesser person.

That's not quite true. Obesity is the single biggest impact to our health system, representing around 20% of our yearly healthcare expenditures and growing. It's literally weighing down the system for everyone else, and possibly costing us the opportunity to start rolling out universal healthcare with no additional increase in taxes.

These "fat activists" need to be mocked and slapped with evidence until they rescind their incorrect worldview.
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pikachupwnage posted...

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

There are some of us who like being fat as well, It's totally wrong and shouldn't be encouraged, but if we want to kill ourselves then that's a risk we take really.

No you fucking don't. You don't want to be 350lbs, you don't want to be confined to a fucking bed, you don't want your bones and organs crushed under the weight of your fat.

You want to be healthy, you want to be able to walk without being winded, you want to live past the age of fucking forty.

Classic fox and the grapes situation you got going for yourself. It's absolutely absurd, delusional, and dangerous

Your right, 350 is way way too low, I would love to be over 800 if I had my way, It's the biggest turn on I could ever think of. The only reason I am not is I am scared of death, I accept that as a whale I will totally not make it past 50, That's just a fact of life, But being winded with very little movement is actually also a turn on, as well as any comments I would get from that.

You would love Kipteiteis works.

But sometimes you gotta confine fetishes to fapping to some deviants work. Stick to fantasy and living viscerally through television about fat people instead of destroying your life. Therapy would be a better option though.

Lack of mobility is absolutely horrible.

http://www.thisisinsider.com/woman-found-maggots-in-skin-my-600-lb-life-2018-2

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5524413/Bedridden-obese-woman-rotten-legs-infested-maggots.html

https://www.theroot.com/too-fat-to-be-saved-500-pound-teen-dies-in-fire-1790881007

The thing is, I was at the 600 pound mark not too long ago and I was totally mobile, It think there is a bit of a difference between just being super lazy and gluttonous and actively making meal plans and sticking to them to gain weight while keeping cholesterol and sodium intake at a low.

Not under any delusions that what I do is not super unhealthy, I think the Healthy at every size thing is beyond stupid. As well as I know I would not be capable of doing this if I didn't have some sort of crazy mental issue, but I work full time, often over full time as my job has a lot to take care of.

I walk at least 4 miles to and from work each day, and I make sure to check my blood pressure every week as well as go in for regular checkups with my doctor monthly.

I don't expect anyone to understand, and I am totally ok with being a freak in all this, It's accurate, and I know most of you guys are just concerned with my health, but I know I will die early, and I have made peace with that.

iPhone_7 posted...

Its a bit odd seeing a topic like this come from RebelElite.

What's odd about it is that this movement is overwhelmingly associated with the left. So if it's too far left for Rebel, who is already pretty far left, that speaks volume to how far the left has gone.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

I'm sure its already been discussed but I think people need to understand the difference between "Acceptance" and "not being an asshole"...For myself its not about "Accepting" people who are overweight as Healthy....its just about not being an asshole to them for no reason. A lot of overweight people are shamed and made fun of and the ones who do that do so in under the guise of "I'm just trying to help them man its not healthy!"....Nah, you're just being an asshole for no reason...

If someone wants to be fat but they also understand the negative health concerns that come with it, so be it. There is absolutely no reason to treat them as a lesser person. Save for a few crazies there really aren't many people who think overweight is healthy. There are better ways to get that point across. it just seems like the ones who hate "fat acceptance" aren't using those better ways and are instead just being assholes.

I would argue one has a moral imperative to be healthy(as much as is reasonably controllable. Obviously its not a moral failing if you get hit by a stray bullet from a gang shooting or are born with a serious heart defect or anything) for the sake of family/friends, your own personally health and dignity and putting a lesser burden on the healthcare system.

Plus in a socialized healthcare setting you are wasting taxpayer dollars(and even in a non fully socialized system you still might be on something like Medicaid or driving up insurance costs)

Doesnt have to mean you are a bad person or deserve to be treated as subhuman scum by everyone but it is morally wrong to be obese.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

If someone wants to be fat but they also understand the negative health concerns that come with it, so be it. There is absolutely no reason to treat them as a lesser person.

