Poll of the Day > I wish Trump, Democrats, Republicans, and the media could just move on already.

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I'm so tired of hearing about Russia, "Crooked Hillary", the election, Hillary's emails, Russia/USA collusion, etc. Just fucking move on already. What's done is done. Trump won. Unless otherwise determined, he's the president of the USA until November 2020. Enough with the broken record and the dead horse.

With as much legal representation as Trump has, I'm sure he's dotted his I's and crossed his T's and wouldn't miss something that hasn't otherwise been shredded, deleted, expunged, etc. Whatever people hope to find will not sate their thirst. Just cut the shit already and move on. Let Trump finish out his presidency. If he decides to go for another term, so be it. Use your anger, angst, tears, whatever to vote for or against him then.

There's no use in crying over spilled milk. Just wipe it up and move on.

But her emails.
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GanonsSpirit posted...

But her emails.

Are gone. Either prosecute her or shut up.

Move on past what exactly? Russia hasn't stopped, clearly if you missed the assassination attempt in the UK, and Putin still has his puppet in place.

Also how the fuck can a dude who goes on national television to incriminate himself and refuses all advice from counsel be considered to have dotted his I's and crossed his T's? The idea is beyond laughable.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Move on past what exactly? Russia hasn't stopped, clearly if you missed the assassination attempt in the UK, and Putin still has his puppet in place.

Also how the fuck can a dude who goes on national television to incriminate himself and refuses all advice from counsel be considered to have dotted his I's and crossed his T's? The idea is beyond laughable.

It was an assassination attempt in England - not America. If there's a Russian assassination attempt in the USA, then fine, throw sanctions at Russia and go from there. We have no 100% confirmation that Trump is Putin's puppet. You can throw accusations all you want, but that's all that it is, here-say. Even if there's bonafide evidence, Trump and Putin will just laugh and claim it's fabricated. Their egos are too big to admit otherwise.

You really think the goddamn president of the USA, who has an entire team of attorneys wouldn't make sure he's covered? So what if Trump refuses advice. I seriously doubt the man would fuck up enough to forget something vital that would be key to the other side's win.

They went after Bill for a bj, Donnie can suck it up for a few months more
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Yeah, all of the continued election talk is just ridiculous at this point. It's always been a glorified fishing expedition.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Move on past what exactly? Russia hasn't stopped, clearly if you missed the assassination attempt in the UK, and Putin still has his puppet in place.

Which has what to do with the US election?
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WastelandCowboy posted...

I'm so tired of hearing about Russia, "Crooked Hillary", the election, Hillary's emails, Russia/USA collusion, etc. Just fucking move on already. What's done is done. Trump won. Unless otherwise determined, he's the president of the USA until November 2020. Enough with the broken record and the dead horse.

With as much legal representation as Trump has, I'm sure he's dotted his I's and crossed his T's and wouldn't miss something that hasn't otherwise been shredded, deleted, expunged, etc. Whatever people hope to find will not sate their thirst. Just cut the shit already and move on. Let Trump finish out his presidency. If he decides to go for another term, so be it. Use your anger, angst, tears, whatever to vote for or against him then.

There's no use in crying over spilled milk. Just wipe it up and move on.

Inauguration Day is in January. Also, if somehow impeached then it could be sooner, but he covers his ass well so others take the fall and he gets all the kudos.

Ive disengaged almost completely from the media and politics, its just all a circus to keep you watching and I got better shit to do.
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Kigalas posted...

WastelandCowboy posted...

I'm so tired of hearing about Russia, "Crooked Hillary", the election, Hillary's emails, Russia/USA collusion, etc. Just fucking move on already. What's done is done. Trump won. Unless otherwise determined, he's the president of the USA until November 2020. Enough with the broken record and the dead horse.

With as much legal representation as Trump has, I'm sure he's dotted his I's and crossed his T's and wouldn't miss something that hasn't otherwise been shredded, deleted, expunged, etc. Whatever people hope to find will not sate their thirst. Just cut the shit already and move on. Let Trump finish out his presidency. If he decides to go for another term, so be it. Use your anger, angst, tears, whatever to vote for or against him then.

There's no use in crying over spilled milk. Just wipe it up and move on.

Inauguration Day is in January. Also, if somehow impeached then it could be sooner, but he covers his ass well so others take the fall and he gets all the kudos.

Ive disengaged almost completely from the media and politics, its just all a circus to keep you watching and I got better shit to do.

