Poll of the Day > EPA moves to weaken landmark fuel efficiency rules.

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WastelandCowboy
04/03/18 12:53:33 AM
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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/02/598888447/epa-moves-to-weaken-landmark-fuel-efficiency-rules

The Trump Administration today moved to weaken fuel economy standards for automobiles, saying the current ones are inappropriate and wrong.

The long-anticipated move is a win for auto manufacturers, which had lobbied for lower fuel-economy standards. It's also a rejection of one of former President Barack Obama's biggest efforts to combat climate change by curbing greenhouse gas emissions.

In making the announcement, Scott Pruitt, head of the Environmental Protection Agency, accused Obama of making incorrect assumptions when setting the standards, which led to them being set "too high."

The Obama administration, working with California, aimed to nearly double the fleet wide average fuel economy for passenger cars and SUVs to more than 50 miles per gallon by 2025.

Automobile emissions and transportation are one of the largest sources of greenhouse gas emissions in the U.S.

Pruitt's EPA is abandoning those goals and says it will work with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to set more appropriate standards at a later date.

The move puts the Trump administration on the path toward another legal showdown with California, which has said that it will keep the stricter air standards in place. The state has a federal waiver under the Clean Air Act that allows it to set its own standards for vehicle emissions. Twelve other states follow California's lead, and together they account for a third of all car sales in the U.S.

"This is a politically motivated effort to weaken clean vehicle standards with no documentation, evidence or law to back up that decision," said Mary Nichols, chair of the California Air Resources Board, in a statement. She accused EPA of aiming to "demolish the nation's clean car program."

Typically, the federal government and California work together to set shared auto emissions and fuel economy standards. Car manufacturers want uniformity nationwide, so they're not having to build different types of vehicles for consumers in different states.

But the Trump administration and California are at odds on a number of issues, and it's unclear if either side would be willing to make a concession.

"Cooperative federalism doesn't mean that one state can dictate standards for the rest of the country," Pruitt said in a statement. "It's in everyone's best interest to have a national standard, and we look forward to working with all states, including California, as we work to finalize that standard."

The statement said California's environmental waiver "is still being reexamined by EPA."

California Gov. Jerry Brown also criticized the announcement.

"This cynical and meretricious abuse of power will poison our air and jeopardize the health of all Americans," he said in a statement.

Any split in the nation's car market would be troublesome for auto manufacturers, which had lobbied the Trump administration to lower the standards. They argued that with low gas prices, consumers are buying more larger vehicles SUV's and pickup trucks making the push for fuel-efficient electric vehicles and hybrids a costly burden. Lowering the fuel economy standards, they said, would give them more flexibility to meet consumer demands.

Jessica Caldwell, executive director of industry analysis at the automotive website Edmunds, said in a statement that flexibility will come with a cost.

"The unfortunate reality is that this decision comes with a logistical nightmare in the short term," she said. If states divide into a patchwork of competing fuel economy standards, while a long court battle drags out, "it puts automakers in a very challenging scenario from a product development perspective."
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helIy
04/03/18 12:59:52 AM
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and it's literally only because obama did it

how petty do you have to be
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WastelandCowboy
04/03/18 1:02:10 AM
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helIy posted...
and it's literally only because obama did it

how petty do you have to be

Trump's hell-bent on dismantling everything Obama did, probably because Obama mocked Trump and Trump's mission for Obama's birth certificate.

Dude's ego is too big for his tiny hands.
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RoboXgp89
04/03/18 1:02:53 AM
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meh
cattle causes most of the greenhouse effect not cars
and even if we did get these cars they'd cost like tens of thousands of dollars and then you'd have to have a place to charge them
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Lokarin
04/03/18 1:33:29 AM
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This is the equivalent of saying that since you're clean enough now - may as well stop showering.
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RoboXgp89
04/03/18 1:37:47 AM
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Lokarin posted...
This is the equivalent of saying that since you're clean enough now - may as well stop showering.


except no one has these cars now or at least no one uses them
it was a stupid mandate
he could have said 20mpg and it still would have been thrown out
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Zeus
04/03/18 1:42:34 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
"Cooperative federalism doesn't mean that one state can dictate standards for the rest of the country," Pruitt said in a statement. "It's in everyone's best interest to have a national standard, and we look forward to working with all states, including California, as we work to finalize that standard."


Reasonable. Granted, I *like* fuel efficiency standards to some extent, but I can see the potential for abuse here.

helIy posted...
and it's literally only because obama did it


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Yellow
04/03/18 1:47:33 AM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
meh
cattle causes most of the greenhouse effect not cars
and even if we did get these cars they'd cost like tens of thousands of dollars and then you'd have to have a place to charge them

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions

Agriculture accounted for 9% of emissions in 2015, transportation was 27%.
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streamofthesky
04/03/18 1:52:14 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
The long-anticipated move is a win for auto manufacturers, which had lobbied for lower fuel-economy standards.

Any split in the nation's car market would be troublesome for auto manufacturers, which had lobbied the Trump administration to lower the standards.

"The unfortunate reality is that this decision comes with a logistical nightmare in the short term," she said. If states divide into a patchwork of competing fuel economy standards, while a long court battle drags out, "it puts automakers in a very challenging scenario from a product development perspective.