That's not quite true. Obesity is the single biggest impact to our health system, representing around 20% of our yearly healthcare expenditures and growing. It's literally weighing down the system for everyone else, and possibly costing us the opportunity to start rolling out universal healthcare with no additional increase in taxes.

These "fat activists" need to be mocked and slapped with evidence until they rescind their incorrect worldview.

...so that means you need to treat them as lesser of a person?

I ask because that's what you quoted and then said "That's not true" to.
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Amazon_Shampoo posted...

I was at the 600 pound mark not too long ago and I was totally mobile,

Yeah maybe if the prince from Katamari Damacy is rolling you around. How fucking fast could you run a 5k? How high could you jump? I'm not buying this shit.

Twin3Turbo posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

If someone wants to be fat but they also understand the negative health concerns that come with it, so be it. There is absolutely no reason to treat them as a lesser person.

That's not quite true. Obesity is the single biggest impact to our health system, representing around 20% of our yearly healthcare expenditures and growing. It's literally weighing down the system for everyone else, and possibly costing us the opportunity to start rolling out universal healthcare with no additional increase in taxes.

These "fat activists" need to be mocked and slapped with evidence until they rescind their incorrect worldview.

...so that means you need to treat them as lesser of a person?

I ask because that's what you quoted and then said "That's not true" to.

I mean do you consider mocking someone's beliefs to be treating them as lesser of a person? We might need to resort to shaming in order to curb the problem, because other things clearly aren't working.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Conflict posted...

So I suppose you can answer @COVxy 's question about the complexities of the signaling pathways for eating and drinking behavior then?

Fucking simple, reward system in the brain is the same for drugs, sugar, money, massages, puppies, fucking whatever. If it feels good your brain sends signals saying it's good. No shit.

The difference is that there are no withdrawal symptoms for sugar, the addictive properties of drugs is much harder. To suggest that sugar is as addictive as cocaine, meth, alcohol, or tobacco is an absurd excuse. Alcoholics drink alcohol because they will die if they don't, fat people eat donuts because they are weak.

Lmao.

You are woefully misinformed.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

I was at the 600 pound mark not too long ago and I was totally mobile,

Yeah maybe if the prince from Katamari Damacy is rolling you around. How fucking fast could you run a 5k? How high could you jump? I'm not buying this shit.

rofl i'm dead
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COVxy posted...

Lmao.

You are woefully misinformed.

Fantastic counterargument from the King of Pseudoscience

COVxy posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Conflict posted...

So I suppose you can answer @COVxy 's question about the complexities of the signaling pathways for eating and drinking behavior then?

Fucking simple, reward system in the brain is the same for drugs, sugar, money, massages, puppies, fucking whatever. If it feels good your brain sends signals saying it's good. No shit.

The difference is that there are no withdrawal symptoms for sugar, the addictive properties of drugs is much harder. To suggest that sugar is as addictive as cocaine, meth, alcohol, or tobacco is an absurd excuse. Alcoholics drink alcohol because they will die if they don't, fat people eat donuts because they are weak.

Lmao.

You are woefully misinformed.

"Fuck maybe if I just KEEP ON ASSERTING things people will believe I have a PhD!!!!!1111"
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

If someone wants to be fat but they also understand the negative health concerns that come with it, so be it. There is absolutely no reason to treat them as a lesser person.

That's not quite true. Obesity is the single biggest impact to our health system, representing around 20% of our yearly healthcare expenditures and growing. It's literally weighing down the system for everyone else, and possibly costing us the opportunity to start rolling out universal healthcare with no additional increase in taxes.

These "fat activists" need to be mocked and slapped with evidence until they rescind their incorrect worldview.

...so that means you need to treat them as lesser of a person?

I ask because that's what you quoted and then said "That's not true" to.

I mean do you consider mocking someone's beliefs to be treating them as lesser of a person? We might need to resort to shaming in order to curb the problem, because other things clearly aren't working.

We aren't talking about beliefs here. We are talking about treating someone as lesser because you don't like what they look like.

And lol, we've been shaming fat people since forever and "clearly thats not working" so I'm not sure why you're suggesting it. This whole fat acceptance thing is pretty much a reaction to the constant shaming.
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I'm all for not being an asshole to fat people just because they are fat, but the narrative of fat being perfectly healthy is a god damn joke. If you get winded by going up 5 stairs then you're unhealthy.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

COVxy posted...

