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GallisOTK
03/31/18 2:33:26 PM
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http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Firewall_Dragon

Apparently this thing is pure degeneracy in the real life TCG/OCG, able to create turn one infinite summon/draw loops to either win in a single turn (either by knocking out the opponent's LP in one turn or infinitely drawing into Exodia) or completely lock the opponent down before they can even make a move. It's totally fucked.

http://beyondtheduel.com/grinder-golem-link-summoning-loop/
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It's been limited to 1 in both the OCG (Japan) and TCG (rest of the world) and decks dedicated to abusing it are still capable of insane shit. And the worst part: Konami probably won't ever actually ban it because it's Yusaku's ace card and they want to sell the shit out of Yu-gi-oh VRAINS while it's airing. I was fine with this game through Synchro/Xyz monsters and I was patient in waiting for Pendulums to be balanced out. Links were an interesting idea, but holy shit, they've been badly executed in the real-life card game.

This shit is completely fucked, and I don't think they'll ever manage to un-fuck it at this point.
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LordFarquad1312
03/31/18 2:47:01 PM
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As someone who hasn't played Yu-Gi-Oh! in 15 years and doesn't want to watch the video because it destroys his YT homepage, can I get a tl;dw version of what this card does?
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Mako_Sharknado
03/31/18 2:48:19 PM
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Do Yugioh cards not have DEF values anymore
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Second_Chances
03/31/18 2:49:38 PM
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Link Monsters can't go into Defense mode.
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megamanfreakXD
03/31/18 2:51:56 PM
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wtf is this

The last time I was into yugioh anime was xyz monsters
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Punctus_Pilot
03/31/18 2:53:49 PM
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I can't think of a game or show with a more ridiculous power creep than yugioh.
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gamer167
03/31/18 2:56:53 PM
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How far back do I have to go to get into Yugioh before they started all this xyz synchro bullshit? Just like the barebones game
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dontdodrugs101
03/31/18 2:57:58 PM
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Mako_Sharknado posted...
Do Yugioh cards not have DEF values anymore

links dont
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mehmeh1
03/31/18 2:57:58 PM
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Punctus_Pilot posted...
I can't think of a game or show with a more ridiculous power creep than yugioh.

for show, Dragon Ball, and gens 4-6 pokmon had a significant power creep too
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Prestoff
03/31/18 2:58:38 PM
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As a guy who has no idea about the newer Yugioh cards and can't play videos on the business computers, what exactly does this Monster do? I remember hating Stardust Dragon because I thought he was OP when he first came out (basically made Sakuretsu armor useless,which was why dimensional prison was in every deck at the time).

Punctus_Pilot posted...
show with a more ridiculous power creep than yugioh.


DBZ lol
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Touch
03/31/18 2:58:43 PM
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gamer167 posted...
How far back do I have to go to get into Yugioh before they started all this xyz synchro bullshit? Just like the barebones game

Synchro was still actually decent. It's all the shit afterwards that was downright terrible.
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Punctus_Pilot
03/31/18 3:01:15 PM
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mehmeh1 posted...
and gens 4-6 pokmon had a significant power creep too

That's not even close to yugioh

DBZ isn't as bad as yugioh, proportionally.
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Doe
03/31/18 3:11:41 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
As someone who hasn't played Yu-Gi-Oh! in 15 years and doesn't want to watch the video because it destroys his YT homepage, can I get a tl;dw version of what this card does?

It is a Link Monster. The new rules added two new monster zones called extra monster zones and each player can control one. Monsters from the extra deck can be summoned there. A Link Monster has arrows on it pointing to other zones, which can become more extra monster zones as a result.

Firewall Dragon has 4 arrows, in a D-pad formation. That gives it potential to both be summoned directly into the original zone and work magic from there, or in a zone in the original monster zone.

It's ability is that once while on the field, it can target monsters in the field or graveyard up to the number of monsters co-Linked to Firewall Dragon (meaning other Link monsters whose arrows point into Firewall's arrows), and return them to the hand. It also let's you special summon from your hand whenever a monster it points to is sent to the graveyard.

This is deceptively REALLY REALLY good. Because it means you can send other Link monsters to the extra deck and well as useful monsters to your hand. Link Monsters only need monsters sent to the graveyard to summon them (up to how many link arrows they have), so this means you can do ridiculous things.

It can get pretty silly now, I'm sure, but the card used to be unlimited. Meaning you quickly got multiple Firewalls into play. A guy came up with a combo where you needed like just two certain cards in your hand, and if you had them, you could perform a chainplay using your entire extra deck of fifteen monsters. And that was when a lot of the cards in the combo were generic Links because it was early on. So it would probably be even more broken now except they limited Firewall.

I haven't seen the solo Firewall combos and I'm in a car right now but banning might be a little much? Firewall retrieving Firewall or shit like that was where concern for big loops stemmed from.
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Muffinz0rz
03/31/18 3:14:04 PM
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Doe posted...
LordFarquad1312 posted...
As someone who hasn't played Yu-Gi-Oh! in 15 years and doesn't want to watch the video because it destroys his YT homepage, can I get a tl;dw version of what this card does?

