Poll of the Day > My take on school shootings. This is a wall of text.

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BTB
03/25/18 10:34:13 PM
#51:


Mead posted...
BTB posted...
http://btb2.free.fr/index.html#post032118


Ugh it was bad enough when you made a topic about this


Yes, but I'm not incorrect.
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SunWuKung420
03/25/18 11:05:24 PM
#52:


@Mead posted...
I do not.


Really, some of your recent posts suggest otherwise.

If I'm wrong, I apologize. I want a world where we are better to each other.
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JTekashiro
03/25/18 11:15:05 PM
#53:


Smarkil posted...
Mead posted...
How many school shooting happened before weapons manufacturers started selling wholesale semi-automatic weapons to every tom dick and Harry that wanted one?


Guns are less obtainable now than they were 50 or 100 years ago. There have been a number of gun control acts since then. School shootings only became 'in vogue' in the past 20 years or so, pretty much since Columbine.

The gun control act of 1968 and the brady act were some of the bigger points of gun control and all this school shooting shit has came well after.


By "less obtainable" do you mean people were more poor and the distribution networks were not as strong? Because the actual legal barriers to gun ownership 50-100 years ago were pretty loose, to say the least.

It is comical to watch you Americans act like access to guns isn't a part of your gun problem. You do realize that mass shootings are a predominantly American issue, right? If you consider mass shootings at schools, perpetrated by students, it is almost exclusively an American issue. Heck, even the suicide stat highlights how easy it is for mentally ill Americans to have access to a firearm.
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SunWuKung420
03/25/18 11:19:41 PM
#54:


JTekashiro posted...
It is comical to watch you Americans act like access to guns isn't a part of your gun problem. You do realize that mass shootings are a predominantly American issue, right? If you consider mass shootings at schools, perpetrated by students, it is almost exclusively an American issue. Heck, even the suicide stat highlights how easy it is for mentally ill Americans to have access to a firearm.


It isn't a gun issue. It's a using "violence as a solution" problem. No matter the tool, this problem affects the world.
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Mead
03/25/18 11:24:11 PM
#55:


SunWuKung420 posted...
@Mead posted...
I do not.


Really, some of your recent posts suggest otherwise.

If I'm wrong, I apologize. I want a world where we are better to each other.


We all do. But we arent gonna get it. The world is full of pain and pain brings out anger. Theres no changing that.

We have to live in reality. The only way to get a bully to stop is to have someone tougher than them make them realize there will be consequences if they dont.
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SunWuKung420
03/25/18 11:30:20 PM
#56:


Mead posted...
The only way to get a bully to stop is to have someone tougher than them make them realize there will be consequences if they dont.


No. Show the bullies that working together is best.

Mead posted...
The world is full of pain and pain brings out anger. Theres no changing that.


Pain is telling us to not do that. There's been enough pain from hurting each other mindlessly. I know better than that, as do you, as should all of us. The belief that we can not be completely good to each other at all times is the only thing holding us back. We can all have it all but only if we understand, that we all need to want everyone to have it all, peacefully.
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Mead
03/25/18 11:41:38 PM
#57:


SunWuKung420 posted...
Mead posted...
The only way to get a bully to stop is to have someone tougher than them make them realize there will be consequences if they dont.


No. Show the bullies that working together is best.

Mead posted...
The world is full of pain and pain brings out anger. Theres no changing that.


Pain is telling us to not do that. There's been enough pain from hurting each other mindlessly. I know better than that, as do you, as should all of us. The belief that we can not be completely good to each other at all times is the only thing holding us back. We can all have it all but only if we understand, that we all need to want everyone to have it all, peacefully.


That aint the real world jack
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Cacciato
03/25/18 11:47:35 PM
#58:


SkynyrdRocker posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
SkynyrdRocker posted...
helIy posted...
shut the fuck up sunny

Mead posted...
Sunny I completely disregard you, because I consider your outlook ridiculous and embarrassing for a man of your advanced years


This is the same attitude that turns the bullied into the shooter.

Fuck. You guys are the problem. Be a solution.

helIy posted...
shut the fuck up sunny

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SunWuKung420
03/25/18 11:48:46 PM
#59:


Mead posted...
That aint the real world jack


You and many keep saying this.

We are the real world. All our interactions create our existence.

What is the real world?

A place we control or a place controlled by a force other than us?