Lmao.

You are woefully misinformed.

Fantastic counterargument from the King of Pseudoscience

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N4S88Wg-E9vYSkJwLYps4iXqWHLrqPLj/view?usp=sharing

Here, read up, even though I know you won't.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

If someone wants to be fat but they also understand the negative health concerns that come with it, so be it. There is absolutely no reason to treat them as a lesser person.

That's not quite true. Obesity is the single biggest impact to our health system, representing around 20% of our yearly healthcare expenditures and growing. It's literally weighing down the system for everyone else, and possibly costing us the opportunity to start rolling out universal healthcare with no additional increase in taxes.

These "fat activists" need to be mocked and slapped with evidence until they rescind their incorrect worldview.

...so that means you need to treat them as lesser of a person?

I ask because that's what you quoted and then said "That's not true" to.

I mean do you consider mocking someone's beliefs to be treating them as lesser of a person? We might need to resort to shaming in order to curb the problem, because other things clearly aren't working.

We aren't talking about beliefs here. We are talking about treating someone as lesser because you don't like what they look like.

And lol, we've been shaming fat people since forever and "clearly thats not working" so I'm not sure why you're suggesting it. This whole fat acceptance thing is pretty much a reaction to the constant shaming.

Tbh it seems like the whales are banding together and saying shit like "fat is healthy" because no one wants to bang them and they want to redefine what beauty is, not because of any exorbitant amount of shaming.

If you go on these whales' twitter pages, what you'll mostly see is a vast sea of other whales giving these comments likes and retweets, with the shaming being quite scant if it's even there at all.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Amazon_Shampoo posted...

I was at the 600 pound mark not too long ago and I was totally mobile,

Yeah maybe if the prince from Katamari Damacy is rolling you around. How fucking fast could you run a 5k? How high could you jump? I'm not buying this shit.

That's awesome! Plus would allow me to get bigger easier.

Na, I would not be running any 5K, but I don't know a lot of people who hold an office job who would be able to either. I could walk it, but running would be foolish as that much weight would just kill my joints even more then my normal low impact exercise normally does. I'm stupid as hell, but that's a line I wouldn't even cross.

Jumping same thing, No one should ever try to force all that weight down all at once on their knees and ankles.

I walk, I bike, I Swim, and I dance, That's pretty much it when it comes to exercise. Although I actually did start to get into weight lifting a little bit, but I'm weak as hell and am only doing reps with 2 pound weights at the moment, but a girl I am friends with has been giving me some awesome advice on a routine that i'm having a lot of fun with.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

COVxy posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Conflict posted...

So I suppose you can answer @COVxy 's question about the complexities of the signaling pathways for eating and drinking behavior then?

Fucking simple, reward system in the brain is the same for drugs, sugar, money, massages, puppies, fucking whatever. If it feels good your brain sends signals saying it's good. No shit.

The difference is that there are no withdrawal symptoms for sugar, the addictive properties of drugs is much harder. To suggest that sugar is as addictive as cocaine, meth, alcohol, or tobacco is an absurd excuse. Alcoholics drink alcohol because they will die if they don't, fat people eat donuts because they are weak.

Lmao.

You are woefully misinformed.

"Fuck maybe if I just KEEP ON ASSERTING things people will believe I have a PhD!!!!!1111"

I mean, it is silly to act like physical dependence is the primary driver of addictive behavior, which is what clear just did

the physical dependence/fact of withdrawal symptoms from alcohol that might potentially lead death means you might need the added medical complexity of detoxing, but it isn't an explanation of what drives the behavior

though, you guys are also on to something with the fact that social acceptability is an issue. I think you need it to be more generalized than for just fat people, though. cigarettes are one of the hardest addictions to actually quit because it is relatively socially acceptable to smoke (vs. nodding off in public from heroin or being shitty drunk in public, though to be clear alcohol is also hard because it is socially acceptable and very common too)

so maybe if we start relentlessly shaming people who eat unhealthy food (fat or not) we could make a difference. I'm just skeptical that isolated incidences of meanness towards fatties is gonna work
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iPhone_7 posted...