It is a Link Monster. The new rules added two new monster zones called extra monster zones and each player can control one. Monsters from the extra deck can be summoned there. A Link Monster has arrows on it pointing to other zones, which can become more extra monster zones as a result.

Firewall Dragon has 4 arrows, in a D-pad formation. That gives it potential to both be summoned directly into the original zone and work magic from there, or in a zone in the original monster zone.

It's ability is that once while on the field, it can target monsters in the field or graveyard up to the number of monsters co-Linked to Firewall Dragon (meaning other Link monsters whose arrows point into Firewall's arrows), and return them to the hand. It also let's you special summon from your hand whenever a monster it points to is sent to the graveyard.

This is deceptively REALLY REALLY good. Because it means you can send other Link monsters to the extra deck and well as useful monsters to your hand. Link Monsters only need monsters sent to the graveyard to summon them (up to how many link arrows they have), so this means you can do ridiculous things.

It can get pretty silly now, I'm sure, but the card used to be unlimited. Meaning you quickly got multiple Firewalls into play. A guy came up with a combo where you needed like just two certain cards in your hand, and if you had them, you could perform a chainplay using your entire extra deck of fifteen monsters. And that was when a lot of the cards in the combo were generic Links because it was early on. So it would probably be even more broken now except they limited Firewall.

I haven't seen the solo Firewall combos and I'm in a car right now but banning might be a little much? Firewall retrieving Firewall or shit like that was where concern for big loops stemmed from.

what
the actual
fuck
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Doe
03/31/18 3:19:47 PM
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Synchro was a good addition and Pendulum is a really balanced mechanic (it was only ever an issue because Konami wrote some archetypes or individual cards really OP effects, people who complain about Pendulum are like people who say Synchro is broken because of Tele-DAD'd Stardusts). Xyz really broke Yugioh, I mean it literally changed everything. Anyone can Xyz and Xyz effects quickly became stupidly good because they dropped cards being balanced by running out of material like Utopia or Acid Golem.

They were pretty restrictive with Links at first but it looks like there's already a ton of them now and they haven't even broken Link-4. They can go up to 8 and they will because it's Konami. Link summons are a ticking time bomb before they are completely dominant over the meta. They transcend Xyz by letting you summon more extra deck monsters and of course you can't Xyz or Synchro off of Links. Pendulum died for this meta
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Muffinz0rz
03/31/18 3:25:48 PM
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when i was your age, Mirror Force was the worst we had to worry about
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Second_Chances
03/31/18 3:31:20 PM
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Mirror Force in the VRAINS anime was the best shit
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Doe
03/31/18 3:33:44 PM
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Are Links immune to Sandstorm Mirror Force permanent face down
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Calwings
03/31/18 4:06:50 PM
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Christ. I had no idea Firewall was that crazy.

Second_Chances posted...
Mirror Force in the VRAINS anime was the best shit

Revolver suddenly pulling out a nearly 20-year-old card as his "ace" card in that duel was pretty insane. They built up his hidden ace as some insanely super-powerful new card that no one's seen before, and then he just flips over a fucking Mirror Force. Go Onizuka's face afterwards was pretty much all of our faces too.

Doe posted...
Are Links immune to Sandstorm Mirror Force permanent face down

Link monster can NEVER be change in defense mode, including face-down defense mode. No card effect that changes a monster's position from attack to defense, or has anything to do with changing/detecting defense points, has ANY effect on a Link monster. Book of Moon, Quaking Mirror Force, Ghostrick monster effects.... all useless against a Link monster.

Also, similar to Xyz monsters, Link monsters have no level (the stars on most other monster cards) and are unaffected by effect such as Gravity Bind that are based on monsters' levels. Having no level also means that they can;t be used as material for a Ritual, Synchro or Xyz summon since those require monsters of certain levels.
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Hexagon
03/31/18 4:21:55 PM
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I haven't played yugioh since GX. Have they made Dark Sage any easier to summon?
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Tmaster148
03/31/18 4:26:32 PM
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Calwings posted...
Also, similar to Xyz monsters, Link monsters have no level (the stars on most other monster cards) and are unaffected by effect such as Gravity Bind that are based on monsters' levels. Having no level also means that they can;t be used as material for a Ritual, Synchro or Xyz summon since those require monsters of certain levels.


Though no one is running gravity bind. Practically them not having levels is really meaningless outside of preventing them from being used as material for those other summons.
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tremain07
03/31/18 4:41:33 PM
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Calwings posted...
Revolver suddenly pulling out a nearly 20-year-old card as his "ace" card in that duel was pretty insane. They built up his hidden ace as some insanely super-powerful new card that no one's seen before, and then he just flips over a f***ing Mirror Force. Go Onizuka's face afterwards was pretty much all of our faces too.