So what! I'm going to decide to be the best person I can be to everyone. From the stranger passing me aggressively on the freeway, to the older person I can help stowing groceries.

My life isn't just about me.
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Mead
03/25/18 11:51:08 PM
#60:


SunWuKung420 posted...
So what! I'm going to decide to be the best person I can be to everyone.


Good. Everyone should do that, and seriously the more that do the better off we will all be.

But a smart person hopes for the best and prepares for the worst. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
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dancer62
03/26/18 12:12:34 AM
#61:


SunWuKung420 posted...
Mead posted...
No solution will be effective until manufacturers stop producing and selling so many firearms. No nation needs more guns than people.


Guns are not the issue! Please stop with this flawed rhetoric.

History shows us that Prohibition did not solve alcoholism, but it did create huge profits for criminals.

The "War On Drugs" has not solved drug abuse, but has created huge profits to fund gang warfare.

On the other hand, we can be sure that the news media glorifying school shootings and making celebrities out of the shooters most certainly inspires the handful of bitter, angry, disturbed, estranged students in each school to consider copycat behavior, hey?

It's much more fun to blame guns, blame the police, blame video games.
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Lil69Leo
03/26/18 12:27:59 AM
#62:


How about a focus on proper gun control and mental health for your citizens. Nah we need to build more jets and tanks that sit in the desert that the commanders don't even want.
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Lil69Leo
03/26/18 12:28:28 AM
#63:


dancer62 posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
Mead posted...
No solution will be effective until manufacturers stop producing and selling so many firearms. No nation needs more guns than people.


Guns are not the issue! Please stop with this flawed rhetoric.

History shows us that Prohibition did not solve alcoholism, but it did create huge profits for criminals.

The "War On Drugs" has not solved drug abuse, but has created huge profits to fund gang warfare.

On the other hand, we can be sure that the news media glorifying school shootings and making celebrities out of the shooters most certainly inspires the handful of bitter, angry, disturbed, estranged students in each school to consider copycat behavior, hey?

It's much more fun to blame guns, blame the police, blame video games.


Seen this crap argument before. Seems to work just fine in every other civilised country.
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helIy
03/26/18 12:38:18 AM
#64:


Lil69Leo posted...
Seen this crap argument before. Seems to work just fine in every other civilised country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copycat_crime

The copycat effect is the tendency of sensational publicity about violent murders or suicides to result in more of the same through imitation


it's legitimately a valid argument.
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Mead
03/26/18 12:38:19 AM
#65:


Conservatives always harp about common sense legislation but when it comes to gun laws they always have five rounds of mental gymnastics ready to explain why we need even more guns on the streets and that they are in no way being influenced by the money theyre getting from the NRA and gun lobbyists.
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SunWuKung420
03/26/18 11:15:58 AM
#66:


Bump because guns are not the issue.
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Babbit55
03/26/18 11:37:18 AM
#67:


If only pretty much every bit of scientific, and actual historic results didn't complete obliterate this argument....

Everywhere that had access the guns, that then heavily restricted access to said guns, saw an initial jump, then a massive drop off and continued drop of gun related violence and deaths.
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TheSlinja
03/26/18 12:03:56 PM
#68:


itd be great if we didnt live in a world where hate and sadness constantly drove people to violence, but we do and always have, this is a problem we cant fix right now and may never fix, what we can do is limit the damage these people can do
its sad but if you think everyone being nice to people is the solution, id sure as hell like to hear how you plan to implement it, untill then your idea does as much good as thoughts and prayers
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OhhhJa
03/26/18 12:15:03 PM
#69:


Media attention is the main culprit. You want these mass shootings to stop happening, the media has to stop making these dickheads famous
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Jen0125
03/26/18 12:15:28 PM
#70:


OhhhJa posted...
Media attention is the main culprit. You want these mass shootings to stop happening, the media has to stop making these dickheads famous


oh yeah that's definitely the main culprit lmao
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SunWuKung420
03/26/18 12:25:56 PM
#71:


TheSlinja posted...
id sure as hell like to hear how you plan to implement it,


Being nice to each other doesn't require government intervention or a corporate plan, it's just a personal decision we all need to make and it's not a difficult one.