Its a bit odd seeing a topic like this come from RebelElite.

I dont like pseudoscience or the acceptance of unhealthy lifestyles
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COVxy posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

COVxy posted...

Lmao.

You are woefully misinformed.

Fantastic counterargument from the King of Pseudoscience

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N4S88Wg-E9vYSkJwLYps4iXqWHLrqPLj/view?usp=sharing

Here, read up, even though I know you won't.

Which sections / page numbers say what you want him to read?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Which sections / page numbers say what you want him to read?

The entire review, as it is a complex subject and this review is only on the specific subject that he wants to claim is so simple he can make a lay psychological assessment in a single post.
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Balrog0 posted...

I mean, it is silly to act like physical dependence is the primary driver of addictive behavior, which is what clear just did

the physical dependence/fact of withdrawal symptoms from alcohol that might potentially lead death means you might need the added medical complexity of detoxing, but it isn't an explanation of what drives the behavior

though, you guys are also on to something with the fact that social acceptability is an issue. I think you need it to be more generalized than for just fat people, though. cigarettes are one of the hardest addictions to actually quit because it is relatively socially acceptable to smoke (vs. nodding off in public from heroin or being s***ty drunk in public)

so maybe if we start relentlessly shaming people who eat unhealthy food (fat or not) we could make a difference. I'm just skeptical that isolated incidences of meanness towards fatties is gonna work

The problem isn't even a shaming epidemic. The problem right now is the rampant acceptance and normalization of being fat, as a response to obesity ramping up at such a degree that we'll probably bankrupt ourselves trying to fight it with dollars if we don't do something fast.
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COVxy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Which sections / page numbers say what you want him to read?

The entire review, as it is a complex subject and this review is only on the specific subject that he wants to claim is so simple he can make a lay psychological assessment in a single post.

lol that's what i thought
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

COVxy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Which sections / page numbers say what you want him to read?

The entire review, as it is a complex subject and this review is only on the specific subject that he wants to claim is so simple he can make a lay psychological assessment in a single post.

lol that's what i thought

I don't know why you think this is some sort of win lol.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

If someone wants to be fat but they also understand the negative health concerns that come with it, so be it. There is absolutely no reason to treat them as a lesser person.

That's not quite true. Obesity is the single biggest impact to our health system, representing around 20% of our yearly healthcare expenditures and growing. It's literally weighing down the system for everyone else, and possibly costing us the opportunity to start rolling out universal healthcare with no additional increase in taxes.

These "fat activists" need to be mocked and slapped with evidence until they rescind their incorrect worldview.

...so that means you need to treat them as lesser of a person?

I ask because that's what you quoted and then said "That's not true" to.

I mean do you consider mocking someone's beliefs to be treating them as lesser of a person? We might need to resort to shaming in order to curb the problem, because other things clearly aren't working.

We aren't talking about beliefs here. We are talking about treating someone as lesser because you don't like what they look like.

And lol, we've been shaming fat people since forever and "clearly thats not working" so I'm not sure why you're suggesting it. This whole fat acceptance thing is pretty much a reaction to the constant shaming.

Tbh it seems like the whales are banding together and saying shit like "fat is healthy" because no one wants to bang them and they want to redefine what beauty is, not because of any exorbitant amount of shaming.

If you go on these whales' twitter pages, what you'll mostly see is a vast sea of other whales giving these comments likes and retweets, with the shaming being quite scant if it's even there at all.

I feel like you're being purposely oblivious here. Just look no further than this topic for example of how flippantly other are jackasses to fat people for no real reason, you're trying to say that you don't think they experience that pretty much daily in real life? Give me a break. THAT is probably the one thing that fat acceptance people actually have a valid point about. Of course they aren't going to shame each other on Twitter. Most of them have probably been getting shamed for most of their lives and are looking for a place to escape it. That's why they band together because they have similar experiences from being fat shamed constantly.

I 100% agree that this whole "healthy at every size" BS needs to go away, but all I ask is that people don't be disingenous about their reasons for being jackasses to fat people in general. When you're saying "Put the fork down fatty", the foremost thing on your mind isn't "I'm helping reduce the overall costs of health insurance!!"
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COVxy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

COVxy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Which sections / page numbers say what you want him to read?

