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NeonOctopus
03/24/18 8:28:08 AM
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Saria wanders into the Forest Temple alone before you get there and you never find her. Same with Ruto and Impa
Darunia fights the dragon alone and when you fight the boss, he isn't there...
Nabooru gets zapped by the witches and disappears

When I was a kid, I always assumed all the sages were dead and then their souls became sages after you beat the temple boss >_> Is that what's actually happening?
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apolloooo
03/24/18 8:34:49 AM
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I interpret it the same too.

Maan even as a kid my mind is messed up
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Sunhawk
03/24/18 8:36:20 AM
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That was the implication, I think.
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Dat_Cracka_Jax
03/24/18 8:38:52 AM
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I just recently played through with the assumption that they were dead, but for some reason thought that it didn't quite add up
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Hexagon
03/24/18 8:40:22 AM
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I didn't think that's what happened. Saria said the voices from the temple were calling to her. It would be pretty cruel if the voices were calling her so she would get killed. I interpreted it as them facing their destiny and going into that weird dimension that was triggered when they were in the temple, which is why they couldn't be found. Then they were just waiting for Link to defeat the monster.
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NeonOctopus
03/24/18 8:42:04 AM
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Hexagon posted...
I didn't think that's what happened. Saria said the voices from the temple were calling to her. It would be pretty cruel if the voices were calling her so she would get killed.

I always assumed that was Phantom Ganon luring her in the temple to kill her
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Duncanwii
03/24/18 8:42:26 AM
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All I know is that Noburuu wanted to fuck link.
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NeonOctopus
03/24/18 8:44:15 AM
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Duncanwii posted...
All I know is that Noburuu wanted to fuck link.

They all want to fuck Link

Malon wants to fuck Link
Zelda wants to fuck Link
Ruto wants to fuck Link
Saria wants to fuck Link
Nabooru wants to fuck Link
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Duncanwii
03/24/18 8:47:42 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Duncanwii posted...
All I know is that Noburuu wanted to fuck link.

They all want to fuck Link

Malon wants to fuck Link
Zelda wants to fuck Link
Ruto wants to fuck Link
Saria wants to fuck Link
Nabooru wants to fuck Link

I don't know if the Kokuri are mentally developed enough to want sex. Saria looks 13 but the rest look 10-11.
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KogaSteelfang
03/24/18 8:49:06 AM
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I'm probably just oblivious, but I didn't get that impression. It certainly makes sense though, but I don't like it.
Also in Wind Waker you needed to find new living sages because the old ones were dead. They weren't gone, they just couldn't function as sages in spirit form.
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VerisimiIitude
03/24/18 9:22:29 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Duncanwii posted...
All I know is that Noburuu wanted to fuck link.

They all want to fuck Link

Malon wants to fuck Link
Zelda wants to fuck Link
Ruto wants to fuck Link
Saria wants to fuck Link
Nabooru wants to fuck Link

Darunia wants to fuck Link
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SSBBSB
03/24/18 9:26:03 AM
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A bit morbid, but it makes sense...
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Hexagon
03/24/18 9:33:40 AM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Hexagon posted...
I didn't think that's what happened. Saria said the voices from the temple were calling to her. It would be pretty cruel if the voices were calling her so she would get killed.

I always assumed that was Phantom Ganon luring her in the temple to kill her


How would Phantom Ganon know that Saria is the next Forest Sage? I thought that when she unwittingly became the next Forest Sage she could hear the forest spirits. Same with the other sages, they all felt compelled to go into the the temple once. Also maybe Saria had protection in the forest, but what's stopping the monsters from going to town and killing the other sages? I don't see why they need to lure them into the temple. Also there's no reason to think they have any telepathic abilities.
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ZombiePelican
03/24/18 9:37:26 AM
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Christian RULES
03/24/18 10:42:43 AM
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i think the sages are just messing around via Skype Hologram call, like how in The Last Jedi Luke messed around with Kylo
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tennisdude818
03/24/18 10:56:12 AM
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It seems obvious that Darunia was eaten. But Nabooru just seems to be trapped somewhere. When Ruto says something like "you promised to marry me, but that's impossible now" it sounds like it's because she's dead.
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CapnMuffin
03/24/18 10:58:05 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
It seems obvious that Darunia was eaten. But Nabooru just seems to be trapped somewhere. When Ruto says something like "you promised to marry me, but that's impossible now" it sounds like it's because she's dead.