Basically, you choose to be nice or not. Why you would choose the "or not" is beyond me.
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KRS
03/26/18 12:31:36 PM
#72:


I think more strict guns laws will only have a small effect because it's the culture that's the problem.
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TheSlinja
03/26/18 12:42:18 PM
#73:


SunWuKung420 posted...
TheSlinja posted...
id sure as hell like to hear how you plan to implement it,


Being nice to each other doesn't require government intervention or a corporate plan, it's just a personal decision we all need to make and it's not a difficult one.

Basically, you choose to be nice or not. Why you would choose the "or not" is beyond me.


so me and you are nice to people
some asshole kid at school jerry decides to bully jhonny anyways
what have we fixed
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EvilMegas
03/26/18 12:49:43 PM
#74:


Bullying isn't the problem. If it was you would have more shooters of all different colors.

Stop trying to victimize the fucking shooters.
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Blightzkrieg
03/26/18 1:10:49 PM
#75:


School shootings are just a natural part of life that God intended, like hurricanes and cancer and a broken electoral system. It is the height of arrogance for mankind to attempt to correct it.
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J_Dawg983
03/26/18 1:16:40 PM
#76:


TheSlinja posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
TheSlinja posted...
id sure as hell like to hear how you plan to implement it,


Being nice to each other doesn't require government intervention or a corporate plan, it's just a personal decision we all need to make and it's not a difficult one.

Basically, you choose to be nice or not. Why you would choose the "or not" is beyond me.


so me and you are nice to people
some asshole kid at school jerry decides to bully jhonny anyways
what have we fixed

Help stand up against that bully instead of turning your head and acting ignorant to the situation.
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Jen0125
03/26/18 1:25:15 PM
#77:


SunWuKung420 posted...

Basically, you choose to be nice or not. Why you would choose the "or not" is beyond me.


why do you choose it frequently?
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ferko420
03/26/18 1:26:41 PM
#78:


what more do you'll expect from the generation that was allowed to decided if they wanted to be a boy or a girl in pre-school? this is what happens when you have a nation of pansies who are afraid of their own shadow, next step is boots on the streets to enslave them, cant wait, forced millineal labor will be the ones to build Trumps wall in his 3rd term....
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SunWuKung420
03/26/18 1:30:31 PM
#79:


Jen0125 posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...

Basically, you choose to be nice or not. Why you would choose the "or not" is beyond me.


why do you choose it frequently?


Don't make me report you for harassment.
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OhhhJa
03/26/18 1:38:59 PM
#80:


Jen0125 posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Media attention is the main culprit. You want these mass shootings to stop happening, the media has to stop making these dickheads famous


oh yeah that's definitely the main culprit lmao

Sorry that facts run in the face of your obsession with guns
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Cacciato
03/26/18 1:39:18 PM
#81:


SunWuKung420 posted...
Jen0125 posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...

Basically, you choose to be nice or not. Why you would choose the "or not" is beyond me.


why do you choose it frequently?


Don't make me report you for harassment.

Shut the fuck up sunny
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OhhhJa
03/26/18 1:40:30 PM
#82:


I keep forgetting thoufh that Jen is right. These mass shooting started drastically increasing roughly 10 years when guns finally became available to the public
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Smarkil
03/26/18 1:43:57 PM
#83:


JTekashiro posted...
By "less obtainable" do you mean people were more poor and the distribution networks were not as strong? Because the actual legal barriers to gun ownership 50-100 years ago were pretty loose, to say the least.

It is comical to watch you Americans act like access to guns isn't a part of your gun problem. You do realize that mass shootings are a predominantly American issue, right? If you consider mass shootings at schools, perpetrated by students, it is almost exclusively an American issue. Heck, even the suicide stat highlights how easy it is for mentally ill Americans to have access to a firearm.


You could order virtually any gun you wanted, including automatics, from a magazine and have it come straight to your house 50 years ago. You certainly can't do that now. Part of the aforementioned gun control acts.

Also, I'm not sure why you bring up the suicide stat. The US isn't remotely the highest in suicides. It's somewhere around 48th - under Sweden, Belgium, Japan. Do those countries all have high ownership of guns?

It really doesn't seem like a relevant argument.
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Cacciato
03/26/18 1:51:02 PM
#84:


OhhhJa posted...
I keep forgetting thoufh that Jen is right. These mass shooting started drastically increasing roughly 10 years when guns finally became available to the public

As opposed to the recent invention of mass media in the last couple of years?
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OhhhJa
03/26/18 1:55:12 PM
#85:


Cacciato posted...
OhhhJa posted...
I keep forgetting thoufh that Jen is right. These mass shooting started drastically increasing roughly 10 years when guns finally became available to the public

As opposed to the recent invention of mass media in the last couple of years?