Yeah, that was as hilarious as that time Kaito fucked Yuma over with Book of the Moon and Yuzu pulled out De-Fusion to win a tag match and Yuya pulled out Monster Reborn to go into Enlightenment Paladin to shit on Shinji.
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UnfairRepresent
03/31/18 4:51:43 PM
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tremain07 posted...

Yeah, that was as hilarious as that time Kaito fucked Yuma over with Book of the Moon and Yuzu pulled out De-Fusion to win a tag match and Yuya pulled out Monster Reborn to go into Enlightenment Paladin to shit on Shinji.
I got nothing

You could have just banged your hands on the keyboard to make random letters and I'd have understood just as much as what you said here
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pikachupwnage
03/31/18 4:54:56 PM
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Prestoff posted...
As a guy who has no idea about the newer Yugioh cards and can't play videos on the business computers, what exactly does this Monster do? I remember hating Stardust Dragon because I thought he was OP when he first came out (basically made Sakuretsu armor useless,which was why dimensional prison was in every deck at the time).

Punctus_Pilot posted...
show with a more ridiculous power creep than yugioh.


DBZ lol


I remember I used to run triple sakuretsu[+ dimensional prison) in all my decks and my friends were always scared to attack.
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BrownBearKing
03/31/18 5:16:23 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
tremain07 posted...

Yeah, that was as hilarious as that time Kaito fucked Yuma over with Book of the Moon and Yuzu pulled out De-Fusion to win a tag match and Yuya pulled out Monster Reborn to go into Enlightenment Paladin to shit on Shinji.
I got nothing

You could have just banged your hands on the keyboard to make random letters and I'd have understood just as much as what you said here


All I know is that I have 3 blue eyes white dragons and nobody can stop me.
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Touch
03/31/18 10:35:30 PM
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BrownBearKing posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
tremain07 posted...

Yeah, that was as hilarious as that time Kaito fucked Yuma over with Book of the Moon and Yuzu pulled out De-Fusion to win a tag match and Yuya pulled out Monster Reborn to go into Enlightenment Paladin to shit on Shinji.
I got nothing

You could have just banged your hands on the keyboard to make random letters and I'd have understood just as much as what you said here


All I know is that I have 3 blue eyes white dragons and nobody can stop me.

*Pulls exodia from my ass*
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tremain07
03/31/18 11:42:32 PM
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BrownBearKing posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
tremain07 posted...

Yeah, that was as hilarious as that time Kaito fucked Yuma over with Book of the Moon and Yuzu pulled out De-Fusion to win a tag match and Yuya pulled out Monster Reborn to go into Enlightenment Paladin to shit on Shinji.
I got nothing

You could have just banged your hands on the keyboard to make random letters and I'd have understood just as much as what you said here


All I know is that I have 3 blue eyes white dragons and nobody can stop me.

Oh, alot of things can stop you, in today's ygo you wouldn't even get a chance to summon all three, especially if you don't have any handtrap lolis at the start.
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Doe
03/31/18 11:44:27 PM
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tremain07 posted...
in today's ygo you wouldn't even get a chance to summon all three,

eh only since MR4 nerfed synchro xyz
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Scotty_Rogers
03/31/18 11:45:25 PM
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>grown men playing trading cards

lmao
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HotMaladorianAI
03/31/18 11:45:33 PM
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I just play gba yugioh so whatever
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Bloodychess
03/31/18 11:46:10 PM
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tremain07 posted...
BrownBearKing posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
tremain07 posted...

Yeah, that was as hilarious as that time Kaito fucked Yuma over with Book of the Moon and Yuzu pulled out De-Fusion to win a tag match and Yuya pulled out Monster Reborn to go into Enlightenment Paladin to shit on Shinji.
I got nothing

You could have just banged your hands on the keyboard to make random letters and I'd have understood just as much as what you said here


All I know is that I have 3 blue eyes white dragons and nobody can stop me.

Oh, alot of things can stop you, in today's ygo you wouldn't even get a chance to summon all three, especially if you don't have any handtrap lolis at the start.

I thought BEWD was meta relevant for a while some years back
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tremain07
03/31/18 11:48:06 PM
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Yesterday's meta is today's trash.
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Calwings
03/31/18 11:51:07 PM
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Bloodychess posted...
tremain07 posted...
BrownBearKing posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
tremain07 posted...

Yeah, that was as hilarious as that time Kaito fucked Yuma over with Book of the Moon and Yuzu pulled out De-Fusion to win a tag match and Yuya pulled out Monster Reborn to go into Enlightenment Paladin to shit on Shinji.
I got nothing

You could have just banged your hands on the keyboard to make random letters and I'd have understood just as much as what you said here


All I know is that I have 3 blue eyes white dragons and nobody can stop me.

Oh, alot of things can stop you, in today's ygo you wouldn't even get a chance to summon all three, especially if you don't have any handtrap lolis at the start.

I thought BEWD was meta relevant for a while some years back

Blue-Eyes decks were, but they only use the original BEWD as pieces to Synchro/Xyz summon the real stars of the deck.
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