The entire review, as it is a complex subject and this review is only on the specific subject that he wants to claim is so simple he can make a lay psychological assessment in a single post.

lol that's what i thought

I don't know why you think this is some sort of win lol.

You haven't even read your own link, that's why you don't know which sections / pages are most relevant to what he said. You're just hoping to give someone a massive PDF file in the hopes of discouraging them from questioning anything anymore, since people tend to freak out at large volume.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

You haven't even read your own link, that's why you don't know which sections / pages are most relevant to what he said.

The entire review is on the signalling pathways regulating eating behavior. The entire point is the entire review.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Twin3Turbo posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

If someone wants to be fat but they also understand the negative health concerns that come with it, so be it. There is absolutely no reason to treat them as a lesser person.

That's not quite true. Obesity is the single biggest impact to our health system, representing around 20% of our yearly healthcare expenditures and growing. It's literally weighing down the system for everyone else, and possibly costing us the opportunity to start rolling out universal healthcare with no additional increase in taxes.

These "fat activists" need to be mocked and slapped with evidence until they rescind their incorrect worldview.

...so that means you need to treat them as lesser of a person?

I ask because that's what you quoted and then said "That's not true" to.

I mean do you consider mocking someone's beliefs to be treating them as lesser of a person? We might need to resort to shaming in order to curb the problem, because other things clearly aren't working.

We aren't talking about beliefs here. We are talking about treating someone as lesser because you don't like what they look like.

And lol, we've been shaming fat people since forever and "clearly thats not working" so I'm not sure why you're suggesting it. This whole fat acceptance thing is pretty much a reaction to the constant shaming.

Tbh it seems like the whales are banding together and saying shit like "fat is healthy" because no one wants to bang them and they want to redefine what beauty is, not because of any exorbitant amount of shaming.

If you go on these whales' twitter pages, what you'll mostly see is a vast sea of other whales giving these comments likes and retweets, with the shaming being quite scant if it's even there at all.

I feel like you're being purposely oblivious here. Just look no further than this topic for example of how flippantly other are jackasses to fat people for no real reason, you're trying to say that you don't think they experience that pretty much daily in real life? Give me a break. THAT is probably the one thing that fat acceptance people actually have a valid point about. Of course they aren't going to shame each other on Twitter. Most of them have probably been getting shamed for most of their lives and are looking for a place to escape it. That's why they band together because they have similar experiences from being fat shamed constantly.

I 100% agree that this whole "healthy at every size" BS needs to go away, but all I ask is that people don't be disingenous about their reasons for being jackasses to fat people in general. When you're saying "Put the fork down fatty", the foremost thing on your mind isn't "I'm helping reduce the overall costs of health insurance!!"

Obese people represent 20% of our yearly healthcare expenditures and growing. If anything, they need to be shamed even more. Until they realize they're literally killing other people by blocking up the healthcare system and reducing access to care for people who actually need it.
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COVxy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

You haven't even read your own link, that's why you don't know which sections / pages are most relevant to what he said.

The entire review is on the signalling pathways regulating eating behavior. The entire point is the entire review.

I'll be sure to slam you with a massive review of communism the next time you defend it, maybe you'll actually read the whole thing then.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

COVxy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

You haven't even read your own link, that's why you don't know which sections / pages are most relevant to what he said.

The entire review is on the signalling pathways regulating eating behavior. The entire point is the entire review.

I'll be sure to slam you with a massive review of communism the next time you defend it, maybe you'll actually read the whole thing then.

Yeah, sure, that would be helpful!

(Important to note that I've never defended communism and there aren't actually empirical studies on it anyway, though)

But the general point: if I'm uninformed on a subject, I would love an expertly put together compilation of the information on the subject.
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COVxy posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

COVxy posted...

Lmao.

You are woefully misinformed.

Fantastic counterargument from the King of Pseudoscience

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N4S88Wg-E9vYSkJwLYps4iXqWHLrqPLj/view?usp=sharing

Here, read up, even though I know you won't.