I took it as they all died and their souls are trapped by the evil of the temple until Link defeats the boss and frees them, allow their spirit to go to the sacred realm.
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NeonOctopus
03/24/18 11:08:24 AM
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Yeah, when Ruto said we can't marry now, I assumed it was cuz she was dead >_>
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tremain07
03/24/18 11:15:49 AM
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Yeah,they dead. Well those versions of them are. The time lime link webt back to has them alive but we all know what happens to that link
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Foppe
03/24/18 11:20:55 AM
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Death is the price they have to pay in order to give Link the powers he need.
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Loghain
03/25/18 4:52:58 PM
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Remember when Ganondorf coughed up blood in an E rated game?
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ZombiePelican
03/25/18 4:55:42 PM
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Loghain posted...
Remember when Ganondorf coughed up blood in an E rated game?

I thought it was changed his blood green after a rerelease
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Cookie Bag
03/25/18 4:57:50 PM
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Seems like "becoming a sage" in the zelda games pretty much means you die...
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Shotgunnova
03/25/18 4:58:20 PM
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Malon is a sage? The hell?
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Sada_Pop
03/25/18 4:59:22 PM
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I never thought about it. Makes perfect sense though.
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Alakazamtrainer
03/25/18 5:00:33 PM
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I think they didn't die but rather were stopped at being awoke as sages, I believe Sheik says that the forest sage is sleeping waiting for link to wake up her powers. I think most of the sages were trapped/held in limbo till link could save them.
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NeonOctopus
03/25/18 5:01:00 PM
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Shotgunnova posted...
Malon is a sage? The hell?

Nah, she just wants Link's Master Sword thrusted into her Pedestal of Time if you know what I mean.
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pegusus123456
03/25/18 7:00:07 PM
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I mean

You see all of them on a mountaintop at the end of OoT.
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Doe
03/25/18 7:06:43 PM
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There's no smoking gun as far as I know but the evidence points that way a lot. But you also have to wonder, if Sage-hood requires death, then why would Ganon order them killed rather than imprisoned? He was a relatively smart antagonist, I feel like he would see through such an obvious oversight.

Sometimes I wonder, is the dialogue more "direct" in the original Japanese? This question about the Sages has been explored before in many places but I've never seen someone claim to have played the game in the original Japanese text
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pegusus123456
03/25/18 7:11:06 PM
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Also, the WW storyline involves you having to find two new sages because Ganondorf murdered the previous two.

And Zelda herself is a sage, but she obviously doesn't die.
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FortuneCookie
03/25/18 7:14:09 PM
#31:


NeonOctopus posted...
Duncanwii posted...
All I know is that Noburuu wanted to fuck link.

They all want to fuck Link

Malon wants to fuck Link
Zelda wants to fuck Link
Ruto wants to fuck Link
Saria wants to fuck Link
Nabooru wants to fuck Link


Epona probably did too.

>_>
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DoctorVader
03/25/18 7:16:29 PM
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They're weren't dead. WW shows dead sages can't do shit.
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NeonOctopus
03/25/18 9:16:50 PM
#33:


pegusus123456 posted...
Also, the WW storyline involves you having to find two new sages because Ganondorf murdered the previous two.

And Zelda herself is a sage, but she obviously doesn't die.

Well look at Twilight Princess. All the sages are spirits there, and Ganondorf still "murdered" one of them >_>

Also, its the Zelda timeline. The continuity is fucked anyway lol
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pegusus123456
03/25/18 9:25:07 PM
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I don't think it's ever confirmed the TP sages are spirits, they might just look weird af.
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NeonOctopus
03/25/18 9:27:49 PM
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itachi15243
03/25/18 9:47:29 PM
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I always assumed this. They might just have their bodies trapped in their respective temples or something though
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Cookie Bag
03/25/18 9:50:57 PM
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I don't think even the creators care about the continuity anymore, didn't they make BoTW 10000 years into the future on purpose just to say "yeah fuck continuity, everything connects eventually in this timeline"?
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AvantgardeAClue
03/25/18 9:52:29 PM
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I always assumed the worst too lol

Especially when Nabooru got zapped right in front of you

God that game was so dark
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Cookie Bag
03/25/18 9:54:52 PM
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I mean... didn't the fact that when you go to the future in OoT and seeing hyrule town destroyed and filled with zombies give away that everyone was fucking dead?
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pegusus123456
03/25/18 10:06:06 PM
#40:


AvantgardeAClue posted...
I always assumed the worst too lol

Especially when Nabooru got zapped right in front of you

God that game was so dark

But she is explicitly brainwashed by Ganondorf's lesbian mothers.
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AvantgardeAClue
03/25/18 10:10:16 PM
#41:


pegusus123456 posted...
AvantgardeAClue posted...
I always assumed the worst too lol

Especially when Nabooru got zapped right in front of you

God that game was so dark

But she is explicitly brainwashed by Ganondorf's lesbian mothers.


Didn't she break free from that shortly before and tried fighting them before getting zapped?

It's been so long since I last played I can't remember
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pegusus123456
03/25/18 10:14:33 PM
#42:


AvantgardeAClue posted...