Inauguration day/election day. It's all the same. Once it's determined who wins the election, it's all over.

Repeat a lie enough times and it will become the next liberals fact.
They will never cease hammering down on the supposed trump russia ties because they know liberals in 20 years are gonna use all of that as an ad hominem against facts, like they do with gun control now, they make up a lot of lies and eventually some of them stick, the media can do that because....well who's gonna stop them?
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Fox News and their ilk are the ones that keep talking about Clinton. Whenever something is going bad for Trump and the GOP, they use her to deflect away.

Meanwhile the Russia investigation is continuing and has Trump shaken, given how he keeps crying on Twitter about how everyone is being mean to him.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

Meanwhile the Russia investigation is continuing and has Trump shaken, given how he keeps crying on Twitter about how everyone is being mean to him.

It's continuing despite having no substance, which is something any president would complain about. And when there's nothing to be found, you can search indefinitely. A hundred years later they could still be going at it.
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Go stick your head in the sand then. No one is stopping you.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/10/style/the-man-who-knew-too-little.html
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RCtheWSBC posted...

Go stick your head in the sand then. No one is stopping you.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/10/style/the-man-who-knew-too-little.html

tbh, lol'd when I heard part of that story on NPR the other day. It's like a fulfillment of the ridiculous stereotypes about echo chambers.
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It's an extreme I could never think to take.

I've always said that I hate politics overall, yet I recognize that I need to stay informed about them. But I work and study in conjunction of them, so.
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Zeus posted...

It's continuing despite having no substance

yes, that's how you get 19 indictments, 4 arrests and 3 guilty pleas. by having no substance.
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Trump/Russia is literally the exact same story as Clinton and her emails or Benghazi. Nothing is going to come of any of it, the people whining about it sound pathetically desperate, just honestly shut up about all of it. There's enough policy reasons to justify hating both of them, stop riding the scandals. If anything, it just makes the other side tune you out when you bring up other valid criticism
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Zeus posted...

It's continuing despite having no substance, which is something any president would complain about. And when there's nothing to be found, you can search indefinitely. A hundred years later they could still be going at it.

What is it like to just tell blatant lies?

Phantom_Nook posted...

Zeus posted...

It's continuing despite having no substance

yes, that's how you get 19 indictments, 4 arrests and 3 guilty pleas. by having no substance.

...none of which have anything to do with supposed collusion.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Zeus posted...

It's continuing despite having no substance, which is something any president would complain about. And when there's nothing to be found, you can search indefinitely. A hundred years later they could still be going at it.

What is it like to just tell blatant lies?

I don't know, how about you tell me?
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Democrats don't stand for anything.

They vote with most of his policies. They're Republican lite. What are they going to talk about? Poverty? Infastructure? No, they're going to whine about Stormy Daniels and Russia some more. They actually believe they can win the midterms with Story Daniels.

I don't even know why they had to come up with the Russia thing when it was clearly the electoral college that stole it.
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Yellow posted...

They vote with most of his policies.

Parties don't need to disagree on most policies. If there was a proposed law about not drowning children, both parties should vote unanimously. And a lot of other laws both parties like the general direction but disagree with the extent, such as social welfare programs (since Democrats will often take *anything* rather than hold out and get nothing -- especially since voting down a welfare policy looks terrible for Democrats).

Yellow posted...

I don't even know why they had to come up with the Russia thing when it was clearly the electoral college that stole it.

It's not "stealing" when that's literally how the system is supposed to work. If I go into a store, pick up an item, pay the clerk the price he asks, and then leave, I didn't steal that item.
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Yellow posted...

Democrats don't stand for anything.

They vote with most of his policies. They're Republican lite. What are they going to talk about? Poverty? Infastructure? No, they're going to whine about Stormy Daniels and Russia some more. They actually believe they can win the midterms with Story Daniels.

I don't even know why they had to come up with the Russia thing when it was clearly the electoral college that stole it.

Both parties are broken. The Democrats have only themselves to blame in losing the election. The party repeatedly shot themselves in the foot. For example, they blatantly backed Hillary in the primaries, an already unpopular candidate, making the primaries effectively pointless. This happened to piss off quite a number of people who would've voted Democrat
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There is not really a lot for the Democrats and Republicans to do until Trump is gone one way or another, as he's essentially a wrench jammed in the gears of the government that prevent every other politician from doing what they want.

Which I'm not saying is a problem, the government in a standstill is better than the government being freely corrupt in my opinion.