I feel so bad for those car companies that lobbied for this knowing California and other states would abandon their fuel standards and now those efforts will result in more costs and complications for them, between the court battles and having to develop cars that meet the standards anyway while adding the burden of maintaining different models for different states.
Oh, woe is them!
I feel so very bad for them, I truly do.
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Kyuubi4269
04/03/18 2:58:31 AM
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Yellow posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...
meh
cattle causes most of the greenhouse effect not cars
and even if we did get these cars they'd cost like tens of thousands of dollars and then you'd have to have a place to charge them

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions

Agriculture accounted for 9% of emissions in 2015, transportation was 27%.

Freighter ships are horrendous, cars basically pump out fresh air in comparison.
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Yellow
04/03/18 5:40:26 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Freighter ships are horrendous, cars basically pump out fresh air in comparison.

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/fast-facts-transportation-greenhouse-gas-emissions

light duty vehicles - 60%
Medium- and Heavy-Duty Trucks - 23%
Aircraft - 9%
Other - 4%
Rail - 2%
Ships and Boats - 2%

27 * 0.6 = 16.2

Light duty vehicles account for ~16.2% of all greenhouse gas emissions in the US.

27 * 0.83 = 22.41

Road vehicles account for ~22.41%.
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Yellow
04/03/18 5:44:01 AM
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To be fair I actually thought it was mostly cows too. I must have heard or misread that from some vegan site.
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RoboXgp89
04/03/18 10:26:20 AM
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Yellow posted...
To be fair I actually thought it was mostly cows too. I must have heard or misread that from some vegan site.


the slash and burn they do to clear land more then accounts for that plus the methane in their farts
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SkynyrdRocker
04/03/18 10:43:48 AM
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Dammit. Ultra-fuel efficient vehicles are good for my wallet.
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Noop_Noop
04/03/18 11:29:19 AM
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helIy posted...
and it's literally only because obama did it

how petty do you have to be


How about this petty?

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Yellow
04/03/18 8:30:53 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
the slash and burn they do to clear land more then accounts for that plus the methane in their farts

Notice how I pull up sources and you're just making things up
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Kigalas
04/03/18 8:53:04 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
helIy posted...
and it's literally only because obama did it

how petty do you have to be

Trump's hell-bent on dismantling everything Obama did, probably because Obama mocked Trump and Trump's mission for Obama's birth certificate.

Dude's ego is too big for his tiny hands.

All because Obama made him feel like a sad little boy at the 2011 correspondents dinner. People laughed at him, and that deserves vengeance!
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SunWuKung420
04/03/18 8:55:39 PM
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I'm pretty certain a bunch of monkeys could do better than trump and his trumpettes.
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ferko420
04/03/18 9:01:29 PM
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It will keep gas around longer and make cars cheaper. I don't have kids so fuck the planet and yer brats
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SinisterSlay
04/03/18 11:59:32 PM
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Automakers would be braindead fucks to fall for this.

50mpg appears to be possible in the UK, why is it so impossible in NA?

If American auto makers make a push for less fuel economy, they might see the civic fiasco all over again as cheap fuel efficient Chinese or other Asian cars flood the market.
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jramirez23
04/04/18 12:02:17 AM
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Fuel efficient cars are niiiiiice.
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Zeus
04/05/18 2:27:32 AM
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Yellow posted...
To be fair I actually thought it was mostly cows too. I must have heard or misread that from some vegan site.


Yeah, I had heard that claim as well and it's been parroted so often I've never really thought of looking that much into it.

RoboXgp89 posted...
Yellow posted...
To be fair I actually thought it was mostly cows too. I must have heard or misread that from some vegan site.


the slash and burn they do to clear land more then accounts for that plus the methane in their farts


Slash & Burn farming isn't really a US practice. That's kind of a comparison to nations which don't have as many cars. Plus even without livestock, slash & burn would still exist for farming.
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bulbinking
04/05/18 3:21:58 AM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
I'm pretty certain a bunch of monkeys could do better than trump and his trumpettes.


Oh boy the jokes I could get modded for...
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Mead
04/05/18 3:29:36 AM
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Good finally now we can have more pollution
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Zeus
04/06/18 1:18:45 AM
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Mead posted...
Good finally now we can have more pollution


Not really a pollution issue so much as it is a CO2 issue.
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PuddingBoy
04/06/18 2:33:42 AM
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bulbinking posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
I'm pretty certain a bunch of monkeys could do better than trump and his trumpettes.


Oh boy the jokes I could get modded for...

Congrats, you're a racist
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bulbinking
04/06/18 12:46:59 PM
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PuddingBoy posted...
bulbinking posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
I'm pretty certain a bunch of monkeys could do better than trump and his trumpettes.


Oh boy the jokes I could get modded for...

Congrats, you're a racist


I guess thats why we killed the shock jock as an institution of free speech radio.

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Would you feel better is I said something mean about bush too?

http://www.sabrizain.org/iraq/anti-war/Curious_Monkey.jpg

Look! Its money related too!
I wonder what they were trying to say...

Now go blow it out you ass, slanderer.
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RedPixel
04/06/18 1:12:55 PM
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I refuse to be lectured on "fuel efficiency" by a country that buys out the patents for free energy just to make it legal to suppress it.

Fuck the U.S.
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Yellow
04/06/18 4:50:43 PM
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Well the thing is you wouldn't have been modded for calling George Bush a monkey.
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bulbinking
04/06/18 4:57:35 PM
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Yellow posted...
Well the thing is you wouldn't have been modded for calling George Bush a monkey.


I know.

Funny that considering cheeky monkey is a common thing to call people in UK

At least according to all the BBC I watch

Oh yeah, Trumpanzee is a thing.

Btw we are all monkeys, just some people know how to not act like one.

Nobody gets to not be called a name if it fits.
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