Mass media obviously made a huge transformation with the advent of social media
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Cacciato
03/26/18 2:05:39 PM
#86:


Got it. Its facebook/twitters fault we have mass shootings. Im sure the University of Texas will be glad to hear it.
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SunWuKung420
03/26/18 2:07:03 PM
#87:


Cacciato posted...
Got it. Its facebook/twitters fault we have mass shootings. Im sure the University of Texas will be glad to hear it.


@OhhhJa may be wrong but at least he isn't blaming guns.
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OhhhJa
03/26/18 2:11:37 PM
#88:


I mean, there are studies to back up what I'm saying bit just keep plugging your ears. I'm sure that steep positive correlation between the two is completely coincidental
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Jen0125
03/26/18 2:21:10 PM
#89:


OhhhJa posted...
Jen0125 posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Media attention is the main culprit. You want these mass shootings to stop happening, the media has to stop making these dickheads famous


oh yeah that's definitely the main culprit lmao

Sorry that facts run in the face of your obsession with guns


do you have literally any reputable sources or studies that show MEDIA ATTENTION is the main reason that people commit mass shootings? i'll wait.
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Mead
03/26/18 2:22:18 PM
#90:


If we didnt have the news no one would ever be violent

Where would they even get the idea
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OhhhJa
03/26/18 2:29:21 PM
#91:


Googling the negative effects of social media on mental health is pretty easy. Googling the negative effects of guns on mental health... not so much
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OhhhJa
03/26/18 2:31:42 PM
#92:


It's not for no reason that dozens of top execs for social media corporations are coming out and saying that they won't let their children use social media because of the negative impact it can havr
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TheSlinja
03/26/18 2:32:46 PM
#93:


J_Dawg983 posted...
TheSlinja posted...
SunWuKung420 posted...
TheSlinja posted...
id sure as hell like to hear how you plan to implement it,


Being nice to each other doesn't require government intervention or a corporate plan, it's just a personal decision we all need to make and it's not a difficult one.

Basically, you choose to be nice or not. Why you would choose the "or not" is beyond me.


so me and you are nice to people
some asshole kid at school jerry decides to bully jhonny anyways
what have we fixed

Help stand up against that bully instead of turning your head and acting ignorant to the situation.

What about all the bullies I'm not there to stand up too
this isnt a problem a couple nice guys can solve, it would take a sudden emotional change throughout all of humanity and good luck with that
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TheSlinja
03/26/18 2:35:35 PM
#94:


OhhhJa posted...
It's not for no reason that dozens of top execs for social media corporations are coming out and saying that they won't let their children use social media because of the negative impact it can havr

and I agree that children shouldnt have access to social media but its too late, if some kid asks your child why they aren't on social media and the response is "my mom wont let me" then they get bullied
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SunWuKung420
03/26/18 2:58:24 PM
#95:


TheSlinja posted...
it would take a sudden emotional change throughout all of humanity and good luck with that


I refuse to be a defeatist. We can be better, we must be better, there is no other option.
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Mead
03/26/18 3:08:25 PM
#96:


You cant make people be nice Sunny

Act like a grown up
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SunWuKung420
03/26/18 3:09:25 PM
#97:


Mead posted...
You cant make people be nice Sunny

Act like a grown up


Be nice mead!
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Jen0125
03/26/18 3:10:41 PM
#98:


OhhhJa posted...
Googling the negative effects of social media on mental health is pretty easy. Googling the negative effects of guns on mental health... not so much


so you're changing your statement from "media attention towards mass shootings is one of the main causes of mass shootings" to "social media has a negative effect of mental health."
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Mead
03/26/18 3:14:38 PM
#99:


Everything except guns is why people are getting shot

Just look at these charts
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OhhhJa
03/26/18 3:51:46 PM
#100:


Jen0125 posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Googling the negative effects of social media on mental health is pretty easy. Googling the negative effects of guns on mental health... not so much


so you're changing your statement from "media attention towards mass shootings is one of the main causes of mass shootings" to "social media has a negative effect of mental health."

No I'm expanding on my original point and saying that both the into each other. But critical thinking is hard for people who can only sum up a complex problem like this to, "LOL ban guns."

The copycat effect is real and social media is making mentally deranged narcissists more famous
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