Didn't she break free from that shortly before and tried fighting them before getting zapped?

It's been so long since I last played I can't remember

"Well, well... Looks like she's back to normal... Koume..."
"She's just a little girl, but she commands a lot of respect among the Gerudo, Kotake..."
"Maybe we should make her work for the great Ganondorf a little while longer! Ho ho ho!"
"Then we should brainwash her again! Hee hee hee!"

They didn't kill her.
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Shuto-uke
03/25/18 10:20:08 PM
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I saw a video about this years ago.

Didn't darunia went to fight volvagia? Of course he died.
Didn't Saria go to the forest temple, where the wolf things were? She must have died too.

I can't remember what happened to the other sages
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Hexagon
03/25/18 10:41:58 PM
#44:


Shuto-uke posted...
I saw a video about this years ago.

Didn't darunia went to fight volvagia? Of course he died.
Didn't Saria go to the forest temple, where the wolf things were? She must have died too.

I can't remember what happened to the other sages


Didn't link go to the temple of time to get the master sword and was kept in that spirit realm for 7 years or something?

Why couldn't the same thing have happened to the sages where they go in and triggered a similar event that caused them to enter the spirit realm, except in their case they can't go back.
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Shuto-uke
03/25/18 10:44:18 PM
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Hexagon posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
I saw a video about this years ago.

Didn't darunia went to fight volvagia? Of course he died.
Didn't Saria go to the forest temple, where the wolf things were? She must have died too.

I can't remember what happened to the other sages


Didn't link go to the temple of time to get the master sword and was kept in that spirit realm for 7 years or something?

Why couldn't the same thing have happened to the sages where they go in and triggered a similar event that caused them to enter the spirit realm, except in their case they can't go back.


I agree with you on that. It's only that I recall that whatever they did right before they became sages sounded like it was likely they died, e.g. Darunia going to fight volvagia
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Punctus_Pilot
03/25/18 10:49:36 PM
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I was always in the camp that they just went to the sacred realm and didn't die, but BotW's champions and their similarities to the sages does make me consider it more strongly.

You also have to keep in mind that the OoT sages have descendants, notably in ALBW. True, they could have children before becoming sages and dying, but Ruto was saving herself for Link so I doubt that's the case.
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pegusus123456
03/25/18 10:57:21 PM
#47:


Ya'll

Come on now

pegusus123456 posted...
You see all of them on a mountaintop at the end of OoT.

pegusus123456 posted...
Also, the WW storyline involves you having to find two new sages because Ganondorf murdered the previous two.

And Zelda herself is a sage, but she obviously doesn't die.

pegusus123456 posted...

"Well, well... Looks like she's back to normal... Koume..."
"She's just a little girl, but she commands a lot of respect among the Gerudo, Kotake..."
"Maybe we should make her work for the great Ganondorf a little while longer! Ho ho ho!"
"Then we should brainwash her again! Hee hee hee!"

They didn't kill her.

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NeonOctopus
03/25/18 11:26:26 PM
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Punctus_Pilot posted...
You also have to keep in mind that the OoT sages have descendants, notably in ALBW. True, they could have children before becoming sages and dying, but Ruto was saving herself for Link so I doubt that's the case.

Well fish reproduce by laying eggs and having the males basically deed onto those eggs to fertilize them in the nest.

Maybe Ruto already laid her eggs somewhere and Link passed by and happened to do a quick deed on them and fertilized her descendants. idk >_>
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Doe
03/25/18 11:39:15 PM
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Punctus_Pilot posted...
I was always in the camp that they just went to the sacred realm and didn't die, but BotW's champions and their similarities to the sages does make me consider it more strongly.

You also have to keep in mind that the OoT sages have descendants, notably in ALBW. True, they could have children before becoming sages and dying, but Ruto was saving herself for Link so I doubt that's the case.

How does the timelines in OoT work?

Is there a 'remaining' timeline after Adult Link fixes shit in the future as the well as the neo timeline where they pre-emptively stop ganondorf? If so which does ALBW stem from?
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Punctus_Pilot
03/25/18 11:46:47 PM
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Doe posted...
Punctus_Pilot posted...
I was always in the camp that they just went to the sacred realm and didn't die, but BotW's champions and their similarities to the sages does make me consider it more strongly.

You also have to keep in mind that the OoT sages have descendants, notably in ALBW. True, they could have children before becoming sages and dying, but Ruto was saving herself for Link so I doubt that's the case.

How does the timelines in OoT work?

Is there a 'remaining' timeline after Adult Link fixes shit in the future as the well as the neo timeline where they pre-emptively stop ganondorf? If so which does ALBW stem from?

The third one. OoT goes exactly the same until the final battle with Ganondorf. Then Link dies and some other shit happens.
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