But it's why the establishment won't drop it, they want Trump out ASAP, they can't get anything done while he's there.

Prosecuting Hillary is impossible because allowing her to be prosecuted is opening the floodgates to the prosecution of lots of other powerful politicians, so that'll never happen.
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nom_noms posted...

Yellow posted...

Democrats don't stand for anything.

They vote with most of his policies. They're Republican lite. What are they going to talk about? Poverty? Infastructure? No, they're going to whine about Stormy Daniels and Russia some more. They actually believe they can win the midterms with Story Daniels.

I don't even know why they had to come up with the Russia thing when it was clearly the electoral college that stole it.

Both parties are broken. The Democrats have only themselves to blame in losing the election. The party repeatedly shot themselves in the foot. For example, they blatantly backed Hillary in the primaries, an already unpopular candidate, making the primaries effectively pointless. This happened to piss off quite a number of people who would've voted Democrat

The weird thing about that is, while Hillary may have had some baggage, she *was* a really strong candidate on paper. And she had reasonable good approval ratings during her SoS stint which, despite her disastrous Middle East policy, had relatively little blowback (basically just Benghazi, which was a complete intelligence failure that exposed her cronyism and ineptitude but, for the most part, was used more as a political tool by the end)

And, if I'm being perfectly honest, I kinda feel that party leadership *should* pick the candidate to represent them. Even if they don't pick the most widely-liked candidate (which is often the wrong candidate), they won't go with somebody who will alienate the majority of the base (and no, Hillary wasn't *that* polarizing)
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Zeus posted...

Parties don't need to disagree on most policies. If there was a proposed law about not drowning children, both parties should vote unanimously. And a lot of other laws both parties like the general direction but disagree with the extent, such as social welfare programs (since Democrats will often take *anything* rather than hold out and get nothing -- especially since voting down a welfare policy looks terrible for Democrats).

The things they tend to agree on are demonstrably the worst of both worlds.

Like supporting Saudi Arabia's genocide in Yemen, deregulating wallstreet...
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The whole thing is an embarrassment. There needs to be a mulligan on some level so that new things can grow while outdated things die off. The two-party system is "the root of all evil" in this instance, as it is why everything has devolved into "us versus them" with all possible issues. Nobody cares about getting things done, they're in it to get rich and spite the other guy in the process.
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WastelandCowboy posted...

There's no use in crying over spilled milk. Just wipe it up and move on.

And thus, my plan to build a massive orbital death laser and just burn everything down with thermonuclear fire just keeps looking more and more like the best possible option.

The time is almost ripe for me to run a Kickstarter campaign to fund its construction!


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TheCyborgNinja posted...

The two-party system is "the root of all evil" in this instance, as it is why everything has devolved into "us versus them" with all possible issues. Nobody cares about getting things done, they're in it to get rich and spite the other guy in the process.

While none of that is necessarily untrue (and it runs in tandem with other problems like "career politician" being a thing, which forces politicians into behaviors that preserve their jobs rather than benefit their constituents), the real problem is less any of that, and more a voter-base that effectively enables that system because far too many people vote with their hearts and not their heads, and possess the attention span of goldfish.

The digital age has funneled more pure data to individuals than entirety of human history, and yet we're more ignorant than ever.

If voters were actually the informed voter-base they're supposed to be, and more willing to punish politicians for making political or self-serving decisions, the political system wouldn't have become the bureaucratic monolith that it currently is. But "bread and circuses" is just as effective as it was in ancient Rome (if not more so, with the advent of television and Internet to effectively provide better bread and circuses than ever before).

It's also a strong reason why most Internet-motivated attempts as grass-roots reform are doomed to failure (or far worse), because most of the people involved in them are still just as ignorant and ill-informed as ever.

It's hard to actually provide a solution to that problem, though. Humans in general don't seem to like thinking in abstract terms, and are far too willing to abstain all responsibility when simple answers aren't available. And short of establishing widespread systemic organizational and consequential thinking classes in every public school, I'm not sure how you'd ever get around that. Especially in an environment where most people are perfectly content to demand constant resources, support, and benefits from government without having the sense of personal duty or civic responsibility that would be necessary to keep that government running efficiently and effectively.

No matter how much we all love to complain about the government, it's generally a hell of our own making. And anything we could ever hope to replace it with would almost certainly be equally terrible, because at the heart of the matter, WE are the root cause of the problem. Every social/economic/political/religious/ideological/etc system we create is inherently flawed and open to corruption, because WE are inherently flawed and corrupt.


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