I like how page 76 and the conclusion both confirm EXACTLY what I said. People with damaged brains (specifically asymmetric prefrontal cortexes) are at a higher risk of making bad food choices and are likelier to be obese. They claim the underlying issue is the environment, specifically referencing sugar companies marketing directly to children. This is exactly aligned with my claims that fat people are weak and hopeless in the face of increased, aggresive marketing of food companies and the prevalence of sugar. The discipline required to stay healthy in this society is increasing and not everybody can meet it, a larger portion of humans are incapable of moderating their diets and are succumbing to obesity. I say if their brains are incapable of reconciling short term pleasure reward versus long term health, then maybe those brains don't deserve to continue existing. Maybe it's a mentality that needs to be filtered out.

COVxy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

You haven't even read your own link, that's why you don't know which sections / pages are most relevant to what he said.

The entire review is on the signalling pathways regulating eating behavior. The entire point is the entire review.

So sum it up then
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lol we know what cov looks like irl. he's like 5'4 and weighs 280 lbs
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clearaflagrantj posted...

I say if their brains are incapable of reconciling short term pleasure reward versus long term health, then maybe those brains don't deserve to continue existing.

what the holy fuck
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clearaflagrantj posted...

People with damaged brains (specifically asymmetric prefrontal cortexes) are at a higher risk of making bad food choices and are likelier to be obese.

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People with damaged brains being more likely to be obese doesn't imply that obese people are more likely to have damaged brains.

You missed the point of that paragraph, which is outlining naturalistic lesion studies that demonstrate some localization for potential control pathways.
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COVxy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

You haven't even read your own link, that's why you don't know which sections / pages are most relevant to what he said.

The entire review is on the signalling pathways regulating eating behavior. The entire point is the entire review.

Your link is basically "the mechanics behind what makes a car work" when our entire valid argument is that the car isn't causing the accidents, it's a shitty driver behind the wheel.

You keep deflecting to that study because you don't have any real arguments and you know it.

It's simple.

Don't be a shitdick to people because they're fat.

Do recognize things that are unhealthy and encourage things that are healthy.

clearaflagrantj posted...

Your link is basically "the mechanics behind what makes a car work" when our entire valid argument is that the car isn't causing the accidents, it's a shitty driver behind the wheel.

This analogy works well if the car is a self driving car.
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Can't *munch* stop *munch* eating *munch*

Why don't chicks find me attractive? They're clearly the ones with the problem if they can't accept me and 99% body fat
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MC_BatCommander posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

I say if their brains are incapable of reconciling short term pleasure reward versus long term health, then maybe those brains don't deserve to continue existing.

what the holy fuck

Darwinism at work, we either heavily regulate the food industry or we let it do it's thing and some humans die out. These are cold hard facts, obesity is not a joke.

COVxy posted...

People with damaged brains being more likely to be obese doesn't imply that obese people are more likely to have damaged brains.

Except they're directly correlated so yeah, they are.

COVxy posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Your link is basically "the mechanics behind what makes a car work" when our entire valid argument is that the car isn't causing the accidents, it's a shitty driver behind the wheel.

This analogy works well if the car is a self driving car.

So we have zero autonomy over the food going into our mouths.

I'll remember that the next time I eat a whole package of oreos, "it's not me it's the neural reward systems beyond my control!"

clearaflagrantj posted...

Except they're directly correlated so yeah, they are.

That's, uh, not how evidence based reasoning works.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

COVxy posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Your link is basically "the mechanics behind what makes a car work" when our entire valid argument is that the car isn't causing the accidents, it's a shitty driver behind the wheel.

This analogy works well if the car is a self driving car.

So we have zero autonomy over the food going into our mouths.

I'll remember that the next time I eat a whole package of oreos, "it's not me it's the neural reward systems beyond my control!"

Well, the scientific reality may be that we don't actually have any "autonomy" at all, unfortunately.

But that's a different discussion.

clearaflagrantj posted...

COVxy posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Your link is basically "the mechanics behind what makes a car work" when our entire valid argument is that the car isn't causing the accidents, it's a shitty driver behind the wheel.

This analogy works well if the car is a self driving car.

So we have zero autonomy over the food going into our mouths."

I mean, there is no homunculus in the brain controlling the actions. The brain works through these pathways, you have control in-so-far as your brain has control.

The analogy you made instantiates the fabled homunculus,
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um yeah that was pretty bad clear.
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